The Undertaker's Streak

JP Liz V1

Should he retire with it or lose it and if so to who?

campo

no way should he lose the streak, give him one more win at mania and then he should bow out

Mitch Connor

the HBK rematch and fued is completely pointless if Taker isn't going to lose to him

paddyismaddy

i wanna see taker reach the 20 - 0

Penn

I'd like to see Taker reach 20-0 too. He wouldn't even have to work for most of the year. Just around Rumble time, either have him select his next victim through promos or vignettes, or have someone challenge him to bring him back. If the streak was at 12 or 13, I'd say let someone beat him, but it's gone on too long now to let it go.

Besides, people say let an un-and-coming star beat him. But seriously, with a list of some of the people Taker has already beaten to keep the streak, for a young star to just come in and beat him I think would be a terrible move, and could do more harm than good to the younger star.

paddyismaddy

orton or edge would have been best to end the streak but now let him retire with it - maybe his match at WM can end no contest

no way should a up and comer take it :mad:

Degag

I'd hate for him to lose the streak. Think he deserves it after staying loyal to the WWE for close to twenty years while most others did not.

Paulegend

Degag_ wrote: »

I'd hate for him to lose the streak. Think he deserves it after staying loyal to the WWE for close to twenty years while most others did not.

HBK stayed loyal also

also HBK worked alot of matches for the sake of the business. even at Mania he worked matches

if anyone should break the streak it HAS to be HBK

Nody

Keep it for the simple reason I don't trust WWE now to utterly and completly drop the ball on what ever upcoming start that would end it.

Drop it to Danielson next year by Submission.:pac:

Paulegend

Deleted User wrote: »

Drop it to Danielson next year by Submission.

o my:rolleyes:

FutureGuy

Whenever Taker retires, he will do so with an undefeated WM streak. He won't be remembered for his title runs, it's the streak that defines him.

No way will Michaels win this one. The only person I thought might break the streak was Orton a few years back.

If WWE decided to end the streak, it would have to be someone that is a certain maineveter for many many years to come. "The man that ended the streak" etc etc.

Rud3Bwoy

as much as i love hbk and taker this is hard,i don't see hbk jobbing twice nor do i see them giving the streak to a well built up guy like HBK,and if this is hbk or takers last run with there streak/career i am happy ill be there to see it.

Rjd2

Cena ending it by submission would be EPIC.

Thinking of the internet reaction alone would be immense and it would be such an iconic and unforgettable moment, it would rival Austin v Rock and Hogan slamming Andre, thats how monumental it would be.

davrho

FutureGuy wrote: »

Whenever Taker retires, he will do so with an undefeated WM streak. He won't be remembered for his title runs, it's the streak that defines him.

When i think about the takers legacy the streak wont matter to me. In fact up to the last 5 years the majority of the streak matches were garbage. That 15 and 0 dvd that came out a few years ago was poor.

My memories of taker will be the story lines. The fall out with Jake the Snake, Yokozuna and the casket, the 2 undertakers and Kane. The Ministry of Darkness and then the American bad ass. I remember Harvey Wippleman trying to find someone to deal with him and many more.

The streak takes away that Taker had some great stoylines through out the years.

Handsome Bob

I second Mitch's sentiments, what's the point of this feud if the Deadman is going to win again? Also, I have heard zero rumours about HBK retiring, you'd think if he was then they'd turn it into a mega storyline ala Ric Flair.

Paulegend

davrho wrote: »

When i think about the takers legacy the streak wont matter to me. In fact up to the last 5 years the majority of the streak matches were garbage. That 15 and 0 dvd that came out a few years ago was poor.

My memories of taker will be the story lines. The fall out with Jake the Snake, Yokozuna and the casket, the 2 undertakers and Kane. The Ministry of Darkness and then the American bad ass. I remember Harvey Wippleman trying to find someone to deal with him and many more.

The streak takes away that Taker had some great stoylines through out the years.

no way. not a chance. im not taking this anymore.


talking sense has no place on these boards

waltersobchak

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I second Mitch's sentiments, what's the point of this feud if the Deadman is going to win again? Also, I have heard zero rumours about HBK retiring, you'd think if he was then they'd turn it into a mega storyline ala Ric Flair.

+1
I cant see them retiring Shawn Michaels on a months notice

Rud3Bwoy

waltersobchak wrote: »

+1
I cant see them retiring Shawn Michaels on a months notice

for all we know it was his decision =/

Paulegend

Rud3Bwoy wrote: »

for all we know it was his decision =/

ok so he decided to just give a months notice so??? and not have a huge drawn out money making retirement

waltersobchak

Rud3Bwoy wrote: »

for all we know it was his decision =/

Believe me whenever HBK plans to hang up his boots WWE will give us longer than a month,

Degag

Paulegend wrote: »

HBK stayed loyal also

also HBK worked alot of matches for the sake of the business. even at Mania he worked matches

if anyone should break the streak it HAS to be HBK

Yep, that's why i said "most":)

Paulegend

im so happy the other HBK lovers are here now

when the heartbreak kid does retire he will get a title run aswell. he will have a big Retirement.

he is after all the Main Event. the Showstopper:cool:

im guessing Taker had his title run recently because he doesnt have long left. he will prob compete again in the next year for the title and finish after Mania 27

Bubs101

LZ5by5 wrote: »

I second Mitch's sentiments, what's the point of this feud if the Deadman is going to win again? Also, I have heard zero rumours about HBK retiring, you'd think if he was then they'd turn it into a mega storyline ala Ric Flair.

He asked to retire two years ago but when Cena got injured they had to bring him back and apparently he's had the WM date pencilled in as his retirement date for a while now

Taker should obviously lose the streak to some young guy next year or the year after that. He's such a big name that he'll be remembered anyway but if he loses the streak someone else will always be remembered in the same breath as him. If Zbysko hadn't have ended Bruno's 8 year run nobody would remember him but because he carved a career as a main eventer out of that one win. WWE could easily do the same again but with the guarantee he'd stay with them

Paulegend

ok one simple question


who else has given so much to the WWE? to the fans? who has worked their ass off for all these years and demanded nothing else in return? who has jobbed big BIG matches for the sake of entertaining us? who deserves more than HBK to be the one who ends the streak??

the answer aint shaft;)

jaykhunter

I think a young wrestler that the WWE has complete faith in (i.e. will headline the company when the current crop is gone) should break the streak.

What happens when Taker retires with the streak intact? A DVD gets released, and that's about it. But what if (say) DiBiase broke the streak? He'd get a major push from it; using it to cement his career.

Taker is already a phenom in every sense of the word. He has already cemented his legacy, and the streak didn't really start til about 12-0.

With Vince in charge I worry that if the streak is broken, it'll be to someone who won't benefit from it at all (i.e. a main eventer) like Cena, HBK or Triple H

It's a real shame. I though Orton should've broken it. But since it's gone on for so long I can't see Taker losing. WWE Creative, the locker-room and Vince are all scared of Undertaker to even suggest it.

Vince135792003

Paulegend wrote: »

ok one simple question


who else has given so much to the WWE? to the fans? who has worked their ass off for all these years and demanded nothing else in return? who has jobbed big BIG matches for the sake of entertaining us? who deserves more than HBK to be the one who ends the streak??

Wrestling is a worked sport.

The person who they can make the most money out of it in the future deserves to break it.

Bubs101

Paulegend wrote: »

who else has given so much to the WWE? to the fans? who has worked their ass off for all these years and demanded nothing else in return? who has jobbed big BIG matches for the sake of entertaining us? who deserves more than HBK to be the one who ends the streak??

I does believe you have forgotten what an absolute ass HBK was before he found god

Paulegend

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Wrestling is a worked sport.

The person who they can make the most money out of it in the future deserves to break it.

but why?

why give it to some snot nose new guy that hasnt proved he can be a success?

lets say keven Newguy gets a shot at taker in WM27 or WM28 and ends the streak.

he would get a huge draw from it yes. but what if he got bored and decided he wanted to become an actor and used his "big" wrestling name to promote movies and then drop the wrestling name and just become Dwayne Johnson................. oops i meant Kevin Newguy:D

or else lets say he stays with WWE. what if he doesnt get much of a response from fans? what if the fans simply just dont care one way or another about Mr Newguy??

if HBK broke the streak on the other hand it would cement his HOF place and WWE could still have a big draw from it.

noone really cares enough about the streak tbf. there are alot of other ways to make the young guys stars. just have them fued against the big guys such as Orton, HHH, HBK, Cena....................... they dont need young guys to end the streak

Paulegend

Bubs101 wrote: »

I does believe you have forgotten what an absolute ass HBK was before he found god

yea but he still worked hard for the company and put his all into his performances

taker is an ass too. the CM Punk incident???????????????

HHH is an ass. he is only so big because of his wife. HBK was the original leader of DX..................... but HHH seems to be now(well obviously not now now)

Cena and Sheamus are asses to all of us but they work hard

jaykhunter

Breaking Taker's streak = Huge push = credible star -> Main Event.

Whoever breaks Taker's streak will become a main eventer. It's that big a deal. So WWE have the chance to really make someone's career with one match.

HBK has nothing to gain from breaking the streak. He's already cemented his place as a future hall-of-famer - sure he did that before he came back in 2002.

The aim of the game would be to have many main eventers, right! :pac::pac:

Vince135792003

Paulegend wrote: »

but why?

why give it to some snot nose new guy that hasnt proved he can be a success?

Jimmy Snuka could have said the very same thing to Undertaker at Wrestlemania 7. Was it wrong for him to get squashed after all the money he had drawn for Vince Senior?

Bubs101

Paulegend wrote: »

yea but he still worked hard for the company and put his all into his performances

That's his job though. You shouldn't expect any less. he gets payed truck loads to do it. He's still capable of being childish when he doesn't get his way like in the Hogan match

Paulegend

jaykhunter wrote: »

Breaking Taker's streak = Huge push = credible star -> Main Event.

Whoever breaks Taker's streak will become a main eventer. It's that big a deal. So WWE have the chance to really make someone's career with one match.

HBK has nothing to gain from breaking the streak. He's already cemented his place as a future hall-of-famer - sure he did that before he came back in 2002.

The aim of the game would be to have many main eventers, right! :pac::pac:

but a rookie doesnt deserve it

HBK does

and i cant see HBK jobbing another match simple as................

obviously HBK could lose this one and then have a sensational "return" in september but i really cant see HBK not winning. otherwise whats the point in this storyline......

the story is HBK has put everything on the line. he went through the rumble and couldnt get Taker. he went and asked Taker and couldnt get him. he asked Teddy long and couldnt get him. then he cost Taker the title so game on. but now his Career is on the line aswell. Shawn who has been obssesed with this match has put everything on the line. his friendship with HHH, DX and his career could all of been lost with this obsession............................ does that noty kinda sound familiar with the JBL story last year where everything could have been lost but now Shawn has won at the brink of failure

HBK will beat Taker at Wrestlemania 26

its whats best for the company

Terry

jaykhunter wrote: »

Breaking Taker's streak = Huge push = credible star -> Main Event.

Whoever breaks Taker's streak will become a main eventer. It's that big a deal. So WWE have the chance to really make someone's career with one match.

HBK has nothing to gain from breaking the streak. He's already cemented his place as a future hall-of-famer - sure he did that before he came back in 2002.

The aim of the game would be to have many main eventers, right! :pac::pac:

I'll buy you a wrestlemania ticket if I'm wrong, but I will tell you now that if the streak is ever broken, it will be broken by a name.
Not because Taker isn't up for dropping it to a newbie, but because Vince has a long track record of pushing names over names. Recents events (Sheamus, Punk, Miz etc) are one offs.

I'd love to see HBK take it, but the best I can see is a DQ finish. Possibly HHH pissed off at not main eventing and costing HBK the match.

Paulegend

Bubs101 wrote: »

That's his job though. You shouldn't expect any less. he gets payed truck loads to do it. He's still capable of being childish when he doesn't get his way like in the Hogan match

i wouldnt blame him for the Hogan joke. he was screwed out of a proper match

Bubs101

Paulegend wrote: »

its whats best for the company

how

Paulegend

crap yea i just thought of something which is painfully obvious..............

HHH wont be in any of the 3 main events............................

surely he will get into a title match somehow????


US championship:D lol

Paulegend

Bubs101 wrote: »

how

because giving it to a rookie would tarnish everything. all the former people that faced Taker only to lose and then a rookie beats him............... the rookie would have to go undefeated for months after that.

it makes more sense for Mr Wrestlemania to end it

Degag

Paulegend wrote: »

yea but he still worked hard for the company and put his all into his performances

taker is an ass too. the CM Punk incident???????????????

HHH is an ass. he is only so big because of his wife. HBK was the original leader of DX..................... but HHH seems to be now(well obviously not now now)

Cena and Sheamus are asses to all of us but they work hard

I think it's pretty common knowledge that it was Matt Hardy that complained about Punk to management and not Taker.

Paulegend

Degag_ wrote: »

I think it's pretty common knowledge that it was Matt Hardy that complained about Punk to management and not Taker.

was it not Taker that said Punk didnt dress like a champion and acted like he was bigger than he actually was?

Angron

Rjd2 wrote: »

Cena ending it by submission would be EPIC.

I think if Cena beat him for the streak, a lot more people will start hating Cena a lot more.

flahavaj

Why do people care in Taker ends his career with the streak intact, its nothing more than a kayfabed achievement.

The reason that you book people strong, or book an epically long title reign is as much about the next guy that breaks the run as it is the guy who holds it, if not more. Its the first page in the pro wrestling bookers' handbook. Taker retiring with the streak intact is a complete waste of a storyline 20 years in the making and is an insult to every one of those guys that put him over (many of whom were quite embarrassingly squashed btw).

And while we're on the subject it shouldn't be HBK, he's aready regarded as just as big if not a bigger star than Taker. At least someone like Cena has a long future of main eventing in the business, a win like this would propel him into the stratosphere of in-ring legend that he hasn't quite breached yet. Ideally it's be a younger guy lower down the card but looking at the current options, i don't see anyone good enough to be honest, so I say let Cena do it. The current generation needs an Austin or Hogan level superstar to tell their kids about.

Terry

flahavaj wrote: »

Why do people care in Taker ends his career with the streak intact, its nothing more than a kayfabed achievement.

The reason that you book people strong, or book an epically long title reign is as much about the next guy that breaks the run as it is the guy who holds it, if not more. Its the first page in the pro wrestling bookers' handbook. Taker retiring with the streak intact is a complete waste of a storyline 20 years in the making and is an insult to every one of tehose guys that put him over (many of whom were quite embarrassingly squashed btw).

And while we're on the subject it shouldn't be HBK, he's aready regarded as just as big if not a bigger star than Taker. At least someone like Cena has a long future of main eventing in the business, a win like this would propel him into the stratosphere of in-ring legend that he hasn't quite breached yet. Ideally it's be a younger guy lower down the card but looking at the current options, i don't see anyone good enough to be honest, so I say let Cena do it. The current generation needs an Austin or Hogan level superstar to tell their kids about.

While I'd personally like to see HBK take the streak, I do agree with you there.

Even watching HIAC the other night, you could see Jericho carrying Taker.
His knees are borked and that really rules out two of his finishers. He's left with a submission hold, but that just weakens him in my eyes.

I always saw him as a destroyer with the last ride and the tombstone piledriver. Because of his knees, they are rarely seen outside PPV matches.
You know what I mean. They are both seen as devastating moves, while the only three worthwhile submission moves are the figure four, the sharpshooter and the walls.

My opinion. Not gospel.

gimmick

The streak should have went against Orton a few years ago IMO. He had the best momentum going into it.

Re HBK breaking it - waste of time. What would it do for Shawn? Would people take more notice of him? Hardly? He is the top man in the business for a long time, this isn't going to make it moreso.

I agree with Flav that maybe there is no one at the moment worthy, but it would be wasted on an established star.

flahavaj

gimmick wrote: »

The streak should have went against Orton a few years ago IMO. He had the best momentum going into it.

Re HBK breaking it - waste of time. What would it do for Shawn? Would people take more notice of him? Hardly? He is the top man in the business for a long time, this isn't going to make it moreso.

I agree with Flav that maybe there is no one at the moment worthy, but it would be wasted on an established star.

I often wonder whether the original plan was for Orton to break the streak. Certainly what with them building him up as the "Legend Killer" for over a year beforehand, I think they may have planned at one stage to have him beat 'Taker and push him to the moon. Then when his disciplinary problems reared their ugly head they panicked and had Taker go over instead. I have no basis for this mind you, except pure speculation.

jaykhunter

Terry wrote: »

I'll buy you a wrestlemania ticket if I'm wrong, but I will tell you now that if the streak is ever broken, it will be broken by a name.
Not because Taker isn't up for dropping it to a newbie, but because Vince has a long track record of pushing names over names. Recents events (Sheamus, Punk, Miz etc) are one offs.

Sadly i agree. Vince won't give the 'OK' for a newbie to beat Taker I don't think it'll ever be broken. Shawn has been hankering for time off for a while now, and Mania is the place to do it. Taker takes a lot of time off anyway so everyone's used to him disappearing for months on end.

flahavaj wrote: »

I often wonder whether the original plan was for Orton to break the streak. Certainly what with them building him up as the "Legend Killer" for over a year beforehand, I think they may have planned at one stage to have him beat 'Taker and push him to the moon. Then when his disciplinary problems reared their ugly head they panicked and had Taker go over instead. I have no basis for this mind you, except pure speculation.

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I imagine they couldn't "trust" Orton with the win at that stage. It's a real shame; it's not like he'd ever go to a different company (unless WWE fired him)

Degag

Paulegend wrote: »

was it not Taker that said Punk didnt dress like a champion and acted like he was bigger than he actually was?

No. From what i've read from numerous sources is that Hardy complained to management and that mangement did take it up with Punk. His reply apparently was why was he being victimised for what he wore and Cena was not. Apparently Management did not take this too well, that Punk was getting too big for his boots and thought he was on the same level as Cena.

Taker may certainly have had a word in Punk's ear but from what i've read it was just a forewarning that his actions might get him heat from management.

jaykhunter

Paulegend wrote: »

but a rookie doesnt deserve it

HBK does

I can certainly see your point; big wins should go to those who have proven themselves, makes perfect sense. Others (including me) think that such a monumental win should go to someone that can 'use' the win to become a big name in WWE. HBK winning won't elevate him, but it would certainly elevate a mid-carder.

More main eventers is what's best for the company!

I don't want to be at your place when Shawn jobs to Taker! :pac::p

Mr Trade In

I really wanted to see Edge vs Undertaker as I think it would have given Edge the push back to the top if he had ended the streak,I just hope they don't turn this into a good vs evil angle now.

Patricide

Takers is one of, if not the biggest star in wrestling(at least that still is around today). Hes reinvented himself several times, had great matches and story lines. I think it would be a shame for him to lose his streak, although i see why it would make sense for the wwe as a company.

If it is lost id be pissed if he lost it to anyone other than michaels or at least some other longstanding veteran of the industry.