Renault Megane vs Kia Pro_ceed

Macca3000

So I took the pro_ceed for a test drive today and now I don't know which to go with.

The Megane is better value being €500 cheaper and road tax only €104(Kia is €156) and you have the advantage of the better known brand of Renault.

BUT, the Pro_ceed was a much better drive. Smoother, a lot less noise, more power, better take off and better on bends. And looks much sportier.

It's just it's a Kia! What do you think?

Saab Ed

Macca3000 wrote: »

It's just it's a Kia! What do you think?

Exactly......:D


I think the Kia will really look tired in 3 years time were as the Renault will only be getting into its stride. 10 year old Megane Coupes are still demanding good money today , you cant say that even about a 5 year old Kia

alias no.9

Saab Ed wrote: »

Exactly......:D


I think the Kia will really look tired in 3 years time were as the Renault will only be getting into its stride. 10 year old Megane Coupes are still demanding good money today , you cant say that even about a 5 year old Kia

Not knocking the Megane or anything but a new Kia bears no comparrison with a 10 year old Kia, they're a world apart.

Rafloution

What price are you getting on the Pro_ceed?

These are the old versions they are trying to shift a new one came out this year with bluetooth and trip controls on the steering wheel

Sofiztikated

A friend just got an 09 ceed, and I took it out for a run.

Have to say much more impressed than any Renault I've ever driven. Well spec'ed, smooth drive, nice driving position, 7 year warranty.

Looks wise, its not the most exciting, looks like an older Corolla hatch on the outside, but that's just me. Personally, I'd think hard about the Kia.

Saab Ed

alias no.9 wrote: »

Not knocking the Megane or anything but a new Kia bears no comparrison with a 10 year old Kia, they're a world apart.

True but it always seems that when Hyundai / Kia launch a car that its just on-par with whats out there at that moment, they never really move the game on or have an original idea. Each time a new model comes out they always proclaim to have cutting edge Euro styling and advanced engineering but they really are only coming late to the party with each model.

Just use an Accent for example. Launched in 99 in the small family class segment. Now just compare it today with similar car from the class launched at the same time and see how dated and out classed it really was. Golf, Focus, Astra, were all new products at the same time never mind tiring models at the time like the MK I Megane, 306 or Corolla which were as good if not better.

Move forward to 2002 with a Hyundai Getz. Celebrated at the time for being so Euro in design yet just look at what was launched in and around the same time. Fiesta, Jazz, Polo not to mention cars that were much older by the time it was launched like the Yaris, 206, Punto etc. All 6 of the above would be ahead of the Getz today if you were out looking for a 2002 supermini.

Im sorry but I'll never be convinced till the Koreans make a really good car, which im sure they will some day but it hasnt happened yet .

alias no.9

Saab Ed wrote: »

True but it always seems that when Hyundai / Kia launch a car that its just on-par with whats out there at that moment, they never really move the game on or have an original idea. Each time a new model comes out they always proclaim to have cutting edge Euro styling and advanced engineering but they really are only coming late to the party with each model.

Just use an Accent for example. Launched in 99 in the small family class segment. Now just compare it today with similar car from the class launched at the same time and see how dated and out classed it really was. Golf, Focus, Astra, were all new products at the same time never mind tiring models at the time like the MK I Megane, 306 or Corolla which were as good if not better.

Move forward to 2002 with a Hyundai Getz. Celebrated at the time for being so Euro in design yet just look at what was launched in and around the same time. Fiesta, Jazz, Polo not to mention cars that were much older by the time it was launched like the Yaris, 206, Punto etc. All 6 of the above would be ahead of the Getz today if you were out looking for a 2002 supermini.

Im sorry but I'll never be convinced till the Koreans make a really good car, which im sure they will some day but it hasnt happened yet .

The Accent launched in 1999 was never a genuine competitor to the main stream C segment hatches, it was a bit bigger than a supermini for supermini prices. I'm sure the Ceed will compare perfectly well to the Auris in a few years time, that's the target market for it. Not outstanding but does most things very well. For the record, I don't think time will be as kind to the current Rio.

Zonda999

The Cee'd was designed with Europe in mind and it really shows IMO, its even built in Europe btw, in a new plant in Slovakia. i rate it much more than i do the current Auris which i find a horrible car, its not really fair to compare Korean cars from 10 years ago with whats available now, in most cases that is, there are still a few sh*te ones, the Rio comes to mind alright. The Koreans have made huge strides in the last 10 years, compared to the major Japanese manufacturers, who have remained pretty stagnant, in terms of improving quality

Saab Ed

Saab Ed wrote: »

10 year old Megane Coupes are still demanding good money today , you cant say that even about a 5 year old Kia

Ten year old Megane Coupe demanding good money ? Are you on crack

Saab Ed wrote: »

Just use an Accent for example. Launched in 99 in the small family class segment.

Launched in 1995.


I personally think the Kia looks a much better car than the Megane, I wouldn't worry about the badge, if the Renault badge was such a bonus you wouldn't get a new Megane for €500 less than the Kia

Saab Ed

RoverJames wrote: »

Ten year old Megane Coupe demanding good money ? Are you on crack

Sold a 00 one only a couple of weeks ago for 2200 quid. Now thats some money for a 10 year old Renault. They have a huge following. Renaults have had their problems but that generation Megane was a very good car with few problems. Cheap to run, cheap to tax and insure and they still look good.

Saab Ed

Saab Ed wrote: »

Im sorry but I'll never be convinced till the Koreans make a really good car, which im sure they will some day but it hasnt happened yet .

Being 100% serious, have Renault made a really good car to date ? A class leader in reliability, resale value or performance ? Even one that was a serious rival to the class leaders ? No need for the folks who have recently shelled out on a new one to rape me now lads, I'm only asking.

Saab Ed

Saab Ed wrote: »

Sold a 00 one only a couple of weeks ago for 2200 quid. Now thats some money for a 10 year old Renault.

I sold a 1993 Prelude 2.2 (auto non VTEC so basically the worst of the lot) with faded paint and poorly repaired rear arch cancer for €1350 six months ago. €2200 for a 10 year old Coupe is hardly out of the way

Guy:Incognito

RoverJames wrote: »

Being 100% serious, have Renault made a really good car to date ? A class leader in reliability, resale value or performance ? Even one that was a serious rival to the class leaders ? No need for the folks who have recently shelled out on a new one to rape me now lads, I'm only asking.

Why does anyone buy anything ther than the designated class leader?

I preferred the comfort and stylings of Renaults since I picked the Clio in 2000 as my first new car. I've never been let down by one and I dont think they've made a model I activley dislike. No reason for me to look elsewhere.

I very much love the Avantime and am a big fan of the Vel Satis btw.

I was replying to a comment about Kia not making a really good car by asking have Renault I shall never buy the class leaders myself as I don't put my money on the road

Saab Ed

RoverJames wrote: »

Being 100% serious, have Renault made a really good car to date ? A class leader in reliability, resale value or performance ? Even one that was a serious rival to the class leaders ? No need for the folks who have recently shelled out on a new one to rape me now lads, I'm only asking.

Some of the cars from the 80's were dirt like the 9 and 11 not to mention the 21. When the MK II Laguna started giving awful trouble circa 2002 the dealers were calling them the new 21 5's were good as were 4's if basic. The 90's range was bang on ; Clio, 19, MKI Laguna was an outstanding car. Its the 00's cars where it all went wrong. MKII laguna has to be one of the worst cars in history, the list of what didnt go wrong was shorter. 02 onwards Meganes were not far behind as were early MKII Scenics. Clios have always been very reliable through all generations. The current crop are bomb proof, I cant remember the last time we had a MKIII Laguna in the workshop for anything other than a service, they really are that good.

Saab Ed

RoverJames wrote: »

I sold a 1993 Prelude 2.2 (auto non VTEC so basically the worst of the lot) with faded paint and poorly repaired rear arch cancer for €1350 six months ago. €2200 for a 10 year old Coupe is hardly out of the way

In fairness the Prelude cost nearly twice as much new :pac:

Saab Ed

Saab Ed wrote: »

In fairness the Prelude cost nearly twice as much new :pac:

lol, not when I bought it 4 months prior to selling it Also the Lude was 16 not 10

Good to see folk selling cars though, regardless of make or model.

Macca3000

Whichever I go for it will be for the long haul, 7+years anyway. The Pro_ceed best price I could find was in Dundalk dealer 15,700 and in Kells 16,400.
The Megane hatch was in Navan and worked out at 16000.

My budget max is 17k. I'll need a new car at some stage this year but I'm in no immediate rush. That's why the wait for the Megane wouldn't bother me. I really do like the look of the newe Fiesta and for 14500 it comes well witin my range but after 6 years in a fiesta I think it's time to move on.:)

Saab Ed

Macca3000 wrote: »

Whichever I go for it will be for the long haul, 7+years anyway. The Pro_ceed best price I could find was in Dundalk dealer 15,700 and in Kells 16,400.
The Megane hatch was in Navan and worked out at 16000.

My budget max is 17k. I'll need a new car at some stage this year but I'm in no immediate rush. That's why the wait for the Megane wouldn't bother me. I really do like the look of the newe Fiesta and for 14500 it comes well witin my range but after 6 years in a fiesta I think it's time to move on.:)

What are you driving at the moment Macca3000 ?

Macca3000

Macca3000 wrote: »

Whichever I go for it will be for the long haul, 7+years anyway.

Macca3000 wrote: »

BUT, the Pro_ceed was a much better drive. Smoother, a lot less noise, more power, better take off and better on bends. And looks much sportier.

You have already decided The badge won't put you off.

Macca3000

Saab Ed wrote: »

What are you driving at the moment Macca3000 ?

1998 1.3 Fiesta. Just shy of 120000 on the clock. Honestly never had a problem with it. Passed it's last 3 NCT's first time. Just a few sets of tyres, bulbs, wipers, discretionary stuff really, and a battery is all I've had to do to it. I like it to the point of being sentimental

RoverJames wrote: »

You have already decided The badge won't put you off.

But I absolutly want to be certain. It's probably the biggest purchase I will have made in my life so far.

EPM

They'll both probably be reliable and economical. You seem to prefer the drive of the Kia. It's what I'd go for. Driven a 1.6 diesel Proceed a few times and really liked it. Great engine and loads of spec

Jip

RoverJames, didn't you promise to keep out of these threads ? Isn't there another one somewhere that you can go and insult everyone by telling them they're all plastic mechanics etc etc ?

Jip

Jip wrote: »

RoverJames, didn't you promise to keep out of these threads ? Isn't there another one somewhere that you can go and insult everyone by telling them they're all plastic mechanics etc etc ?

I havent insulted anyone, nor have i said anything against the megane in this thread, i find your comment a tad weird. If you have a problem with my posts i suggest you report them and let the mods deal with it, the op clearly prefers the kia, other folk have agreed with him, the only person not doing so i think sells renault for a living. Just because you are buying a megane it doesnt mean folks cant recommend a kia as an alternative.

Regarding the plastic mechanics comment, there are folk on here that post info and advice that is completely incorrect and if followed folks could be at best wasting their time and potentially doing damage.

Regarding your comment in this thread, smells of trolling to be honest.

Jip

Last word on this, you came in here to ask was a poster was he on 'crack', started questioning if Renault ever had made a good really car and commented on the value of the badge, none of which was relevant to what the OP was asking.

I never once made a commented recommending one marque over another so I can't see how you believe I think people can't recommend a Kia. Your comments are really getting tiresome as they're the same thing over and over.

The are you on crack was followed by a smiley and was clearly nothing more than friendly banter, Saab Ed is clearly in the know and interpreted my post in the spirit it was meant, I responded to a comment about the Kia badge by mentioning the Renault badge is no major draw. Also in response to a comment about Kia having never made a reallt good car I asked have Renault, apparently the current range is bombproof, I reckon we'll have to wait a few years to decide on that one. If the Megane is a very good car I find it strange they are so much cheaper than a Golf, Corolla, Focus, C4 and even cars like the i30. There cheaper than everything in their class really and the Focus and Fiesta are still outselling them, why is that

Anyway out of curiousity I had a peak at your recent history on here.....

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055698867

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055757838

I then remembered you mentioned I am insulting and chuckled

What did I say in here that is the same thing over and over, if you don't like my posts don't read them, surely there is an ignore posts function on boards ?

chiefwiggum

we have a 08 pro'ceed 1.6 td..great little car and sporty lookin..you'd be suprised how many second glances it gets....7 YR WARRANTY..how many makers trust their car that much..... only fault i have with it is ...the accl pedal seems to be a little high up for my liking,on long trips i get a sore ankle from the position...we have the top spec and is is well kitted out...lota of back seat room too but have got comments that the ride can be a little harsh in the back...i'd give it the thumbs up though...its a little rocket fot 1.6 td

BronsonTB

We have an 08 pro'ceed. EX model with half leather.....No complaints....easy on fuel/tax/comfy/well spec'd.....
Don't plan on selling it so resale value isn't such a biggy....

Guy:Incognito

chiefwiggum wrote: »

7 YR WARRANTY..how many makers trust their car that much

In the thread about Renault introducing 5 years the Renault detractors were fairly vocal in implying that they need it cos the cars are crap and saying its they only way they can shift cars. Yet for Kia its pushed as the biggest selling point.

Stekelly

Stekelly wrote: »

In the thread about Renault introducing 5 years the Renault detractors were fairly vocal in implying that they need it cos the cars are crap and saying its they only way they can shift cars. Yet for Kia its pushed as the biggest selling point.

Kia don't charge for the warranty and it's from the manufacturer, Renault only give a 3 year warranty. In the UK you can buy an extended warranty for any car, maybe here too. The 5 year warranty is actually the customer paying for an extra two years. When Renault give a 5 year warranty on their cars I'll see it as a good feature. While the buyer has to pay to extend it by two years I see it as an added extra.

Kia give a 7 year warranty, Renault give 3.

The extended warranty is not what is selling the Renaults, its the slash in prices. If the Megane was the price of a Corolla, Golf or Focus they would be selling very very few of them.

Guy:Incognito

RoverJames wrote: »

Kia don't charge for the warranty and it's from the manufacturer, Renault only give a 3 year warranty. In the UK you can buy an extended warranty for any car, maybe here too. The 5 year warranty is actually the customer paying for an extra two years. When Renault give a 5 year warranty on their cars I'll see it as a good feature. While the buyer has to pay to extend it by two years I see it as an added extra.

So if they upped the price of the cars and threw it in, all would be well?

Stekelly

Stekelly wrote: »

So if they upped the price of the cars and threw it in, all would be well?

I think if they upped the price of them they wouldn't sell to be honest.

Guy:Incognito

RoverJames wrote: »

I think if they upped the price of them they wouldn't sell to be honest.

We're only talking €450 or so and I'd say quite a few are driving around with the 5 year warranty now anyway. Thats less than €100 a year.

Stekelly

Stekelly wrote: »

We're only talking €450 or so and I'd say quite a few are driving around with the 5 year warranty now anyway. Thats less than €100 a year.

It's actually €225 or so a year, the first three are free
Only €450 :eek:, that's a fair wad of cash to most folk in the current climate.

It's also only transferrable in a private sale, so the Kia seven year manufacturers warranty is clearly far far better.

Viper_JB

OP might be a case where by if you are having that much trouble chosing between the two that neither are for you, have you considered anything else? 17k buys allot of car, you could get something very special.

Guy:Incognito

RoverJames wrote: »

It's actually €225 or so a year, the first three are free
Only €450 :eek:, that's a fair wad of cash to most folk in the current climate.
.

The Megane was €500 cheaper so the OP would be up €50. Which is nice in the current climate.:)

Stekelly

Stekelly wrote: »

The Megane was €500 cheaper so the OP would be up €50. Which is nice in the current climate.:)

Macca3000 wrote: »

The Pro_ceed best price I could find was in Dundalk dealer 15,700 and in Kells 16,400.
The Megane hatch was in Navan and worked out at 16000.

Megane €300 dearer when he shopped around
Add €450 for the warranty and it's €750 dearer and two years less warranty than the Kia.

Saab Ed

Someone please show me how to get into the terms and conditions of the Kia 7 year warranty, the website seems set up to spin you round and round in circles. No matter what you click it just brings you back to the same page. Someone doesnt want you reading the ins and outs of it!!!

http://www.kiamotors.ie/7yw

Saab Ed

RoverJames wrote: »

Megane €300 dearer when he shopped around
Add €450 for the warranty and it's €750 dearer and two years less warranty than the Kia.

Megane Royale can be bought for €14,500 including scrappage.....

Saab Ed

Saab Ed wrote: »

Someone please show me how to get into the terms and conditions of the Kia 7 year warranty, the website seems set up to spin you round and round in circles. No matter what you click it just brings you back to the same page. Someone doesnt want you reading the ins and outs of it!!!

http://www.kiamotors.ie/7yw

It covers
- Engine
- ECU
- Electric System
- Gear Box
- Bodywork inc anti perforation and glass
- interior trim and upholstery
- suspension including dampers and springs

The warranty is transferrable to subsequent owners, parts and labour are included, warranty covers you when travelling in Europe, it is a full manufacturer's bumper to bumper warranty, the following is not covered.......

"Yes, some items have a natural limited lifetime/durability and are therefore covered for less than 7 years. These are: Paintwork is covered for 5 years, Audio and navigation equipment for 3 years, Service replacement parts, accessories and batteries for 2 years, Normal ‘wear & tear’ on items such as tyres, brake pads and clutch linings, are excluded from cover."

All that is on the site Saab Ed, no one trying to hide anything.

If you PM me your email I can send you on the screenshots

chiefwiggum

try vartry garage in wicklow twn...gave a very good trade in price and was cheaper than kells

R.O.R

Saab Ed wrote: »

Someone please show me how to get into the terms and conditions of the Kia 7 year warranty, the website seems set up to spin you round and round in circles. No matter what you click it just brings you back to the same page. Someone doesnt want you reading the ins and outs of it!!!

http://www.kiamotors.ie/7yw

Last time I had one in here I spent a fascinating 10 minutes reading through the warranty. Can't remember exactly what it said, but remember that it is all standard with no exceptional clauses.

In our experience, it's a lot likelier that you'll have stuff covered under warranty on a Kia than on a Renault - but that's being taken up with Renault directly.

Macca3000

chiefwiggum wrote: »

try vartry garage in wicklow twn...gave a very good trade in price and was cheaper than kells

It's a bit of a drive but sure I have nothing better to do tomorrow.

Ye, I think now I do prefer the Kia. More suited to me anyway, young(ish) single male. 3 door and sporty. And no lump of black plastic on the side. That is one of my biggest peeves with the Megane. Not that I'm a big car lad or anything but while I'm lucky enough to have the means it would be nice to drive something rather nice too.

chiefwiggum

i always found the megane's a womans car to be honest...where you coming from?

Macca3000

chiefwiggum wrote: »

where you coming from?

Oldcastle, Co. Meath.






*or Cavan, depending what side your bread is buttered

chiefwiggum

im from athboy myself but living in county wicklow...easy to get there staright down the m50 and n11 till the road goes down to one lane..you'll see the behive pub on front and just turn left there...about 2 miles down you'll see a big vartry garage sign turn right there and you cant go wrong

Macca3000

Late night reply but worth it. The importance of shopping around. On a whim I went to Kia in Mullingar. The Pro_ceed 1.6 CRDi, Ex version,delivered, metallic for 14895euro!!

That's 805 cheaper than Dundalk and a whopping 1505 cheaper than Kells. Not that I'm going to argue but how can there be such differences in prices over a small regional area?

I think I'v made my choice

EPM

Macca3000 wrote: »

Late night reply but worth it. The importance of shopping around. On a whim I went to Kia in Mullingar. The Pro_ceed 1.6 CRDi, Ex version,delivered, metallic for 14895euro!!

That's 805 cheaper than Dundalk and a whopping 1505 cheaper than Kells. Not that I'm going to argue but how can there be such differences in prices over a small regional area?

I think I'v made my choice

In that case, well wear;)

R.O.R

Macca3000 wrote: »

Late night reply but worth it. The importance of shopping around. On a whim I went to Kia in Mullingar. The Pro_ceed 1.6 CRDi, Ex version,delivered, metallic for 14895euro!!

That's 805 cheaper than Dundalk and a whopping 1505 cheaper than Kells. Not that I'm going to argue but how can there be such differences in prices over a small regional area?

I think I'v made my choice

Kia may have added a bit more available discount to the Pro C'eed range in the last few days, so if you got the other prices early last week it might be worth going back to your local dealer to see if they can improve on the original offer. Even if they don't, that's a very good price for the 1.6 EX diesel.

BronsonTB

Very decent price for a cracking car.....

One little thing to check for me.....on the 2010 model does it have a warning sound if the lights are left on? Thanks about the only complaint I have with them.

Macca3000

Now the only decision is red, white, silver or blue.:)