National Seniors 2010

jayroyal

Well they kick off tomorrow some great weights i think a few surprises . Lightweight looks something else also welterweight and middle. Well i'll start with my predictions

jayroyal

48kg Paddy Barnes
51kg Gary Molloy
54kg J J Nevin
57kg Ryan Lingberg (think he deserved this one)
60kg Ross Hickey (though one to call but he very hard to hit)
64kg Philip KO Sutciffe
69kg Willie McLoughlin
75kg Darren O Neill (has to really be on form)
81kg Thomas McCarthy (think he'll be alot stronger this year)
91kg Con Sheenan
91kg+ Sean Turner

duagre

could you post the list of entrants for each weight please.

jayroyal

on iaba website

c1979

it says national novice championship aswell on the IABA site what's that about?

gmkgreaney

c1979 wrote: »

it says national novice championship aswell on the IABA site what's that about?

was wondering about that alright, ya dont hear mucha bout them, i didnt know there was a novice senior level, from what i know the connaught novices wer on last oct

MBC

Its the first time the national novices have been held............its for men 17+ with less than 10 fights.

lynnemc

And women, MBC

MBC

lynnemc wrote: »

And women, MBC

Didnt realise these novices were for women........I thought the woman's championships in November covered the Woman Novice c/ships? could well be wrong though?

murpheile

some great semi's lined up for next weekend already. Especially looking forward to seeing how Hickey vs DO Joyce and Moylett vs Sutcliffe goes. The O'Kane Quigley bout should be interesting aswel.
Another Egan Mccarthy final looks on the cards, hopefully the years extra experience for Mccarthy makes it an even more entertaining final this year.

walshb

I wonder are these tasty semis being shown on RTE next week?

murpheile

walshb wrote: »

I wonder are these tasty semis being shown on RTE next week?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic there Waslhb but I'd be very surprised if anything bar a packed 90 min - 2 hour show on finals night, focusing mainly on the 2008 olympic entrants, will be televised.

duagre

last year they showed pretty much all the finals


Also what is it with the iaba never being the most forthcoming with information. You can never find out ticket prices for the shows and stuff like that. Its really irritating. They should have really detailed info on all upcoming events. It might encourage people to actually go see the fights

murpheile

To be honest I can't remember which ones they showed last year (hardly remember what happened yesterday) but I do remember the schedule being all thrown around on finals night to allow TV audiences see the Olympians, the Donovan-Hickey fight was put on earlier to accomodate this and was never shown which was a great final.

Agree with you on the IABA site they could have posted the full draw last Friday when it was announced. With the finals over 2 nights this year I wonder will it be the same cost in each night as the finals night when all fights were on the same bill?

walshb

murpheile wrote: »

To be honest I can't remember which ones they showed last year (hardly remember what happened yesterday) but I do remember the schedule being all thrown around on finals night to allow TV audiences see the Olympians, the Donovan-Hickey fight was put on earlier to accomodate this and was never shown which was a great final.

Agree with you on the IABA site they could have posted the full draw last Friday when it was announced. With the finals over 2 nights this year I wonder will it be the same cost in each night as the finals night when all fights were on the same bill?

No, they showed pretty much all. The fight of the night, the whole fight that stole the show was Frampton vs. David Oliver Joyce.

Vintagekits

walshb wrote: »

No, they showed pretty much all. The fight of the night, the whole fight that stole the show was Frampton vs. David Oliver Joyce.

The Sutcliffe fight wasnt bad either!

Reynolds to be fitter than last year and the ring rust gone.

jayroyal

Sucko was in a great fight on saturday , Murray done real well he's a strong boy his legs were gone twice but still survived to the end. It wass one of the best toe to toe fights wit two bangers ya'll see in stadium.

walshb

Just saw that DOJ faces Ross Hickey on Saturday. That really should be a clash of styles. I hadn't realised that Joyce had moved to 60 kg. Donovan the defending champ meets Ciaran Bates. Any predictions on this division?

Also, the 69 kg division is intriguing, with JJJ meeting team mate, Roy Shehan.
Willie McGlaughlin is in the other semi final. Predictions?

walshb

jayroyal wrote: »

Sucko was in a great fight on saturday , Murray done real well he's a strong boy his legs were gone twice but still survived to the end. It wass one of the best toe to toe fights wit two bangers ya'll see in stadium.

These bouts up on RTE medfia by any chance, damn shame I didn't see this.

MBC

www.irishsport.tv showed all the matches last year.......not sure if they are doing it again this year though?

MBC

Predications for tonight:

Winners (all red corner bar Molloy).
51kg - Molloy
57kg - Lindberg
60kg - Donovan
64kg - Sucliffe
69kg - McLoughlin
81kg - Egan
91kg - Sheehan
91kg+ - McMonagle

walshb

MBC wrote: »

Predications for tonight:

Winners (all red corner bar Molloy).
51kg - Molloy
57kg - Lindberg
60kg - Donovan
64kg - Sucliffe
69kg - McLoughlin
81kg - Egan
91kg - Sheehan
91kg+ - McMonagle

I see the big surprise was Sutcliffe losing.

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

I see the big surprise was Sutcliffe losing.

He was unlucky wit a public warning but moylette boxed a good fight hiding under a high guard and the body shots for sutcliffe weren't scoring. I think he should turn pro peters should sign him up quickly cause he's a real ticket seller and great to watch. He really needs to sort his hands out first .

walshb

jayroyal wrote: »

He was unlucky wit a public warning but moylette boxed a good fight hiding under a high guard and the body shots for sutcliffe weren't scoring. I think he should turn pro peters should sign him up quickly cause he's a real ticket seller and great to watch. He really needs to sort his hands out first .

Moylette must have really stood up to the test. Sutcliffe is so heavy handed.

What do you mean whe you say, "He really needs to sort his hands out first?"

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

Moylette must have really stood up to the test. Sutcliffe is so heavy handed.

What do you mean whe you say, "He really needs to sort his hands out first?"

He has had real trouble wit his hands they weren't right before the first fight last week. He hadn't fought since the worlds and didn't even spar for the seniors , so was not 100% but moylette had such a high guard it was hard to make contact enough, that was the reason the coach of the boxer he beat in the worlds final wouldn't sake his hand cause he was using a pee a boo style i would call it. I guess it effective tough but not pretty. I think his hands are like calzaghe's but it ain't from slapping eh.

frogwestside

finals are on rte 2 9:35 tonight

Skr4wny

Really looking forward to this.....great night of sport. Off to watch Bohs Vs Fingal and then leg it home for the boxing.

walshb

Skr4wny wrote: »

Really looking forward to this.....great night of sport. Off to watch Bohs Vs Fingal and then leg it home for the boxing.

I am too; however, not as much as previously. There has always been something very special about Seniors nite at the stadium. The boxers, the fans, the crowds and the atmosphere. Now, since this two day event for finals night has come about, I am a little disappointed. I don't think it's the best idea. The beauty of the night was all the finals on in one great show.

They obvioulsy have their reasons for it, more than likely it's financial, which I have no problem with to be honest. The whole organistaion deserves to be
profitable and successful. I just think this is not the show or the event that it should be.

Mick Dowling was talking about this in the Star today and he doesn't like it either. Couple this with the fact that the Seniors are being lumped with the novices and the female championships, a point Kenneth Egan spoke about and wasn't happy about.

colly10

walshb wrote: »

I am too; however, not as much as previously. There has always been something very special about Seniors nite at the stadium. The boxers, the fans, the crowds and the atmosphere. Now, since this two day event for finals night has come about, I am a little disappointed. I don't think it's the best idea. The beauty of the night was all the finals on in one great show.

They obvioulsy have their reasons for it, more than likely it's financial, which I have no problem with to be honest. The whole organistaion deserves to be
profitable and successful. I just think this is not the show or the event that it should be.

Mick Dowling was talking about this in the Star today and he doesn't like it either. Couple this with the fact that the Seniors are being lumped with the novices and the female championships, a point Kenneth Egan spoke about and wasn't happy about.

Think this is a terrible idea to be honest, I know they are doing it for financial reasons but I think it will be damaging to the sport in this country in the long run. This will generate more money in the short term but probably less in the long term

walshb

This scoring system needs to be abolished. McGlaughlin has landed maybe 25 punches after two rds and he's on ****ing 6 points. A disgrace. JJJ is not level here, Willie is clearly ahead and it's not being shown with this ridiculous scoring system.

No no no no......disgusting system. Willie won this fight, no doubt about it.
That is the worst decision I have seen in an Irish ring for amateurs.

BTW, amazing scrap, and JJ was tremendous, but he didn't beat Willie in my eyes.
It wasn't even close. I would say a score of 32-22 would have been fair for Willie

Wild_Dogger

Was just logging in to post my disapproval at the scoring !!!

Cant believe that to be honest !!!

Well done to Willie , he is clear winner for me anyway.

Johner

Scoring has been a joke all night.

walshb

Egan fully deserved the win. He just is a hard hard man to beat.
Tommy just never seemed to want it. Egan's hunger
is still there, amazing. 10 in a row.

Tommy looked pretty damn miserable. I know he lost, but he
looked like a real sore ****ing loser

cowzerp

Very enjoyable show but as usual the scoring is a joke, exactly why i stopped boxing tbh, boxing is more than landing very noticeable straight punches, defense, ringcraft, aggression, power of punches and dominating all not took into consideration, some of the lads fought there hearts out but at the end of the day to win you might aswell focus on fencing.

efb

all you can score is clean punches. Nothing else scores. I like the fencing analogy, because I always used it.

I aint saying its right, but that the way it is.

walshb

efb wrote: »

all you can score is clean punches. Nothing else scores. I like the fencing analogy, because I always used it.

I aint saying its right, but that the way it is.

I can accept this, but what about when those clean shots are landing and NOT scoring, or worse still, the ****ing opponent gets the score? This is
happening.

efb

walshb wrote: »

I can accept this, but what about when those clean shots are landing and NOT scoring, or worse still, the ****ing opponent gets the score? This is
happening.

I'd say make your shots more telling, infighting is great, but if you have worn your opponent down, step back and pick him off from range, its impossible not to score those.

Again, rightly or wrongly, you don't get any points for being "busy".

I've been on the 'wrong' end of 4-1 decisions that I believe I had the correct boxer winning, but I've seen very few glaringly wrong decisions.

People that said Egan was robbed of Gold in Beijing, I believe were being a bit patriotic or biased, because I believe the result was definitely the correct one.

walshb

efb wrote: »

I'd say make your shots more telling, infighting is great, but if you have worn your opponent down, step back and pick him off from range, its impossible not to score those.

Again, rightly or wrongly, you don't get any points for being "busy".

I've been on the 'wrong' end of 4-1 decisions that I believe I had the correct boxer winning, but I've seen very few glaringly wrong decisions.

People that said Egan was robbed of Gold in Beijing, I believe were being a bit patriotic or biased, because I believe the result was definitely the correct one.

I'm not with you. I did mention clean shots. So, making a clean shot more telling means making a clean shot cleaner? Clean is clean.

Being busy doesnt mean scores, but busy AND scoring should. That is
the issue. Willie at 69 kg was very very busy, and scored far far more than 9 landed shots. Disgrace

Spot on ref Egan in Beijing...

efb

walshb wrote: »

I'm not with you. I did mention clean shots. So, making a clean shot more telling means making a clean shot cleaner? Clean is clean.

Being busy doesnt mean scores, but busy AND scoring should. That is
the issue. Willie at 69 kg was very very busy, and scored far far more than 9 landed shots. Disgrace

Spot on ref Egan in Beijing...

I was going for make them both 'clean and clear" so really I meant clearer.

3 of 5 judges have to see a clean shot, clearly.

hinault

How did Paddy Barnes get on?

JacksonHeightsOwn

walshb wrote: »

This scoring system needs to be abolished. McGlaughlin has landed maybe 25 punches after two rds and he's on ****ing 6 points. A disgrace. JJJ is not level here, Willie is clearly ahead and it's not being shown with this ridiculous scoring system.

No no no no......disgusting system. Willie won this fight, no doubt about it.
That is the worst decision I have seen in an Irish ring for amateurs.

BTW, amazing scrap, and JJ was tremendous, but he didn't beat Willie in my eyes.
It wasn't even close. I would say a score of 32-22 would have been fair for Willie

i hear your pain, but ive seen far worse decisions

i remember a Conar Ahern fight a few years back, in the finals i think, that he clearly won only for him to lose by some ridiculous margin

as for the finals being over 2 nights.....ive no problems as such, only the ticketing prices, i rang up earlier, the tickets are priced at €30, €40 and €50, thats a bit rich!!! i asked the guy was there a 2 night ticket at a cheaper rate....his reply was no of course, yet,

you'd swear by the tone of his voice i asked him for anal loving

their prices are shambolic, they really are

i thought €40 for 2 nights would have been great value, but €60, no bloody chance

colly10

I think it's worse that they don't score really clean body shots, they just ignore them, not counting quality bodyshots will take some of the skill out of boxing. I prefer the old judging system

walshb

colly10 wrote: »

I think it's worse that they don't score really clean body shots, they just ignore them, not counting quality bodyshots will take some of the skill out of boxing. I prefer the old judging system

Body shots score very rarely. I remember seeing a brilliant fight in Beijing where both guys were landing beautiful body shots and I think maybe two or three form 20-25 were scored. Ridiculous.

McGlaughlin last night won very clearly on the old system and won clearly on the scoring system. He was throwing AND landing 40 percent more than JJJ. At one instance JJJ went from 9 points to ten and he hadn't even thrown a shot; he semed to have been given a McGlaughlin score:rolleyes:

Now, what the **** were RTE playing at by NOT showing the brilliant Taylor?

I tuned in mainly for her, and what do they do, they show a snippet at the end

Chris, As for the ticket prices; they do have to make money, and 30 Euro for
a great nights fighting is quite good really. How much would you
pay to watch the Irish soccer team, or the Dubs kick ball after ball wide?:)

duagre

Nonsense. There's tough competition out there these days for an evenings entertainment. 30+ for half a championship is out of order in my opinion. Its more important long term to have a full house than to squeeze a few extra pence.

walshb

Well, what would you charge, 5, 10, 20 Euro?

Remember, Taylor was also on this show, the best in the world.
The girl that is going to the White House. I don't even know of any
boxer ever to be invited to the White House, sought out.

The IABA are offering a discount for two nights according to their website

duagre

I think 15-20 euro would be fair

Vintagekits

chrisbonnie wrote: »

i hear your pain, but ive seen far worse decisions

i remember a Conar Ahern fight a few years back, in the finals i think, that he clearly won only for him to lose by some ridiculous margin

as for the finals being over 2 nights.....ive no problems as such, only the ticketing prices, i rang up earlier, the tickets are priced at €30, €40 and €50, thats a bit rich!!! i asked the guy was there a 2 night ticket at a cheaper rate....his reply was no of course, yet,

you'd swear by the tone of his voice i asked him for anal loving

their prices are shambolic, they really are

i thought €40 for 2 nights would have been great value, but €60, no bloody chance

last year it was something like 100 bangers for a season ticket which would give you access to all IABA bouts - is this still the case?

c1979

season tickets were available for 100€

JacksonHeightsOwn

just back from event tonight

a very low key affair it has to be said, some of the fights where a wee bit dull, fight of the night was Eric Donovan vs David Oliver Joyce

Donovan dropped joyce in the first round with a sublime body shot, as usual, there was no score awarded, yet the punch dropped joyce, donovan ran away with the fight in tghe first round, he was really good in the first, and i do mean REALLY GOOD,

another notice was the hot blonde from baldoyle boxing club, Frances Rock i think?? what a lovely looking chick, and not a bad boxer either

i think the most annoying thing besides the fact that judges never award points for body punches is the referees......why do they always get overly involved in the fights?????vtoo many times there was less than 1 minute left in a fight, and only 1 point of a difference, only for the referee to jump in and waste time over something menial

i think the IABA should look into their reffing, and maybe get somebody a bit younger, and ones that could just let the fight flow

but all credit to every boxer tonight, it aint easy, and hats off to them

colly10

I was trying there to see the fights on irishsport.tv but it's not accepting my laser for some reason, anyone know of another site that has the fights. It's the novices in perticular that im interested in watching

murpheile

Was there both nights and agree with not liking it over the 2, the Friday night had a great crowd and atmosphere but Saturday was lacking on both fronts. Eric Donovan v DO Joyce was the pick of Saturday's fight, great to see Eric get fighter of the tournament. He had DO rattled in the first and was scoring at will but tired a lot and even spat out the gumshield in the last for a badly needed breather as DO closed in to 3 points (Eric got 2 quick scores after the break). Delighted to see Ray Moylette win his first senior title at only 20, and first for the Anne's club in a lot of years. Ray's defense was as impressive as ever but he did take two warnings for lack of punches thrown.

I'd love to see the McLoughlin JJJ fight again, like most people here I felt the scoring was wrong and couldn't understand how it could possibly be a draw going into the 3rd round. Willie even stumbled JJJ at one stage and didnt score.

Quick note on some of the rest, Barnes beat Jimmy Magee (as the announcer called him) easy, Darren O'Neill showed too much experience for Quigley, I was disappointed for Alan Reynolds but Con Sheehan is a great champion and nice to see us with a good heavyweight, Nevin wasnt as impressive as normal and had to come from behind to win by 2, young Molloy ran around the ring for the 3rd round when ahead , Tommy Sheehan won't want to hear about that 3rd round for a while again. KT was even more impressive the second night, her hand speed was amazing at times (KT's clubmate Debbie Rogers won the 51kgs, that girl has a scary right hand ).

As for the cost, I got a €20 euro refund the 2nd night when I showed my Friday ticket so felt €40 was very reasonable for 2 nights boxing.