Law bcl

arryanna

Hey, I'm thinking about law next year in UCD. Just wondering if anyone has any insight which i may find useful?

college seems so daunting and i'm trying to ensure i make the right choice!

RandolphEsq

I'd recommend it. Easy to study and do well in exams without much work so plenty of time for sports and a social life.
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arryanna

thanks a million!
is the course interesting?

RandolphEsq

arryanna wrote: »

thanks a million!
is the course interesting?

The content is for the most part quite interesting, obviously at times it gets stuffy and boring. I'd recommend a 'Law with' degree (History/Politics/Economics/Philosophy) as the Arts subjects add that bit extra to the law side
You better possess a decent ability at and keen interest in essay writing for this course

errlloyd

Doing BCL, I'd recommend you did the pure law BCL option unless you really think you'll get bored easily doing law, however this is only because in reality I am lazy. Most of the Law-with students (in my experience, and certainly in my year) really hate the "with" part of their course, with the possible exception of the economics crew.

Pure law is great, I couldn't be happier.

RandolphEsq

errlloyd wrote: »

Doing BCL, I'd recommend you did the pure law BCL option unless you really think you'll get bored easily doing law, however this is only because in reality I am lazy. Most of the Law-with students (in my experience, and certainly in my year) really hate the "with" part of their course, with the possible exception of the economics crew.

Pure law is great, I couldn't be happier.

Don't listen to this, he's just trying to ruin your college life!

errlloyd

Like if you wanna pollute your nice law degree with arts, go ahead

And if you wanna spend the next 4 years in the Gym do B&L

(I kid, I kid, merits to all of them...)

RandolphEsq

In some countries you have to do Arts before you touch law

errlloyd

Are we trying to base our education on the American Model? Cause lets face it, its not really something to aspire to....

RandolphEsq

But it is; Harvard, MIT, Yale, Duke, Berkeley etc. etc.

bahhoweya

Hi,
I recommend pure law too, the "law with" cources limit the choice of law subjects you can do quite severly IMO, because some are mandatory for recognition in Kings Inns/Law Society/England etc etc, if you have an interest in another subject take it as an elective, but I remember in my first year most "law withs" trying to change in the first few weeks!

However, there are some downsides to UCD law, you are very geographically isolated and the facilities are terrible, they are planning on building an entirely new law buliding some time in the distant future, and because of this refuse to make any improvements to the current building. It lacks heating, water fountains, decent food, to name a few!

I find the majority of the lecturers are of a very high quality though, and the structure of 6 subjects per semester is manageable.

One think I recommend to any student entering into law now is start thinking about the future early! Take note of what subjects you need for your degree to be recognised, and try to spread them over the three years, rather than leave them all for you finals!

Any questions feel free to PM me!

SarcasticFairy

bahhoweya wrote: »

However, there are some downsides to UCD law, you are very geographically isolated and the facilities are terrible, they are planning on building an entirely new law buliding some time in the distant future, and because of this refuse to make any improvements to the current building. It lacks heating, water fountains, decent food, to name a few!

What a bizarre reason to dislike UCD law

I've never found any huge problems with heat in Roebuck, but obviously one should choose their course based on the presence of water fountains. I have found them to be integral, really.... :rolleyes:

Fad

bahhoweya wrote: »

One think I recommend to any student entering into law now is start thinking about the future early! Take note of what subjects you need for your degree to be recognised, and try to spread them over the three years, rather than leave them all for you finals!

It's a four year course

errlloyd

In fairness SarcasticFairy we're never in anything other than theatre 1 and 2.

Unless we go to tutorials.... Which might happen sometimes, in the future, maybe....

SarcasticFairy

errlloyd wrote: »

In fairness SarcasticFairy we're never in anything other than theatre 1 and 2.

Unless we go to tutorials.... Which might happen sometimes, in the future, maybe....

This is true, but eh, water fountains would still not be first on my list of things to look for in a course, s'all.

errlloyd

However both of us frequently moan about the ****ing trek and half to Roebuck...

SarcasticFairy

errlloyd wrote: »

However both of us frequently moan about the ****ing trek and half to Roebuck...

I've taken to saying I've to walk to Wicklow......

I regularly miss lectures because I don't want to walk all the way down there. (I am actually that lazy, and also, it rains, and that is a miserable, miserable walk when you could be... anywhere else. Not getting very, very wet.)

(It's actually maybe a ten minute walk, but like... still.)

arryanna

is roebuck that bad??

RandolphEsq

arryanna wrote: »

is roebuck that bad??

It's a castle with a courtyard for budding law students to loiter and discuss stimulating legal topics whilst sipping on the finest fairtrade coffee UCD has to offer. Many Supreme Court and High Court judges recall fondly many brilliant arguments they had in that courtyard.
Roebuck is mystical and romantic, with a classic, timeless charm. So it isn't all that bad.
We'll see you in September we hope

RichTea

RandolphEsq wrote: »

It's a castle with a courtyard for budding law students to loiter and discuss stimulating legal topics whilst sipping on the finest fairtrade coffee UCD has to offer. Many Supreme Court and High Court judges recall fondly many brilliant arguments they had in that courtyard.
Roebuck is mystical and romantic, with a classic, timeless charm. So it isn't all that bad.
We'll see you in September we hope

I agree with the quality of the coffee - probably the best on campus. I sense some sarcasm in your beautiful description of old Roebuck but I must protest anyway - I have no love for it at all.

RandolphEsq

RichTea wrote: »

I agree with the quality of the coffee - probably the best on campus. I sense some sarcasm in your beautiful description of old Roebuck but I must protest anyway - I have no love for it at all.

That's the beauty of it; it doesn't need your love and it doesn't love you. But the love for law is the mutual ground on which a passive relationship exists between man and castle

SarcasticFairy

arryanna wrote: »

is roebuck that bad??

Nah, not at all. It's grand Bit of a trek, but I am really just dramatic, and very lazy!

Also, you spend very little of your time there, in first year anyway. Probably spend more time there as you go on, but we're in Arts/Science more often at the moment

arryanna

thanks a million you guys hope to be joining ye in september

bonerjams03

Could I ask whether the "Law with" courses automatically qualify you for the entrance exams in the Kings Inns? Is it possible to choose modules specifically to cater for these? Essentially what would these give me in terms of being able to sit the Kings Inns' exam or would I have to do just Law.
Cheers...

RandolphEsq

IRcolm wrote: »

Could I ask whether the "Law with" courses automatically qualify you for the entrance exams in the Kings Inns? Is it possible to choose modules specifically to cater for these? Essentially what would these give me in terms of being able to sit the Kings Inns' exam or would I have to do just Law.
Cheers...

The BCL with is the exact same as the BCL so you can sort out your entrance criteria through adequate module selection

08421331

Hi! I'm in second year BCL. it is interesting, but there is tons of reading to do and if you want to do well u need to do it. It's handy in first year, but gets a bit more competitive in degree years.
But if you feel u'd like it, go for it! U can ask me questions if you want.

08421331

Try getting up to Roebuck for 9am monday morning! Painful!

Jev/N

08421331 wrote: »

Hi! I'm in second year BCL. it is interesting, but there is tons of reading to do and if you want to do well u need to do it. It's handy in first year, but gets a bit more competitive in degree years.
But if you feel u'd like it, go for it! U can ask me questions if you want.

That's hardly your student number as your username?!

arryanna

Anyone reckon the points will rise dramatically for law this September?? (I hope not)

errlloyd

They'll rise a bit, I'd say 480. 470 was a freak low due to an illogical idea that recession in 2009 = no jobs when you get qualified in 2016...

RichTea

arryanna wrote: »

Anyone reckon the points will rise dramatically for law this September?? (I hope not)

I wouldn't worry too much about that. Stick it out!

arryanna

I got 460 in my mocks so heres hoping... With the aid of caffeine and cake I'm determined to get through the next few weeks

Deus Ex Machina

arryanna wrote: »

I got 460 in my mocks so heres hoping... With the aid of caffeine and cake I'm determined to get through the next few weeks

Already going on about being fueled by caffeine? You will fit right in with the monstrously banal college folk just fine. Just make sure you have a few facebook status updates about how hungover you are written in the third person to seal the deal.

RandolphEsq

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

Already going on about being fueled by caffeine? You will fit right in with the monstrously banal college folk just fine. Just make sure you have a few facebook status updates about how hungover you are written in the third person to seal the deal.

To be fair, the third person status updates are the result of Facebook. One cannot update their status in the first person. This is because Facebook are an evil corporation who are slowly but surely turning us into soulless beings who do what they are told by those in charge. Step 1; Make them refer to themselves in the 3rd person so as to leave them out of touch with themselves and chip away at their ability to think autonomously

EDIT: It's already happening! I jumped from the tense of 'us' to the tense of 'they' in the one sentence!
/closes Facebook tab

Deus Ex Machina

RandolphEsq wrote: »

To be fair, the third person status updates are the result of Facebook. One cannot update their status in the first person. This is because Facebook are an evil corporation who are slowly but surely turning us into soulless beings who do what they are told by those in charge. Step 1; Make them refer to themselves in the 3rd person so as to leave them out of touch with themselves and chip away at their ability to think autonomously

EDIT: It's already happening! I jumped from the tense of 'us' to the tense of 'they' in the one sentence!
/closes Facebook tab

I can and do update in 1st person, it just takes ignoring the face that your name appears quite close, but it is in an entirely different font so it doesn't look that weird. I enjoin everyone to do the same.

errlloyd

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

I can and do update in 1st person, it just takes ignoring the face that your name appears quite close, but it is in an entirely different font so it doesn't look that weird. I enjoin everyone to do the same.

I think I'd enjoin your posts more if the face that you could spell was true.


On a side note whoever said ignore points was dead right.

Everyone needs an aim to do well in the leaving cert. When your are trying to toss up whether you should start studying or watch one more episode of family guy you need something to think about.

For really motivated people they just think about doing well. For people like me, I look at law, realised it was 10 hours a week with almost no coursework. And realised that the laziest possible course of action, was to work my ass off.

Worth it.

Deus Ex Machina

errlloyd wrote: »

I think I'd enjoin your posts more if the face that you could spell was true.


On a side note whoever said ignore points was dead right.

Everyone needs an aim to do well in the leaving cert. When your are trying to toss up whether you should start studying or watch one more episode of family guy you need something to think about.

For really motivated people they just think about doing well. For people like me, I look at law, realised it was 10 hours a week with almost no coursework. And realised that the laziest possible course of action, was to work my ass off.

Worth it.

I don't know how to spell fact, or it could be a typo, either way you look cool for mentioning it.

Edit: facebook status updates are usually so painful anyway that such things as using the 3rd person become less significant.

Limerickhurler

Well lads. I hope to study law next year but dont have a clue where to go. Everyone says Trinity is the best. What are UCC and UCD like for law or does it matter where you go? I know the course in UCC is only 3 yrs, does that matter? Any advice please. Btw I want to become a barrister.

_JOE_

Jev/N wrote: »

That's hardly your student number as your username?!

Certainly looks like it, 2008 the year in which he/she started first year (as they mention they are in 2nd year)

All we need now is a date of birth in their profile to access their sis account:D:p

jacko1

Limerickhurler wrote: »

Well lads. I hope to study law next year but dont have a clue where to go. Everyone says Trinity is the best. What are UCC and UCD like for law or does it matter where you go? I know the course in UCC is only 3 yrs, does that matter? Any advice please. Btw I want to become a barrister.

UCC very good - around 120 students per year - good lecturers - very good for public law - constitutional, eu, administrative, human rights, environmental etc.

yourmother

jacko1 wrote: »

UCC very good - around 120 students per year - good lecturers - very good for public law - constitutional, eu, administrative, human rights, environmental etc.

Would you happen to know why the degree in UCC is 3 years and in UCD it's 4 years?

Jev/N

yourmother wrote: »

Would you happen to know why the degree in UCC is 3 years and in UCD it's 4 years?

It's the institution's choice. UCD BCL used to be 3 years until recently.

One of the reasons I imagine is that if you did B&L for 4 years, you were getting most of the options that you could get if you did a 3 year BCL

Tea-a-Maria

I wouldn't rule out a Law with course if you're interested in it!I'm doing Law with History and love the variety of the course.While doing the essays for history was hard at first it's a big help for the law ones,which usually need more research.

Also,you really don't hang around Roebuck as much as people say,since most of the lectures are big and are in the bigger theatres in the Arts or Science buildings.You'd swear it was in the back arse of nowhere the way some people here are talking!:pIt's ten minutes,max.

I'd be wary of the size of the course actually,as it can be difficult to settle in.I know bugger all people in my class, and made all my friends in societies and on campus accomodation.

I'd definitely recommend coming to UCD though,it's a great college for law,the lecturers are great.PM me if you have any more questions.:)