It's your own fault don't blame the dog !

Pacing Mule

I was up at the shops earlier and heard an announcement asking for the owner of the black labrador outside to contact the service desk. To cut a long story short the dog had bitten another customer on the hand. The guy who was bitten was ranting and raving that the guards should be called and the dog should be put down.

The way I see it is that the dog while tied to a post has been approached by a stranger who was probably well intentioned and wanted to pat him etc but the dog saw it as a potential attack and attacked back. Doesn't automatically make the dog vicious and shouldn't be killed for it. What's the consensus here ...

GLaDOS

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

The way I see it is that the dog while tied to a post has been approached by a stranger who was probably well intentioned and wanted to pat him etc but the dog saw it as a potential attack and attacked back. Doesn't automatically make the dog vicious and shouldn't be killed for it. What's the consensus here ...

Did you actually see it or are you assuming?

Pacing Mule

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Did you actually see it or are you assuming?

The person who was bitten stated that all they were doing was patting the dog. Not directly to me but to the owner who came out of the shop at same time I did.

Patricide

I would say if the dog is prone to outbursts then he shouldn't be left on his own by his owner.

If it was a once off thing though then the dog was more than likely provoked so it was the person who was was bittens fault. Most people however will always blame the dog, under any circumstances. Its unreasonable but its the way it is.

GLaDOS

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

The person who was bitten stated that all they were doing was patting the dog. Not directly to me but to the owner who came out of the shop at same time I did.

Fair enough, if that's the case, they were pretty stupid

Pete M.

The title of the thread made me think that I should accept the fact that the two dogs crapping all over the place is my own fault and not the dogs, because I should have trained them to go in one place when they were younger, which I'm afraid I will never accept, especially not just after I have stepped in it, again.

Anyhoo, yer man is right to be be pissed at been bitten outside a shop, but depending on circumstance, don't think the pooch should be executed for it.

Maybe yer man smelled like meat or something.

The dog's not necessarily psychotic, I'd run a few tests........

we'llallhavetea_old

don't think the dog should be put down for it.
the amount of dogs i have patted on the head that are tied to a post is quite high, and i know when i'm approaching it if its ok or not, was the man a fcukwit perhaps? they're always gettin sh!t wrong.

FlutterinBantam

I'd run to toe of my boot up to the laces in his hole.

Pacing Mule

Thread Title wrote:

It's your own fault don't blame the dog

Pete M. wrote: »

The title of the thread made me think that I should accept the fact that the two dogs crapping all over the place is my own fault and not the dogs, because I should have trained them to go in one place when they were younger, which I'm afraid I will never accept, especially not just after I have stepped in it, again.

WTF ??

we'llallhavetea_old

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

WTF ??

to be fair, i actually thought it might be something similiar...

nlgbbbblth

The dog is in the wrong.

Reacts to a friendly gesture with aggression.

biko

I thought this was going to be about farts.

Never pet a strange dog kids, let this man's mistake be your lesson.

BluesBerry

Labradors are generally placid dogs something must have provoked the dog but still I think all dogs should be muzzled regardless of breed when taken out in public animals are very unpredictable

Thank god it was not a child that was bitten but still it should not of happened in the first place

Mike 1972

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

The dog is in the wrong.
Reacts to a friendly gesture with aggression.

If a complete stranger patted me on the head outsite a supermarket I would bite them too and make no apology for it !

m@cc@

A dog will usually let you know beforehand if it wants to be petted. If it doesn't respond to you when you walk over to it, you should leave it alone.

Dudess

If the dog is poorly treated, then I think the responsibility lies entirely with the owner... generally speaking - it depends on the breed too. I know there's the "deed not the breed" mantra, but some breeds are innately more aggressive than others. Golden cocker spaniels for example can be cross ****ers. My neighbour's one when I was a kid was very cranky and scared the life out of me, even though she was superbly treated - spoilt actually, which perhaps was a case of the pendulum swinging too far the other way.
However, innate aggressiveness can be minimised by good treatment, and supervision in situations such as the above.

Senna

An owner should know the temperament of their own dog, if they are likely to threat any stranger as a threat, then they should be muzzled.

Owners fault, not stranger, but the stranger should have known better, unless the dog is wagging its tail as you approach, dont threat it as a friendly dog..

"Does your dog bite?"
"No"
GRRR SNAP!!!! :eek:
"I thought you said that your dog didn't bite!"
"That's not my dog"

steph1

People should not be leaving their dogs tied up outside shops. I see this regularly and kids being kids go over to pet the dog. Its not the dogs fault. If you have to go to the shops leave the dog at home ffs.

Sharpshooter

The way I see it, the dog is tied up, a stranger looms over it to pet it but the dog doesn't see it that way ( the stranger could be seen as a threat ) and so reacts as it can't run away.

I would never pet a dog that was tied up outside any busy place as the amount of people coming and going and the noise ratio has to have an effect on the dog.

Leave it be, say "hello" as animal lovers tend to do when passing a tied up dog, but never attempt to pet it.

The most placid dog can turn if it feels threatened.

Pete M.

m@cc@ wrote: »

A dog will usually let you know beforehand if it wants to be petted. If it doesn't respond to you when you walk over to it, you should leave it alone.

haha, beforehand...

in this case, hindsight could be considered afterhand.

boodlesdoodles

Well said Sharpshooter! A hand looming down on a tied up dog will always be a threat to a dog that doesn't know you. The dog can't get away from you so instinct kicks in. I have a dog and I don't let strangers pet him. He's not in the slightest aggressive but I'd rather not take the chance of me being sued or him being put down for nothing.

Dartz

If somebody tried to have my dog put down, I'd put them down.

That's all, really.

m@cc@

Dartz wrote: »

If somebody tried to have my dog put down, I'd put them down.

Sounds like Eminem lyrics.

leeroybrown

It's neither. It's the dog's owner's fault. They should count themselves lucky that the bitten party isn't considering legal action.

FarmerGreen

Its a furry crocodile, dont put you hand in its gob.
You cant just stomp up to a strange animal and start fiddling with it.
Stupid twat, serves him right.
Only children and drunks get away with it.

ascanbe

It's mainly the shopkeeper's fault; for not allowing animals on the premises.
Part of the blame should also be apportioned to whomever erected the post the dog was tied to.
Also the makers of any film/tv show that ever depicted either a dog acting viciously or a dog responding affectionately, towards the advances of a stranger, can't be considered blameless; i think it's fair to surmise that both the protagonist and antagonist in this little tale got their ideas from somewhere.

Dartz

m@cc@ wrote: »

Sounds like Eminem lyrics.

I'm not trying to be funny, or popularist with this.

Do not **** with my dog. All dogs will bite if provoked enough. Same as just about anyone will fight back, if provoked. If you want to kill my dog... because you acted the ass and provoked him, good luck mate.

I mean, what sort of arsehole wants to kill a dog? What sort of arsehole will spend thousands going through the bloody courts to do it?

FarmerGreen

Its always a blame/ fault / innocent judgement isnt it.
Strangers meet and interact intuitively.
Mostly a nice experience, but some times they get each other wrong and the maulky happens.
Just one of those things.

bazmaiden

WTF was he doing going near the dog, just leave it alone. I never understood why people do that its almost a compulsion that they have to go over and annoy the dog!!


Dogs are people too you know;)

jimmycrackcorm

umm... The or only speculated that the guy tried to pet the dog. Not that it actually happened. Could simply have been that if walked too close to the dog who felt threatened and attacked.

FarmerGreen

Oh! what a pretty Alsatian, can I give him a hug and a kiss?
Not if you want to keep your face in one bit lady.
Is he vicious then?
Only when people do that sort of thing.

FarmerGreen

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

umm... The or only speculated that the guy tried to pet the dog. Not that it actually happened. Could simply have been that if walked too close to the dog who felt threatened and attacked.

Exactly.

randylonghorn

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

The dog is in the wrong.

Reacts to a friendly gesture with aggression.

Dog is in an unfamiliar place, surrounded by unfamiliar people, no familiar face in sight and tied up to boot and unable to escape ... so the "flight" option in "fight or flight" is not operational.

Very easy to see how he would misinterpret a "friendly gesture", especially if the person approached him too fast.

Now, I wasn't there, but the fact that said person was "ranting and raving that the guards should be called and the dog should be put down" suggests to me that said person isn't really much of a dog person, and may well have approached the animal in a way that it saw as threatening.

I'm notorious for befriending dogs and indeed other animals who I encounter, and I've never gotten bitten or scratched ... because I know how to approach the animal, and I can read its body language well enough to know when to back away if its showing signs of being scared or aggressive.

If I was foolish enough to get myself bitten, I would blame my own stupidity rather than the dog.

Tbh, of the 3 involved here (dog, dog's owner, stranger) I would blame the dog the least.

steph1 wrote: »

People should not be leaving their dogs tied up outside shops. I see this regularly and kids being kids go over to pet the dog. Its not the dogs fault. If you have to go to the shops leave the dog at home ffs.

I agree with this entirely, however.

Tying a dog outside a shop will leave most of them feeling at least nervous, and kids in particular often have better intentions than sense, especially if they don't have a dog at home themselves. Not to mention that some will deliberately taunt and torment the animal, and then scream blue murder if it snaps at them.

positron

I've been bitten twice by dogs, and it was my own fault both times.

If a person is stupid enough to get bitten by a strange dog thats tied to a pole, that person is a danger to the public and should be put down! Who knows what he will get up to next?

Run_to_da_hills

Its lucky it wasn't a crocodile tied to the pole, he could have easily lost his hand.

punchdrunk

I think the dog should be wearing a muzzle if you have to leave him somewhere unattended,even if it's only for five minutes
so it's the owners fault,not the dogs

Run_to_da_hills

punchdrunk wrote: »

I think the dog should be wearing a muzzle if you have to leave him somewhere unattended,even if it's only for five minutes
so it's the owners fault,not the dogs

I would like to see owners of dogs that have bitten given a the chance of having muzzles put on their dogs before any decision to have them put them down.

seamus

randylonghorn wrote: »

Dog is in an unfamiliar place, surrounded by unfamiliar people, no familiar face in sight and tied up to boot and unable to escape ... so the "flight" option in "fight or flight" is not operational.

I can especially see how a younger or even more nervous dog would be in this regard.
No, I'd never tie a dog up outside a shop - especially a supermarket FFS. I feel bad leaving my dog in the car for 5 minutes, I can never understand how some people think it's OK to tie their dog up outside for 30 minutes while they collect a whole basket of stuff.

As for approaching a strange dog, I just use the simple hand test approach: Approach the dog from the front (so he can see you) and offer your hand. The dog will either freak out (telling you to go away), be indifferent (again, go away), or will sniff it and lick it and wag his tail, indicating that you can give him a quick rub. The same approach works for cats. I've never been bitten or scratched yet.

I think the dog should be wearing a muzzle if you have to leave him somewhere unattended,even if it's only for five minutes
so it's the owners fault,not the dogs

It's illegal to leave your dog unattended in public, simple as. Even if the dog is tied up, it's still not under adequate control and it's illegal. I'd say if you muzzled your dog and tied him up somewhere, you'd be more likely to end up in trouble from some idiot reporting a "dangerous dog" having been left outside.

Sofiztikated

leeroybrown wrote: »

It's neither. It's the dog's owner's fault. They should count themselves lucky that the bitten party isn't considering legal action.

Bolix, the dog owner should take a case against yer man for causing the dog undue stress, and potentially poisoning the dog, as the fool like doing stupid things so probably had hand his hand up his ass earlier in the day.

Sharpshooter

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

umm... The or only speculated that the guy tried to pet the dog. Not that it actually happened. Could simply have been that if walked too close to the dog who felt threatened and attacked.

No, the OP said:

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

The person who was bitten stated that all they were doing was patting the dog. Not directly to me but to the owner who came out of the shop at same time I did.

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Pete M. wrote: »

The dog's not necessarily psychotic, I'd run a few tests........

maybe this guy can help
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/rth0529l.jpg

Top Dog

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I'd run to toe of my boot up to the laces in his hole.

I do hope this is a reference to the dogs owner and not the poor bloody dog who shouldn't have been left in such a situation in the first place.

Cookie_Monster

Owners fault, dog not under control of owner which by law they have to be in any public place.

Let the dog live and execute the owner. Justice for all

Whyno

Shoot the tick fcuk for trying to rob the dog imo.....

OctavarIan

Unless the dog is psychologically damaged (which in this case it was not) it's always the human's fault. Dogs are incredibly easy to read.

Cookie_Monster

OctavarIan wrote: »

Unless the dog is psychologically damaged (which in this case it was not) it's always the human's fault. Dogs are incredibly easy to read.

I've never read a dog in my life, a good book or the paper does me

nlgbbbblth

positron wrote: »

I've been bitten twice by dogs, and it was my own fault both times.

I've been badly bitten by dogs on two occasions and it was unprovoked each time.

The second time I crossed a busy road to avoid the dog and the f*cker still bit me.

On a thread like this, full of rabid dog lovers, dissenters do not stand a chance. :rolleyes:

Cats rule.

Mars Bar

Our dog got so excited once she bit someone by accident. Who is to say that the dog was frightened or vicious and not over excited?!

We've always been told since we were knee high by our mother TO NOT RUB/PAT A DOG YOU DON'T KNOW!! Bloody good advice if you ask me, no accidents, no arguments, no tetnis injections.

Simples.

OctavarIan

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

I've been badly bitten by dogs on two occasions and it was unprovoked each time.

What happened on each occasion?

And I agree with you that cats rule. They practically look after themselves and they don't need to be walked or washed. Slightly harder to read than dogs but not significantly so.

Run_to_da_hills

OctavarIan wrote: »

What happened on each occasion?

And I agree with you that cats rule. They practically look after themselves and they don't need to be walked or washed.

Cats kill songbirds. :mad: