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The Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack

  • 18-02-2010 6:49pm
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    Interesting Read
    The manifesto is dated today, and it even anticipated his death.
    If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?” The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

    We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”. I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

    While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

    Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

    And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

    How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is. If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

    How did I get here?

    My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

    The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

    That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

    Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

    On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

    The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

    In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

    Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

    For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

    SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

    (a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

    (d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

    (b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

    Note:

    · "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

    · "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

    · "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.



    Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

    During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”. Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

    After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

    Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

    Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a **** about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

    Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

    By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a **** about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

    To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

    So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

    When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

    This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is… well, just look around.

    I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”. Now when the wealthy **** up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

    As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

    I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

    I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of **** at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

    I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.



    The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

    The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.



    Joe Stack (1956-2010)

    02/18/2010


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    way too long


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    oh oh oh oh

    Always wanted to say this............


    TLDR.

    Zinggggg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Any chance of a summary?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Beat me to it.

    TL; DR version - guy maliciously crashed his single engine cessna into an office building earlier.

    http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=133441

    (Austin, TX) -- Federal officials believe today's plane crash into an office building in Austin, Texas, may have been intentional.
    The person who's thought to have been behind the controls of the small plane is Joseph Stack.
    It's believed Stack may have set his own home on fire before flying into the Echelon building in northern Austin.
    The building houses private businesses along with IRS offices.
    The crash inflicted heavy damage to the building, setting multiple floors aflame.
    Witnesses in the building said they felt the structure shake with the impact.
    Witnesses outside saw a huge fireball rise into the sky, followed by billowing black smoke.
    The building's facade crumbled in the inferno, and now that the fire is contained, the wreckage of a plane can be seen inside the structure.
    There are reports of two people being taken to a hospital, but there's no confirmation on their condition.\
    \
    no audio


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Sod'o swords


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    way too long

    That kind sir is indeed what she said.

    Always find it funny when poeple post 'too long', yes that's nice, then don't read it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    So it was 9/11 on a Irish scale?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    All I will say is" there goes another fcuking too tight idiot"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I just finished reading that. Feel sorry for the guy but crashing a plane into a building is not going to fix anything for anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    The summary of it is the Internal Revenue Service & politicians of all parties in the states sometimes treat people like animals & corporations like gods. The bit about the widowed granny eating catfood after her husbands pension was embezzled by a union was a bit sobering.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,239 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Heh, my brother's living there at the moment

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Great read. I don't agree with what the guy did, but as Morlar said, the bid about the old woman eating catfood was indeed sobering, so I can very well understand why he did it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Morlar wrote: »
    I just finished reading that. Feel sorry for the guy but crashing a plane into a building is not going to fix anything for anyone.

    If George W had still been in power, a far-flung country would have been invaded by now, as a result of this incident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭WIZE


    EDIT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Meh, one more dead Commie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,037 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    It is an interesting read and while it those stir sympathy in me for the plight that he went through I am under the impression that some of the claims that are made are not necessarily as he saw them. Nevertheless it is a pretty damning incitement of the way people can feel as if they are tossed into the gutter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭Dartz


    In a movie, he might be the hero....

    Funny that. It's hard not to feel sorry for the guy alright....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭ronnie3585


    If I had to read the sports news every day, I'd probably kill myself too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I just hope he rented it - or else its going to look really stupid; all because he probably couldnt afford to pay taxes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    That was a pretty weird provision in the Tax reform bill, wasnt it? Specifically it targeted engineers as contractors and no-one else.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭smegmar




    I read the whole thing and basically he's saying "The government is f_cking you over and it doesn't have to be like this"

    I think he's completely right. There is a better way to organize society in a fairer and more civilized way, but as long as we think "Meh, one more dead Commie." we're all f_cked.

    "There is none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they are free" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Way too intellectual for AH. No Offense, we're just here for the lulz.
    Mrmoe wrote: »
    It is an interesting read and while it those stir sympathy in me for the plight that he went through I am under the impression that some of the claims that are made are not necessarily as he saw them. Nevertheless it is a pretty damning incitement of the way people can feel as if they are tossed into the gutter.

    What baffles me is why he didnt just Emigrate. Its a fcuked up Capitalist-borne system, but it isn't North Korea, and you are Welcome to Leave.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    I've been watching a video called 'Hijacking Humanity' (about 3 hours long, in segments, on youtube) about the financial and tax system in North America and basically the people there are bonded slaves with the federal reserve being a private corporation which prints a sheet of dollars for a few cents then sells it to the government at face value, thereby profiting, then charging interest, which has come from out of thin air, whereby money has to found to pay interest which didn't exist thusprofiting again but creating a national debt. The income tax Americans pay goes to service this debt (tax money for other services comes from other taxed sources). This could be eliminated if the Government printed it's own dollars instead of purchasing them from the Federal Reserve.
    It's an interesting video , if you can take the time out to watch it, and it gives all the background to this guys manifesto.


    By the way, does anyone here know if same situation exists for the euro?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    MaybeLogic wrote: »
    I've been watching a video called 'Hijacking Humanity' (about 3 hours long, in segments, on youtube) about the financial and tax system in North America and basically the people there are bonded slaves with the federal reserve being a private corporation which prints a sheet of dollars for a few cents then sells it to the government at face value, thereby profiting, then charging interest, which has come from out of thin air, whereby money has to found to pay interest which didn't exist thusprofiting again but creating a national debt. The income tax Americans pay goes to service this debt (tax money for other services comes from other taxed sources). This could be eliminated if the Government printed it's own dollars instead of purchasing them from the Federal Reserve.
    It's an interesting video , if you can take the time out to watch it, and it gives all the background to this guys manifesto.


    By the way, does anyone here know if same situation exists for the euro?


    Oh god dont go on about that 'reclaiming your strawman' bull plop. I know a guy who drones on and on about this rubbish.

    And he's a loser. A Grade 'A' loser.



    You're not a loser are you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    Nah, it's my first post here, on the subject in what is a thread on that very subject, weirdly enough.
    I know a guy who always posts in threads complaining when someone posts on the subject the thread is about.
    And he's a dickhead. A Grade 'A' dickhead.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Its an interestin read, The Guy was right about the Tax System only being designed to Fvck people over, and the 2 tier society.
    you know there was a point in previous generations where people actually stood up against tyrany, but Hey, its big and clever to make Arsehole statements like 'Another Dead commie' or 'Why didnt he Just leave'

    Seriously people a lot of you Deserve what you get.

    Altho I dont agree with the guy Killing himself, as I cant see how one would consider that a Succesful outcome, I do agree with everything else he said.

    Oh BTW reclaiming your 'Straw Man' is possible, but it requires a level of comittment most people are too lazy and complacent to consider.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    Meh, one more dead Commie.

    Did you even read the thing? Just because he has a line about communism doesnt make him a 'commie'. I thought it was a good read and not really an insane manifesto. Reminded me of that film Falling Down


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Oh No, Hew was 'Crazy' and a 'Crackpot' he Just 'woldnt go along with teh flow',, Hwe was a 'Known Troublemaker', 'Unstable', 'a String of Bad Relationships', 'Was Seeing A Psychiatrist', A 'Proponent of Outlandish Conspiracies'

    Now I know feck all about the man, but expect those Buzzwords to bve circulated about him in the next 24 hours, you must all be convinced that this guy was wrong, the guy who got angry about the Lies and the corruption, the guy who tried to figth back, Yeah, HE's The Nutter, You sitting there in Blissful apathy, yeah your so clever, now Shush Gladiators is on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Oh god dont go on about that 'reclaiming your strawman' bull plop. I know a guy who drones on and on about this rubbish.

    And he's a loser. A Grade 'A' loser.



    You're not a loser are you?
    MaybeLogic wrote: »
    Nah, it's my first post here, on the subject in what is a thread on that very subject, weirdly enough.
    I know a guy who always posts in threads complaining when someone posts on the subject the thread is about.
    And he's a dickhead. A Grade 'A' dickhead.

    Both of you don't post in this thread again. We're not in 4th class anymore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭RedDragonJack


    Not an "insane manifesto", since he supported his claims with evidence. He just let it get to him to much, should've moved on instead of driving himself to do what he did. I admire people who kill themselves for what they believe in though, takes alot of strength.

    America is pretty bad from what i hear, isn't the minimum wage in most states around 5$. Thats not even enough to live off, actually i believe theres a documentary about this with the guy from supersize me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh No, Hew was 'Crazy' and a 'Crackpot' he Just 'woldnt go along with teh flow',, Hwe was a 'Known Troublemaker', 'Unstable', 'a String of Bad Relationships', 'Was Seeing A Psychiatrist', A 'Proponent of Outlandish Conspiracies'

    Now I know feck all about the man, but expect those Buzzwords to bve circulated about him in the next 24 hours, you must all be convinced that this guy was wrong, the guy who got angry about the Lies and the corruption, the guy who tried to figth back, Yeah, HE's The Nutter, You sitting there in Blissful apathy, yeah your so clever, now Shush Gladiators is on.

    He wasnt wrong. There are systems in place designed to make the rich rich and keep the poor poor.

    He's still a bit cracked for committing Kamikazee. He could have very easily Emigrated, and gone somewhere else, or retreated into fine American Wilderness and lived off the grid.

    He's not crazy for going against the grain, but he was obsessed. At some point in his life (and you can see it in his manifesto) it wasnt about living a good life for him anymore he chose to dedicate himself to that cause even if it meant his life. And, fortunately for him, he may in all probability be very successful in that endeavor. And so I am sure Tax Reform will be the next big thing. After all the other big things. Like Bank and Credit Reform, Healthcare Reform, etc. etc. .................................

    Keep an eye on the Conservative sphere though the next few days. He's going to be denounced by many elements for the brash way in which he took his life (and that of others?)

    Theres so much wrong with Society - all society - its hard to pick one thing to go sleepless over. So I just dont ****ing bother. More video games, please.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Theres so much wrong with Society - all society - its hard to pick one thing to go sleepless over. So I just dont ****ing bother. More video games, please.

    You Say that as if Your proud of your Apathy and inaction.

    I fight,and I will continue to fight, it means that I am in court on average 3-5 times a year arguing against some Trumped up statute that most people just resignedly accept, But I WONT accept it, if something is Wrong then its our duty and responsibility to Fix it, not to throw our hands up in the air and Say, 'Oh its all too hard'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You Say that as if Your proud of your Apathy and inaction.

    I fight,and I will continue to fight, it means that I am in court on average 3-5 times a year arguing against some Trumped up statute that most people just resignedly accept, But I WONT accept it, if something is Wrong then its our duty and responsibility to Fix it, not to throw our hands up in the air and Say, 'Oh its all too hard'
    Well, theres 'Activists' and everyone else.

    Its not like I've never donated to charities or volunteered or voted or badgered a company for hours on end to get them to live up to their end of a fair bargain, but with so many battles you need to pick and choose. I probably draw a line somewhere between plane-bombing the IRS and becoming Batman.

    Thats not to say I dont respect and admire the guy who goes to the courts 5 times a year to address the little things that need to be addressed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    Why, thats what I cant understand, How do ye people sleep at night, how do you look each other in the eye, knowing in your hearts that you are Abysmal failures, Its peoples willingness to accept the Sh t Sandwich, to smile politley as you are being raped and to ask if they want to do it again, 'sorry if my screaming put you off your stroke, I'll be quieter this time'

    People say that I'm a wierdo Because I refuse to accept things the way they are, all my life people have chided me to just go with the flow, keep the head down and mind your own business.

    Its because of that attitude that we are in this current mess, and unless people start waking up we are going to remain in the Sh1t.


    Really People , pull yer f ckin heads in, its only **** because we let it be


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Its because of that attitude that we are in this current mess, and unless people start waking up we are going to remain in the Sh1t.

    I'm sorry, what the hell are you talking about?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭gonnaplayrugby


    Why, thats what I cant understand, How do ye people sleep at night, how do you look each other in the eye, knowing in your hearts that you are Abysmal failures, Its peoples willingness to accept the Sh t Sandwich, to smile politley as you are being raped and to ask if they want to do it again, 'sorry if my screaming put you off your stroke, I'll be quieter this time'

    People say that I'm a wierdo Because I refuse to accept things the way they are, all my life people have chided me to just go with the flow, keep the head down and mind your own business.

    Its because of that attitude that we are in this current mess, and unless people start waking up we are going to remain in the Sh1t.


    Really People , pull yer f ckin heads in, its only **** because we let it be

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    An absolute bellend right here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,676 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    An absolute bellend right here.

    Why exactly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    Great read, fair play to him


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭Mahatma coat


    m@cc@ wrote: »
    I'm sorry, what the hell are you talking about?
    Its the bury the head in the sand, 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that seems to prevail nowadays, it seems that most people dont want to rock the boat, succesive governments erode our civil liberties and generally sh t on us from a great height, Because they know they can, they know that most people will bend over and take it.

    i


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    Its the bury the head in the sand, 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that seems to prevail nowadays, it seems that most people dont want to rock the boat, succesive governments erode our civil liberties and generally sh t on us from a great height, Because they know they can, they know that most people will bend over and take it.

    i

    What civil liberties are you talking about?

    What or who is shítting on us from a great height.?

    Look there are thousands of 'angry young men' about the place who 'want to do something' ,support some flyblown sandblasted cause,because they think they can 'make a difference'.

    Reality is of course,that all they are are boring people with a feeling of paranoia who rather than get off their fat arses feel they are 'entitled ' to everything.

    I have come across way too many of the litagateous cranks who rather than enjoying life seek to make others a misery.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I had to laugh at a lot of the American reporting... "O' he was nuts"
    (Not according even close to it, said his friends, just angry)

    The long tirade of text that he left behind showed the pissed off thoughts of a man that had enough and decided to go out with a bang.
    For sure, no fully sane person would probably do what Stack did but I doubt he was anything to what could be called "fully certifiable"
    ...just one pissed off person who vented his anger first on paper - then on a building.

    Its too easy and a kop-out ("he was insane") for those even partly responsible to say "well we mightn't have helped the situation!"
    People seem to forget it all too often but "Ye reap as ye sow..."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 252 ✭✭plissken


    Reminds me a lot of the story of this guy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer

    Although with somewhat less flair


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    Sucks to be him, he didnt even manage to kill anyone. Even in death hes a failure. Typical commie ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭MadPatrick


    Fair play to the guy. I think they found 2 bodies, hopefully no more.

    He was mad as hell and he didn't want to take it any more...in 1984. The dude needed to relax, but he had alot of very valid points in his blog manifesto.

    We wouldn't be reading this if he didn't do something high profile. Hopefully people will read his words and stand up to the US.

    I won't hold my breath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    I admire people who kill themselves for what they believe in though, takes alot of strength..
    Dartz wrote: »
    It's hard not to feel sorry for the guy alright....
    CiaranC wrote: »
    Great read, fair play to him
    MadPatrick wrote: »
    Fair play to the guy. I think they found 2 bodies, hopefully no more.


    :confused: Two bodies.... innocent people in medical care with serious burns etc... but yeah well done him!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 453 ✭✭gonnaplayrugby


    the mad world of boards.ie. full of weirdo types like your man. doesn't suprise me tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    I felt sorry for him having read his document but now knowing that he killed an innocent person as well as himself there is no sympathy. He did not take out anyone who sets the policies he disagree with - he killed a lowly office worker and presumably one he had never even met and who had a family etc.

    I think it's inaccurate for the media to dismiss him as a loony. Anyone who commits suicide is not well but that doesn't make them insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭m@cc@


    Its the bury the head in the sand, 'I'm alright Jack' attitude that seems to prevail nowadays, it seems that most people dont want to rock the boat, succesive governments erode our civil liberties and generally sh t on us from a great height, Because they know they can, they know that most people will bend over and take it.

    i


    What 'current mess' were you referring to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭Pittens


    An absolute bellend right here.

    reported. I also reported that most of your posting is ad hominems. Including the next comment in this very thread.

    I tend to admire Mahatma Coat acutally. But I wouldnt do it, and that explains why I get screwed over.

    Take this. Living in England renters pay council tax. I paid the first installment for the house ( online) in October, and waited for a reminder. Depite paing online no reminder came online.

    Just two days ago all 3 people in the house were summoned to court for non-payment. this is clearly just a bullying tactic as we can pay it off online and not go. However the costs ( what costs? The letter) are now £55 extra.

    I didnt get a reminder. Neither did anybody else in this house. But we all get the summons.

    On the reverese of the summons it says wer can despute the charges if we didnt get the reminder but we cant just say we didnt get the reminder, but prove that it wasnt sent. So I called up the authority and they said they sent it. We know they didn't. There is clearly no natural justice here - we have to prove they are lying. Not possible in Court where the law stipulates that their proof ( their records) overrides our claims to the contrary.

    I think that the council does this deliberately.

    I will probably pay it. I should set up a website, or write to the local papers asking if other's have seen this ( I mean how could three letters go missing).

    but I am meek so I wont. So I admire Mahatma Court.


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    Pittens wrote: »
    On the reverese of the summons it says wer can despute the charges if we didnt get the reminder but we cant just say we didnt get the reminder, but prove that it wasnt sent. So I called up the authority and they said they sent it. We know they didn't. There is clearly no natural justice here - we have to prove they are lying. Not possible in Court where the law stipulates that their proof ( their records) overrides our claims to the contrary.

    I think that the council does this deliberately.

    I will probably pay it. I should set up a website, or write to the local papers asking if other's have seen this ( I mean how could three letters go missing).

    You should send them a link to yer mans manifesto. With a winking smiley ;)


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