my team for england game

sting60

Assuming current squad is fit. 15 earls 14 bowe 13o driscoll 12 darcy 11trimble 10 sexton 9 redden 1 healy 2 best 3 court 4 cullen 5 oconnell 6 ferris 7 wallace 8 heaslip. bench...hayes,wallace,horgan ,ryan,mc laughlin, stringer,kearney,flannery.other

danthefan

9 subs?

JustinDee

sting60 wrote: »

Assuming current squad is fit. 15 earls 14 bowe 13o driscoll 12 darcy 11trimble 10 sexton 9 redden 1 healy 2 best 3 court 4 cullen 5 oconnell 6 ferris 7 wallace 8 heaslip. bench...hayes,wallace,horgan ,ryan,mc laughlin, stringer,kearney,flannery.other

Too many subs.
Kearney won't be available.
Flannery most likely won't be there.

I'd say O'Leary will start as will Hayes.
Hopefully Trimble will be available too.
I'd have O'Brien as sub backrower.

Riskymove

1 Healy
2 Flannery (if out then Best but worried about fitness, Fogarty to bench)
3 Hayes
4 POC
5 Cullen (DOC to bench if fit, might as well keep this good pairing going now)
6 Ferris
7 Wallace (O'Brien to feature for some game time)
8 Heaslip

9 Reddan (time to give a new half-back pairing a go, even though I am not convinced about Reddan)
10 Sexton

11 Trimble (if fit, if not looks like we'll be down to Dowling or similar unless they recall Horgan)
12 D'Arcy
13 BOD
14 Bowe
15 Earls (if Kearney out as it seems)

16 Best/Fogarty
17 Court
18 DOC/Ryan
19 O'Brien
20 TOL
21 ROG
22 ??? - dependson fitness really, Wallace I suppose but Horgan should be in the squad if people dont recover

we are really underwhlemed at winger at this point, especially if Trimble not fit


If Horgan is brought in I'd go for Bowe to full back with Trimble and Horgan on wings and Earls on bench (as he can cover all positions)

JustinDee

JustinDee wrote: »

I'd say O'Leary will start

He simply cant. After that shocker on Saturday there is no way he should start. Lousy box kicks and taking an eternity to pass should rule him out. It should be Reddan and Sexon/O'Gara for Engerland.

Riskymove

Deleted User wrote: »

He simply cant. . It should be Reddan and Sexon/O'Gara for Engerland.

well I'd actually prefer to see Boss in, but if its sexton at 10 I can imagine it'll be Reddan rather than Boss

chupacabra

I have a feeling TOL will start as well. I would drop him from the 22 and bring boss in, but something tells me TOL will start against England.

PhatPiggins

How fit is Cullen?

I'd bring in Horgan if only for one game. Seems to relish playing against English teams and we can expect an aerial bombardment if Earls is at 15.

I think its time to start a petition to get Mike Ross some game time at Leinster

JustinDee

PhatPiggins wrote: »

How fit is Cullen?

Will be fine for the Twick apparently

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I'd bring in Horgan if only for one game. Seems to relish playing against English teams and we can expect an aerial bombardment if Earls is at 15

Horgan was apparently carrying a knock last week.

stephen_n

In fairness to TOl and I would not be a fan of him as a player, it would be hard for any scrumhalf to look good behind a pack on the back foot all afternoon, don't think Reddan will be the answer if we are under (probably will be) as much pressure in Twickenham as he has looked decidedly dodgy when the Leinster pack were going backwards this season. Strings or Boss in to at least speed up the distribution.

PhatPiggins

JustinDee wrote: »

Will be fine for the Twick apparently


Horgan was apparently carrying a knock last week.

Kidney is really keeping the injury news quiet before and after games.

I wouldn't be as worried about the English pack to be honest. Tim Payne is probably the worst non Irish prop in the tournament and Dan Cole has even less experience then Healy. I'd have us ahead in both the second and back rows.

JustinDee

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Kidney is really keeping the injury news quiet before and after games

Was all in a press release sent out yesterday.

Mr.Applepie

JustinDee wrote: »

Horgan was apparently carrying a knock last week.

That really doesn't leave us with many proven international wingers:

Bowe - Obvious choice
Trimble - Good defensively but questions over his attack
Earls - Looks good going forward but defensively weak and shaky under the highball (I've been saying this for about a year and I'm surprised more teams don't bombard him with highballs... prehaps they are afraid of what he can do if he catches it)
Horgan - In great form but can he play @ 11 as well as he plays at 14 because I don't see him getting in ahead of Bowe.
Dowling - He's not HCup standard so he shouldn't be near the international team
J. Murphy - I don't watch much GP so don't know how good he is.
Carr - Hard to find a connaught game televised but I thought he looked good in the A game recently. Would be a very big step though.

Anyone have a miracle cure for Luke Fitzgerald?

twinytwo

tis a pitty warrick cant play for ireland.

Its unfair to ask earls to play 15 but we may not have a choice. As for him under the highball he is better than most.

What about bowe at fb and horgan on the wing?

The paper was right Kearney is the one player we cant do without.

jimmybeige

I think I'd put Bowe to FB rather than have earls there. He seems a lot more confident with high balls than Earls currently, who had a bit of a confidence knock on Saturday. Not questioning his ability but it would be unfair to ask him to go ito FB I think, as you know JW would target him from the start.

I don't see anything wrong with Trimble's attack. His defence on the wing has been questioned a bit in the past, and he has a real lack of kicking ability for an international winger which I'd say is his biggest problem. Been in flying form for Ulster though anytime I've seen him recently!

danthefan

Healy
Best
Court
DOC/Cullen
POC
Wallace (with SOB to get 30 mins)
Ferris
Heaslip
Reddan/Boss
Sexton
Timble
D'Arcy
BOD
Horgan
Bowe

Flannery/Cronin, Hayes, DOC/Cullen, SOB, Reddan/Boss, ROG, Earls

thebaz

Healy
Best
Court
Cullen
POC
SOB
Ferris
Heaslip
Reddan
Sexton
Bowe
D'Arcy
BOD
Horgan
Earls

I'm sure Bowe could switch wings, and Horgan just brings something special - also assuming Kearney unfit

sting60

twinytwo wrote: »

tis a pitty warrick cant play for ireland.

Its unfair to ask earls to play 15 but we may not have a choice. As for him under the highball he is better than most.

What about bowe at fb and horgan on the wing?

The paper was right Kearney is the one player we cant do without.

warrick what a player.earls to run at a very static English defence.Kearney not for me.trimble going forward or horgan for big hits as winger and third center.the team i picked is very mobile and should have the legs of a very mundane English set up,its not the most beefy back division.

WeleaseWoderick

danthefan wrote: »

Healy
Best
Court
DOC/Cullen
POC
Wallace (with SOB to get 30 mins)
Ferris
Heaslip
Reddan/Boss
Sexton
Timble
D'Arcy
BOD
Horgan
Bowe

Flannery/Cronin, Hayes, DOC/Cullen, SOB, Reddan/Boss, ROG, Earls

The exact same as I would go for. Think Horgan has to come in if Kearney is unfit.

WeeBushy

Is Geordan Murphy not fit? If he is I'd have him at FB.

I would be terrified of Earls at 15 defensively and under the high ball, especially with Wilkinson's kicking game at OH (presuming the Italy game was a blip).

PhatPiggins wrote: »

I think its time to start a petition to get Mike Ross some game time at Leinster

Wasn't it said here that he has clocked up more playing time than any other prop for Leinster this season?

bamboozle

thebaz wrote: »

Healy
Best
Court
Cullen
POC
SOB
Ferris
Heaslip
Reddan
Sexton
Bowe
D'Arcy
BOD
Horgan
Earls

I'm sure Bowe could switch wings, and Horgan just brings something special - also assuming Kearney unfit

i'd have this team except with Bowe at 15 and Earls at 11. Time to give SOB and Court 60 minutes of championship rugby.

Riskymove

WeeBushy wrote: »

Is Geordan Murphy not fit? If he is I'd have him at FB.

he's not

is Dempsey?

I would be terrified of Earls at 15 defensively and under the high ball, especially with Wilkinson's kicking game at OH (presuming the Italy game was a blip).

I wouldn't be tbh; he's only really had one bad day for dropping balls and that was in the Lions game

even kearney had that bad day for dropping for Leinster recently

in any event I think Bowe to Full back is the move i'd make

thehighground

Riskymove wrote: »

he's not

is Dempsey?

I wouldn't be tbh; he's only really had one bad day for dropping balls and that was in the Lions game

even kearney had that bad day for dropping for Leinster recently

in any event I think Bowe to Full back is the move i'd make

Problem with Bowe & Trimble is that neither of them have any sort of a kicking game. And I don't think Trimble is much good under a high ball either. Bowe was fairly quite against france - might be time to give him a rest and bring on Shaggy who has such good memories of Twickenham.

I also think I would prefer to see Geordan Murphy at fullback in Twickhenham (lots of good memories there for Leicester) - its a real pity that he is only coming back from injury.

d'Oracle

George Hook just suggested Gavin Duffy.

Or G-duff, in the parlance.

PhatPiggins

WeeBushy wrote: »

Is Geordan Murphy not fit? If he is I'd have him at FB.

I would be terrified of Earls at 15 defensively and under the high ball, especially with Wilkinson's kicking game at OH (presuming the Italy game was a blip).



Wasn't it said here that he has clocked up more playing time than any other prop for Leinster this season?

Has he? I thougt he was effectively tird choive TH at Leinster, tough I suppose Wright and Van Der Linde have been injured a bit

anonymous_joe

My side would be:

1. Healy
2. Best (Flannery'll be lucky to play again in this 6N)
3. Court, Ross or Buckle

4. Cullen/Casey/DOC
5. POC/Cullen

6. Ferris
7. Wallace
8. Heaslip

9. Reddan
10. Sexton

11. Blank
12. D'Arcy
13. BOD
14. Horgan

15. Blank

16. Cronin
17. Probably Buckley/Court
18. Whatever second row doesn't start
19. Sean O'Brien
20. Isaac Boss
21. O'Gara
22. Blank

The reason Bowe's not in the side is that he'd be either 11 or 15, depending on whose fit at full back.

O'Leary and Earls are both dropped from my squad, though for different reasons. O'Leary's been muck a lot of this season, and was crippingly bad on Saturday. If he plays, our backs won't get any good ball. Earls meanwhile, is being appallingly badly used, and if he has any confidence left it'll be a bloody miracle. He needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool again, because against England, if on the wing, he'll be up against Monye or Cueto, and either of that pair humiliate him.

PhatPiggins

anonymous_joe wrote: »

My side would be:

1. Healy
2. Best (Flannery'll be lucky to play again in this 6N)
3. Court, Ross or Buckle

4. Cullen/Casey/DOC
5. POC/Cullen

6. Ferris
7. Wallace
8. Heaslip

9. Reddan
10. Sexton

11. Blank
12. D'Arcy
13. BOD
14. Horgan

15. Blank

16. Cronin
17. Probably Buckley/Court
18. Whatever second row doesn't start
19. Sean O'Brien
20. Isaac Boss
21. O'Gara
22. Blank

The reason Bowe's not in the side is that he'd be either 11 or 15, depending on whose fit at full back.

O'Leary and Earls are both dropped from my squad, though for different reasons. O'Leary's been muck a lot of this season, and was crippingly bad on Saturday. If he plays, our backs won't get any good ball. Earls meanwhile, is being appallingly badly used, and if he has any confidence left it'll be a bloody miracle. He needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool again, because against England, if on the wing, he'll be up against Monye or Cueto, and either of that pair humiliate him.

The only player Moyne consistently humiliates is himself. Cueto is fine player but is under used. I wouldn't be concered for Earls againt either of them under the current English game plan.

Ciaran-Irl

Based on current injury news, would go for:

1 Healy
2 Best
3 Court
4 Cullen
5 POC
6 Ferris
7 Wallace
8 Heaslip

9 Reddan
10 Sexton

11 Trimble
12 D'Arcy
13 BOD
14 Horgan
15 Bowe

16 Cronin
17 Hayes
18 DOC, and if not fit, Casey
19 O'Brien
20 Boss
21 ROG
22 Earls

PhatPiggins

1-Healy
2-Best
3-Ross
4-Poc
5-Cullen
6-Ferris
7-O'Brien
8-Heaslip
9-Reddan
10-Sexton
11-Earls
12-darcy
13-Bod
14-Horgan
15-Bowe

16-Cronin
17-Court
18-Doc
19-D Wallace
20-P Wallace
21-Trimble
22-Boss

This is taking into account Flannery and Kearney not being available.

We have no chance of winning the comp now,so its time to seriously look for a replacement for Hayes.Ross is the best scrummager we have and England are weak in the front Row.Court covers both TH and LH so he has to be on the bench.
Give Hayes a rest,he is 38.

Earls isnt good enough under the high ball so I would put Bowe at 15.
Horgan is the obvious player to come in at 14 if Bowe goes to 15.

The halfbacks need to be changed and it makes sense to go for a combo.

The most contensious decision will be O'Brien ahead of Wallace but Wallace is getting on aswell,hasnt been that impressive and O'Brien deserves a shot.

Im presuming will be shot down for this team but its the best team imo taking into account bringing in experience like Horgan and blooding new props and a new young backrow.
With Ross we could put england scrum under serious pressure.

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Has he? I thougt he was effectively tird choive TH at Leinster, tough I suppose Wright and Van Der Linde have been injured a bit

Thats right,he has had more gametime than Wright or CJ this season,so he has had the gametime,so that cant be used as an excuse.

Riskymove

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

Im presuming will be shot down for this team but its the best team imo taking into account bringing in experience like Horgan and blooding new props and a new young backrow.
With Ross we could put england scrum under serious pressure.

actually for once I dont really have any issue with the team you suggest

I might disagree with some of your reasoning :pac: but I could live with a lot of your changes from a development point of view, the right balance of experience and new blood

I dont think we should rule out the championship just yet although we are in a difficult place with points difference so bad already

JustinDee

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

We have no chance of winning the comp now

Ireland have lost one game. Championships have been known to go on points. Who's to say France won't be beaten?

BoarHunter

PhatPiggins wrote: »

The only player Moyne consistently humiliates is himself. Cueto is fine player but is under used. I wouldn't be concered for Earls againt either of them under the current English game plan.

i think Monye is the biggest danger from this english team along with haskell.

chupacabra

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

1-Healy
2-Best
3-Ross
4-Poc
5-Cullen
6-Ferris
7-O'Brien
8-Heaslip
9-Reddan
10-Sexton
11-Earls
12-darcy
13-Bod
14-Horgan
15-Bowe

16-Cronin
17-Court
18-Doc
19-D Wallace
20-P Wallace
21-Trimble
22-Boss

This is taking into account Flannery and Kearney not being available.

We have no chance of winning the comp now,so its time to seriously look for a replacement for Hayes.Ross is the best scrummager we have and England are weak in the front Row.Court covers both TH and LH so he has to be on the bench.
Give Hayes a rest,he is 38.

Earls isnt good enough under the high ball so I would put Bowe at 15.
Horgan is the obvious player to come in at 14 if Bowe goes to 15.

The halfbacks need to be changed and it makes sense to go for a combo.

The most contensious decision will be O'Brien ahead of Wallace but Wallace is getting on aswell,hasnt been that impressive and O'Brien deserves a shot.

Im presuming will be shot down for this team but its the best team imo taking into account bringing in experience like Horgan and blooding new props and a new young backrow.
With Ross we could put england scrum under serious pressure.

Thats right,he has had more gametime than Wright or CJ this season,so he has had the gametime,so that cant be used as an excuse.

How do you explain dropping ROG from the 22? To suggest that Paddy Wallace is ahead of him for the fly half position is beyond a joke.

JustinDee

JustinDee wrote: »

Ireland have lost one game. Championships have been known to go on points. Who's to say France won't be beaten?

I expect England to pull a performance out of the bag and beat them. Like they have done for the last God knows how long.

soloparadox

1-Healy
2-Best
3-Ross
4-Poc
5-Doc
6-Ferris
7-Wallace
8-Heaslip
9-Boss
10-Sexton
11-Bowe
12-D'arcy
13-O'Driscoll
14-Trimble
15-Earles

I think Boss and Sexton need to be tested as a halfback team. Readen offers nothing extra over O'Leary imo. Think Rog played a hell of a lot better than people gave him credit for last saturday but Sexton deserves some game time in a big 6 nations match.
Earles' deficiencies under the high ball are exaggerated and he is far more natural in that position than Bowe, who is a weak kicker and will have this exposed from fullback.
I dont see what the team can gain from starting Horgan ahead of Trimble, i dont see him offering more than an in form Trimble now and surely the Ulster man is far more important to us in the long term.
The back row picks itself, anyone advocating Wallace being dropped for O'Brien must be out of their mind.
Doc offers far more in the loose than Cullen, his tackling and work in the rucks is needed, although cullens lineout game will be missed.
As much as i would like to see hayes get his 100th cap in twickenham, i thought he was a hindrance to us in paris and our scrum improved vastly when he went off.

Riskymove

Deleted User wrote: »

I expect England to pull a performance out of the bag and beat them. Like they have done for the last God knows how long.

3 out of the last 4 or something like that

plus France losta surprise to scotland in 2007 i think

anything can happen

chupacabra

chupacabra wrote: »

How do you explain dropping ROG from the 22? To suggest that Paddy Wallace is ahead of him for the fly half position is beyond a joke.

Im not suggesting Wallace is ahead of Rog for the Fly Half position:

Sexton and Rog are more similar than say Sexton and Wallace.

If we need to make a change then there is no point in bringing on Rog for Sexton,it wont be that big an impact sub.

A player like Wallace offers something different to the 2 of them and could actually make a difference with 20 minutes to go regards creativity,Rog wont do this.
You either start Rog or dont have him on the bench,because he is not an impact sub.

He was also useless against France and got steamrolled like I said he would.So Sexton deserves to start ahead of him.

The worst case scenario would be that Sexton gets injured in the first 5 minutes and Wallace has to play the whole game at 10,but its no more of a risk than DK took with his stupid bench against France,where we basically had no back 3 cover.

JustinDee wrote: »

Ireland have lost one game. Championships have been known to go on points. Who's to say France won't be beaten?

France wont be beaten and even if they are they will have racked up enough scores to go through on points.
With Ireland and England racking up low scores against Italy ,France are going to win regardless of whether they are beaten.

JustinDee

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

France wont be beaten and even if they are they will have racked up enough scores to go through on points.
With Ireland and England racking up low scores against Italy France are going to win regardless of whether they are beaten.

Ah ok.
I'll give up so. How stupid of me.

Riskymove

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

France wont be beaten and even if they are they will have racked up enough scores to go through on points.
With Ireland and England racking up low scores against Italy ,France are going to win regardless of whether they are beaten.

yeah well, we all expect that to happen but championships are not always won on paper !!


France beat them well last year but only 25-13 in paris two years ago, things can happen

Riskymove

Riskymove wrote: »

yeah well, we all expect that to happen but championships are not always won on paper !!


France beat them well last year but only 25-13 in paris two years ago, things can happen

I actually wouldnt be surprised if England beat them but I think they will hockey Wales and Italy.

Podge_irl

WeeBushy wrote: »

Wasn't it said here that he has clocked up more playing time than any other prop for Leinster this season?

He's clocked up more time than any other Leinster tighthead (he also has more time for Leinster than Hayes has for Munster). Of course, he's also only played for more than 40 mins 6 times this season. He's slotted in a bit because of injuries. It's not ideal or anything, and he's clearly rated behind CJ and Wright by the management, but it's not like he's never playing or anything.

Podge_irl

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

The worst case scenario would be that Sexton gets injured in the first 5 minutes and Wallace has to play the whole game at 10,but its no more of a risk than DK took with his stupid bench against France,where we basically had no back 3 cover.

And didn't that just work out fantastically? It's harsh on Wallace, but I'd drop him from the squad. We can't afford to have no back 3 cover again. Having to move our best player out to the wing was hardly ideal against France.

England destroyed France last year! There is still a chance France could lose to both Wales and England. Ireland have lost one game, it's stupid to think the 6N is gone.

Podge_irl

Podge_irl wrote: »

And didn't that just work out fantastically? It's harsh on Wallace, but I'd drop him from the squad. We can't afford to have no back 3 cover again. Having to move our best player out to the wing was hardly ideal against France.

Well clearly it didnt but I dont know why you aim that answer towards me?
Did you not look at the bench I named,it has back 3 cover in the form of Trimble.

BoarHunter

i don't understand why Kidney didn't move wallace to the wing in front of Marty who is a center .... D'Arcy would have been way better staying at the center.

WeeBushy

BoarHunter wrote: »

i don't understand why Kidney didn't move wallace to the wing in front of Marty who is a center .... D'Arcy would have been way better staying at the center.

I don't understand why he picked no back three cover in the first place tbh.

Sticking D'Arcy on the wing was his only option, Wallace has never played there and D'Arcy has at a high level. You can't stick an OH/centre on the wing against France.

Jicked

Re the Championship; on the last weekend we'll be playing what is an already very poor Scottish side, without big players in Evans, Patterson and Lamont. With how things have gone for them so far I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more injuries. We can definitely out-score what France did against them in Murrayfield. Is there still no word about bringing in bonus points for future seasons?

As for the line-up, Tomás O'Leary should have been quietly taken outside the Stade de France at half time and been shot. I'd drop him from the 22 after that atrocious performance, Reddan is no world beater but doesn't move at glacial speeds around the pitch. Sexton in for O'Gara should also happen now.

Podge_irl

Malcolm Obnoxious Signpost wrote: »

Well clearly it didnt but I dont know why you aim that answer towards me?
Did you not look at the bench I named,it has back 3 cover in the form of Trimble.

I know, but your reasoning for not having ROG on the bench was because it was only a risk if Sexton got injured early on, akin to the risk that Kidney took with back 3 cover against France. I think there should be back 3 cover and outhalf cover - there is already centre cover on the pitch. I'm just never thrilled about the idea of Wallace covering outhalf. Ideally you'd like to have someone that covers the back 5 on the bench, but that's pretty tough and even more so with all the injuries Ireland have now.

I don't think it's the worst idea in the world, and I'd sooner have Wallace and Trimble on the bench than Wallace and ROG/Sexton again, but I just really can't see Kidney dropping ROG from the 22.

outwest

keep bowe on the wing, england put mooyne on at full back in novemeber and it was a disaster,

earls or duffy for full back, bowe is out only world class winger,

croinin will be sub hooker, best in for flan,
the weekend games will have huge factor on the startin line up for england

WeeBushy

Jicked wrote: »

Re the Championship; on the last weekend we'll be playing what is an already very poor Scottish side, without big players in Evans, Patterson and Lamont. With how things have gone for them so far I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more injuries. We can definitely out-score what France did against them in Murrayfield.

I think Scotland are looking good this season. Our form does not suggest that we will out score what France did. Their injuries might help us, but we need to up our game a lot.

Jicked wrote: »

Is there still no word about bringing in bonus points for future seasons?

Someone already said this in another thread - you can't have a bonus point system when you don't play each team on a home and away basis. Its not fair on whichever teams only have 2 home games.

BoarHunter

WeeBushy wrote: »

I don't understand why he picked no back three cover in the first place tbh.

Sticking D'Arcy on the wing was his only option, Wallace has never played there and D'Arcy has at a high level. You can't stick an OH/centre on the wing against France.

the guy playing at the wing for France was David Marty. He had never played winger before .... actually his lack of experience at the position cost France the irish try. I think Wallace could have well dealt with him.

trapsagenius

(Anybody but John Hayes) multiplied by 15.:D
He was awful on Saturday