so what course do you really hope to get

christmasinjuly

why hello i know most of these post lately are always about study so for once just to make it fun which course do you really really want indefinately. for me its LM102 Bachelor of Science in Pscyhology hopefully.:P

ayumi

well,hopefully biomedical science dit

gemxpink

If I'm honest, I put down Law in various places as my first 5 but I'd be really happy if I got CS & Irish in TCD.

DancingQueen:)

I'm hoping i get Science in Trinity but if the points shoot up not sure if i will. My fingers are crossed though, it's the only one i really want to do!

gant0

I want to do computer science an I.T in NUIG but my 1st choice is undenominated engineering just so I can get a feel for the different kinds of eng...maybe computer eng isn't for me

cork*girl

everyone is going for really sciency things!!! Primary teaching for me.. points will go up I think though.. Il be happy with Arts in Cork though

The___________

Commerce with accounting in NUIG for me.

Conor108

Science in UCD

ciano1

Science NUIG . . . . CS&IT is my 2nd choice

Rossie17

Im working my ass off here for medicine. The HPAT in about 3 weeks :eek:
I dont care where I get it!!!

Liveit

Computer Science in UCC hopefully

Lawliet

DancingQueen:) wrote: »

I'm hoping i get Science in Trinity but if the points shoot up not sure if i will. My fingers are crossed though, it's the only one i really want to do!

Same, I really hope it stays under 460

DancingQueen:)

Lawliet wrote: »

Same, I really hope it stays under 460

See you there then If the points don't go to far up that is, i was thinking it was going to be hard getting 440 but i'm just going to work like mad and hope for the best!

Conor108

Yeah this points malarkey this year is very depressing. If I did my LC 2 years ago my first choice, science in UCD would have been 300 points:eek:

DancingQueen:)

I'm almost regretting picking TY because the points were lower last year, but sure i couldn't have predicted the future! There's so many people going for science this year so the points are more than likely going to go up, but the question is by how much? It's going to be a horrible couple of days after we get our results, waiting to see.

laura93

cork*girl wrote: »

everyone is going for really sciency things!!! Primary teaching for me.. points will go up I think though.. Il be happy with Arts in Cork though

I'm hoping to do primary teaching too :P

gemxpink

DancingQueen:) wrote: »

I'm almost regretting picking TY because the points were lower last year.

I know, tell me about it. Never even thought about the CAO and points race when I decided to do TY!

DancingQueen:)

gemxpink wrote: »

I know, tell me about it. Never even thought about the CAO and points race when I decided to do TY!

Yeah so true, glad i did fourth year but it's a bit stressful now worrying about the points

qwertplaywert

For CAO, first choice for level 8 was Computer Forensics in Waterford I.T. , and for level 7/6, first choice was Computer Security in Letterkenny.
Tbh I'll be disapointed if I don't get into one of my prefered UCAS courses, and have to 'settle' for a CAO course. But beggers can't be choosers!

felic

Seriously guys, I wouldn't worry too much about the points for these courses jumping massive amounts. While its realistic to keep the points level of years prior in mind, it shouldnt be the main focus.
Ok, theres an increase in numbers applying because older people are going back to do more courses etc... but what will happen is..
1- these people will find jobs between now and august and wont take the place even if they get offered one
2- they might not be able to come up with the money to pay to do the course
3- they will more than likely have applied for courses relating to what they already did. So bearing in mind finance, construction, and IT were the sectors most badly hit, the courses with points rising will more than likely be in those sectors with people looking to strengthen their already acquired degrees.
Those courses have been down in points level anyway in the last 2 years or so.

It would be interesting if the CAO released stats on these older primary degree holders not applying via the mature route to see what courses seem to be the most popular.
Medicine, Veterinary, Dentistry, Pharmacy.. will all remain at the reach for the sky level that grind school repeat leaving cert applicants will most likely snap up.

madlad88

Anyone hoping of going to DIT Cathal Brugha Street

Rossie17

felic wrote: »

Seriously guys, I wouldn't worry too much about the points for these courses jumping massive amounts. While its realistic to keep the points level of years prior in mind, it shouldnt be the main focus.
Ok, theres an increase in numbers applying because older people are going back to do more courses etc... but what will happen is..
1- these people will find jobs between now and august and wont take the place even if they get offered one
2- they might not be able to come up with the money to pay to do the course
3- they will more than likely have applied for courses relating to what they already did. So bearing in mind finance, construction, and IT were the sectors most badly hit, the courses with points rising will more than likely be in those sectors with people looking to strengthen their already acquired degrees.
Those courses have been down in points level anyway in the last 2 years or so.

It would be interesting if the CAO released stats on these older primary degree holders not applying via the mature route to see what courses seem to be the most popular.
Medicine, Veterinary, Dentistry, Pharmacy.. will all remain at the reach for the sky level that grind school repeat leaving cert applicants will most likely snap up.

Good points but with the new HPAT the amount of repeats getting into medicine has fallen drastically. Grind schools cant teach you emotional intelligence. All the people who just got 600 points from regurgitation fail heavily at the HPAT, and now 600 points = 560 towards the HPAT so if you are fairly smart and get a good 550 LC points with a good HPAT (aound 165) you will get in, repeat or not.

felic

Ooops. Forgot the HPAT thing. Very true what you said. But its still a rat race to the top for places there... Id say you HAVE to get 550 points to have a solid chance and then at least a 180 score in the HPAT.
But that change they made was a good idea.

Sophsxxx

Journalism and New Media in UL or Liberal Arts on Mary I...not sure which is going at the top.
I hate decisions!:(

Flecktarn

Law with French Law in UCD

unknown13

Law in Trinity

curlypops

im thinking Arts in NUI Maynooth or Modern Languages in UCD ..

PlayGirl

Business and computing in trinity..
It was new last year so it was only 360, does anyone know how much it's likely to go up by?

Rossie17

felic wrote: »

Ooops. Forgot the HPAT thing. Very true what you said. But its still a rat race to the top for places there... Id say you HAVE to get 550 points to have a solid chance and then at least a 180 score in the HPAT.
But that change they made was a good idea.

Im very glad they put it in, otherwise id have no chance. I cant get 600 points, thats just crazy. 550-553 is very accessible though so it really depends on how people get on in the hpat. Some people who got 600 points last year didnt get in and all they needed was 153 in the hpat which is a miniscule 3 points above average intelligence. One worries what kind of doctors we were training before. Obviously the majority were very bright people but there must have been the odd few who were a bit shakey!

felic

fully agree there Rossie. I wanted to be a vet but missed out in it by 20 points! I was so so disgusted in myself and at the time I just could not see how I could have worked harder at anything to get the points I needed and then just accepted my second choice.
Then in uni, I met some of the 'genius' clan who got their 575 points + for Medicine that year and I swear to God... I was so glad I hadnt gotten a place on that course. Nerd city and boring people!!!! I know thats mean but really... the old system was so unfair and unrealistic. To be a good doctor, one needing a bedside manner, you really need to have a personality thats both clever, understanding, no nonsense yet compassionate, and yet 9 out of 10 students who were doing Medicine, just did not have that...!

I looked at the HPAT sample papers and actually gave it a shot out of curiosity. Section 1 seemed to be ok, but the last few questions were so long and the questions were very confusing. Section 2 was lovely, but then Section 3 was really weird as well. Some of the sequences were fine but ones again towards the end were like random things grabbed from the solar system and you have to make a sequence somehow. Impossible to prepare for but I think its a fair system. I just would have thought it to make more sense, seeing the capped the points at a minimum 480, that those 480 should be the max you can get. Then its down to the HPAT.

I really hope they start doing similar testing methods for the other sky high points courses. Or at the very least, an interview process or practical exam.

HQvhs

Im very glad they put it in, otherwise id have no chance. I cant get 600 points, thats just crazy. 550-553 is very accessible though so it really depends on how people get on in the hpat. Some people who got 600 points last year didnt get in and all they needed was 153 in the hpat which is a miniscule 3 points above average intelligence. One worries what kind of doctors we were training before. Obviously the majority were very bright people but there must have been the odd few who were a bit shakey!

153 is not 3 points above average intelligence for a few reasons.
1. The HPAT is an aptitude test, not an intelligence test. It tests only a persons aptitude at skills identified as important for a competent health professional.
2. 150 is not average. 150 is the median mark achieved by those who sat the HPAT. I think it would be reasonable to assume that those who sat the HPAT do not represent an accurate cross-section of society.
So I don't think it's fair to say that one should worry about the quality of doctor we were training before the introduction of this test. The points required for medicine previously were very difficult to attain, and required hard work and dedication. Anyone who achieved this would more than likely make a fine doctor IMHO.
However, I do think the introduction of the HPAT has been a good idea, and it does relieve the pressure on students quite a bit. The 550 cut off point is fair though I think.

fully agree there Rossie. I wanted to be a vet but missed out in it by 20 points! I was so so disgusted in myself and at the time I just could not see how I could have worked harder at anything to get the points I needed and then just accepted my second choice.
Then in uni, I met some of the 'genius' clan who got their 575 points + for Medicine that year and I swear to God... I was so glad I hadnt gotten a place on that course. Nerd city and boring people!!!! I know thats mean but really... the old system was so unfair and unrealistic. To be a good doctor, one needing a bedside manner, you really need to have a personality thats both clever, understanding, no nonsense yet compassionate, and yet 9 out of 10 students who were doing Medicine, just did not have that...!

I don't think that sweeping generalisation is fair at all. The vast majority of med students I know, both in my year (people who have done the HPAT) and in older years (those that got in on the old system) are very sociable, friendly and compassionate people.

Rossie17

HQvhs wrote: »

153 is not 3 points above average intelligence for a few reasons.
1. The HPAT is an aptitude test, not an intelligence test. It tests only a persons aptitude at skills identified as important for a competent health professional.
2. 150 is not average. 150 is the median mark achieved by those who sat the HPAT. I think it would be reasonable to assume that those who sat the HPAT do not represent an accurate cross-section of society.
So I don't think it's fair to say that one should worry about the quality of doctor we were training before the introduction of this test. The points required for medicine previously were very difficult to attain, and required hard work and dedication. Anyone who achieved this would more than likely make a fine doctor IMHO.
However, I do think the introduction of the HPAT has been a good idea, and it does relieve the pressure on students quite a bit. The 550 cut off point is fair though I think.

I see what you are saying however I cant agree with you. ACER force the results to become a bell curve, and 150 is the average. Now you seem to have picked up on the word intelligence that I used, however I meant EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE which the HPAT judges. As I said lots of people were definately going to become good doctors,

HQvhs wrote: »

I don't think that sweeping generalisation is fair at all. The vast majority of med students I know, both in my year (people who have done the HPAT) and in older years (those that got in on the old system) are very sociable, friendly and compassionate people.

Of course, Im not saying if you get 600 points you are emotionally void. I happen to know of 2 examples of leaving certs who got some very good teachers to write them some sample A1 material, and learned this off like crazy until they could adjust it to their own desires. This is how they got 600 points.

This gave them a huge advantage for rhe HPAT, however with the HPAT, they were not able to get on 3 points better then our average joe of 150, while very bright people were getting 200+. These people over 200 or around it can think very well in pressurised environments with a serious time limit (110 questions in the time allowed is quit thin indeed), with something you cant learn off before hand. Yes the others were dedicated and gave a lot of time to perfecting their papers, but how long do you have if you are at a road side accident etc. and someone is dying on you? Or you have to deal with people's feelings and peoblems? Your amazing three and a half page essay on Fadhb na nDrugaí wont help you here my friend.

aimerlans

Civil Law-DCU

HQvhs

Rossie17 wrote: »

I see what you are saying however I cant agree with you. ACER force the results to become a bell curve, and 150 is the average. Now you seem to have picked up on the word intelligence that I used, however I meant EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE which the HPAT judges. As I said lots of people were definately going to become good doctors,

Yes, they do. A bell curve of everyone who sat the HPAT. I'm aware this is only my experience, but I found that the vast majority of people I know who sat the HPAT were very intelligent people. I certainly wouldn't go looking down at a score of "only" 150 as indicating a person would be a poor doctor. It doesn't measure emotional intelligence per se. Rather, it measures interpersonal understanding. And, this is only one of three components of the test. One could score highly in this area and poorly in the other two. (And vice versa)

Of course, Im not saying if you get 600 points you are emotionally void. I happen to know of 2 examples of leaving certs who got some very good teachers to write them some sample A1 material, and learned this off like crazy until they could adjust it to their own desires. This is how they got 600 points.

This gave them a huge advantage for rhe HPAT, however with the HPAT, they were not able to get on 3 points better then our average joe of 150, while very bright people were getting 200+. These people over 200 or around it can think very well in pressurised environments with a serious time limit (110 questions in the time allowed is quit thin indeed), with something you cant learn off before hand. Yes the others were dedicated and gave a lot of time to perfecting their papers, but how long do you have if you are at a road side accident etc. and someone is dying on you? Or you have to deal with people's feelings and peoblems? Your amazing three and a half page essay on Fadhb na nDrugaí wont help you here my friend.

A lot of the medicine course is learning off and hard graft unfortunately. I don't mean rote-learning, you need to understand everything. But the course matter is particularly intellectually challenging (compared to say, theoretical physics), there's just a lot of it and you need to be able to recall it all and know when to use it. The ability to get high points in the leaving cert is definitely a useful skill in medicine.
It is, of course, true that the ability to think quickly on your feet is necessary though.

Rossie17

HQvhs wrote: »

Yes, they do. A bell curve of everyone who sat the HPAT. I'm aware this is only my experience, but I found that the vast majority of people I know who sat the HPAT were very intelligent people. I certainly wouldn't go looking down at a score of "only" 150 as indicating a person would be a poor doctor. It doesn't measure emotional intelligence per se. Rather, it measures interpersonal understanding. And, this is only one of three components of the test. One could score highly in this area and poorly in the other two. (And vice versa)




A lot of the medicine course is learning off and hard graft unfortunately. I don't mean rote-learning, you need to understand everything. But the course matter is particularly intellectually challenging (compared to say, theoretical physics), there's just a lot of it and you need to be able to recall it all and know when to use it. The ability to get high points in the leaving cert is definitely a useful skill in medicine.
It is, of course, true that the ability to think quickly on your feet is necessary though.

Yeah fair enough.

Kersmash

Computer Science in UCC.

randylonghorn

Ah here! Does every thread have to become a HPAT thread or a CAO predicted points thread?

Any hope those arguments could stay in their own threads?

Ddemo

:DUL Financial Maths:D:D

poppygirlx

Social Care baybeeeee.
But uh all depends on the points.

The_Fear_1993

I put down medicine everywhere and i'd take it anywhere but I'd prefer Dublin......540 points will be hard tho

Ash_M

B. Ed, possibly with Psychology. Dream course really.

FridaysWell

Physiotherapy in the Royal College of Surgeons....

Looks a loooong and hard way off after my mocks
Please let me in

Junco Partner

music technology in l.i.t its the only thing i applied for i'll repeat if i dont get it

RexMundi

History & Politics is my top choice which shoudn't be too much trouble.

However I just got a conditional for War Studies and History @ King's College which would require 550 :O

ps3man

Primary School Teaching in either St Pats, Marino and Frobel, Hopefully the points don't spike as much as they are expected to. If not then economics and geography in Trinity.

LovexxLife

I have Arts Down in UCD, have an offer from Queens for Archaeology, but I think my actual Course that i think i wanna do now is Event management in DIT

*giggles*

I would really love to get Culinary Arts in DIT. Their Open Day was awesome. If not, I have Culinary Entrepreneurship down as well, but it's Culinary Arts as my first choice:)

LovexxLife

*giggles* wrote: »

I would really love to get Culinary Arts in DIT. Their Open Day was awesome.

Hey are you going to their open day on thursday?

*giggles*

LovexxLife wrote: »

Hey are you going to their open day on thursday?

I would really love to, but school/other commitments forbids it:( You going to it?

LiNgWiStIkZ

Multimedia in CSN, Cork. No points - just portfolio and interview. Hopefully i'll get in, I have a good enough chance I think!

LovexxLife

*giggles* wrote: »

I would really love to, but school/other commitments forbids it:( You going to it?

Aww,yep Im going to it cos i have baking arts management down