Can anyone recommend a chiropractor in the d4 area?

mack32

Any suggestions? Cheers

Eros_Panties

I can't recommend one but, I'd suggest a physiotherapist over a chiropracter.

golfchiro

Hi Mack, You will find all the Chiropractors in Dublin by visiting the Chiropractic Association of Ireland Website, you can find the site through Google.

Eros why would suggest a Physiotherapist over a Chiropractor? Be interesting in hearing your opinion.

Eros_Panties

golfchiro wrote: »

Eros why would suggest a Physiotherapist over a Chiropractor? Be interesting in hearing your opinion.

Well it tends to fall into the more "alternative medicine" area of things. Whereas a physio is fully qualified and the practice is backed up by quantifiable research.

So in the same way I wouldn't recommend homeopathy to a sick person. I wouldn't suggest a chiroprator to someone with a physical injury.

I'm aware that there is some positive research out there on chiropractors (and many many anecdotes) but anecdotes aren't data and the positive research is outweighed by the negative and/or neutral case studies.

Hope that explains my stance

Eros_Panties

Eros_Panties wrote: »

Well it tends to fall into the more "alternative medicine" area of things. Whereas a physio is fully qualified and the practice is backed up by quantifiable research.

So in the same way I wouldn't recommend homeopathy to a sick person. I wouldn't suggest a chiroprator to someone with a physical injury.

I'm aware that there is some positive research out there on chiropractors (and many many anecdotes) but anecdotes aren't data and the positive research is outweighed by the negative and/or neutral case studies.

Hope that explains my stance

What exactly is wrong with alternative medicines ? Surely, having alternative forms of treatment (just like alternative forms of fitness i.e. crossfit etc) can only benefit the industry as a whole as it gives people another way of doing things ?

I have heard countless stories of the GP/specialist that couldn't do anything yet chinese homeopathy related treatment worked etc.

For what it's worth, I've no affiliation with this side of things at all but as long as the industry is regulated and the treatments are safe and work, then what's the problem ?

golfchiro

Eros_Panties wrote: »

Well it tends to fall into the more "alternative medicine" area of things. Whereas a physio is fully qualified and the practice is backed up by quantifiable research.

So in the same way I wouldn't recommend homeopathy to a sick person. I wouldn't suggest a chiroprator to someone with a physical injury.

I'm aware that there is some positive research out there on chiropractors (and many many anecdotes) but anecdotes aren't data and the positive research is outweighed by the negative and/or neutral case studies.

Hope that explains my stance

I find it interesting that you think Chiropractic falls in the "Alternative Medicine" category. The majority of Chiropractic course are now a 4 year B.Sc Degrees and ratified through universities. the modules taught in physiotherapy courses are comparable with the Chiro courses. Anatomy, Physiology, Pathology, Neuroanatomy, Nutrition,Biomechanics, and Rehabilitation. So not really sure what you thought Chiros did when they went to College.

There is about the same amount of good research backing Chiro and Physio from the research papers that I have read. The major issue facing the two profession is reproducing a "clinic setting treatment" in these trials and studies.

Like every profession there are good Chiro and bad Chiros, likewise the same can be said for Physios. I read this fitness forum on a regular basis and the amount of time that all Chiros are painted with same brush and quick to fire potshots at the whole profession. You should spend a bit more time looking in to what Chiropractors actually do. I often find its a lack of understanding.

taz70

Not only is Chiropractic a four year degree, it also qualifies you with a Master's degree, not a Bachelor's. Not sure how this can be considered "alternative therapy" (as if this epithet is necessarily derogatory). How does a mere BSc in Physiotherapy make a graduate more or better qualified?

Physiotherapy was also once considered "fringe" and in acquiescing to the medical fraternity it became accepted as a core component of allied health departments. In Scandinavian countries, chiropractic is considered part of allied health and is present in hospitals as part of the suite of treatments available to medical professionals.

There are of course different schools of chiropractic, some that tend more towards the "hippy trippy", but this is not standard across the industry.

Eros_Panties

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I have heard countless stories of the GP/specialist that couldn't do anything yet chinese homeopathy related treatment worked etc.

As I say anecdotes aren't evidence and their ar emany things wrong with alternative therapies. some of which include recommending vitamins for cancer . and lets not mention homeopathy physics defying medicine.

Deleted User wrote: »

I've no affiliation with this side of things at all but as long as the industry is regulated and the treatments are safe and work, then what's the problem ?

actually the industry is very poorly regulated. and while most of these "medicines" have no effect one way or the other... they often preclude the use of effective and PROVEN methods. I only recently read something in the order of 8 in 10 alternative healers recommended avoiding vaccination. up to and including claiming to be able to protect against malaria using there own random concoctions. I'm afraid this industry is far from harmless.

I find it interesting that you think Chiropractic falls in the "Alternative Medicine" category

Wasn't my opinion. I've just frequently seen it classified as such

@taz and golfchiro
I remain pessimistic. I am aware they can get degrees but it's also genuinely possible to get a doctorate in star wars.

anyway I think we're fairly off topic. so I best call it here. :cool:

Now I'm off for a mournful pee.

Doug Cartel

There's no state legislation for chiropractors in this country. There's just the Chiropractic Assoc of Ireland, and a quick scan of their website shows they promote chiro as a cure for infant colic, something that's gotten their British counterparts in a lot of trouble.

Go find a physio.

Eros_Panties

Eros_Panties wrote: »

As I say anecdotes aren't evidence and their ar emany things wrong with alternative therapies. some of which include recommending vitamins for cancer . and lets not mention homeopathy physics defying medicine.



actually the industry is very poorly regulated. and while most of these "medicines" have no effect one way or the other... they often preclude the use of effective and PROVEN methods. I only recently read something in the order of 8 in 10 alternative healers recommended avoiding vaccination. up to and including claiming to be able to protect against malaria using there own random concoctions. I'm afraid this industry is far from harmless.



Wasn't my opinion. I've just frequently seen it classified as such

@taz and golfchiro
I remain pessimistic. I am aware they can get degrees but it's also genuinely possible to get a doctorate in star wars.

anyway I think we're fairly off topic. so I best call it here. :cool:

Now I'm off for a mournful pee.

Fair enough, I accept your points. I don't really know too much regarding how the industry is regulated, I've just heard plenty of success stories from genuine people (none of which happen to be family members, so i have no bias/or tinted glasses on towards this way of doing things at all)

Ciaran500

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair enough, I accept your points. I don't really know too much regarding how the industry is regulated, I've just heard plenty of success stories from genuine people (none of which happen to be family members, so i have no bias/or tinted glasses on towards this way of doing things at all)

Most of the success stories I hear (including my dad & brother) are that they go to the chiro, he fixes the problem and they feel great for a few weeks before it all goes to hell again and they have to visit the chiro again. With the physio you go for multiple sessions and they fix the problem permanently.


EDIT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uD_JPtsP-Q

Biased but illustrates alot of the problems with chiropractic.

How Strange

Based on my personal experience;

A few years ago I went to a very reputable chiropractor, he solved my problem through manipulation and everything was great for about 4 years. Now, the problem has resurfaced and I'm attending physio regularly and doing core strenghtening exercises daily to negate the effects of the chiropractor's work. My physio said that the work carried out by the chiropractor inadvertently caused cartilage damage.

I'm not saying he was negligent. Far from it. However, he didn't diagnose correctly and I'm paying for it now and will do so in the future.

I've since found out there is no regulation of chiropractors in Ireland. I always assumed they were regulated in the same way as doctors or other medical professionals.

Now I'll attend a physio or an osteopath before a chiropractor and would urge caution to anyone who told me they were attending a chiropractor. I'm sure for specific problems but it shouldn't be your first point of call in the case of back problems.

mack32

Well I went to a physio first day + they were absolutely useless, he act said u need to go to a chiro. I've been going to an osteopath for about 5 wks and while I've seen some improvement it's not improving anymore+ it's still not at the stage where I can go back to the gym.

I'm getting fairly desperate at this stage (been out of action since December) so Ive decided to try a chiro. I've heard all the horror stories so that's why I tried an osteo first.

As someone said you can have people who are good and bad at anything so that's why I threw up a post looking for a specific recommendation, otherwise I'd only be picking blindly off a list from google.

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How Strange

mack32 wrote: »

Well I went to a physio first day + they were absolutely useless, he act said u need to go to a chiro. I've been going to an osteopath for about 5 wks and while I've seen some improvement it's not improving anymore+ it's still not at the stage where I can go back to the gym.

I'm getting fairly desperate at this stage (been out of action since December)

Me too but I have an exercise program that will gradually build up the strength in my back again.

I think any injury or problem with your back takes time to put right.

Have you considered the sports surgery clinic in Santry? They do an outpatients service too.

cmyk

golfchiro wrote: »

Like every profession there are good Chiro and bad Chiros, likewise the same can be said for Physios. I read this fitness forum on a regular basis and the amount of time that all Chiros are painted with same brush and quick to fire potshots at the whole profession. You should spend a bit more time looking in to what Chiropractors actually do. I often find its a lack of understanding.

Just out of interest, where is the line drawn between chiropractor and physio? What different issues do they individually deal with?

My understanding is limited currently, in particular, issues such as lordosis and kyphosis can be helped by both I believe?

(I'm making an assumption due to your username you may help shed some light on it?)

Degsy

chiropractors are quacks plain and simple and they're also quacks meddling with your spinal cord

http://www.chirobase.org/08Legal/turner.html

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/06/13/chiro-lawsuit.html
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chirostroke.html

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/166/6/794

golfchiro

cmyk wrote: »

Just out of interest, where is the line drawn between chiropractor and physio? What different issues do they individually deal with?

My understanding is limited currently, in particular, issues such as lordosis and kyphosis can be helped by both I believe?

(I'm making an assumption due to your username you may help shed some light on it?)

I think that the line will be dependent on what profession you’re from.

There is a large amount of overlap when it comes to the undergraduate degrees. Physios focus the course on soft tissue, modalities,exercises and joint mobilisation. If a physio wants to learn how to manipulate they will do a weekend course.You will also have to remember that physio is also not just about muscle and skeletal problems, they also learn to rehab post stroke, cystic fibrosis patients etc. (I worked alongside many physios in a big clinic in the UK, and have many friends who are physios)

My undergraduate Chiropractic course focused on manipulation, rehabilitation, soft tissue. We were also taught to take and read x rays over the 4 years.

Most Chiropractors will tend to focus specifically on joint manipulation as their main form of treatment in private practice. Some will include soft tissue, medical acupuncture, orthotics and modalities. It will come down to personal choice.

Since I graduated I have spent a lot of time learning soft tissue techniques, functional assessment(Principles introduced by a physio called Gray Cook) and the core stability programs I give to patients are based on what I have learnt from one of the worlds leading experts on back pain, a biomechanist called Stuart McGill.

I feel that there is a huge amount of overlap in the conditions which both the professions treat: Back pain,sciatica, neck pain,headaches, etc
From my viewpoint there is no line, no profession (Chiro,Physio,Osteo, Physical Therapist,Sports Therapist, Acupuncturist) owns or has the right to treating a specific condition such as back pain.
I too have had patients that come to me that have a had a bad experience with a chiropractor, physio or other manual therapy professions.

My advice if you can find someone who you find good, irrespective of profession then stick with them and tell your family and friends. As I have said previously there is good and bad in every profession.

cmyk

golfchiro wrote: »

Since I graduated I have spent a lot of time learning soft tissue techniques, functional assessment(Principles introduced by a physio called Gray Cook) and the core stability programs I give to patients are based on what I have learnt from one of the worlds leading experts on back pain, a biomechanist called Stuart McGill.

Thanks for that golfchiro, I actually didn't realise you worked with soft tissue at all. I have read quite a bit of McGill's stuff and listened to interviews and podcasts, he speaks well and seems very well regarded across the board.