teenage shoplifter sentenced to a walk in the park

genericguy

literally.

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/17295887/?view=Standard

some thieving cnut has been sentenced to an awesome course involving canoeing, hiking, and other outdoor pursuits. personally, i'd have taken one of the cnut's thumbs and she wouldn't have done it again, but let's not get into that...

is this the right message to send to young people? "rob a shop and you'll get six months of more cool shit than you can shake a stick at"

with all this new do-gooder, let's rehabilitate the poxes bullshit going around in recnt years, i have to say i honestly now think that in ireland the honest working man is a sucker.

dr.bollocko

Most rational course of action according to AH would appear to be wounding the chap outside a bar after closing time with a fire-arm and then getting a drunk driver to run them over for a bit. That'll definitely sort him and society right out.

Mr. Incognito

Read the article.

Heck why not.

Locking 17 year old children up won't make them change their ways. Opening their eyes to the fact there is a huge other world out there might.

That's my rational objective view.

The rest of you can grab your pitchforks.

dazberry

17 year old girl made to do outdoor pursuits OMG OMG OMG - for her it's probably a horror... But

The girl will be required to have an attendance rate of at least 80%

WTF???

Herb Powell

genericguy wrote: »

literally.

http://news.eircom.net/breakingnews/17295887/?view=Standard

some thieving cnut has been sentenced to an awesome course involving canoeing, hiking, and other outdoor pursuits. personally, i'd have taken one of the cnut's thumbs and she wouldn't have done it again, but let's not get into that...

is this the right message to send to young people? "rob a shop and you'll get six months of more cool shit than you can shake a stick at"

with all this new do-gooder, let's rehabilitate the poxes bullshit going around in recnt years, i have to say i honestly now think that in ireland the honest working man is a sucker.

that's so stupid. how can that be a punishment?

genericguy wrote: »

with all this new do-gooder, let's rehabilitate the poxes bullshit going around in recnt years, i have to say i honestly now think that in ireland the honest working man is a sucker.

but that's not true either

genericguy

dr.bollocko wrote: »

and then getting a drunk driver to run them over for a bit.

that just reminded me - a girl i went to school with got charged with doing that to an old guy!! :eek:

L.Jenkins

The consequences of criminal action are too cussy! Our system is far to easy on would be career criminals. Honestly, adventure training. Maybe I'll go rob something and get a dream job or some fun activities to do for a couple of years while I reside in a nice little refurbished flat in the Joy!

Mr. Incognito

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Read the article.

Heck why not.

Locking 17 year old children up won't make them change their ways. Opening their eyes to the fact there is a huge other world out there might.

That's my rational objective view.

The rest of you can grab your pitchforks.

I actually agree you know. It's not exactly bootcamp but hopefully it would make them realise there's a world outside of their scummy estates/circle of friends etc.

That said, I'm sure it costs 7 million per child or some other totally ludicrous figure..


edit: Of course there should be a warning that comes with a sentence like this that re-offending will lead to a harsh sentence.

Herb Powell

djhunter30 wrote: »

The consequences of criminal action are too cussy! Our system is far to easy on would be career criminals. Honestly, adventure training. Maybe I'' go rob something and get a dream job or some fun activities to do for a couple of years while I reside in a nice little refurbished flat in the Joy!

because being a criminal in prison is so glamorous

greendom

If it rehabilitates why not - locking someone in a prison for a couple of years doesn't seem to do much good, after all.

L.Jenkins

I'll back peddle for a second and say, it is too cussy for them, but yeah! Anything that does help, as opposed to encouraging the problem is good. The point is though, consequences for actions does need to be enforced to.

Herb Powell

djhunter30 wrote: »

I'll back peddle for a second and say, it is too cussy for them, but yeah! Anything that does help, as opposed to encouraging the problem is good. The point is though, consequences for actions does need to be enforced to.

yup

bonerm

genericguy wrote: »

some thieving cnut has been sentenced to an awesome course involving canoeing, hiking, and other outdoor pursuits. personally, i'd have taken one of the cnut's thumbs

Was it Megan Fox?

robinph

It it stops them re-offending then it is money and time well spent.

How is sending a child to prison going to pursuade them not to continue to offend? Sending them to prison does make the general public feel better about themselves though.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

From a greedy perspective it will work out a lot cheaper to the tax payer, save us from locking him up time and time again. Possibly.

And have you never known a good kid who might have lost his way for a couple of years??

Many do and go on to be upstanding contributing members of society. A criminal record will often hinder that from happening.

My name is URL

Yeah, because cutting her thumbs off will turn her in to a well rounded individual that contributes to society

Outdoor pursuits like those mentioned build up a lot of traits that go towards bettering yourself.. team-working skills, problem solving, self worth etc

As for the message it sends out, well that's another matter.. crimes already high here so the current methods don't seem to be working

tipperaryboy

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, because cutting her thumbs off will turn her in to a well rounded individual that contributes to society

Outdoor pursuits like those mentioned build up a lot of traits that go towards bettering yourself.. team-working skills, problem solving, self worth etc

As for the message it sends out, well that's another matter.. crimes already high here so the current methods don't seem to be working

Yes it would of been a waste of time putting her into a cell.whatever time she would of gotten in one would of been a waste because she would just go out and shoplift straight away.so something different handed out which could be called a bettering yourself course.

Hank_Jones

robinph wrote: »

It it stops them re-offending then it is money and time well spent.

You seem to forget that after they do all this hill walking etc....they are going to be going back to the enviroment that they were in before.

Can't imagine that it will do much good, but then again, who knows.

Mike 1972

Just because sending them to prison for six months might have dubious value in terms of preventing reoffending or deterring others doesnt mean that this idea is any better.

Herb Powell wrote: »

because being a criminal in prison is so glamorous

In some circles it may be ?

kleefarr

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Read the article.

Heck why not.

Locking 17 year old children up won't make them change their ways. Opening their eyes to the fact there is a huge other world out there might.

That's my rational objective view.

The rest of you can grab your pitchforks.

Will other kids be going out shop lifting now, not worried about whether they're caught or not? And may be secretly hoping they are caught and get a similarly nice punishment?

I would rather they were put to better use, by helping clean the streets or something.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Just because sending them to prison for six months might have dubious value in terms of preventing reoffending or deterring others doesnt mean that this idea is any better.

But we just don't know Mike, we know that its not working now so lets try something else.

And lets look to other countries that have tried different approaches and experiment and discover what will work here.

People will always be angry and want to see people locked up for the own sense of moral satisfaction. Butif it doesn't work then whats the point.
We should be looking to changing the end result and probably wont get it right straight away but need to work towards getting it right.

Or at least a hell of a lot better than it is now, sending these young fellas into fight/crime/anger school

robinph

Hank_Jones wrote: »

You seem to forget that after they do all this hill walking etc....they are going to be going back to the enviroment that they were in before.

Can't imagine that it will do much good, but then again, who knows.

Well she'll have more chance of creating a better life for herself after the courses that they are sending her on than after spending X amount of time in prison. She left school at 12 apparently as well, so literacy classes are included in what she has to attend. She also only got into that system after proving it as worth doing so and with the support of her mother. There is the wish to redeem her ways by the sounds of it, and this is about giving the skills to do so.

Tar.Aldarion

anybody else click the link only after you read she?

Dunjohn

I'm sorry, but:

"Judge Clare Leonard told the 17-year-old girl, who stole pair of jeans, that it was an "historic day" as it was the first time the Dublin Children's Court had made a "day centre order", which compels an eligible defendant to take part in a range of activities to divert them from crime."

How in the nine bloody rings of Hell does this qualify as "historic?"

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Dunjohn wrote: »

I'm sorry, but:

"Judge Clare Leonard told the 17-year-old girl, who stole pair of jeans, that it was an "historic day" as it was the first time the Dublin Children's Court had made a "day centre order", which compels an eligible defendant to take part in a range of activities to divert them from crime."

How in the nine bloody rings of Hell does this qualify as "historic?"

I had a historic dinner today

I suppose sometimes the word gets tossed about a bit too much

minidazzler

genericguy wrote: »

with all this new do-gooder, let's rehabilitate the poxes bullshit going around in recnt years, i have to say i honestly now think that in ireland the honest working man is a sucker.

WTF? This is quite a retarded and generic AH thing to say. You are a generic guy.

Rehabilitation can work, maybe not on career criminals, but in 6 months this girl might see how fun and good life can be. Who know's it might turn her into a productive member of society.

It's the first time something like this has been handed down, so why not let it be tried out first FFS!

Son Of A Vidic

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Most rational course of action according to AH would appear to be wounding the chap outside a bar after closing time with a fire-arm and then getting a drunk driver to run them over for a bit. That'll definitely sort him and society right out.

Fairplay to ya, fcuk your a mind reader as well as a Mod.

the_syco

One way to boost tourism, I suppose... :rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

I haven't read this thread but I wholeheartedly agree that they/she/he/it had it coming to them.

Dudess

medicman2009 wrote: »

Fairplay to ya, fcuk your a mind reader as well as a Mod.

You don't need to be a mind-reader - or a mod - to figure out how certain stuff will roll in AH.

Incidentally, that stuff about the establishment wanting to be "do-gooderish" etc is all in the fucking imagination.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Dudess wrote: »

You don't need to be a mind-reader - or a mod - to figure out how certain stuff will roll in AH.

Incidentally, that stuff about the establishment wanting to be "do-gooderish" etc is all in the fucking imagination.

Maybe not 'do-gooderish' but it might be about time to try something else. And save the taxpayer money, coasts a fortune to lock those little fcukers up

goose2005

She's a 17-y-o with only one previous conviction, and her crime this time was stealing one pair of jeans. She left school at 12. And the crime diversion programme is sewing, cooking, literacy classes, computers and an "offending behaviour programme". I'd imagine the outdoor pursuits is only a few weekends, and it's not as if they cost much.

twinQuins

You disappoint me, AH. Where is the self-righteous outrage? Your barely controlled blood-lust? Where is the moral proselytizing? The overwrought use of "PC/liberal/do-gooder"?

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Morkarleth wrote: »

You disappoint me, AH. Where is the self-righteous outrage? Your barely controlled blood-lust? Where is the moral proselytizing? The overwrought use of "PC/liberal/do-gooder"?

wait till tomorrow...

Duggy747

Morkarleth wrote: »

You disappoint me, AH. Where is the self-righteous outrage? Your barely controlled blood-lust? Where is the moral proselytizing? The overwrought use of "PC/liberal/do-gooder"?

I blame the Muslims :pac:

How's that?

I think they have this the wrong way round, what about help create more oppertunities like these to all teens when they never have anything better to do except "create" an "out of control binge-culture!!" and mug sweet old ladies? Still, this girl isn't exactly your typical scummer with 72 convictions and wooden teeth!

Dudess

Morkarleth wrote: »

You disappoint me, AH. Where is the self-righteous outrage? Your barely controlled blood-lust? Where is the moral proselytizing? The overwrought use of "PC/liberal/do-gooder"?

+1
Thread needs more torture!

Tar.Aldarion

she deserves to be.../googles machiavellian torture generator

epgc3fyqirnbsx

We should send them all out footing turf on the bog of alan to create a stockpile for when the oil eventually runs out.

The Ireland will finally become a superpower, setting the global value of turf by how many trailor loads it releases

Then of course the yanks will invade and we're screwed...

Pdfile

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Read the article.

Heck why not.

Locking 17 year old children up won't make them change their ways. Opening their eyes to the fact there is a huge other world out there might.

That's my rational objective view.

The rest of you can grab your pitchforks.

don't forget your flames and turf... gonna 18 Stickity 2 his arse.

Tar.Aldarion

read this as sentenced to linkin park and I though, no god the humanitiiiies?!!! :pac:

Overheal

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Most rational course of action according to AH would appear to be wounding the chap outside a bar after closing time with a fire-arm and then getting a drunk driver to run them over for a bit. That'll definitely sort him and society right out.

Who are you and what have you done with Dr. Bollocko?

You've been getting really dark and cynical lately and I dont want it!

But to be totally fair:

some thieving cnut has been sentenced to an awesome course involving canoeing, hiking, and other outdoor pursuits. personally, i'd have taken one of the cnut's thumbs and she wouldn't have done it again, but let's not get into that...

is this the right message to send to young people? "rob a shop and you'll get six months of more cool **** than you can shake a stick at"

with all this new do-gooder, let's rehabilitate the poxes bull**** going around in recnt years, i have to say i honestly now think that in ireland the honest working man is a sucker.

She stole a pair of Jeans and you want to cut her thumbs off.

Yeah, go live in Saudi Arabia bud.

old_aussie

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Opening their eyes to the fact there is a huge other world out there might.
.

And how will she afford to live in that huge other world?

All she'll see is the things that she cannot afford.

Odysseus

old_aussie wrote: »

And how will she afford to live in that huge other world?

All she'll see is the things that she cannot afford.

Like the rest of us she will have to learn that if you want something you have to work hard for it. These type of courses will only work is the person themselves are in a place where they are only to change. I don't know about the "historic" comment though. I was in charge of a similar project for drug users about 12 years ago, probation are really slow off the mark here.

The other thread about the mugger has been metioned here, I said on that we should be supporting those who want to move on from a life of crime. I have seen people with very serious criminal histories trun their life around, and I would guess that the cost of the course is cheaper that spending a few months in m/joy.

allisbleak

greendom wrote: »

If it rehabilitates why not - locking someone in a prison for a couple of years doesn't seem to do much good, after all.

All prison does is teach you how to be a better crim. Its cost €100k a year for adult prison, €250k a year for under 18.

Better off offering under 18's 1 or 2 year style US marine bootcamps, to teach respect, admin, social skills, healthy living and eating, and skills they can use for the rest of their life. When you finish your duty you have no record and will be an asset to society, rather than a 35 year old unemployable, uneducated junkie waster.


Most of these kids have been dragged up by awful families.

hooradiation

Duggy747 wrote: »

I blame the Muslims :pac:

I blame liberal Muslims with 20 wives...and....and.....charities! And global warming....and the brits!

amidoinitrite?

dr.bollocko

hooradiation wrote: »

I blame liberal Muslims with 20 wives...and....and.....charities! And global warming....and the brits!

amidoinitrite?

You forgot about the pinko leftie bleeding heart brigade. Bleeding pinkos.

Kivaro

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Read the article.

Heck why not.

Locking 17 year old children up won't make them change their ways. Opening their eyes to the fact there is a huge other world out there might.

That's my rational objective view.

The rest of you can grab your pitchforks.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The reason why Ireland is in its current state.

Jesus Juice

Thats a great idea, I mean remember that RTE show with the ''troubled'' boys in Killary or somewhere.

Any bit of physical exertion and they're nearly crying.

MaybeLogic

Jesus Juice wrote: »

Thats a great idea, I mean remember that RTE show with the ''troubled'' boys in Killary or somewhere.

Any bit of physical exertion and they're nearly crying.

Only because they've been smoking 20 a day since the age of 4.

caseyann

They should make that compulsory for all kids all over world>Might get them interested in things in life and start to love it.I think should be made compulsory for kids here in Ireland from young age school put more into those activities.

robinph

robinph wrote: »

It it stops them re-offending then it is money and time well spent.

How is sending a child to prison going to pursuade them not to continue to offend? Sending them to prison does make the general public feel better about themselves though.

They're supposed to be afraid of getting caught.. That's where prison comes in. That course sounds like something regular people would pay to do for the enjoyment.. No fear there.