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96% of Convictions get no Penalty Points Applied

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    #32
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It's €120 (vs €80) if you don't pay within 28 days and it can be up to €800 if it goes to court.


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    #33
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,485 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    kbannon wrote: »
    Say it as it is - don't bring your licence to court. It is not a legal requirement to bring it (unless you drive to court).

    so how come you don't have to produce licence or anything when flashed by a gatso. Can the courts system not simply link up with the Shannon / Gardai database and use name and address to pick up licence number? Or is that too much effort for them as well?


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    #34
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,137 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    galwaytt wrote: »
    if you don't bring/'forget to bring' your licence to court, that CoC's can't compel you to give it to them if you bring it, or produce it if you 'forget'....;) ...in which case........they have no info to forward, or a way of getting it.

    But they do have your driving license number! If you speed and get done by gun / gatso, 2 penalty points will automatically applied to your license. Nobody even has to stop you and you don't have to show anybody your license and nobody has to fill in any form.


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    #35
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    unkel wrote: »
    But they do have your driving license number! If you speed and get done by gun / gatso, 2 penalty points will automatically applied to your license. Nobody even has to stop you and you don't have to show anybody your license and nobody has to fill in any form.

    ...sorry, they don't automatically have your licence number: they only have the veh reg, and when you fill in the penalty notice, to pay the fine, you have to put the licence number on the form..........furthermore, a lot of the licence numbers are supplied are incorrect: there are two numbers on your licence, one is a serial no, the other a licence no (your 'file').........give them the 'wrong' one and they can't do anything.....

    I presume a lot of this is for historic reasons: if your licence is at a different address to your veh reg, for example, there's no way to link the two - they can't assume it's the same person - hence my PPSN suggestion.....

    Are there any 'old' licences, that have no number, still out there ?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #36
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    I can't get over this, unbelievable. How is this not the number one story on the news?


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    #37
    daveharnett
    Registered Users Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭daveharnett


    unkel wrote: »
    Shocking. Unbelievable. I hope this makes the international news so it wil bring a lot of embarrassment and shame. The minister for justice should resign over this...
    Agree completely.

    The resignation will come if a researcher can find somebody who was killed by a driver who should have been disqualified at the time.


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    #38
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭markpb


    daveharnett wrote: »
    The resignation will come if a researcher can find somebody who was killed by a driver who should have been disqualified at the time.

    When was the last time a sitting minister quit in Ireland?


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    #39
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,137 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    galwaytt wrote: »
    they only have the veh reg, and when you fill in the penalty notice, to pay the fine, you have to put the licence number on the form..........

    Ah wasn't aware of that. It's a miracle, but I've never had any points :)

    The license number should be linked though to your insurance / registration / tax. Don't know why it isn't.


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    #40
    BillyBoyBad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22 ✭BillyBoyBad


    I got a letter in the post but at the time (lost my job) I genuinely couldn't pay the fine. So up in court soon-will the judge be likely to increase the fine by much? Was €80 for speeding first day.


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    #41
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    unkel wrote: »
    ... It's a miracle, but I've never had any points :)

    me neither, but I know a Wife who has........:D :D:D

    wimmin' drivers !! :p

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #42
    bladebrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭bladebrew


    this must have happened me so,after being charged with careless driving (clipping a lady with the wing mirror) i did everything by the book,i even told my insurer i had 5 penalty points,and as i found out about 3 months ago the points were never put on my licence:eek:

    i dont remember having my licence in court,and i dont recall being asked to bring it either,im going to have a hard time trying to persuade quinn insurance that i dont have any penalty points after all,


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    #43
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,183 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    unkel wrote: »
    Ah wasn't aware of that. It's a miracle, but I've never had any points :)
    Same here but its not for lack of trying! :D


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    #44
    JG009
    Registered Users Posts: 2,482 ✭✭✭JG009


    So hypotheticaly, if I got done for speeding and have the option of filling in the form with my licence number and paying the fine at the post office, for a slightly higher fine in court I dont get points????


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    #45
    ToadVine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 659 ✭✭✭ToadVine


    JG009 wrote: »
    So hypotheticaly, if I got done for speeding and have the option of filling in the form with my licence number and paying the fine at the post office, for a slightly higher fine in court I dont get points????

    I'd like to know the answer to this too.


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    #46
    Testament1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Testament1


    Just while we're on the topic of penalty points, is there any where to check how many penalty points you have and date of issue of points etc..?


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    #47
    -Corkie-
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Testament1 wrote: »
    Just while we're on the topic of penalty points, is there any where to check how many penalty points you have and date of issue of points etc..?

    Yes the rsa office in ballina.


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