Leaving Certificate Fees 2010

Cathal93

Hey all, really excited, speaking on the Gerry Ryan Show tomorrow morning bout the Leaving cert fees this year

109 for normal
283 for repeats

Am i the only one who finds this really high??

why are repeats paying more? they being punished for making a mistake?
I do 9 subjects atm, my brother does 6, we pay exact same figure, why is this?

Love to hear everyones views on this topic!!

aoifeX

ya while i think everyone should have to pay the 109 euro for them i think that charging repeats that much more is a disgrace!
theres a good chance il be repeating next year ( need 560:rolleyes:) and while i would have no bother paying the 109 euro i wouldnt be happy to pay the 280 or whatever it is!

i do 9 subjects aswell and it doesnt make sense that i get charged less than a repeat who would usually only do 6!

Cathal93

Exactly! And they put these costs on us, cause its hard enough for us to complain when we're busy with the leaving!

Trying to think of as many points as I can for Gerry tomorrow!

pathway33

and if you repeat as an external candidate it's €308

1 subject external repeat = €109
2 subjects external repeat = €199
3 subjects external repeat = €308
4 subjects external repeat = €308
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So it's an extra €90 for the second subject but and extra €109 for the third subject. Are these figures right? http://www.examinations.ie/index.php?l=en&mc=ex&sc=ef

but if the student or their parents/guardian have a medical card then it's free

what about the €40 to appeal

grrrrrrrrrr

aoifeX wrote: »

ya while i think everyone should have to pay the 109 euro for them i think that charging repeats that much more is a disgrace!
theres a good chance il be repeating next year ( need 560:rolleyes:) and while i would have no bother paying the 109 euro i wouldnt be happy to pay the 280 or whatever it is!

i do 9 subjects aswell and it doesnt make sense that i get charged less than a repeat who would usually only do 6!

Repeats pay more because 1st timers are subsidised! repeats then pay the full belt because they dont get subsidised the secoond time, which is fair enough!!

And FYI dont make the point that poor people cant pay this much cause if you've a medical card you dont have to pay for the exams!

and just another point: if your going on slagging teachers and the dept ask the researchers can you use a false name!!

Lawliet

283? Wow, no one told me it would be that high. And I'm probably right in assuming that this isn't included in the other fee repeats had to pay last October.

I can understand them charging us more because we've done the leaving cert before, but 174 euro extra seems excessive. Especially considering that a lot of repeats -myself included- aren't getting their fees paid by their parents this time round. I don't know where I'm going to get the money for this.

grrrrrrrrrr

pathway33 wrote: »

what about the €40 to appeal

the 40 for the appeal is fair enough cause you get it back if there was a mistake!! sure if it was free EVERYONE would have EVERY exam checked!!

Cathal93

How does the government expect us to pay such high figures? Where is the breakdown in where are money is going?

6 subjects :109
my 9 subjects: 109

What do I get 3 free for the craic?

Mr. 6 subjects, I'd imagine, wont be happy with that?

And 283 for repeats, or 308 as you mentioned, sure of course lets just punish those who made mistakes, sure its terrible that people are human, and broke down under pressure...

grrrrrrrrrr

Cathal93 wrote: »

How does the government expect us to pay such high figures? Where is the breakdown in where are money is going?

6 subjects :109
my 9 subjects: 109

What do I get 3 free for the craic?

Mr. 6 subjects, I'd imagine, wont be happy with that?

And 283 for repeats, or 308 as you mentioned, sure of course lets just punish those who made mistakes, sure its terrible that people are human, and broke down under pressure...

Its easier to just charge the blanket fee!!

sure it'd be tough enough to charge everyone a diff fee!! sure theres two maths papers and one biology paper, do you charge more for that??

do you charge more for woodwork when you've to send an inspector out to the school to grade the projects??

pathway33

I presume if someone wanted to do 20 subjects that would also be €109

Cathal93

Someone could probably do em all...still only 109?

So how does this balance up?

pathway33

Cathal93 wrote: »

Someone could probably do em all...still only 109?

So how does this balance up?

wonder what the irish record is? Put out the call tomorrow. Maybe someone could have a crack at the world record. I think there's over 30 subjects altogether.

'What did ya get in your leaving?'
'30 OD3's '

Cathal93

trying really to think of as many points i can make to Gerry on the show tomorrow!

spurious

The fee candidates are charged does not come close to covering the costs of running the exams.

H2student

pathway33 wrote: »

wonder what the irish record is? Put out the call tomorrow. Maybe someone could have a crack at the world record. I think there's over 30 subjects altogether.

'What did ya get in your leaving?'
'30 OD3's '

or even more impressive all HD3 < that might not be that bad :P

pathway33

H2student wrote: »

or even more impressive all HD3 < that might not be that bad :P

that means you'd have to be pretty fluent in irish, english, french, spanish, italian, german, latin, ancient greek, hebrew, russian and japanese. Not bad for a 17 year old

H2student

If I didn't send out my subjects form already, I would say "is that a bet?"

pathway33

H2student wrote: »

If I didn't send out my subjects form already, I would say "is that a bet?"

€10 says you can't do 30 HD3's in 2011

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pathway33 wrote: »

that means you'd have to be pretty fluent in irish, english, french, spanish, italian, german, latin, ancient greek, hebrew, russian and japanese. Not bad for a 17 year old

can you imagine how tired you'd be after the two weeks in june?? you'd go on the piss till sept!! well you'd be doing your mmocks till june anyway......

implausible

While the fee may seem high, I don't see what the big fuss is about. It costs a fortune to run the exams and the fee is heavily subsidised e.g. LC HL Irish scripts cost €27 to correct; that's without the costs of printing exam papers and answerbooks, paying a superintendent, paying the assistants, scribes and readers, the postage and transport, having a school open, setting the actual paper and paying the staff in the State Exams Commission.

In fairness, you'll have to pay to sit exams in college. Any driving test isn't free. These things cost money to run.

I would also imagine that anything up to 50% of all students are exempt (anyone got any figures?) from paying this fee due to being medical card holders.

I've a strange feeling that Gerry Ryan won't be discussing the price of the 'Leaving Cert holiday' or the debs or there won't be a thread on it here:rolleyes:

grrrrrrrrrr

deemark wrote: »

While the fee may seem high, I don't see what the big fuss is about. It costs a fortune to run the exams and the fee is heavily subsidised e.g. LC HL Irish scripts cost €27 to correct; that's without the costs of printing exam papers and answerbooks, paying a superintendent, paying the assistants, scribes and readers, the postage and transport, having a school open, setting the actual paper and paying the staff in the State Exams Commission.

In fairness, you'll have to pay to sit exams in college. Any driving test isn't free. These things cost money to run.

I would also imagine that anything up to 50% of all students are exempt (anyone got any figures?) from paying this fee due to being medical card holders.

I've a strange feeling that Gerry Ryan won't be discussing the price of the 'Leaving Cert holiday' or the debs or there won't be a thread on it here:rolleyes:

A summary of the points i made that are being ignored!!
Someone should ring the "ryan line" on the other side of the debate!!

Lawliet

grrrrrrrrrr wrote: »

A summary of the points i made that are being ignored!!
Someone should ring the "ryan line" on the other side of the debate!!

What other side of the debate? That people who already can't afford these fees should be charged more? And it's not that easy to get hold of a medical card, especially not these days.

Cathal93

deemark wrote: »

While the fee may seem high, I don't see what the big fuss is about. It costs a fortune to run the exams and the fee is heavily subsidised e.g. LC HL Irish scripts cost €27 to correct; that's without the costs of printing exam papers and answerbooks, paying a superintendent, paying the assistants, scribes and readers, the postage and transport, having a school open, setting the actual paper and paying the staff in the State Exams Commission.

In fairness, you'll have to pay to sit exams in college. Any driving test isn't free. These things cost money to run.

I would also imagine that anything up to 50% of all students are exempt (anyone got any figures?) from paying this fee due to being medical card holders.

I've a strange feeling that Gerry Ryan won't be discussing the price of the 'Leaving Cert holiday' or the debs or there won't be a thread on it here:rolleyes:

Lets see Deemark, wonder if you would be so acceptant of these payments if your parents were earning a low wage, like so many people in this country. Fact of the matter is we pay 109 euro for these exams, an increase from 97 from last year. Now tell me its fair that politicians of this country earning an almost minimum of 95000 euro in this country, who are considering lowering the minimum wage in this country, can demand us to give them this money this year.

highlydebased

deemark wrote: »

In fairness, you'll have to pay to sit exams in college. Any driving test isn't free. These things cost money to run.

The driving test is a different story altogether- doesnt cost the RSA 70 euro to put someone in a car and "assess" someone's driving for 20 minutes, personally I think its just a money spinner but thats a different story

For what you get/do for the LC 109 euro is a fair price. You have to do orals, practicals which cost money to administer, plus the actual costs of printing and distributing papers which must be huge I'd imagine.

felic

Thats a disgrace! Especially seeing as this year, 1 in 2 of every applicant is not going to get their third level place and may be forced to repeat!

Its becoming all about the money again. So you have this LC exam fee, you also have the fee for the CAO application. Students going for Medicine have the HPAT fee! Why repeating students are being forced to pay so much more is really dumbfounding! Its not their fault that the points access levels for some of the courses out there are at crazy levels and missing a course by 5 points forced you into having to repeat the entire year?

Something is so so wrong with the Education System here.

Cathal93

How can the fee increase by 12.5% this year? Doesnt the public sector pay of the correction and exam attending, orals and practical assesors get the most from this pay? Yet arent public sector worker's pay down this year? Please could someone explain??

implausible

Lawliet wrote: »

And it's not that easy to get hold of a medical card, especially not these days.

I beg to differ, the number of medical card holders is increasing in line with the number of those on the dole.

Cathal93 wrote: »

Fact of the matter is we pay 109 euro for these exams, an increase from 97 from last year. Now tell me its fair that politicians of this country earning an almost minimum of 95000 euro in this country, who are considering lowering the minimum wage in this country, can demand us to give them this money this year.

This fee has always been there! It has gone up by €12, an increase which didn't just come in lately. It has always cost money to sit the exams. Where is the outrage about the cutbacks in our schools-the cut in the pupil-teacher ratio, SNA allocation, the grant cuts for LCA, TY and other programmes, book schemes and the increase in school transport costs? As for politicians, what have they got to do with it? It's not as if there was a big vote in the Dail about LC fees.

felic wrote: »

Why repeating students are being forced to pay so much more is really dumbfounding! Its not their fault that the points access levels for some of the courses out there are at crazy levels and missing a course by 5 points forced you into having to repeat the entire year.

EVERY repeat student didn't miss out by 5 points through no fault of their own! Repeating is a choice, you are using the system a second time. The extra fee is meant to be a minor disincentive. Wait until you get to third level - to repeat there brings you from 'free' one year to the full cost of the year's tuition on the repeat.

Lawliet

deemark wrote: »

I beg to differ, the number of medical card holders is increasing in line with the number of those on the dole.

Considering how those in full-time education can't actually sign on for the dole, and therefore aren't automatically eligible for the medical card, your point is a bit irrelevant.

implausible

Lawliet wrote: »

Considering how those in full-time education can't actually sign on for the dole, and therefore aren't automatically eligible for the medical card, your point is a bit irrelevant.

Most of the posters here are complaining that it's a big expense on their parents, so it's the parents' circumstances I was referring to, which makes it relevant to the majority of LC students. Once you were entitled to a medical card under your parents, it's not difficult to get your own once you turn 18.

Fad

felic wrote: »

Thats a disgrace! Especially seeing as this year, 1 in 2 of every applicant is not going to get their third level place and may be forced to repeat!

Not everyone who does the leaving wants to progress to 3rd level.

grrrrrrrrrr

Lawliet wrote: »

What other side of the debate? That people who already can't afford these fees should be charged more? And it's not that easy to get hold of a medical card, especially not these days.

the side of the debate that these fees are completely ripping people off! may parents arent rich by anyway at all. my mother isnt even in the minimun wage! but i pay cause its fair!


theres someone in our school this year who didnt do her mocks cause she wouldnt pay for them!! what a joke like

Cathal93

deemark wrote: »

This fee has always been there! It has gone up by €12, an increase which didn't just come in lately. It has always cost money to sit the exams. Where is the outrage about the cutbacks in our schools-the cut in the pupil-teacher ratio, SNA allocation, the grant cuts for LCA, TY and other programmes, book schemes and the increase in school transport costs? As for politicians, what have they got to do with it? It's not as if there was a big vote in the Dail about LC fees.QUOTE]

I'm also angry about the cut backs, sna allocation etc, but you tackle one problem at a time. And you've just answered my question. It is the politicians fault, where is the big vote in the Dail, where is the decrease in costs, especially when everyone is struggling to meet basic payments? Not everyone can avail of a medical card, yet may struggle greatly in making these payments

grrrrrrrrrr

Cathal93 wrote: »

deemark wrote: »

This fee has always been there! It has gone up by €12, an increase which didn't just come in lately. It has always cost money to sit the exams. Where is the outrage about the cutbacks in our schools-the cut in the pupil-teacher ratio, SNA allocation, the grant cuts for LCA, TY and other programmes, book schemes and the increase in school transport costs? As for politicians, what have they got to do with it? It's not as if there was a big vote in the Dail about LC fees.QUOTE]

I'm also angry about the cut backs, sna allocation etc, but you tackle one problem at a time. And you've just answered my question. It is the politicians fault, where is the big vote in the Dail, where is the decrease in costs, especially when everyone is struggling to meet basic payments? Not everyone can avail of a medical card, yet may struggle greatly in making these payments

the gov subsidise it heavily! of course its gone up, the country is in the ****!!

im sure if you went to your school and told them you couldnt pay they would sort it out for you

grrrrrrrrrr

gemxpink wrote: »

Honestly don't blame her. Was tempted to do this myself, had to pull the money out of thin air.

Why can't medical card holders be exempt of the mocks fees too? Ridiculous that you can be exempt from the state exams but have to pay for the mocks. It should be an all or nothing pay for both of pay for neither.

Well i suppose the biggest joke wit her was that she went to the institute in Dub last year, tats about 6k right?

the school cant pay for everything like.. the school would surely let you pay it off on a weekly basis or something like?

someone has to pay it..

i know thats prob the last thing you want to hear!!

grrrrrrrrrr

gemxpink wrote: »

She probably got a grant or something from her parents employers, they can do that sometimes.

I understand that someone has to pay it but I know that our school was insistent on you bringing in the €100 odd euro or whatever it was by the Friday before the mocks and if you didn't bring it in in full you couldn't sit them. I'm sure you could arrange it but most schools seem to be fairly 'pay in full now or you lose your chance'.

Its a balls really like but no teacher or principal wants to see someone who genuinely does have the money not pay!

Like i heard it was costing our school in the region of 20k for our mocks! if everyone didnt pay or even 30% didnt itd be a big hit for them! they have to be strict but im sure theyd be reasonable!!

**Timbuk2**

That whole idea of schools charging for mocks just annoys me. It's a complete farce. In my school, we don't pay anything for the mocks (although it might be included in the €50 stationery fee at the start of the year) and the teachers themselves correct the papers (the papers are DEB, by the way).

It's a much fairer system, as the mocks are a huge expense for parents, especially considering that they are so badly organised, that the questions can be often unusual, that it is so easy to get the paper of your friends or off the internet, and that the correcting standards (if they are sent away) aren't in keeping with that of the real SEC.

It is also my opinion that the mocks are too early, mid-March (when I have my Applied Maths mock!) is a more suitable time, as the course will be covered and there would be no need for teachers to replace questions etc.

Edit: The Gerry Ryan Show is on from 9-12 tomorrow morning. Do you know what time they will be talking about the LC Fees? I would be interested in listening to it. Thanks

grrrrrrrrrr

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

That whole idea of schools charging for mocks just annoys me. It's a complete farce. In my school, we don't pay anything for the mocks (although it might be included in the €50 stationery fee at the start of the year) and the teachers themselves correct the papers (the papers are DEB, by the way).

It's a much fairer system, as the mocks are a huge expense for parents, especially considering that they are so badly organised, that the questions can be often unusual, that it is so easy to get the paper of your friends or off the internet, and that the correcting standards (if they are sent away) aren't in keeping with that of the real SEC.

It is also my opinion that the mocks are too early, mid-March (when I have my Applied Maths mock!) is a more suitable time, as the course will be covered and there would be no need for teachers to replace questions etc.

Edit: The Gerry Ryan Show is on from 9-12 tomorrow morning. Do you know what time they will be talking about the LC Fees? I would be interested in listening to it. Thanks

here here

I agree here but some teachers are retarded in fairness and couldnt correct them even if they were getting paid. like with english and irish where the making scheme isnt 3 marks for this minus 1 fot that. some teachers are poor but by right the companies are a scam really like!!

sure you could correct biology and chem anyway yourself and maybe even maths if it came to it!

Offside

To be honest I think the price is fair enough - the exams are extremely costly to run and if you can't pay it you don't have to. Failing one exam in ucd incurs a 230 euro repeat fee, more than the fee for repeating students to sit 6+ in the LC.

Cathal93

The Gerry Ryan show people will be talking to me tomorrow, they said today that theyd ring me round 9 30 or so, aswel they said people are more than welcome to voice their opinions be it for me or against me!

grrrrrrrrrr

Cathal93 wrote: »

The Gerry Ryan show people will be talking to me tomorrow, they said today that theyd ring me round 9 30 or so, aswel they said people are more than welcome to voice their opinions be it for me or against me!

let us know at half nine a more precise time that you'll be going on!!

implausible

good luck OP:)

pathway33

Let rip OP. Whatever you do, don't hold back. The researchers may give you a reminder about no bad language or obscenitys (ies?). Obey them at your peril.

Best of luck

grrrrrrrrrr

Ya good luck!! dont makean arse of yourself!! ha

grrrrrrrrrr

were you on yet??

**Timbuk2**

I don't think so! I'll keep listening out to see. Do you have any updated idea about when you will be on?

grrrrrrrrrr

**Timbuk2** wrote: »

I don't think so! I'll keep listening out to see. Do you have any updated idea about when you will be on?

he doesnt seem on boards anyway this morning!! maybe he slept in!

couldnt sleep wit the excitment last night and just fell asleep last nightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

grrrrrrrrrr

right dont think hes gonna be on.... scammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Cathal93

There was a discussion today on the show bout how a presenter in england helped a friend die, and this kind of dominated the programme today. I got a call round 11 saying that they didnt want to put this topic on a day where it was to be dominated by something else. So Alice from the Gerry Ryan Show team said I'll be on tomorrow or Friday.

So no scam :P And the debate about it can continue!

I got a call from her this morning at 8 20, so I suppose I'll get one of those either thursday or Friday, whichever day I'm on, so I'll post it here then!

Cathal93

I think btw that this thread does show that people care about this subject...so more opinions please

grrrrrrrrrr

Cathal93 wrote: »

There was a discussion today on the show bout how a presenter in england helped a friend die, and this kind of dominated the programme today. I got a call round 11 saying that they didnt want to put this topic on a day where it was to be dominated by something else. So Alice from the Gerry Ryan Show team said I'll be on tomorrow or Friday.

So no scam :P And the debate about it can continue!

I got a call from her this morning at 8 20, so I suppose I'll get one of those either thursday or Friday, whichever day I'm on, so I'll post it here then!

Let us know when your going on so

cheers

Cathal93

I will of course,,,

just think it would be cool if this debate continued aswel