Human Implanted Microchips

Truthrevolution

I thought this was another very important issue that needs discussion.Does anybody think they are a good idea? Who will/will not accept them? Does anybody still think they are a conspiracy theory?

Lab_Mouse

A link?

No i wouldnt allow a chip to be implanted in me.If they want to know my name they can fekkin ask me!!(presuming its that type of chip you are talking about:) )

studiorat

Before this turns into a discussion on Voodoo and the book of Revelations. RFID chips are pretty usless as a security device. They can be scanned much easier than any credit card card can, and erased easliy too.

I suppose if it held medical information for, I dunno allergies in case of medical emergencies or something. But I think they would be too easy to erase by accident at the moment.

If they actually were of any use I wouldn't have a problem with one. I've often though a firewire port or a MIDI lead somewhere discreet would be handy.

Run_to_da_hills

Truthrevolution wrote: »

I thought this was another very important issue that needs discussion.Does anybody think they are a good idea? Who will/will not accept them? Does anybody still think they are a conspiracy theory?

Indeed an important issue and something that we will hear a lot more about in the coming future. We will only hear about all the many "good" points like keeping tabs on the elderly, early parole release for prisoners, monitoring sex offenders, monitoring infectious diseases, increased security, commerce and recreational.
Good site for reference to whats going on.

studiorat

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Indeed an important issue and something that we will hear a lot more about in the coming future. We will only hear about all the many "good" points like keeping tabs on the elderly, early parole release for prisoners, monitoring sex offenders, monitoring infectious diseases, increased security, commerce and recreational.
Good site for reference to whats going on.

The newspaper article from Indonesia is from 2008, a few months after they held a huge international conference on the technology. They were going mad thinking of chipping everything possible. It also says it was a threat to people with AIDS in the east of the country who insisted on still being promiscious. Religious ritual there involves sex with multiple partners.

The other article is 6 years old at this stage.

Apart from making Passports easier to counterfeit RFID is pretty useless as a security device. It's just too easy to mess with them. If you really are concerned about RFID you chould start learning about computer programming and download this : http://openmrtd.org/about.html#why

http://www.libnfc.org/documentation/introduction

So rather than whining about now you can actually do something if you want!

All the fuss about this must be like christmas for the manafactures of this technology. I mean the Luas uses RFID to read tickets ffs!!!!

And Hey! If it's open source I'm all for it!

BTW if there are any Lizzards or budding NWO types don't forget to order all your top secret chip technology from these guys http://www.alientechnology.com/products/index.phpTell 'em I sent ya!

Truthrevolution

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Indeed an important issue and something that we will hear a lot more about in the coming future. We will only hear about all the many "good" points like keeping tabs on the elderly, early parole release for prisoners, monitoring sex offenders, monitoring infectious diseases, increased security, commerce and recreational.
Good site for reference to whats going on.

I have heard of that movement before but thats the first time iv read up on the website.Interesting reading, really gives credence to the term "Your only a (serial) number".No amount of propoganda will convince people that this is a good thing, they will have to be enticed or forced to accept it.
But most people know that its just going to be another step towards malthusian ownership of the people.To the global elite we will merely be objects of posession, pieces of equipment that can be switched off if causing trouble or getting in the way of global dictatorship takeover.
From the words of IBMs CEO Sam Palmisano "Any person, any object, any process or any service, for any organisation, large or small-can become digitally aware and networked" he stated when addressing the elite at the council of foreign relations (subgroup of the Bilderberg) last year.

Truthrevolution

studiorat wrote: »

The newspaper article from Indonesia is from 2008, a few months after they held a huge international conference on the technology. They were going mad thinking of chipping everything possible. It also says it was a threat to people with AIDS in the east of the country who insisted on still being promiscious. Religious ritual there involves sex with multiple partners.

The other article is 6 years old at this stage.

Apart from making Passports easier to counterfeit RFID is pretty useless as a security device. It's just too easy to mess with them. If you really are concerned about RFID you chould start learning about computer programming and download this : http://openmrtd.org/about.html#why

http://www.libnfc.org/documentation/introduction

So rather than whining about now you can actually do something if you want!

All the fuss about this must be like christmas for the manafactures of this technology. I mean the Luas uses RFID to read tickets ffs!!!!

And Hey! If it's open source I'm all for it!

Its not the Luas or the passports that we are worried about, its the fact that the corporate elite have plans to inject these chips into every man woman and child.

RoboClam

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Its not the Luas or the passports that we are worried about, its the fact that the corporate elite have plans to inject these chips into every man woman and child.

Well I don't usually ask for a source, but in this case you seem very sure about this. What are you basing this on?

uprising2

Studiorat you seem to be quite an expert on RFID chips, your naive if you believe all you say about them, what we know and what the developers and producers know are 2 VERY different levels, and exactly how advanced they are now we will never know, because we shouldnt know!.

I for one will never accept one, but then again who says I need to accept or not, Nanotechnology is another thing we know nothing about, so these implants could be microscopic and the powers that be always have cunning ways to get their way, I am not stating this as fact, just possibility, and not actually that far fetched.

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Its not the Luas or the passports that we are worried about, its the fact that the corporate elite have plans to inject these chips into every man woman and child.

Tell them to Fcuk off!

Truthrevolution

studiorat wrote: »

Tell them to Fcuk off!

Thats a very hardline approach to take, you obviously dont take too kindly to these invasions.I wonder will you have the same aproach when they force you to walk through these new scanning machines.

Truthrevolution

RoboClam wrote: »

Well I don't usually ask for a source, but in this case you seem very sure about this. What are you basing this on?

There is bunle loads of evidence to support the claims i will link some sources when i get a bit of time.

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Thats a very hardline approach to take, you obviously dont take too kindly to these invasions.I wonder will you have the same aproach when they force you to walk through these new scanning machines.

Hardline? You don't get out much do you? I won't be told what to do all the same I don't play fantasy games like there's some secret global cabal running the world. (If there was do you seriously think YOU would know about it?) If more people took the same approach, maybe so many people wouldn't be afraid of everything that has the word "radiation" attached to it and be a little more rational.

BTW. Without using the usual cliches or the word elite or lizzzzard, can you tell me; Who exactly is "they"? And what scanning machines?

@upsign
My naive? Nope, I only posted from a developers personal site. What we know and what they know is only seperated by our ability to understand the technology and the time we have available to study it. This stuff is not being developed in some secret bunker or something. It's out there to be bought and sold. Sorry to rain on your parade but it's boring technology that's been around in one form or other since 1915.

The nano technology you speak of is science fiction. The word has crept in through the conspiracy of marketing and Star Trek. Machines like this are purely speculation.

mysterious

The funny part of all this.. and its hilarious.

Why would anyone put a micro chip want to be microchipped. Why has this not been asked. Now it's not even funny as I've just realised the horror and apathy we do to ourselves blindly.

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

There is bunle loads of evidence to support the claims i will link some sources when i get a bit of time.

Have a read of this before you do.:D

http://www.linfo.org/peer_review.html

studiorat

mysterious wrote: »

The funny part of all this.. and its hilarious.

Why would anyone put a micro chip want to be microchipped. Why has this not been asked. Now it's not even funny as I've just realised the horror and apathy we do to ourselves blindly.

True we do terrible apathy to ourselves alright. I hope I can trust you Misterious to tell the corporate elites to "f-off" when the come knocking at your door with their death chips and nanobots.

Truthrevolution

RoboClam wrote: »

Well I don't usually ask for a source, but in this case you seem very sure about this. What are you basing this on?

Heres a link to their slick new website http://www.positiveidcorp.com where they talk about their new product.Check out the "about us" section where they strategically target the two sensitive areas first, the health services and security services.They also state how the idea first came about from the 9/11 false flag attack. (again using the war on terror to strip away peoples liberties)

Heres an official advert for the RFID implantable microchip, clearly targetting humans (elderly healthcare patients first up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RKog5dMlxA

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

@upsign
My naive? Nope, I only posted from a developers personal site. What we know and what they know is only seperated by our ability to understand the technology and the time we have available to study it. This stuff is not being developed in some secret bunker or something. It's out there to be bought and sold. Sorry to rain on your parade but it's boring technology that's been around in one form or other since 1915.

The nano technology you speak of is science fiction. The word has crept in through the conspiracy of marketing and Star Trek. Machines like this are purely speculation.

You posted from a developers personal site, ohh thats great, silly me.
Have you ever heard of porton down or fort detrick?, do you know everthing that goes on there?

Nanotechnology is science fiction?, your raining on your own parade my friend, not mine.
PLEASE CLICK HERE STUDIORAT

IT DOESNT LINK TO STAR TREK

uprising2

Or maybe try this link studiorat, again its not a link to star trek, and you were naive to assume nanotechnology is star trek science fiction created by conspiracy theorists.
That says it all???, I don't know????

http://www.nano.gov/
The National Nanotechnology initiative (NNI) provides multi agency framework to ensure U.S. leadership in nanotechnology that will be essential to improved human health, economic wellbeing and national security. The NNI invests in fundamental research to further understanding of nanoscale phenomena and facilitates technology transfer.

PS my name is not upsign

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

Or maybe try this link studiorat, again its not a link to star trek, and you were naive to assume nanotechnology is star trek science fiction created by conspiracy theorists.
That says it all???, I don't know????

http://www.nano.gov/
The National Nanotechnology initiative (NNI) provides multi agency framework to ensure U.S. leadership in nanotechnology that will be essential to improved human health, economic wellbeing and national security. The NNI invests in fundamental research to further understanding of nanoscale phenomena and facilitates technology transfer.

PS my name is not upsign

I've read these and can't find application where this technology has the functionality of a mircochip. Sure there are materials that are a nanometer thick. But they are placed inside other BIGGER components. That's what nanotechnology is! So like you say you obviously don't know.

The technology is in the materials. You have "nano technology" at component not at a system level.

Do you even read the links you post?

mysterious

studiorat wrote: »

True we do terrible apathy to ourselves alright. I hope I can trust you Misterious to tell the corporate elites to "f-off" when the come knocking at your door with their death chips and nanobots.

You spelt my public name wrong.


But can I ask are you been sarcastic here. Sarcasm isn't appropriate or really hip suit on threadds such as these, as its a serious matter.

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

The nano technology you speak of is science fiction. The word has crept in through the conspiracy of marketing and Star Trek. Machines like this are purely speculation.

studiorat wrote: »

That's what nanotechnology is! So like you say you obviously don't know.

So which is it?
Its science fiction and doesn't exist OR It does exist and I know nothing about it?

In post#9, I state "Nanotechnology is another thing we know nothing about"

First you say it's science fiction, then you say I know nothing about it, which I agree with, and if you look at post #9 you'll also see that.
Tell me something I don't know.

Thanks for the laugh.:pac:

uncleoswald

uprising2 wrote: »

So which is it?
Its science fiction and doesn't exist OR It does exist and I know nothing about it?

In post#9, I state "Nanotechnology is another thing we know nothing about"

First you say it's science fiction, then you say I know nothing about it, which I agree with, and if you look at post #9 you'll also see that.
Tell me something I don't know.

Thanks for the laugh.:pac:

I'd re-read studiorat's sentence you helpfully underlined, specifically the three middle words.

uprising2

uncleoswald wrote: »

I'd re-read studiorat's sentence you helpfully underlined, specifically the three middle words.

What?, the nanotechnology "I speak of"?, and what is that?, I said we know nothing about nanotechnology, studiorat said it was science fiction from star trek, then did a 180 and told me what I already stated, we (including studiorat) know nothing about it or how advanced it is.

I don't see any problem for me here, what I was saying and if you read it again you'll see I state "I am not stating this as fact, just possibility, and not actually that far fetched.".

What I'm saying is that RFID chips possibly could be made microscopic, and it's not science fiction or something I need to rephrase.

Truthrevolution

uprising2 wrote: »

So which is it?
Its science fiction and doesn't exist OR It does exist and I know nothing about it?

In post#9, I state "Nanotechnology is another thing we know nothing about"

First you say it's science fiction, then you say I know nothing about it, which I agree with, and if you look at post #9 you'll also see that.
Tell me something I don't know.

Thanks for the laugh.:pac:

Your wasting your time trying to justify your argument with that guy, you mite aswell beat your head off a brick wall

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Your wasting your time trying to justify your argument with that guy, you mite aswell beat your head off a brick wall

Agggghhh!!!! Mod Mod !!!! Personal Abuse!!!! Those nasty boys are picking on me!!!

Upissing. You are arguing semantics at this stage. What you seem to understand Nano Technology as being, is Science Fiction. Nano Technology is a materials technology for the most. It's a catch phrase, much like RFID. Or like .com was years ago.

If you have the words nano technology attached to your company investors will be wetting their knickers trying to get involved.

In other news, I recieved my first RFID piece of kit in the post today. Judging by the size of it, I'm pretty glad that it's not going inside me. Well maybe after a few drinks and just for giggles. :eek:

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

Agggghhh!!!! Mod Mod !!!! Personal Abuse!!!! Those nasty boys are picking on me!!!

Upissing. You are arguing semantics at this stage. What you seem to understand Nano Technology as being, is Science Fiction. Nano Technology is a materials technology for the most. It's a catch phrase, much like RFID. Or like .com was years ago.

If you have the words nano technology attached to your company investors will be wetting their knickers trying to get involved.

In other news, I recieved my first RFID piece of kit in the post today. Judging by the size of it, I'm pretty glad that it's not going inside me. Well maybe after a few drinks and just for giggles. :eek:

Upissing?, who the fukk is upissing?, I just deleted my real response, you thought nanotechnology was science fiction, you were wrong and made look like a fool, now you resort to comedy and name calling, haha.

Quit with the silly name calling, studiorat.

I can see the direction this thread is going, and unless you want it closed, make sure it doesn't go there.

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

Upissing?, who the fukk is upissing?, I just deleted my real response, you thought nanotechnology was science fiction, you were wrong and made look like a fool, now you resort to comedy and name calling, haha.

Nope. I told you that you didn't really understand what nano technology is, which is putting it mildly btw.

I said it was, AS YOU UNDERSTOOD IT, in the realms of Science Fiction. I tried to explain that it is a materials science for the most part. And that it does not have the functionality of a microchip, and that seemed to go over your head too. Have a look at the WIKI page for a start, it'll tell you if you can understand that what you are discussing is purely specaluative.

Now, slowly read over the previous a few times before you reply and if you think this technology is something else kindly entertain us and relate..,

Uprising? Bob Marley would turn in his grave...

Truthrevolution

studiorat wrote: »

Nope. I told you that you didn't really understand what nano technology is, which is putting it mildly btw.

I said it was, AS YOU UNDERSTOOD IT, in the realms of Science Fiction. I tried to explain that it is a materials science for the most part. And that it does not have the functionality of a microchip, and that seemed to go over your head too. Have a look at the WIKI page for a start, it'll tell you if you can understand that what you are discussing is purely specaluative.

Now, slowly read over the previous a few times before you reply and if you think this technology is something else kindly entertain us and relate..,

Uprising? Bob Marley would turn in his grave...

Your a little bit late with your reply :pac:

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Your a little bit late with your reply :pac:

I'm a busy Rat. Stuff to be doing out in the real world. But it's OK, I'm back.

So apologies for keeping you all waiting, where were we? Did we have a look to see what Nano Technology really means?

BTW my new RFID is working just dandy in case you were wondering.

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

I'm a busy Rat. Stuff to be doing out in the real world. But it's OK, I'm back.

So apologies for keeping you all waiting, where were we? Did we have a look to see what Nano Technology really means?

BTW my new RFID is working just dandy in case you were wondering.

Listen RFID doesn't have to transmit anything, how many bit's of data would be required to hold a 20 alphanumeric code?, 20, what is the smallest possible size you imagine a chip that need's to hold 20bit's of data could possibly be?, it does not have to transmit anything, it simply needs to be a reflector, like a tiny mirror that reflects when a light is shone on it, except using a radio frequency, revealing a code. The true power lies in the sophistication of the transmitter/scanner/reciever, it may sound a bit star trek like, but do you remember they had video phones in star trek, how did scotty know when to beam them up?

Truthrevolution

Over in the US the Virginia house of delegates have passed a bill which forbids corporate companies from forcing employees to accept implanted RFID microchips.Apparently the reason being to protect people from receiving the "Mark of the Beast".Lets hope more government bodies take a leaf out of their book over in the state of Virginia!

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/virginia-passes-law-banning-chip-implants-mark-beast/

studiorat

uprising2 wrote: »

Listen RFID doesn't have to transmit anything, how many bit's of data would be required to hold a 20 alphanumeric code?, 20, what is the smallest possible size you imagine a chip that need's to hold 20bit's of data could possibly be?,

Bytes (8bits), alphanumeric ACSII for instance actually is 7 bits. 20 bytes could barely hold my name.

Then you need to keep the thing going because of capacitor leakage, each slot is actually a transistor (switch) and a capacitor to hold the charge. But yes they are tiny, don't forget animals are frequently implanted with ID chips.

The thing is what to do with the information? Obviously there are concerns about human rights not to mention health concerns. But back here, in reality the technology is too fragile and unreliable to use on anybody who didn't actually want one. I mean your Tin Foil hat would be enough to stop anybody reading it. And of course, if they can get it in you can surely get it out, or rescan it with new information etc...

On another note, FYI, nobody actually ever said, "Beam Me up Scotty". Just thought I'd throw that in. I suppose it illustrates how something that didn't actually happen can sink into the collective memory as fact. Why? Because even if it didn't actually occur, it sounds plausable.

Another vaguley interesting fact is that most RFID tech is manufactured in China, although no one has mentioned China in the thread.

Truthrevolution wrote: »

...rently the reason being to protect people from receiving the "Mark of the Beast".Lets hope more government bodies take a leaf out of their bo...

It was only a matter of time before that came up. Bye:rolleyes:

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

Bytes (8bits), alphanumeric ACSII for instance actually is 7 bits. 20 bytes could barely hold my name.

Then you need to keep the thing going because of capacitor leakage, each slot is actually a transistor (switch) and a capacitor to hold the charge. But yes they are tiny, don't forget animals are frequently implanted with ID chips.

The thing is what to do with the information? Obviously there are concerns about human rights not to mention health concerns. But back here, in reality the technology is too fragile and unreliable to use on anybody who didn't actually want one. I mean your Tin Foil hat would be enough to stop anybody reading it. And of course, if they can get it in you can surely get it out, or rescan it with new information etc...

If you look around you, you will find electronics getting smaller, more sophisticated by the day, to think your up to the minute on this technology is naive.

I'm done with my tinfoil hat, tinfoil capes are the way forward.

Mahatma coat

My cattle are tagged, your reader would probably read the tag, but you would just get very basic information if you could translate it. its not the TAG as Uprising said its the technology to read the tag and use the Data tha matters, I can send a road train out to the farm, it picks up the cattle and scans them I then know in Brisbane Which cattle went in which truck, how much each one weighed, how much food they ate on the trip to Mart and how long it took, I can even tell you which route they took to get there.

Its not the Tag that does all this, its the Integration of the system, we arre already tagged with eftpos cards and eToll thingys and mobile phoes, and all these systems are being integrated so that you can be tracked much in the same way as a droughtmster on its way to becoming a sirloin.

studiorat

Mahatma coat wrote: »

....all these systems are being integrated....

That is conjecture. "Beam Me up Scotty", it's plausable. That doesn't mean it's true.

uprising2

studiorat wrote: »

That is conjecture. "Beam Me up Scotty", it's plausable. That doesn't mean it's true.

Ok so we'll leave it there as this is going nowhere, swings and roundabouts.

studiorat

Well I did tell you that the technology is crap and usless for the applications that were suggested. And all I got was that it was really, really small.

Only a NWO of idiots would use RFID to try and monitor people because anyone who wanted to could reprogram it very easily.

Truthrevolution

studiorat wrote: »

Only a NWO of idiots would use RFID to try and monitor people because anyone who wanted to could reprogram it very easily.

You just dont get it do you? It wont be used to monitor people, it will be used as a way to CONTROL people.There will come a day when the RFID system will replace the need for cash and credit cards with all digital payments being done with RFID chips.So therefor if you reprogramme your chip, you wont be doing yourself any favours.

thecommander

Truthrevolution wrote: »

You just dont get it do you? It wont be used to monitor people, it will be used as a way to CONTROL people.There will come a day when the RFID system will replace the need for cash and credit cards with all digital payments being done with RFID chips.So therefor if you reprogramme your chip, you wont be doing yourself any favours.

Is this just guesswork or do you have any basis for this?

Truthrevolution

thecommander wrote: »

Is this just guesswork or do you have any basis for this?

If you check out their website and read up about it youl see that these chips encorporate a veri-pay system, so the only explanation for this being they intend to use the RFID for carrying out transactions.

http://www.positiveidcorp.com

Check out these videos, just something to get you started

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybKSwuIHvL8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVEPlxwlzCE&feature=related

thecommander

Truthrevolution wrote: »

If you check out their website and read up about it youl see that these chips encorporate a veri-pay system, so the only explanation for this being they intend to use the RFID for carrying out transactions

Using rfid to pay for stuff I get, but Im wondering about the distopian future you seem so sure is going to happen.

Truthrevolution

thecommander wrote: »

Using rfid to pay for stuff I get, but Im wondering about the distopian future you seem so sure is going to happen.

Im hopeing it doesnt happen, if enough people awaken themselves to the reality of whats going on, we can hopefully stop this.Discussing my beliefs here would be straying off topic, thats another days work.Anyway do you really think that people being implanted with micro-chips is a good thing?

thecommander

Truthrevolution wrote: »

Im hopeing it doesnt happen, if enough people awaken themselves to the reality of whats going on, we can hopefully stop this.

You're talking as if you know this is definitely going to happen, rather than just an idea you have. I'm asking you how you seem so sure that this is what is planned.

As for human being implanted, I don't see a need for it, but I can see benefits of having it done (medical reasons)

Truthrevolution

thecommander wrote: »

You're talking as if you know this is definitely going to happen, rather than just an idea you have. I'm asking you how you seem so sure that this is what is planned.

As for human being implanted, I don't see a need for it, but I can see benefits of having it done (medical reasons)

Glad to hear you dont think there is any need for it.By "this" i presume you mean the New World Order?? If your looking for a bit of evidence then look no further than the horses mouths.Our politicians and powerbrokers openly boast about setting up their new world order.Heres a few quotes from the powers that be......

We are on the verge of a global transformation.All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the new world order - David Rockefeller

Out of these troubled times a new world order can emerge under a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders - George Bush

We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money - Arthur Schlesinger

studiorat

Truthrevolution wrote: »

If you check out their website and read up about it youl see that these chips encorporate a veri-pay system, so the only explanation for this being they intend to use the RFID for carrying out transactions.

And what the hell is wrong with that ?

Where does it say anything about implanting veri-pay systems? :rolleyes:

theman97

I think the whole thing is sick!!!

zenno

why would a sane person want to put an RFID chip into them. personally i think it's the dumbest thing to do to yourself. personal privacy is all what people want so why would someone want to stick one into them. it's a spacecake idea. i do suppose it has it's advantages like having your favourite pet rfid'd or people suffering from alzimers but i wouldn't stick one of them into me just so it would make it easier to get into a nightclub like they are doing in america. pointless piece of junk other than that. stupid turning yourself into a GPS transmitter.

thecommander

Did I miss something? I cant see anyone or any company asking or telling you to put an RFID chip inside you.

Unfolding before our eyes? Where?

thecommander

theman97 wrote: »

I think the whole thing is sick!!!

Is is if you buy into the CT hype.

If you're rational, and don't believe everything you read on CT site then you're ok.