A pub worse then geoffs/worst place to drink in town

ziedth

Hi all.

Anyone who posts here fairly regularly will know my feelings of the pub geoffs. Neeless to say it's not a Very high regard. Anyway, I never though I would see the day that I would dislike a place with such a passion that I would prefer to have a 24 hour lock in with the tossers who drink in Geoffs......er in Geoffs

then out of the blue comes the Cove bar. Now first of all, the layout and all of the place is grand and the price of drink in there was very reasonable and the staff seemed sound. However, if you were to take what I would conider the worst aspects from a few pubs around town you make up this place.

For example, when ruby lounge is busy most of us know it's a free for all and everyone basically stands wereever they want and it's a nightmare getting to the bar or into the woodman the Cove was just as bad but one third as busy. Then take what can only be described as the worst of scumbag element from the wacky apple coke them off their tits and put them in and finally add the music from geoffs and a few of the pretencious ****s who generally drink there and you have an idea about what unfolded infront of me the weekend.

One amusing story is that of basically a full scale riot broke out with staff and bouncers trying to separate said scumbags and what happens? They tell them not to do it again and not kick out anyone, tension on the place rivaled Belfast in the 80's.

One thing I must say in their defence though is that their were two big matches on the box so that may account for an amount of the messyness.

Anyway, so Sully doesn't move this into ranting and raving where is your least favourate place to drink? Put me down as 1 for the cove bar.

seanybiker

heard the cove is gone rough alright.
Ill vote for geoffs or maybe murphys.

AndyKiely

Really hate Geoffs, it's close between that or Muldoons

bullpost

As a matter of interest whats the age group in Geoffs these days. While since I've drank there but I'd imagine a lot of the crowd who drank there back in the 80's are still there?

marlin vs

Downeses,you'd need a dust mask in there.

baronflyguy

Yeah have been to the cove once or twice. I wasn't impressed.

Maybe you should change the topic to popular pub because there is tons of pubs in the city I wouldn't drink in.

mike65

Isn't it a truism that the average Joe tends to think 99% of pubs are crap and they, and only they know the only decent one for miles?

seanybiker

mike65 wrote: »

Isn't it a truism that the average Joe tends to think 99% of pubs are crap and they, and only they know the only decent one for miles?

I like most pubs. Its only one or two that I dont like.

Adyx

bullpost wrote: »

As a matter of interest whats the age group in Geoffs these days. While since I've drank there but I'd imagine a lot of the crowd who drank there back in the 80's are still there?

I think one of the things about Geoffs is that it attracts people of all ages (apart from maybe pensioners etc). Although I wouldn't be a fan either.

mike65 wrote: »

Isn't it a truism that the average Joe tends to think 99% of pubs are crap and they, and only they know the only decent one for miles?

Yes. I think what it comes down to though is people look for different things from pubs and will stick to pubs that provide them. Some people like busy clubs and the type of music that gets played in Rubys :eek: Some people like live bands or cheesy 80's music and will stick to those types of pubs.

As I work or gig most weekends, I tend to go out early during the week and for that either a band in the Lounge or a quiet pint by the fire in the Woodman can't be beaten in my opinion.

Rainbow_brite

I agree with you about the Cobh it's ok early on in the day for a match but at night reminds me of an episode of hollyoaks... other than Geoffs/Downes the Tap Room/Philly Grimes/Katty Barrys are good spots imo!

deisemum

I just got that de ja vue feeling when I saw this thread title.

On my first visit to Waterford back in 1988 my London born friend and myself were told Geoffs was the place to go in Waterford. It was a shock to the system and not a good one. I didn't like it back then and I still don't.

It's years since I was in the Cove and it was done out like a church.

Daysha

I quite like the Cove, but mainly because it's the closest and the cheapest. The Uluru is one place I'm not fond of though.

Fajitas!

I'd walk for an hour in the rain not to drink in either the Uluru or The Cove. And I have done plenty.

AdMMM

I think the only pub that I don't like drinking in is Ruby Lounge. It's great for bands and I enjoy the music there but coming back from the bar with your pint unscathed is an art in itself and you generally only have two square foot to yourself. Toilets are also an inconvenient distance away seeing as the urge to go often comes about quite suddenly! My experiences in Masons have not been too positive either mostly due to barmen being too busy ****acting about rather than serving.

I've only ever drank in The Cove once and that was after a spot of bowling on a Monday night. It was so quiet that the place couldn't have done anything wrong so I don't really have anything to add.

Trick of the Tail

I still like Geoff's, but less since they installed that new sound system recently.

Until then, the audio was nice quality, audible but not an imposition. Now, they've replaced the collection of old HiFi speakers (that sounded good) with some 'new' and 'better' installation speakers.

Result? Harsh and un-natural top-end, boomy and annoying sub-bass.

What a terrible mistake.

Couple that with the music now coming from a PC that the staff spend a lot of their time messing about with instead of serving, and the experience is definitely worse.

The music choice has also gone to the dogs. It used to be an eclectic mix of lesser-known stuff, but stayed away from modern dance/house/R&B etc.

Last time in there the music was some modern rubbish. Similar to what I'd expect to hear in Harveys.

Dear, Oh Dear.

Andy.

ziedth

AdMMM wrote: »

I think the only pub that I don't like drinking in is Ruby Lounge. It's great for bands and I enjoy the music there but coming back from the bar with your pint unscathed is an art in itself and you generally only have two square foot to yourself. Toilets are also an inconvenient distance away seeing as the urge to go often comes about quite suddenly! My experiences in Masons have not been too positive either mostly due to barmen being too busy ****acting about rather than serving.

I've only ever drank in The Cove once and that was after a spot of bowling on a Monday night. It was so quiet that the place couldn't have done anything wrong so I don't really have anything to add.

I must say that Ruby Lounge does my head in. Like it isn't much more narrow then some other bars then I have been in but people keep common sense and allow some sort of flow through the place, grrrr :mad: just thinking about it.

merlante

Geoffs is one of the best pubs in Waterford, objectively. Criticism of the pub tends to be along sectarian lines, as in, I hate 'those' sorts of people. It is regularly rated as one of the best pubs in the country. I'd hate to think that people would read a thread like this and bypass class pubs like Geoffs or Downses for some Tweedy kip put together out of a magazine.

Bit of redneck vibe off of these anti-Geoffs threads!

Gadgie

I like Geoff's but it gets too packed at the weekend.

Downes(eseseseses) is best.

ziedth

I make no excuse Merlante in saying that it is 100% "those" sorts of people cause me to not like the place. Call it what you want but that is my opinion.

If you like it there great, good for you! I'm glad you have a pub in town you really like enough to defend. I sadly do not, I tolerate the places I go to.

Downses prob being my fav, (Yes you prob guessed I was going to say it) It's like having Geoffs minus the music and the pretentious assholes that drink in there.

looksee

Just reading this thread, the impression seems to be given that all pubs should be all things to all men (and women) But what is wrong with a pub catering to a specific crowd, and if you don't like it, don't go there. You really don't have to have a vendetta - or even a gripe - about it.

At least it means that all 'those sorts' of people are all in the one place, so you can avoid them.

I agree about the music though, very intrusive, its hard to talk in there now.

I just saw the 'pretentious assholes' remark. I take back the smilie!

ziedth

looksee wrote: »

Just reading this thread, the impression seems to be given that all pubs should be all things to all men (and women) But what is wrong with a pub catering to a specific crowd, and if you don't like it, don't go there. You really don't have to have a vendetta - or even a gripe - about it.

At least it means that all 'those sorts' of people are all in the one place, so you can avoid them.

I agree about the music though, very intrusive, its hard to talk in there now.

But I do avoid it, its only a discussion we're having much like you would in a pub anyway. I'm not a keyboard warrior. IIRC the first thing we did at the first Waterford Beers was to debate Geoffs and if we liked it or not,

Don't take it so personally, If you drink in there there and you like it honestly good for you.

honeybadger

1 ting i rember abouts geoffs is it dont have a deacent sitter for when your having a wet fart day lol

brendansmith

honeybadger wrote: »

1 ting i rember abouts geoffs is it dont have a deacent sitter for when your having a wet fart day lol

HAHAHA not!

robtri

me i like Geoffs....
Never sit inside..... would alsways sit out back under the heaters....
its a good pub.....
nice food during the day as well...

looksee

Ziedth. wrote: »

But I do avoid it, its only a discussion we're having much like you would in a pub anyway. I'm not a keyboard warrior. IIRC the first thing we did at the first Waterford Beers was to debate Geoffs and if we liked it or not,

Don't take it so personally, If you drink in there there and you like it honestly good for you.

Lol, Pot...kettle... 'its only a discussion we're having ' yes, thats what I thought, you are the one with the sig.

Deise Dan

Good to see that pubs in Waterford are getting customers in the door. Everyone has their own opinion of pubs they like and dislike. Pubs and staff change all the time, what might be a great spot during the week can be a night mare at w'ends. Geoff's for decades has been popular haunt by many and will be full come Saturday night. Crowds bring crowds.
In my opinion, staff play an important part in deciding about a pub, how often have you heard 'we'll be half the night getting a pint'. Waterford isn't too bad with door staff either, not like other cities, where they are on an ego trip.
Difficult call as to best pub in Waterford. Every generation will have a different No 1.

merlante

Ziedth. wrote: »

I make no excuse Merlante in saying that it is 100% "those" sorts of people cause me to not like the place. Call it what you want but that is my opinion.

If you like it there great, good for you! I'm glad you have a pub in town you really like enough to defend. I sadly do not, I tolerate the places I go to.

Downses prob being my fav, (Yes you prob guessed I was going to say it) It's like having Geoffs minus the music and the pretentious assholes that drink in there.

Basically, you have to be from Waterford to 'hate' Geoffs. Nobody who comes to Waterford from elsewhere really has a bad thing to say about it. You're entitled to your prejudice but I don't think it's reflective of anything other than small minded parochial mud slinging.

A lot of different people go to Geoffs, there are far too many people that frequent the place for there to be a dominant Geoffs crowd. It's one of a few pubs I go to on a regular basis and none of the people I go there with were aware of this so-called Geoffs crowd, or even the Geoffs hating crowd, before I mentioned a thread off this board to them. To turn on one of the best laid out/designed/best presented/etc. pubs in Waterford because you don't like lads with long hair, or whatever it is, seems fairly childish. But typically Waterford. I swear, if there were two pubs in the whole town, 50% of the population would never set foot in one of them.

abouttobebanned

merlante wrote:

some Tweedy kip put together out of a magazine.

merlante wrote: »

Basically, you have to be from Waterford to 'hate' Geoffs. Nobody who comes to Waterford from elsewhere really has a bad thing to say about it. You're entitled to your prejudice but I don't think it's reflective of anything other than small minded parochial mud slinging.

Indeed.

Yossarian_Lives

I like geoffs and downes, Kazbar (bit pricy tho) Phil Grimes

i supose its all down to what you look for in a pub. i like pubs without the loud music. i dont mind if theres a live band or background music but i hate places like revolution during the nite who blare the **** out, havnt been a while since ive been there so maybe its changed

the cove is gone way down hill, on match days its full of Dunmore road **** who think their in a football firm from north London or somthing, same atmosphere as a Nuremburg rally (nothing against anyone who works their or other people who drink there)

muldoons i have no time for either.

gscully

seanybiker wrote: »

I like most pubs. Its only one or two that I dont like.

Pubs sell beer don't they? What's not to like???

abouttobebanned

I like any pub that makes an effort to look after its customers.

I don't mind geoffs as a bar, I don't particularly mind the clientele...although some of them are a little bit obnoxious and look down their noses at anybody who frequents more "trendy" bars..horses for courses and all that.

What I will say about geoffs thous is...they do SWEET FA for their customers...drink is dear enough...they regularly substitute drinks with cheaper alternatives and generally couldn't give a shi te about their customers...and you know what? The regulars can't get enough of it. So I suppose if you do nothing to entice the customers, and do even less to keep them there (Play ****ty music at loud levels, don't bother to clean toilets, sell cheap drink at expensive prices, put on zero entertainment etc...)..and the customer still pack out your pub and complain about every other place in the town...then I suppose you may as well keep it up.

seanybiker

Im different. I dont really mind the people in geoffs, I just dont like the bar itself. Friendly workers and the majority of people seem grand. Fair enough I havent been there in a few years .
i like quiet places where I can go and sit down without having to push passed people. i rarely go to anywhere in town .

beegirl

I love geoff's, it is without a shadow of a doubt my fave pub in waterford. The thing I like about it is that there's NOT a particular type of person who goes there i.e. it suits all types, so I don't understand the problem the OP has with it?

There are a few pubs I can't stand, like revolution, muldoon's or harvey's because they are all full of the same type of person - really drunk and on the pull. Not to generalise lol That's how it comes across to me anyway!

looksee

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I don't mind geoffs as a bar, I don't particularly mind the clientele...although some of them are a little bit obnoxious and look down their noses at anybody who frequents more "trendy" bars..horses for courses and all that.

I was in Geoffs today (lunchtime) and didn't notice anyone paying even the slightest attention to any other group/person, much less looking down their noses.
I am intrigued though to know how one of these people in Geoffs would know who was in the 'trendy' pubs in order to look down their nose? And would the person in the trendy pub be aware that they were the subject of nose-gazing from Geoffs?

abouttobebanned

I'm sorry, but that post makes no sense to me whatsoever.

DanGlee

Back to the OP, you are spot on about The Cove. A group of us went in a few weeks back, and took one look and turned on our heels! Full of trogladites!

As for Geoffs, I personally like it. I agree with some of the other posts about it, entertainment wise and what the staff do is just crap and the have defo made a balls of it by putting crappy loud music in there (and yes, I've often watched them stand and play with that laptop for aggggeeessss!) Other than that, its a grand bar, early in the evening or weeknight.

There are other bars too I just despise:

Revolution = Full of chavs and kids and Flash is an ignorant cnut!

Masons = See above

Harveys = See above, above

Muldoons = Think its closed = Thank f***!

Woodman = MOST legendary bar in town

Wancky Apple = Kip

Kazbar = Nice for a coffee and bit of futty, full of chavs and trainer wearing nobjockies come 8pm... and god forbid should you want to hear yourself think, let alone talk to your friends or order a drink!!!!

Philly Grimes = Nice bar, defo love visits there.

Downses = Love the way its just not changed in years. Can talk to your friends and beer is nice. Oh and Oktoberfest

Uluru = Grand bar, can get a little busy, but gotta love that DJ with the bere I lolz a lot! haha

I could go on, but its heading out of town from here on, where most bars are a lot quieter!

ziedth

I agree with ya pretty much danglee.

I go to harveys on a sat night and bar the odd good song and nice smoking area I hate it in there,

I'm from the school of thought of a nice quiet pub for a chat then moving onto a slighty less quiet pub for a band.

DanGlee

Ziedth. wrote: »

I agree with ya pretty much danglee.

I go to harveys on a sat night and bar the odd good song and nice smoking area I hate it in there,

I'm from the school of thought of a nice quiet pub for a chat then moving onto a slighty less quiet pub for a band.

Bang On!

I still go to Harveys, but more so because all my friends go. I ALWAYS go under protest. If you ever hear somebody on a Saturday night walking up to Harveys giving out about it, that'll be me, say hi

I'm just over 30 and I'm getting past it now! I love a drink and hell, I still love a good boozing session (although I can't drink for sh*t anymore! ) but I prefer to sit with my friends and talk to them, have a laugh and hear what they have to say! Was in the Uluru on sunday and nobody in there, no music, just a group of us having mighty craic and we could all hear each other and I got to mingle with all the people there (about 10 of us) Normally we in harveys just standing there, looking at each other, because you certainly can't have a conversation!!!
What really gets my goat though, is when people say your boring or getting old because you don't want to go to Harveys/Kazbar/Masons etc, yet the example above happens everytime... you just all stand staring at each other... OH GREAT NIGHT OUT LADS!!! :rolleyes: /sarcasm!

OK, I'm ranting now...

abouttobebanned

Time for the unpopular opinion.

First off...if you don't want to go to a bar/late night venue that plays loud music, then don't go, it really is as simple as that. To be fair lads, you're probably nice lads but you really do sound like boring old farts Late night venues in every county in Ireland and every country in the world...will have loudish music etc... Here's what I think...

You actually don't go out very much and when you do go out on a saturday night you don't know a lot of the songs cause they're aimed at the younger people (the people who are going out pretty much every week...keeping the pubs in business) so that annoys ya...you don't like having to queue at the bar...you don't like bumping passed people...essentially you don't like being crowded. You prefer being at home with your few cans...or being in your local where things are nice and relaxed (but the til is not exactly buzzing with the sound of KA-CHING!!)

No offence to youse...I mean I'm actually with yiz in a way...I haven't been out in waterford on a saturday night in many years...i go out during the week...head out early go to as many bars as i can and head home pretty early. 90% of the time I'm not in the mood to be in a crowded venue (what's a crowded venue btw..haven't seen one in years) so I DON'T GO TO ONE! Bang...how easy was that?! I could have gone somewhere I knew that I'd hate...and then come on here on monday morning and complain about it...but that would be a bit thick cause it would be my own fault for going there in the first place.

Another thing...these people who don't go out a lot and then suddenly venture into a busy bar...inevitably they will complain about how long it took them to get a drink...simply because they're comparing it to their local where the barman can easily serve you between his crossword and serving an old man a pint of guinness.

I have no problem with people commenting on bars in the town...but seriously...when you're just bitching about venues cause you don't like them based on your own criteria that mightily conflicts with how a city centre on a saturday night should look...isn't it a bit silly?

Some people seem to think that unless a venue plays every song that they want to hear, and they're served in record time..then it's a dump. It really is incredible.

abouttobebanned

DanGlee wrote: »

Back to the OP, you are spot on about The Cove. A group of us went in a few weeks back, and took one look and turned on our heels! Full of trogladites!

As for Geoffs, I personally like it. I agree with some of the other posts about it, entertainment wise and what the staff do is just crap and the have defo made a balls of it by putting crappy loud music in there (and yes, I've often watched them stand and play with that laptop for aggggeeessss!) Other than that, its a grand bar, early in the evening or weeknight.

There are other bars too I just despise:

Revolution = Full of chavs and kids and Flash is an ignorant cnut!

Masons = See above

Harveys = See above, above

Muldoons = Think its closed = Thank f***!

Woodman = MOST legendary bar in town

Wancky Apple = Kip

Kazbar = Nice for a coffee and bit of futty, full of chavs and trainer wearing nobjockies come 8pm... and god forbid should you want to hear yourself think, let alone talk to your friends or order a drink!!!!

Philly Grimes = Nice bar, defo love visits there.

Downses = Love the way its just not changed in years. Can talk to your friends and beer is nice. Oh and Oktoberfest

Uluru = Grand bar, can get a little busy, but gotta love that DJ with the bere I lolz a lot! haha

I could go on, but its heading out of town from here on, where most bars are a lot quieter!

I really can't take someone like you seriously, and I dunno how anyone else could either. (Surprised at Ziedith who I thought had a bit more common sense than that)

ziedth

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Time for the unpopular opinion.

First off...if you don't want to go to a bar/late night venue that plays loud music, then don't go, it really is as simple as that. To be fair lads, you're probably nice lads but you really do sound like boring old farts Late night venues in every county in Ireland and every country in the world...will have loudish music etc... Here's what I think...

You actually don't go out very much and when you do go out on a saturday night you don't know a lot of the songs cause they're aimed at the younger people (the people who are going out pretty much every week...keeping the pubs in business) so that annoys ya...you don't like having to queue at the bar...you don't like bumping passed people...essentially you don't like being crowded. You prefer being at home with your few cans...or being in your local where things are nice and relaxed (but the til is not exactly buzzing with the sound of KA-CHING!!)

No offence to youse...I mean I'm actually with yiz in a way...I haven't been out in waterford on a saturday night in many years...i go out during the week...head out early go to as many bars as i can and head home pretty early. 90% of the time I'm not in the mood to be in a crowded venue (what's a crowded venue btw..haven't seen one in years) so I DON'T GO TO ONE! Bang...how easy was that?! I could have gone somewhere I knew that I'd hate...and then come on here on monday morning and complain about it...but that would be a bit thick cause it would be my own fault for going there in the first place.

Another thing...these people who don't go out a lot and then suddenly venture into a busy bar...inevitably they will complain about how long it took them to get a drink...simply because they're comparing it to their local where the barman can easily serve you between his crossword and serving an old man a pint of guinness.

I have no problem with people commenting on bars in the town...but seriously...when you're just bitching about venues cause you don't like them based on your own criteria that mightily conflicts with how a city centre on a saturday night should look...isn't it a bit silly?

Some people seem to think that unless a venue plays every song that they want to hear, and they're served in record time..then it's a dump. It really is incredible.

I am a boring old fart I see what your saying and I can handle crowds if the occasion calls for it (I'm going to vegas for my stag and I don't think they have a Downes type pub there ) If I had my way I woldn't go but guess what it comes down to? Women the girls in the group like harveys and the men in the group like the girls and hense here is the problem. Also, and I have said it before that if there are a couple of single lads in your gang you can't very well bring them off a quiet pub the whole time either.

For me its just I like my friends more then I hate busy pubs.

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I really can't take someone like you seriously, and I dunno how anyone else could either. (Surprised at Ziedith who I thought had a bit more common sense than that)

TBF, even though I wouldn't use exactly the same phrasing he has a point on some of them. The wacky is a kip, Muldoons really went downhill and its these young people i'm so fearful of goto kazbar. I won't goto Revelutions on a persoal note so I can't comment on there.

EDIT: Oh and I just saw now he said about Flash, I do not think that anytime I met him he seemed sound.

DanGlee

Firstly, you don't have to take me seriously, thats your prerogative, but I'm also entitled to "my" opinion of what I think of the bars. I appreciate every bar is different and you need to cater for all peoples tastes and needs!

I'm not an old fart either, I go out most weekends where possible, but like zenith mentioned, I'm in the same boat, we have friends in their early 20s who enjoy certain bars and also some are single and want to pull :P

We compromise, because I know a few of them don't like Geoffs, but we go there early and usually end up in Harveys (I always have to listen to the usual, it was crap in Harveys last night... and I say, why did we go then) and this will be repeated the next time we head out, but it all comes back to the young'en's wanting to stare at the ladies

As for music, I'll have you know I'm well clued up, and am originally from Manchester and spent MANY, MANY....many a weekend in Cream @ Nation and Gatecrasher in Sheffield, I've done my stint of clubs, bars, music, festivals (which I still do) and not bothered by crowds, but like I said, I like to "talk" to my friends and have some craic now, not scream at that at the top of my voice all night!

Oh and as for Flash (maybe I was a little harsh, but...) I've dealt with him a few times and he'll blank you and ignore you (I brought and awful lot of custom to his bars, via a company social club!!!) and also my missus lived in one of his houses and he refused to clear away the previous tennants rubbish, which was about 15+ bin bags of smelly crap that stank up the court yard, which the kitchen went onto... so I have my reasons :mad:

nkay1985

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Time for the unpopular opinion.

First off...if you don't want to go to a bar/late night venue that plays loud music, then don't go, it really is as simple as that. To be fair lads, you're probably nice lads but you really do sound like boring old farts Late night venues in every county in Ireland and every country in the world...will have loudish music etc... Here's what I think...

You actually don't go out very much and when you do go out on a saturday night you don't know a lot of the songs cause they're aimed at the younger people (the people who are going out pretty much every week...keeping the pubs in business) so that annoys ya...you don't like having to queue at the bar...you don't like bumping passed people...essentially you don't like being crowded. You prefer being at home with your few cans...or being in your local where things are nice and relaxed (but the til is not exactly buzzing with the sound of KA-CHING!!)

No offence to youse...I mean I'm actually with yiz in a way...I haven't been out in waterford on a saturday night in many years...i go out during the week...head out early go to as many bars as i can and head home pretty early. 90% of the time I'm not in the mood to be in a crowded venue (what's a crowded venue btw..haven't seen one in years) so I DON'T GO TO ONE! Bang...how easy was that?! I could have gone somewhere I knew that I'd hate...and then come on here on monday morning and complain about it...but that would be a bit thick cause it would be my own fault for going there in the first place.

Another thing...these people who don't go out a lot and then suddenly venture into a busy bar...inevitably they will complain about how long it took them to get a drink...simply because they're comparing it to their local where the barman can easily serve you between his crossword and serving an old man a pint of guinness.

I have no problem with people commenting on bars in the town...but seriously...when you're just bitching about venues cause you don't like them based on your own criteria that mightily conflicts with how a city centre on a saturday night should look...isn't it a bit silly?

Some people seem to think that unless a venue plays every song that they want to hear, and they're served in record time..then it's a dump. It really is incredible.

I'm sorry but that's a lbit ridiculous to be fair.

The bit I highlighted in bold kind of sums up where you're coming form with that whole post so I'll address that. Why would someone judge a venue without applying their own criteria? We can all look at Harvey's and say "it suits a certain crowd" but you are still allowed to have your own personal opinion on it.

It's obvious that the people who post on this forum aren't the crowd that a lot of the late venues are aimed at. But that doesn't make our opinions on the city's nightlife irrelevant. There seems to be a lot of us that agree on the type of late venue we'd like to see. I don't think I'd be overreaching to say that there's a lot of people who end up in places they don't want to go because they don't feel like ending their night at 12 o'clock. They're forced to take their pick of a bad lot of influenced by others within a group (like Ziedth always says).

But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be served in some kind of decent timeframe. You seem to suggest that it's just a fact of life and we should all get on with it. Just because something is a certain way does not mean it's right.

And that's the entire jist of my own little rant here. Just because the city's nightlife is a certain way does not mean it's right and that those of us who feel it isn't right can't express our opinions on it.

Odats

Everybody is going to have a different opinion on pubs in town "Horses for Courses" mentality and as Ziedth said people are often forced with the crowd lack wants to go to Harveys to meet up with her friends you aren't going to tell her to fcuk off are you.
Tbh I'll go to most pubs in town for a pint but woud consider the Tap the local and different pubs are suited for different clientele e.g Revs for the 18-21 market and Harvey's 23 -35. Agree that Muldoons is a kip. Ruby's Lounge cannot expand due to space constraints so will be narrow but do think the atmosphere is good in there when live bands are on.

Heathen

well i gotta say i love Geoffs.. i have drank up and down the country for years (ask robtri) in some of the nicest bars and some of the durtiest bars, and i have never seen any trouble in geoffs or had a bad night in there, i find it a nice relaxing place, and if anyone gets all high and mighty i just laugh them off.. cos thats just them being a dope as apposed to the pub being crap.. the food in the day is good, sometimes the music can be a bit loud for the speakers they have but thats not the end of the world, i have always been treated great by the staff, and will continue to drink there for a long time.. :-)

ziedth

I have to say,

to be fair to geoffs you raise a good point in that I have never seen any trouble in there either.

flutered

nobody has mentioned salls or tom mahers.

abouttobebanned

nkay1985 wrote: »

I'm sorry but that's a lbit ridiculous to be fair.

The bit I highlighted in bold kind of sums up where you're coming form with that whole post so I'll address that. Why would someone judge a venue without applying their own criteria? We can all look at Harvey's and say "it suits a certain crowd" but you are still allowed to have your own personal opinion on it.

It's obvious that the people who post on this forum aren't the crowd that a lot of the late venues are aimed at. But that doesn't make our opinions on the city's nightlife irrelevant. There seems to be a lot of us that agree on the type of late venue we'd like to see. I don't think I'd be overreaching to say that there's a lot of people who end up in places they don't want to go because they don't feel like ending their night at 12 o'clock. They're forced to take their pick of a bad lot of influenced by others within a group (like Ziedth always says).

But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be served in some kind of decent timeframe. You seem to suggest that it's just a fact of life and we should all get on with it. Just because something is a certain way does not mean it's right.

And that's the entire jist of my own little rant here. Just because the city's nightlife is a certain way does not mean it's right and that those of us who feel it isn't right can't express our opinions on it.

Ok, You have misinterpreted my entire post just to suit the reply that you wanted to make.

My point, that you twisted, is that if you hate a place like Harveys...why would you go in there? If the things that you hate about harveys are going to be staring you in the face again, why put yourself through it?

And of course it's not unreasonable to expect to get served in a decent timeframe...but people will have to expect to wait just a little bit longer when there's a bigger crowd that somewhere like Downes.

Everyone is allowed have an opinion on the city centre's night life but they should at least try and be objective with it...I've heard a lot of people bitch about venues in the above posts but I haven't seen a lot of constructive criticism or some recommendations about how things could be improved. And there's no point in saying I don't like the music in harveys...I wish they played more Smiths or Queens of the Stone Age...

nkay1985

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Ok, You have misinterpreted my entire post just to suit the reply that you wanted to make.

My point, that you twisted, is that if you hate a place like Harveys...why would you go in there? If the things that you hate about harveys are going to be staring you in the face again, why put yourself through it?

And of course it's not unreasonable to expect to get served in a decent timeframe...but people will have to expect to wait just a little bit longer when there's a bigger crowd that somewhere like Downes.

Everyone is allowed have an opinion on the city centre's night life but they should at least try and be objective with it...I've heard a lot of people bitch about venues in the above posts but I haven't seen a lot of constructive criticism or some recommendations about how things could be improved. And there's no point in saying I don't like the music in harveys...I wish they played more Smiths or Queens of the Stone Age...

No I don't think I have because this post is basically the same. You ask why put yourself through going to Harvey's if you don't like it there? I already said the people do it because they don't fancy ending their night at 12 o'clock or because their friends want to go there. Like I said, it's a best of a bad bunch scenario for a lot of people.

And the point of an opinion is that it can't be objective. An opinion is the most subjective thing in the world! I said that we can all say how a certain venue suits a certain crowd but that's not our opinion on the venue, that's our opinion on the venue's marketing and business strategies. You can feel that a venue does its business very but still dislike the place.

And why is there no point in saying that the music played somewhere isn't to your taste? You actually go from saying "I haven't seen a lot of constructive criticism or some recommendations about how things could be improved" in one sentence to "And there's no point in saying I don't like the music in harveys" in the very next! Do you not see the disconnect here?

Someone can say "I feel there's no venue in Waterford to suit me. This venue would play slightly alternative, non-chart music, not be too loud, have a big enough bar that you don't have to barge through people to get to it and not blow the ears off you with the volume of the music." And it might be the case that there's not enough of a market for this type of venue or whatever but that doesn't make their opinion that there's no venue for them in Waterford invalid. Surely you see this?

abouttobebanned

I do see this (You angry bastard )

I suppose I'm speaking from a realistic, bar's point of view. Pretend for a second, that you own a busy late bar on a saturday night...how would you run it differently to how the bars at the moment are currently being run?

Rubys tried to launch an over 25s club recently and it died on its arse. People who run bars wil always read comments from someone like yourself and think..."you know...doggonnit...that chap is right...we need to have a bar for people like ourselves...who just want a late drink..be able to hear ourselves and what music we can hear is not boom boom and fuk me nigga this and suck that"

So...they open that bar...and first night...18 girls arrive in on a hen night - can't turn em away...they're going to drink all the high margin products like cocktails and shots. They're straight up to the DJ looking for some latest crap from the charts or girls just wanna have fun. What is the DJ, who's currently playing The Stone Roses, to do? Sorry girls...that's not what we're about in here. "Ok" the girls say..."we're out of here!"

I do think that a lot of bar djs could be a lot more selective with their music though, to try and keep more people happy...but don't underestimate how nasty girls can be if a DJ takes a break from commercial stuff and plays something a little more eclectic. People WILL leave if the DJ tries to get too clever. It's a catch 22 situation for the DJ, and also the bar owner.

Out of curiousity...would anyone (mods or anyone else) object to me starting a thread asking people to take the role of a Bar owner and go into as much detail as possible about what kind of bar they would create?

nkay1985

abouttobebanned wrote: »

I do see this (You angry bastard )

I suppose I'm speaking from a realistic, bar's point of view. Pretend for a second, that you own a busy late bar on a saturday night...how would you run it differently to how the bars at the moment are currently being run?

Rubys tried to launch an over 25s club recently and it died on its arse. People who run bars wil always read comments from someone like yourself and think..."you know...doggonnit...that chap is right...we need to have a bar for people like ourselves...who just want a late drink..be able to hear ourselves and what music we can hear is not boom boom and fuk me nigga this and suck that"

So...they open that bar...and first night...18 girls arrive in on a hen night - can't turn em away...they're going to drink all the high margin products like cocktails and shots. They're straight up to the DJ looking for some latest crap from the charts or girls just wanna have fun. What is the DJ, who's currently playing The Stone Roses, to do? Sorry girls...that's not what we're about in here. "Ok" the girls say..."we're out of here!"

I do think that a lot of bar djs could be a lot more selective with their music though, to try and keep more people happy...but don't underestimate how nasty girls can be if a DJ takes a break from commercial stuff and plays something a little more eclectic. People WILL leave if the DJ tries to get too clever. It's a catch 22 situation for the DJ, and also the bar owner.

Out of curiousity...would anyone (mods or anyone else) object to me starting a thread asking people to take the role of a Bar owner and go into as much detail as possible about what kind of bar they would create?

Sounds to me like we're on the same page so!

I completely understand the business perspective on it and it all makes sense. It's just that I don't think that means people shouldn't let their feelings be known.

While it might not work on a practical business level, it's still nice to hink of the pub you'd open if money wasn't an issue and you didn't have to bend to the will of the masses; if you could set a place up a certain way and not have to dilute it down. The fact is that it's easiest to make money by making somewhere like Ruby's or Harvey's or whatever and at the end of the say, they're businesses and the bottom line is king.