[US/IRL] 6x05 - "Lighthouse" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Sad Professor

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "LIGHTHOUSE" -

Episode Title: "Lighthouse"
Airdate: February 23rd 2010

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Hurley must convince Jack to accompany him on an unspecified mission, and Jin stumbles across an old friend.

Next New Episode: 6x06 - March 2nd 2010

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the_monkey

7

I might just watch this tonight since i don't have a job atm ...

Helix

3

not quite awful, but i wouldnt say it was even average

very very disappointed with that episode

speedboatchase

5

A pretty slow episode, still not seeing the point of these flash-sideways at all and really just waiting for things to kick up a notch

Helix

3

at least we've gotten the kate and jack side flashes out of the way now anyway

only really the jin/sun one left thats gonna suck id imagine

speedboatchase

5

Helix wrote: »

at least we've gotten the kate and jack side flashes out of the way now anyway

This is the problem for me - it's the final season, we shouldn't be getting anything "out of the way" or even feel that! We've had 2 eps in a row where 2 ppl travel through the jungle to show something to the other, one which had an interesting resolution, and one that didn't (tonight) - is that all ya got, Lost writers?

And if the Lost producers want to show us why these flash-sideways are important (they are half the running time right now), throw us a few bones here and there, rather than just "hey look, ben is a teacher/dogen has a kid too!". Now maybe that's part of some greater mythology but if that's how 1/2 of every ep is going to be until they explain the flash-sidewaysconcept in the final ep, I'll have gone past the point of caring, nearly there already

Sea Sharp

6

It was all-right.

Not as bad as episode 3 but not as good as last week.

I like how we're still not being shown any real villan. Claire was justified in killing that man.

It seems to be more of a conflict of interests than a story of good vs evil.

Helix

3

speedboatchase wrote: »

I'll have gone past the point of caring, nearly there already

im getting there myself to be honest

ill still watch it to the end, but if it keeps up like this i dont even know if ill bother staying in on a tuesday evening for it

speedboatchase

5

Helix wrote: »

im getting there myself to be honest

ill still watch it to the end, but if it keeps up like this i dont even know if ill bother staying in on a tuesday evening for it

I meant beyond the point of caring about the flash-sideways but I get what ya mean. Suffice to say if there was 2 or 3 seasons left and this wasn't the final one I'd have dropped out

Helix

3

yup, too much time invested to give up at this stage, but if there were a few left id probably have given up after the kate episode

the way theyre going the last half of this season is gonna be too packed with reveals to work, or theyre just gonna keep going at this stupid pace all the way to the end and leave absolutely nothing resolved

a middle point should be what theyre aiming for, but i dont think they can do it with the current pacing

Yitzhak Rabin

4

I'm getting seriously sick of these flash sideways. They better have some relevance to the overall show soon. I mean, are we really supposed to give a f*ck about Jack and his son who we've only met for the very first time?

Jack smashing that mirror p*ssed me off too! I really wanted to see who 108 was? My guess is Desmond.

Claire seemed to be suggesting that MiB and her dad were two different entities. Wonder who Christian is so? Also, it seems pretty obvious MiB is just using Claire to get into the temple.

Overall, pretty poor episode, although it did have some cracking lines from Hurley, like "He's like Obi-Wan Kenobi, he just comes and goes when he wants" and "Dude, you just made me piss off a samurai"

Sid_Justice

really enjoyed that actually

opr

yekahs wrote: »

Jack smashing that mirror p*ssed me off too! I really wanted to see who 108 was? My guess is Desmond.

List on the wheel from another forum.

14 - Pryce
17 - Barnes
18 - Kueffner
19 - Nquyen?
21 - McHenly
22 - Moorhead
24 - Kluxen
25 - Ashen
26 - Bozarth
27 - Dapric

35 - Brennan
36 - Syzmanksi
37 - Torres
38 - Linsatrom
39 - Morioka
40 - Dowsell
43 - Barnes
44 - Martinez
51 - Austen
60 - Kyslea

96 - Greese
97 - Pallison
98 - Horton
99 - Sookson
100 - Bar??ield
101 - Faraday
102 - Montand
103 - Horspaan?
104 - Lewis
106 - Sreczyoski
107 - Thompson
108 - Wallace
109 - Friendly
111 - Klein
112 - Horton
113 - Worden
114 - Yamada
115 - Bargas
116 - Lambert
117 - Linus
118 - Chauer
119 - Almieda
120 - Ridriguez
121 - Nielson
122 - Freed
124 - Dawson
125 - Owens
126 - Renti
127 - Mora
128 - Paddock
129 - Campbell

silsean

6

Jack is a big arse. Yay he's angry again and demands answers urgently by raising his voice. Oh and now he's smashing magical mirrors.

FAG.

He's like the kid who didn't get the birthday present he wanted.

abelard

4

The writers either really want to avoid writing - or else have no idea how to write - Jack as a likeable character.

We get a scene that looked like it might be exciting and point to some sort of interesting reveal/propel the story further with the coming of this 'other person' and he steps in and smashes the mirror. Boo. It's little solace that this seemed to be Jacob's plan.

We learned in the flashes that he avoids becoming like his father. Some level of closure on his daddy issues at least, but I think his daddy issues were one of the things we'd have been happy to see go unresolved. The only thing that might save the flashes from this episode from being totally forgettable is if it's somehow mirrored on-island and Jack somehow avoids 'beoming his father' in some other sense.

He finishes by gazing out into the sea. Wonderful.

Gingervitis

Dogen's reply to Hurley translated (Courtesy of Lostpedia)
"You're lucky that I have to protect you. Otherwise I'd have cut your head off."

homerun_homer

7

I watched the episode at work so I was pausing it and flicking up and down the screen at times between work things but I enjoyed it. As usual I'll rewatch it properly after. Obviously it's not on par to last week's but better than Kate's episode.

Again it's a builder episode, setting things up & leading to something about to go down - obviously at the temple so can't wait to see what happens next. It wouldn't be Lost if in this episode they rushed everything by having Jack go on the trip with Hurley, introduce Locke in the first scene by meeting Claire & Jin then run off and potentially attack the temple or do whatever he plans. It's all about the tease and pay off with this show. Do people still not get this after 6 years.

Penn

speedboatchase wrote: »

And if the Lost producers want to show us why these flash-sideways are important (they are half the running time right now), throw us a few bones here and there, rather than just "hey look, ben is a teacher/dogen has a kid too!". Now maybe that's part of some greater mythology but if that's how 1/2 of every ep is going to be until they explain the flash-sidewaysconcept in the final ep, I'll have gone past the point of caring, nearly there already

I thought the thing about Jacks appendix scar was probably important somehow. He's a doctor and he forgot about an appendix scar he's had since he was a kid? Whereas he actually had his appendix removed on the island

me-skywalker

8

Thought it was a fantastic episode plenty of bits to get into there. Jacks appendectomy scars akin to his scratch in LAX somethign strange going on there. Kate shouting out 'Jack, I almost shot you.' Im gonna through out there that in the flash sideways that Kate shoots Jack.... nice foreshadowing.
as for speedboatchase the whole allure and captivating adventure that LOST was built on was these trisp through the jungle.....

speedboatchase wrote: »

We've had 2 eps in a row where 2 ppl travel through the jungle to show something to the other, one which had an interesting resolution, and one that didn't (tonight) - is that all ya got, Lost writers?

Seriously you mustve skipped season 1.

speedboatchase wrote: »

And if the Lost producers want to show us why these flash-sideways are important (they are half the running time right now)

yekahs wrote: »

I'm getting seriously sick of these flash sideways. They better have some relevance to the overall show soon. I mean, are we really supposed to give a f*ck about Jack and his son who we've only met for the very first time?

Running out of time? come on its only 5 episodes and there have been some nice techniques with the characters personalities and issues so far.
Yekahs its not like they are completely different its a nice reflection on the Jack that we know we hte DAddy issues and on island saying 'Ild be a bad father'. While to Aaron and with this David kid he was trying his best.

The flash sideways seem to like marmite to people...

yekahs wrote: »

Claire seemed to be suggesting that MiB and her dad were two different entities. Wonder who Christian is so? Also, it seems pretty obvious MiB is just using Claire to get into the temple.

yea I kinda thought that but then again she never expressely says that she has seen them at the same time.... so MIB coudl still be both Christian and Locke.

abelard wrote: »

He finishes by gazing out into the sea. Wonderful.

Yes. How very..... John Locke of him. Did you miss out on that? Locke sitting staring in the sea for hours contemplating the great msytery of it all and the importance of it all.. Now there is Jack doing the very same thing... THe transformation is happening.

I liked the idea of the Lighthouse was Jacobs hangout and would also come into question can Jacob take other forms?? as he said to Hurley(not verbatim) that Hurley wouldnt have even been able to see him if he was there. Also remember the birds that Hurley heard scream his name hahaha... Maybe Jacob can take the form of a bird? Since the Lighthouse door was jammed Jacob clearly never used it like we as humans would....

Very interesting episode.

James Forde

7

Decent episode built up nicely for next week which i don't mind at all, i think the wait each week leads me to believe each episode will be superfantastic, but there's nothing wrong with slowing the pace down a small bit

tok9

7

I really enjoyed this episode. then again i like Jack too so probably explains it.. That said i'm pretty surprised with the reaction from people here.

Some great lines as already said
Someone is coming to the island and the temple is about to be attacked!
I wonder what the other images were in the mirror, could be interesting.
Something is diff wrong with Claire too.. I take it that unLocke was Christain too, at least thats what it sounded like to me.

How can people say the ALT isn't important. the first scene showed Jack forgetting about his appendix being removed.

Can't wait for next weeks episode.

me-skywalker

8

tok9 wrote: »

Someone is coming to the island and the temple is about to be attacked!
I wonder what the other images were in the mirror, could be interesting.

The other images were the temple that Sun and Jin got married in and the other image was of the church were Jacob vistied young Sawyer.

tok9 wrote: »

Something is diff wrong with Claire too.. I take it that unLocke was Christain too, at least thats what it sounded like to me.

Yea i take it she's infected now, did you notice her eye colours were like Lockes?

So im guessin the people that attaack the Temple will be UnLocke, Claire, Sawyer and Sayid.... Splitting the group up into a face off for later in the series...

Jack,Hurley,Kate, vrs Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, Claire with Jin to prob side with Jack and Hurley...

jimbling

7

I thought it was a great episode. 2nd best of the season so far for sure. That's saying something as I have a serious dislike of the Jack character.

I can not fathom the negativity in this thread... not sure if ye just don't get the show or what, but this stuff is lost at its best. If every episode was action packed and full of reveals it would be a joke of a series.

What we did get in this episode:

On-Island
1) Clare is definitely infected (not just lies by the others). The result of which is that she is with MIB as far as I can tell. (same as french dudes etc).
2) This increases the probability that Sayid is also infected and will join up with MIB too.
3) Christian and MIB are in cahoots... if not the same being. (I know we already knew that really, but further confirmation).
4) Clare believes the others took her baby, and has done for 3 years, because MIB told her so. He's been using her all along to kill off others.
5) Further use of the numbers showing the allocation to the names of the losties etc.
6) A magic mirror
7) The further development of Jacks transformation. That outburst could be the last, the smashing of the mirror (old house) representative of the destruction of the old Jack.
8) Jacob knew exactly what was going to happen and why it needed to happen. He even went so far as to EXPLAIN it to us.

Off-Island
9) In the flash sideways Jack still has the appendix scar, but he got it when he was a kid instead of on the island. He doesn't really remember this. This is going to be very important.
10) I think it's also playing out that the characters lives in the flash sideways are completely different yet very similar. Its strange... but I'm thoroughly enjoying it. No idea why people are up in arms.... perhaps it's the marmite thing as a poster above suggested.

I guess what's really important is where they go with it, and I have faith that it's somewhere good. Why would they bring it in for no purpose? Have faith people.


Anyway, I just watched it a few minutes ago and that's the stuff that stood out... prob missing a few bits as well.
Sometimes I just think people don't actually watch the show properly at all. A filler episode would have had none of the above. A filler episode is one with no importance to the overall arc of the story. Crazy to think this episode is filler, or a waste of time.


PS: For the whiners.... if you have comments on the particular episode then that's great. But most of the negative comments were about lost in general and should be taken to the whine about lost thread.

James Forde

7

^ what he said +1,000,000

Draupnir

I thoroughly enjoyed it, we now know there were as many as 360 potential candidates and that Jacob is down to his last 5 now I think?

Also, I'm convinced that MiB cannot kill candidates and that he can use the body/identity of any dead person arriving on the island, however the loop hole is for him to assume the identity of a candidate.

Penn

Draupnir wrote: »

I thoroughly enjoyed it, we now know there were as many as 360 potential candidates and that Jacob is down to his last 5 now I think?

Also, I'm convinced that MiB cannot kill candidates and that he can use the body/identity of any dead person arriving on the island, however the loop hole is for him to assume the identity of a candidate.

I think its more than 5. I think Kates name wasn't crossed out on this new list thing (No.51 I think). I'm surprised that MIB didn't point her name out to Sawyer in the cave.

DeepBlue

jimbling wrote: »

PS: For the whiners.... if you have comments on the particular episode then that's great. But most of the negative comments were about lost in general and should be taken to the whine about lost thread.

If an episode is shit people should be able to complain about it in the episode thread. Simples.

I don't think this was as bad as the Kate episode but the Kate episode was really bad.

The last time Claire saw Jin he couldn't speak English. This time he's fluent and she doesn't even notice it or remark on it. Ah well.

If that's the only mention of the bodies in the cave that we get then I don't think people are gonna be happy. Looks like it is though .

It seems that there is more to the ALT timeline than just it being a timeline where they don't crash on the island. It's unlikely Jack would not remember his appendix being removed if it had really happened in an alt timeline.

Finally it seems we're being pointed to how Lost will eventually end. Claire becomes the new Rosseau, Jack probably becomes the new Jacob with Locke becoming the new Esau, everyone else dying and a new plane/ship crashing into the island - i.e. the cycle begins again with no real attempt at an explanation as to what the cycle is. Cue lost fanboys exclaiming how it's the best tv series eva.

jimbling

7

me-skywalker wrote: »

So im guessin the people that attaack the Temple will be UnLocke, Claire, Sawyer and Sayid.... Splitting the group up into a face off for later in the series...

Jack,Hurley,Kate, vrs Locke, Sawyer, Sayid, Claire with Jin to prob side with Jack and Hurley...

I think/hope Sawyer will come good in the end.

Penn

DeepBlue wrote: »

The last time Claire saw Jin he couldn't speak English. This time he's fluent and she doesn't even notice it or remark on it. Ah well.

Jin had been starting to learn English the last time they met I think. And there was a three year gap since they last me

James Forde

7

DeepBlue wrote: »

Finally it seems we're being pointed to how Lost will eventually end. Claire becomes the new Rosseau, Jack probably becomes the new Jacob with Locke becoming the new Esau, everyone else dying and a new plane/ship crashing into the island - i.e. the cycle begins again with no real attempt at an explanation as to what the cycle is. Cue lost fanboys exclaiming how it's the best tv series eva.

Just to correct you, Locke is DEAD, and Esau (if we presume that's his name) is Esau just in Lockes body.

DeepBlue wrote: »

If that's the only mention of the bodies in the cave that we get then I don't think people are gonna be happy. Looks like it is though

What gives you that impression?

me-skywalker

8

DeepBlue wrote: »

Finally it seems we're being pointed to how Lost will eventually end. Claire becomes the new Rosseau, Jack probably becomes the new Jacob with Locke becoming the new Esau, everyone else dying and a new plane/ship crashing into the island - i.e. the cycle begins again with no real attempt at an explanation as to what the cycle is. Cue lost fanboys exclaiming how it's the best tv series eva.

That was alluded to a good while ago. Ild accept this BUT I would only accept this if it explains why it is so important that this cycle contiues as Hawkings said if they didnt all go back then, 'God help us all'

jimbling

7

DeepBlue wrote: »

If an episode is shit people should be able to complain about it in the episode thread. Simples.

Yes, they do. But read the complaints. It's all things that could be said about 80-90% of lost episodes. The rest of us are sick of hearing about people who are "sick of lost" "no answers" "going nowhere" "running out of time" crap. That's what the whine about lost thread was created for.

DeepBlue wrote: »

I don't think this was as bad as the Kate episode but the Kate episode was really bad.

Personally, I thought the kate episode was pretty crap as well.

DeepBlue wrote: »

The last time Claire saw Jin he couldn't speak English. This time he's fluent and she doesn't even notice it or remark on it. Ah well.

LOL, seriously? The woman is completely mad and you think she's going to notice or remark on the fact that Jin speaks better english?

DeepBlue wrote: »

If that's the only mention of the bodies in the cave that we get then I don't think people are gonna be happy. Looks like it is though .

See, this is what annoys me. Why on earth would you think that that's the last mention of the bodies in the cave? If anything, them bringing them up like that leads me to believe we'll hear more about it in the remainder of the series. It was a reminder.

People said the same last week about the numbers. And yet there they were again this week.

DeepBlue wrote: »

It seems that there is more to the ALT timeline than just it being a timeline where they don't crash on the island. It's unlikely Jack would not remember his appendix being removed if it had really happened in an alt timeline.

Ya, I think this has been shown a few ways already in previous episodes. The thought is that this is an alternate timeline where Jacob has had no influence in any-ones lives (because the island is underwater etc).
I'm not sure that's entirely true because of the interactions between the characters...there must be something there still... and I think we'll find out what that is. It's leading somewhere.

DeepBlue wrote: »

Finally it seems we're being pointed to how Lost will eventually end. Claire becomes the new Rosseau, Jack probably becomes the new Jacob with Locke becoming the new Esau, everyone else dying and a new plane/ship crashing into the island - i.e. the cycle begins again with no real attempt at an explanation as to what the cycle is. Cue lost fanboys exclaiming how it's the best tv series eva.

Again, you're making assumptions on both the show and the reaction of the fans at the end of the serious in order to make snide remarks about the show and the fans. Get a grip.

There's obviously going to be something to the cycle though, that's been alluded to many times. Especially in last episode of season 5. But this time it's different. Jacob and MIB have been there throughout all the cycles (that we know of). That's about to change. That's why this particular set of people are of great importance.

jimbling

7

Draupnir wrote: »

I thoroughly enjoyed it, we now know there were as many as 360 potential candidates and that Jacob is down to his last 5 now I think?

How many seats on the plane?

Perhaps every one on the plane was a candidate. It's also possible that some may have far more potential than others, with the 6 being the greatest.

Draupnir wrote: »

Also, I'm convinced that MiB cannot kill candidates and that he can use the body/identity of any dead person arriving on the island, however the loop hole is for him to assume the identity of a candidate.

This is something that I've been wondering about for a while. We're all (well me anyway) have been assuming that MIB is/was Christian. That he took over his body in a similar fashion to Lockes. But that is not the case.
Christians body was gone from the coffin, lockes was not. So what's the difference?


EDIT: Another point. Why would MIB/Christian help Jack find shelter/water in the caves? I cant really remember the first series. Did John Lock go to the caves as well? Wasn't there a split early between cave dwellers and beach dwellers. Was that Jack and Lock? Perhaps that was his goal, to begin the split between the two.....hmmm.

Handsome Bob

6

Decent episode, I though Matthew Fox did really well, I particularly liked the scene between Jack and David at the end where Jack realises he's (unintentionally) put the same pressure on his son that his own dad put on him.

Jack didn't have a son in the original timeline right?

Oh, and I fully support Claire's plans to murder Kate.

jimbling

7

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Oh, and I fully support Claire's plans to murder Kate.

haha, agreed

Dymo

5

Were 1/3 of the season in and I think if this was going to be the season of answers we are going to be a bit disappointed but if we just want to ride it out and watch each show without any huge expectation then I suppose this was an above average episode.
Jack in the sideways dimension has a son, who cares. I don’t really care what happens because this side ways flashes gives the writer’s endless possibilities for fillers. Will be interesting who Jacks wife will be but I’m guessing Juliet.

Claire/Flaire is inexplicably a jungle survival and foraging expert in contrast to being a whining pain in the arse season 1-2. I guess the sickness also gives you hunting and tracking abilities in addition to making you evil. And why now has Hurley the abilities to track halfway across the island using a note written on his arm just to find a giant lighthouse that is walking distance from the losties cave camp in season 1, that we have never ever seen before. I don't care if Jack asked that exact question he was just covering up for the writers and it ties in with and Adam and Eve.

Jack smashing the magic mirror thing might be the most frustrating thing I've ever watched on television. We spent three seasons watching Jack single-mindedly and recklessly trying to get his people off the island and once he does, he comes to regret it so much that he goes back to the island to try set things right, because he believes he did something wrong, and he believes he needs to go back. After seeing the things he's seen and experienced the things he's experienced, you'd think he would be a little more thoughtful and contemplative, a little more patient, but nope! He smashes up the thing that might be able to give answers.

Nothing is answered in this episode alternative time line remains unnecessary and boring, eating up so much time that could have been spent productively, or entertainingly, Drogen turns up off-island and talks to Jack. Not interesting, not necessary, just rubbish.

People running from the temple because it's not safe outside, Jacob tells Hurley it's not safe AT the temple, I don't know what I am supposed to think as I haven't seen evidence of anything in particular, so it's not like I can know who is lying or whatever

I just hope the answers to the current mysteries start soon, even though last weeks episode was great it still asked more questions than answered.

Judging by the way the writers are progressing with this season, we will be having a Sun flash sideways next week while the people on the beach get to the temple.

jimbling

7

Dymo wrote: »

....

Just out of curiosity.
What questions do you have that you expected to be answered less than a 1/3rd of the way through this season???

jimbling

7

I didn't really want to respond to this, but after reading it again I decided I had to.

Dymo wrote: »

Jack in the sideways dimension has a son, who cares. I don’t really care what happens because this side ways flashes gives the writer’s endless possibilities for fillers. Will be interesting who Jacks wife will be but I’m guessing Juliet.

If you don't care about any of the characters you should just stop watching. If the only reason you are watching is to find out the answers then stop now. Leave the series finish and read about the answers afterwards. Then you can bitch and moan to your hearts content in the whine about lost thread.

Dymo wrote: »

Claire/Flaire is inexplicably a jungle survival and foraging expert in contrast to being a whining pain in the arse season 1-2. I guess the sickness also gives you hunting and tracking abilities in addition to making you evil.

Eh, she has also had 3 years to learn and she's had smokey/mib/christian to help her along the way too. Honestly, you're just looking for things to give out about...even when they're not there.

Dymo wrote: »

And why now has Hurley the abilities to track halfway across the island using a note written on his arm just to find a giant lighthouse that is walking distance from the losties cave camp in season 1, that we have never ever seen before. I don't care if Jack asked that exact question he was just covering up for the writers and it ties in with and Adam and Eve.

Fair points, but nothing to get my knickers in a twist over.

Dymo wrote: »

Jack smashing the magic mirror thing might be the most frustrating thing I've ever watched on television. We spent three seasons watching Jack single-mindedly and recklessly trying to get his people off the island and once he does, he comes to regret it so much that he goes back to the island to try set things right, because he believes he did something wrong, and he believes he needs to go back. After seeing the things he's seen and experienced the things he's experienced, you'd think he would be a little more thoughtful and contemplative, a little more patient, but nope! He smashes up the thing that might be able to give answers.

I'll be honest, when he started getting angry and smashed the mirror I was furious. It really pissed me off... for the reasons you gave.

But I think Jacobs conversation with hurley afterwards told us the importance of this moment was. Think I pointed this out in my previous post. I believe this is probably the defining moment in his transformation. Epitomised by Jack being "thoughtful and contemplative" right at the end.

Dymo wrote: »

alternative time line remains unnecessary and boring

How do you know it's unnecessary? For all you know it's the source of all the answers.
Anyway, I'm finding it far far more interesting than the flash backs or even flash forwards to be honest.

Dymo wrote: »

People running from the temple because it's not safe outside, Jacob tells Hurley it's not safe AT the temple, I don't know what I am supposed to think as I haven't seen evidence of anything in particular, so it's not like I can know who is lying or whatever

Eh, running too the temple because it's where the others are.... it's safest place on the island...away from Flocke. (or so ilana thinks)
Running away from the temple because Flocke is on the way to destroy.
Only Jacob knows this and he got Hurley and Jack out because of that.

What's so confusing about this??

Dymo wrote: »

I just hope the answers to the current mysteries start soon, even though last weeks episode was great it still asked more questions than answered.

Bah.... there hasn't been any new questions (baring the flash-sideways) this season that didn't relate to mysteries already there. I'd go so far as to say these new questions you speak of are most likely part of the answers.
They are slowly enlightening us to the world of the Island. We know way more than we did last year.

Dymo wrote: »

Judging by the way the writers are progressing with this season, we will be having a Sun flash sideways next week while the people on the beach get to the temple.

I think you could be right here... I hope not... I hate Sun episodes :mad:

Sad Professor

7

jimbling wrote:

I'll be honest, when he started getting angry and smashed the mirror I was furious. It really pissed me off... for the reasons you gave.

But I think Jacobs conversation with hurley afterwards told us the importance of this moment was. Think I pointed this out in my previous post. I believe this is probably the defining moment in his transformation. Epitomised by Jack being "thoughtful and contemplative" right at the end.

Agreed. It's a very significant moment for Jack. It all goes back to the conversation he had with Locke in season 1.

LOCKE: Do you really think all this is an accident -- that we, a group of strangers survived, many of us with just superficial injuries? Do you think we crashed on this place by coincidence -- especially, this place? We were brought here for a purpose, for a reason, all of us. Each one of us was brought here for a reason.
JACK: Brought here? And who brought us here, John?
LOCKE: The Island. The Island brought us here. This is no ordinary place, you've seen that, I know you have. But the Island chose you, too, Jack. It's destiny.

The mirror is confirmation for Jack that Locke was correct. The plane crash was not an accident: they were brought to the island. Locke never needed confirmation - he just went on blind fate. As Jack was doing last season when he decided to return to the island and try and change time. But Jack is still Jack, he can't go on blind fate alone, especially after what happened with Juliet.

I think his transformation is now complete. As you said earlier, smashing the mirror is symbolic of Jack destroying his old self. I think Jack is now the new Locke. He is probably also the prime "candidate" to take over Jacob's role, which would be a very fitting place for his character to end up.

DeepBlue

jimbling wrote: »

Get a grip.

I decline your invitation to get a grip.
By the way this might surprise you but

it's just a tv show.

jimbling

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DeepBlue wrote: »

By the way this might surprise you but

it's just a tv show.

Really? Wow, and I thought I was watching a reality TV show :rolleyes:

Seriously, trying to insult me by insinuating I think it's more than just a TV show is just grasping at straws. Quit coming in here if you're just going to insult the show and insult the fans of the show.

Daysha

Sad Professor wrote: »

The mirror is confirmation for Jack that Locke was correct. The plane crash was not an accident: they were brought to the island. Locke never needed confirmation - he just went on blind fate. As Jack was doing last season when he decided to return to the island and try and change time. But Jack is still Jack, he can't go on blind fate alone, especially after what happened with Juliet.

I think his transformation is now complete. As you said earlier, smashing the mirror is symbolic of Jack destroying his old self. I think Jack is now the new Locke. He is probably also the prime "candidate" to take over Jacob's role, which would be a very fitting place for his character to end up.

Surely it could be looked at the other way though? The moment I saw it I thought that it showed Jack still hasn't got enough faith in Jacob, Hurley, the Island or anyone else to trust them enough. The fact he smashed the mirrors could be shown that he still hasn't transformed enough to believe that what Hurley was doing was right, and as such can't be seen as a candidate anymore.

jimbling

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Sad Professor wrote: »

I think Jack is now the new Locke. He is probably also the prime "candidate" to take over Jacob's role, which would be a very fitting place for his character to end up.

Ya, I think it's pretty obvious now at this stage that Jack will be the new "protector" of the island. It's been obvious for a while really*.



*We've known that Jacks character was the most important for a few seasons. Ever since we found out that Matthew Fox was the only actor to have been told the ending to lost. So once this protector/new Jacob role came up it was always going to be Jack

jimbling

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Daysha wrote: »

Surely it could be looked at the other way though? The moment I saw it I thought that it showed Jack still hasn't got enough faith in Jacob, Hurley, the Island or anyone else to trust them enough. The fact he smashed the mirrors could be shown that he still hasn't transformed enough to believe that what Hurley was doing was right, and as such can't be seen as a candidate anymore.

You would jump to that conclusion while watching the scene all right, but surely not with what Jacob said afterwards?

Also Starring LeVar Burton

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Well I usually hate Jack, so for a Jack episode I thought this was a great episode...
Hurley was excellent... The Jin and Claire scenes were excellent... I was even warming to Jack as a character, but then he smashed the mirror and pissed me off...
for the whole episode I was assuming that Desmond would show up on a boat at the end... I was wrong obviously, but they really need to find a way to write Desmond back in...

homerun_homer

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DeepBlue wrote: »

Finally it seems we're being pointed to how Lost will eventually end. Claire becomes the new Rosseau

The big difference here is that the island doesn't need Rousseau. She was brought to the island, her baby genuinely kidnapped by the others, leaving her a a mad recluse, well able to fend for herself and help the good guys. She wasn't infected, while Claire is (still TBD 100% but I'm a believer).

This was probably part of MIBs plan to have this woman that Claire could be manipulated into becoming, knowing Others have kidnapped babies before she will immediately form trust and belief in MIB/Christian/Locke/"My friend".

MIB has an agenda with her and it's been planned for years like everything else.

jimbling

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just had a thought... probably obvious to ye here, but I only just realised it.


When Jacob was dying, he said to Flocke "They're coming". At the time I automatically assumed it was the guys from 77. I still think I'm correct in that, but it's become more important, and the reason for it's importance more obvious.

With what we know now, he must have meant The Candidates.

If that is the case, it would make Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Jin, Kate and Sayid "The 6".

Is that it? I presume Miles is not a candidate as he wasn't on the plane. I guess you never know, but lets assume not.
Obviously Juliet came as well, although fleetingly, but again I wouldn't think she was a candidate.
Was there anyone else?

So, some questions/answers come from that.
Why would Jacob get Hurley to bring Sayid to the Temple to cure him. Surely he knew he would become infected and side with MIB and no longer be a candidate?
Also, this probably shows that it's Jin and not Sun that is the candidate.

jimbling

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CaptainNegative wrote: »

for the whole episode I was assuming that Desmond would show up on a boat at the end... I was wrong obviously, but they really need to find a way to write Desmond back in...

ya, I really hope Desmond is the guy trying to find the island. I'm sure he will be important.... it would be madness for him not to be. Although I don't think he's a candidate for the reasons I gave in the last post. He will play some other pivotal role though.

James Forde

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bit of a spoiler regards Des

he's only a guest this season and won't be featured as much this season and he has done in previous seasons

Dempsey

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jimbling wrote: »

Ya, I think it's pretty obvious now at this stage that Jack will be the new "protector" of the island. It's been obvious for a while really*.



*We've known that Jacks character was the most important for a few seasons. Ever since we found out that Matthew Fox was the only actor to have been told the ending to lost. So once this protector/new Jacob role came up it was always going to be Jack

But didnt the producers say that he only knows the ending for his character and not everyone else. He has just one side of a much broader story.

I liked the episode, but Jack breaking a mystical mirror in a magical lighthouse that he only discovered 5 minutes ago was really really annoying. I suppose its a case of him learning to think before jumping in feet first

Sad Professor

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I don't think the mirror was particularly important. Jacob used it to watch the Losties. I doubt there was anything else to be gleaned from it, so it doesn't matter that Jack smashed it.

The fans are like Hurley in this case, thinking it was more important than it was. What was important, and the reason Jacob sent them there, was so Jack could see his name and realise that Jacob was watching him his whole life. Which is pretty much what happened last week with Sawyer and the cave. Except UnLocke twisted that to suit his own purpose.

Anyway, now we know that Kate does have a number - 51.