Problems in Moylaragh, Balbriggan

Moylaragh

There is no maintence of the Moylaragh estate since last year.

The landscaping is non existant and the place is becomming over run with long grass which people are starting to dump rubbish in.

I want the area sorted. Included in the price of the house was the maintance of the area.

Fingal have told me the area is still owned by Newlyn developers and it is their job to look after it.

The person in particular is Kevin Barnes - Ph: 4264777. Who is always "unavailable/on another call etc. The also will not give out his direct line.

I am so frustrated about this. I have a child and want it to be a nice place to live but the area has gone to sh!t!!

I am looking for other people who are concerned about the area to contact the developers, namely Mr. Kevin Barnes and our local TD's to sort this problem out. Nobody will do this for us!!!

You can contact me through boards or moylaraghresidentsbalbriggan@gmail.com.

Thank you.

Moonbeam

Put pressure on your management company too

Martron

we are nearly waiting 3 years in rush.

our situation is more awkward because seemingly the "builder" is broke and never paid some fee.

so i think we are in a long queue to get sorted. Palmer avenue recently got tarred so i dont know how long they are waiting.

Martron

and i have contacted local politicians and fingal.

fingal give you the usual its in the process. which is fair enough but the local politicians never reply to emails or phone calls. but they may have bigger fish to fry

Moylaragh

Oh God seems like we are all in the same boat.

I got trough finally to Kevin Barnes and in the most condesending way told me it is the RESIDENTS responsibily to keep their own area maintained! I told him the area in question - on my street - is across a road and a normal lawn mower couldn't do it. He gave me the whole "not him problem."

So again I contacted Fingal who told me Newlyn building contracters and others like them are trying to skirk their responsibities in the Fingal area. Newlyn which is a Blackrock company owe Fingal money and Fingal as of yet have not taken contol of the area.

Also apparently Fingal (according to Kevin Barnes) wont cut walk way areas!!! So I asked what the long term plan was for the upkeep of the area. He said there is and was no plan.. GREAT!

Fingal parks division are to get back to me.. so are the local TD's namely FF's Michael Kennedy.

But seriously what can be done here!!!???

I am so fed up!

WacoKid

All this is a result of greedy builders. You can forget them sinking any money into the estates where they are not contractually abliged to.

It will continue like this until the government steps in and instructs the councils to maintain all areas. Will that happen?

My situation is that I pay my taxes for the estate beside me to be upkept by the council. My estate however is run by a managment company so i have to pay again ,after tax, for the same services. And at present they have withdrawn so the estate is a mess. :mad:

Moylaragh

I just dont know how they can get away with this.

I spoke with the neighbours today and they mentioned renting a ride on lawn mower to do our own patch!! I am all for it. But we shouldnt have to!!!!

Even if we do it, as wacokid said - the whole estate is a mess.

Fingal are caught in the middle. The lady from the planning dept. told me today that they are forever having to tell people that Fingal is not respsonsible for the upkeep of their area. To go back to the developer....

A friend visited she asked was there rats in the high grass! There is a farm behind us and with the state of it you wouldn't f!cking know at this stage.

I tell ya, its not what I dreamed of when I imagined owning my own house.

Where to go from here???

Martron

we seem to be alittle ahead in the case that the builder is bankrupt. i have to say that theat lad in fingal is friendly and mannerly but she can do nothing. its down to the politicians now.

the problem we have is that we have no working street lights or finished road. place is a disgrace.

all our requests falling on deaf ears. it actually gets me down lookin at it becasue i paid so much for the house and still am!!!!

Moylaragh

No lights? Matron what a nightmare!

As you said completly falling on deaf ears. What is most frustrating is that I seem to be getting no where with it.

Emailed/phoned TD's, Council etc.. who informed me they got similar calls from other residents in Moylaragh. But nothing has been done!

As you said still paying a fortune for the house and now that its worth less than half what we paid for it.. we are stuck here. So I am trying to make the best of the neighbourhood.

I think I am just going to have to do the hardwork and knock on a few doors in the area and see if we can all do something about it.

Martron

yeah its getting shabby looking alright. i have emailed td and local coco no replies.

i am fed up of stuff not happening in this country. i had come to term with waiting for the grass and lights. but you just reopened a can of worms

williamsjos

This wouldn’t surprise me I have caught 2 in my back garden i the past few months and a few neighbors have reported seen some around the area. Also there was one living under the decking of a neighbors house. We live near the back of the Moylaragh Estate. But I put this down to all the building work being carried out around the area. I phoned the HSE and they said they would send someone out to put poison down left the side gate open and they said they were on their way but never arrived. Ended up buying some good traps.

LeoB

Some estates can take up to 10 years to come under the control of the Council.

I was at a meeting on Thursday night and the word I got from a person in Fingal is that there will be little or no grass cutting this summer. Walkways will be maintained but thats it. Remember having this chat here before and posting the picture below of the Avenue which links Kenure to the Upper Main Street in Rush

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A beautiful area just left to grow wild and apart from it not looking very nice it attracts gangs of young people. It was the same last year in most estates around the town. I did see some estates, Tayleurs Pt getting residents out with lawn mowers and they kept it someway in check. Keep hounding the politicans or cut the grass and dump it in the office of the company who should be cutting it.

As for the rats, If you are using poision make sure to put it in a pipe and fix the pipe to the ground if possible so kids cant get at it and keep the pipes well away from houses as some people think the poision actually attracts rats. Finally keep on at the H.S.E about the rats they will act

focus_mad

The developer must have certain criteria filled or completed before the Council will even sniff at it, keep at them to do it. How do the other residents feel about it?

(I could do it for a fee )

LeoB

If any of your neighbours know a farmer with a mower, or a football club you could ask them. After that you might need a few neighbours to get out with mowers. But I agree with focus_mad get everyone to start complaining and if it means going to F.C.C office off ye all go.

focus_mad

Only got a chance to look there now, been up to me eyes with building assignments,

An example of same type of problem in Dublin 15

http://www.joanburton.ie/?postid=882

Another problem over estate handovers;
http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=89525&highlight=county+council

Waterford Council's policy of taking in charge (Just for reference)

http://www.waterfordcity.ie/planning/takingincharge.htm

And finally Fingal County Council's "legislation" on taking in charge of housing estates is attached, apologies for it being 2008 copy.
Particular attention to point 5 and for the checklist that the Council work off.

I have the same problem with the estate i'm living in for the moment in Dundalk, there's still bumps on the road where the man holes are because he developer has yet to finish asphalting the roads!!!!

Martron

just saw on another thread a cool art intallation in balbriggan which was commisioned by fingal co co

i did not want to side track the other thread but surely fingal co co has better things to spend their money on. I have artist friends and from what i can gather art aint cheap........ surely they could have spent that money making more people happy by cutting some grass!!!!!! Art is a luxury as far as i am concerned , so while large parts of fingal is falling apart they are commissioning art!!!!!!!!

*takes a step back and counts to 10.......*

The Hill Billy

Back on topic please folks - ie, Problems in Moylaragh. Thanks.

HB

LeoB

People in Moylaragh and other areas who have open spaces looking like a wilderness need to go to the council offices and shout or they will not be heard.

I do suspect however that if its cut once by F.C.C they will leave it up to residents to maintain it, which I THINK is what the residents in Tayleurs Point done. I have often seen people there out with their mowers doing a block in front of their own houses.

Not saying I am in favour of this but.................

Martron

i cut the small patch outside my house. but domestic lawn movers are not capable for the amount of mowing needed.

even if F co co cut the grass heavy duty gear is needed for the amount of cutting. and not sure why residents should have to maintain public areas. anyway all my shouts falling on deaf years as well as moylarghs i suppose.

LeoB

I am not overly familiar with Moylaragh but I believe its quite a big estate? Residents assoc? Drop a few €uro to a farmer and it will be done thats one solution but people always look for the reasons not to do things like this and I hear the cry of Insurance. As I said before I am not in favour of this but what are the residents of Moylaragh to do?
If a good job is done once it should not be difficult to maintain

If you think back to the hassle we had during the frost and snow and the state of roads and paths we were asked to clean outside our own doors, which I gladly did but it begs the question is this the way we are going, we ALL have to show civic pride and do our duty at this difficult time, Eh "tighten our belts";)

Martron

if it goes down that road then leo ...... where will it stop?

you have to throw a euro into the lampost outside your house to keep it lit?

and will lead to the rise of the dreaded managemnt company!!!

I am not sure about moylaragh. but the main reason i bought my house was that there was no managemnt fee.

civic pride is all well and good . but people cant be expected to cut massive fields.

and i woulf be worried that if Fingal Co Co saw that they got someone in to to it you would be just pushed down the list.

Moylaragh

This is what Michael Kennedy said:

RE: Maintenance/Grass cutting of open spaces

Further to my previous letter, Mr Kevin Barnes of Newlyn Developments has informed that Fingal County Council took Moylaragh Gardens in charge on 13th October 2008 and so therefore Newlyn Developments has no responsibility for the area.
He also stated that grass verges outside people's homes are the responsibility of the homeowner and not the Council to cut the grass. In relation to the hedgerow where rubbish is strewn in front of your house, and the grass open spaces, I am contacting the Council to address these matters and will revert back to you on receipt of the reply.
I trust this clarifies matters for the moment.

Yours Sincerely,
Michael Kennedy, TD

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And this is the letter from Claire Daly:

It's an absoutely disgraceful situation, another consequence of the close relationship between developers, builders and the political establishment. Some parts of Moylaragh have been handed over to the Council some are in the control of the developer and some are under a management company and it depends which one is which. I'm out of the country from early tomorrow for a couple of days, but I would suggest that you would meet up with my colleague Terry Kelleher to identiy which areas are which and see can we start asserting some pressure on those responsible.
All the best,
Clare Daly


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As the others have said, I bought this house because there were no management fees, it was a nice area and I was looking forward to raising my kids here. I now am worried about walking with them down the street because of fear of rats!


I am all for looking after your own patch but there is a ditch across a road with long grass. You would need a chain saw to cut it and a ride on lawn mower!

Fingal have not gotten back on to me .. surprise surprise!!!

I think I am going to have to knock on doors and try form some type of residents assoc. Even then backed up with numbers will anything really be done???

Moylaragh

Just had a thought, as this seems to be a problem affecting people in many areas maybe we could start a facebook petition.

I am new to all this so dont know how to go about it or how to do it.

Any advice on the matter would be great.

Thanks again

Martron

we couild probably start a petition here. post up an email of local politicians and fingal coc oc.

and bombard them with emails .

facebook not sure is a viable option as people just ad groups for the sake of it. and it only takes a few ejits to ruin the validity of that

Moylaragh

FINGAL AREA

Michael Kennedy FF - mjkennedy@eircom.net - 8902277

Clare Daly SP - cdaly@socialistparty.net

James Reilly FG- james.reilly@finegael.ie - 8437014

Brendan Ryan LP brendanryanlabour@gmail.com 6183421

Martron

is this fingal area? will these cover rush?

LeoB

Martron wrote: »

if it goes down that road then leo ...... where will it stop?

you have to throw a euro into the lampost outside your house to keep it lit?
and will lead to the rise of the dreaded managemnt company!!!
am not sure about moylaragh. but the main reason i bought my house was that there was no managemnt fee.
civic pride is all well and good . but people cant be expected to cut massive fields.

and i woulf be worried that if Fingal Co Co saw that they got someone in to to it you would be just pushed down the list.

I dont know where it will stop but I just have a sneaky feeling managment companies will be down the road for most people. Look at the Bin situation and the amount of companies looking for business.

Moylaragh. Keep the pressure on. Michael Kennedy is doing great work around the North Dublin area as is Brendan Ryan. Also a residents assoc is I think a must for all new estates (and old). I dont envy the situation you are in. Get all your neighbours to write individually to Fingal C.C and make sure you keep records. Then invite Fingal Independent out to do a piece on it.

I like the civic duty side of things but I would not expect you to be cutting ditchs or hedgerows which is actually only legal at certain times of the year, neither was I trying to be smart suggesting the group of neighbours with lawnmowers. I sense your frustration and hope you get something done. Good luck

Moylaragh

Matron, yes that includes Rush.

Leo, Thanks for all the info. I think I am going to have to get organised and start talking to the neighbours. Contacting the Fingal newspaper is a great idea also.

It really wouldnt be possible in my area for the residents to undertake the problem alone but I will keep up the presure on the local TD's.

Any more advice welcome..

LeoB

Martron wrote: »

is this fingal area? will these cover rush?

Yes. If you go into the community centre they will have a list of clinic times for each local politican. Darragh OBrien is Friday afternoon.

Martron

poor ol darragh might be getting a visit on friday

rpurfield

count yourselves lucky in a way im out in stamullen and meath have no parks department and our estate has a residents comittee that organise the upkeep but to say the chairman couldnt organise a session in a brewery is an understatement.anyway good luck getting sorted out because lets face it builders are getting away with murder over their commitments to estates

Moylaragh

Well I think it is important that people post what the political responses they get to the situation to give us an overall view of opinion on these matters.

Like I said, I am still waiting on Fingal but will report back with any info.

Martron

Alan Farrell was on here a while ago i am suprised he did not post something.

Moylaragh

In case he missed us: alan.farrell@fingalcoco.ie

Martron

Wwll i have had an idea i was over on neighbours.ie. similar to this site. i was thinkin i might pop a leaflet into the doors with a link to the site. might actually be a good way of getting to know the neighbours. anyway going to pop up all the links you sent and we can get the ball rolling that way. easier to do in my estate as i only have 30 houses!!

Cypher_sounds

Have to take matters into your own hands these days folks

LaFleur

Hi all...

Has Moylaragh got a management company, or has parts of it been handed over to Fingal Coco?

Also, am i right in thinking that Fingal Coco have responsibility for the huge green site to the front of Moylaragh?

Specifically what areas are you saying needs to be looked after?

Sorry for all the questions, i live in Balbriggan, but not Moylargh.

Moylaragh

Hi,

The huge field in front of Moylaragh is in the hands of Fingal who cut it on a regualr basis.

The apartments in Moylaragh are looked after by a Management Co.

Part of Moylaragh is Fingal and the other part in technically the developer - who is in a dispute with Fingal.

The worst area is when you enter Moylaragh, there is a fence which runs between Westbrook and Moylaragh which is completly overgown. None of the walkway areas have been cut and the area is a disgrace.

Also the developer has told me Fingal wont cut walkway areas.. I am awaiting Fingal's responce on this matter.

Where abouts are you Lafleur?

Moylaragh

martin.sweeney@fingalcoco.ie

This is the person to write to in Fingal Co Co with any concerns relating to the maintence of local areas.

I just wrote to complain about the state of Moylaragh.

LaFleur

Moylaragh wrote: »

Hi,

The huge field in front of Moylaragh is in the hands of Fingal who cut it on a regualr basis.

The apartments in Moylaragh are looked after by a Management Co.

Part of Moylaragh is Fingal and the other part in technically the developer - who is in a dispute with Fingal.

The worst area is when you enter Moylaragh, there is a fence which runs between Westbrook and Moylaragh which is completly overgown. None of the walkway areas have been cut and the area is a disgrace.

Also the developer has told me Fingal wont cut walkway areas.. I am awaiting Fingal's responce on this matter.

Where abouts are you Lafleur?

So i take it that the management company for the apartments just detail with internal matters etc, and not with outside stuff just as walkways and general up keep?

I am guessing that the developer has handed the estate over? In saying that I mean, Fingal County Council will deal with public lighting, footpaths and roads within the estate?

Having previously lived in an estate when the council were responsible, it was usually the residence that looked after the maintenance of the grounds and it's general up keep.

What you need to establish is if the developer actually owns any of the land in the estate, and pressure him to deal with it. In all other areas, the residences themselves should be caring for the area. A residence association should be formed if hasn’t been done so already.

People need to take the finger out and get things done the old fashioned way. Are people who are living in houses in Moylargh paying any fee at all for general up keep?

Martron

LaFleur wrote: »

Having previously lived in an estate when the council were responsible, it was usually the residence that looked after the maintenance of the grounds and it's general up keep.

No way. i lived in estates where there was a lot of public space. are you saying that i get my flymo and start cutting grass fieldS?

i cut the grass outside my house. or as far as my extention lead reaches.

i have always seen tractors cutting areas of football pitches. people cannot be expected to have the capability to care for these grounds.

LeoB

Martron wrote: »

No way. i lived in estates where there was a lot of public space. are you saying that i get my flymo and start cutting grass fieldS?

i cut the grass outside my house. or as far as my extention lead reaches.

i have always seen tractors cutting areas of football pitches. people cannot be expected to have the capability to care for these grounds.

Fingal dont maintain all ground to the same level. I was in Balheary for a walk the other day and the grounds were in great condition for Hurling. St. Catherines pitch was a mess

If there could be some sort of waiver/permit to let clubs cut the pitchs the rent from the council this might mean they have more resources to put into places like Moylaragh and the other neglected open spaces the children cant safely play in. The club I am in own a tractor as we have 3 pitchs at our club house and I think we would share the cutting of grass in St. Catherines if we got a waiver from Fingal. Would also say if a residents assoc approached us for a small fee we would help them also. Again depending on Insurance waiver/permit.

Do ya ever see your man on the T.V cutting Croke Park with a little petrol mower? Off to Cardiff when he had it done. Very fit man

Martron

i not talking about fingal in that previous post. io would imagine there would be insuarance issues and even union trouble out sourcing fingal jobs like that.

anyway. its fine now while the grass is not going. this summer if it a warm one will be crazy

LaFleur

Martron wrote: »

No way. i lived in estates where there was a lot of public space. are you saying that i get my flymo and start cutting grass fieldS?

What fields are you talking about?!? The only big area I know of in that area is either the green site at the start of Moylaragh that runs beside the harry renoylds road, and of course the huge green site that runs along the Moylaragh Road.

Martron wrote: »

i cut the grass outside my house. or as far as my extention lead reaches.

This is the problem with people - they only look after what needs be as far as they are concerned. People need to start looking at their estate as a community - taking the figure out and getting ALL residence together. Who knows, god forbid, ye might even club together to buy a lawnmower that can reach a little bit further then your extension lead reaches at the moment!

Martron

you really are on a bit of a high horse when you say people should club together and buy a lawnmower and i am only lookin after the bit that bthers me.

in fact i have been trying for nearly 2 years to get the grass cut. i dont play football nor do i have kids but there is young families in the estate which i am sure would like the facility to play in short grass.

and as i have said in an earlier post where will it stop if people start cutting these massive grass patches will i have to buy a road paver when the road need resurfacing, a cherry picker when the bulb in the lamp post goes, if drains get blocked i roll up my sleeves and get on with it.......


i pay my taxes so these services are provided. so unless its passed by law that public areas have to be maintained by private individuals i will continue to campaign for the council to cut the grass and god forbid they come out and do THEIR job!!!

God that post really p1ssed me off.

Martron

Do you mind me asking LeFluer what area do you live in? is it maintained?

LeoB

LaFleur wrote: »

This is the problem with people - they only look after what needs be as far as they are concerned. People need to start looking at their estate as a community - taking the figure out and getting ALL residence together. Who knows, god forbid, ye might even club together to buy a lawnmower that can reach a little bit further then your extension lead reaches at the moment!

Jeasus I will pass your post on to An Bord Snip;)

Have to agree with Martron on this. He (Martron) obviously keeps around his house clean and neat. Problem with people like Martron is when neighbours see them doing it they leave them at it. Like most clubs and associations its nearly always left to the same few. "A willing horse is always harnessed".

There is one estate behind wher I live and the managment company maintain it very well. There are a few other where I have seen parents out with mowers cutting out a Tennis Court or a little green for Pitch and putt. What a joke

Martron

the same answer from finagl is that its an ongoing matter.

surely they can realese a schedule of what they are doing. what level estates are at in the hand over process. and a rough time frame. surely its a waste of time and resources for fingal and local politicians answering constant phone calls and emails.

and leo thats exactly what does happen and unfortunatley in an eastate like mine where it is 50/50 rental/owners its hard to maintain a level of maintainance.

and you are dead right too. if the neighbout see you cleaning up ( unless they help) will leave you to it.

i would be afraid though that if fingal came to inspect the place and saw that we had cut the grass ( not that we could) they would consider us less of a priority

LaFleur

Martron wrote: »

and you are dead right too. if the neighbout see you cleaning up ( unless they help) will leave you to it.

i would be afraid though that if fingal came to inspect the place and saw that we had cut the grass ( not that we could) they would consider us less of a priority

God, why are people SOOO friggin lazy. You want something done a certain way - and yet you want other people to do the work (ie fingal coco) Your last comment is so pathetic. You rather your area look sh1te just in case fingal county council do finally take an interest in your estate. You could be waiting a very long time for that to happen.

Look, in this life things are always left to the very few who want to get things done, make change, make their community a better place to live. You will never get 100% participation in anything...and community tidy ups are exactly the same.

I was up there today. I had a drive about. I still can’t see where all these "fields" are?!

Martron

LaFleur wrote: »

God, why are people SOOO friggin lazy. You want something done a certain way - and yet you want other people to do the work (ie fingal coco) Your last comment is so pathetic. You rather your area look sh1te just in case fingal county council do finally take an interest in your estate. You could be waiting a very long time for that to happen.

Look, in this life things are always left to the very few who want to get things done, make change, make their community a better place to live. You will never get 100% participation in anything...and community tidy ups are exactly the same.

I was up there today. I had a drive about. I still can’t see where all these "fields" are?!

you drive up there to find fields but you could hav saved yourself a trip by reading my posts and see i am not from there. i am not lazy. I am only looking for a service that i paid for. If you were paying for electricity and it was never supplied you trying to tell me you would not complain to the esb. . . . . . Oh thats right you would go and buy your own generator and supply the whole town. Give me a break. I look after my own grass and grass i can reach. What is pathetic is the high horse attitude that you seem to have about people having to buy their own machinery to maintain public areas. You need to take a step back and look at what you are saying. Some of if grass patches in fingal are massive. People are not talking about the little strips out side house (which i can seein most cases are maintained). Its this attitude also which is allowing the council to ignore its duties. And for the record i have been waiting a long time for it to be done and i would maintain it myself but i know for one i cant afford the hire of a lawn mower. Besides i can see you are only seeing what you want from my posts and i am not going to entertain your attitude any longer.

The Hill Billy

OK folks - step back from the thread, take a few deep breaths & then get back on topic about Moylaragh.

Thanks,

HB