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Modern US Airsoft Impressions
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04-02-2010 4:22pm#1
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firekitten tryed to start a thread of US stuff that i liked but best to try and use the same format as the russian thread that has worked
for myself im working on a 75th ranger impression, waiting for softshell and acu to ship with opsspec, yes puding has brought some acu shock horror, condor softshell and truspec acu order, trying to put together a list of pantac molle i will need for the look
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Spooky-Vinny wrote: »I think ACU is very nice but do you not think ACU stands out in the woodland alot? as i witnessed first hand, he may aswell have been wearing red!
assuming most sites for skirmishing or milsimming are woodland etc.
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it does indeed stick out its not nick names ICU for no reason
but that debate has been had alot on boards already, for myself the loadout would be primarily for CQB/Urban or if i need a western loadout for any events 0 -
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Been there, done that :Pif there is a forum worth signing up for its arnies
Sod: Yeah it can be, but depends how it looks... If that vest is an interceptor... it looks flash, i like that look.
My us gear is more US Army sniper setup I use for urban.
ACUs, CB Scalable plate carrier with a mix of woodland, acu, and cb pouches, OD hatch kneepads, and diamondback gloves with CB desert boots. Its a nice even mix I find... Interceptors and Kpots/mich SUCK for snipers, as the real guys agree. Infact ill post up my loadout with a photo its based on
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well all acu is accurate but it just needs to be used in the right conditions also you need to use high quality stuff, it is a lot darker and absorbs the light where as the cheap copys i've seen almost act as a white board and reflect the light
if you want to see acu look good go watch the hurt looker 0 -
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check some of our own retailers too most are doing helkion gear which is a polish company that produces camo under licence from the US affordable and pretty damn good quality ,the do tri color desert , multicam , marpat , polish cam and a few others
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Firekitten wrote: »The Bulle Quarrapel ACU bdus from flecktarn are actually a perfect match... well, being made from actual acu material they are. Nice build quality, comfy, good fit and design. and dont look garishly wrong. Also try exporting ACU from the USA from an online retailer. if its real, you Cannot. Incase you're a terrorist that wants to dress up as a us soldier and blow them up...:rolleyes:
That sounds like utter BS to me, never head or seen anything about that?
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+1 on bdu.com I got propper ACU shirt and pants for $30 in their closeout area the only reason it was so cheap is that it did not have the IR reducing properties of the more expensive stuff. The quality was still 100%.
I have been meaning to get some Multicam gear from them for a while. They have all the sizes available so I can get something high drag low speed to fit me
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Propper is the uh, propper brand he was refering to... um, Propper is a brand damn it *stops trying to expain....*Stone.cold wrote: »bdu is propper gear.
Anyway. US army loadout...
based on this one from Afganistan
atleast loosely.
I'll get photos up tomorrow because the ones I've just taken make paparatzi look like David Bailey... *sigh* bad light.0 -
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No camouflage works everywhere... tbh in the desert its better than woodland nbc suits from gulf war 1
Even multicam sticks out in some places... imagine trying to hide on the streets of dublin in it? impossible... unless you're in temple bar of course, but hey... everywhere has downsides, acu isnt brilliant, but for urban warfare it rocks imo. I and a lot of other snipers have acu gortex hooded jackets for urban ops when setting up indoor hides in concrete buildings etc. Its great stuff.0 -
but you see dublin is a built up proper city where in the middle east where all the US are making theyr mark it isnt as built up as it is in dublin you know?(no offences thrown) where down there theyr citys and towns ar more or less shades of all browns? im not saying ACU doesnt work obviously, i personaly like it, im just saying that desert cam seems to blend in ALOT more from all the footage i have seen. there can be alot of photos of ACU blending in videos it doesnt not seem that way, and i believe in person it would not work as well eother as it doesn in photos. i dont think multi cam is used over in the middle east.
and another point i was supose to say was, why introduce a new camo so strongly when perfectly good camos are working well but are ruined by a woodland plate carrier, vest etc.
I'm not even sure if we should go into this on this forum
I'm sorry if my arguement is not suitable or not welcome here, no offence will be taken, delet if you wish
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Spooky-Vinny wrote: »but you see dublin is a built up proper city where in the middle east where all the US are making theyr mark it isnt as built up as it is in dublin you know?(no offences thrown) where down there theyr citys and towns ar more or less shades of all browns? im not saying ACU
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I'm sorry if my arguement is not suitable or not welcome here, no offence will be taken, delet if you wish
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you might want to have a look at some sites like military photos courts in the middle east (Iraq) would dwarf Dublin well a lot of towns would do the same of course there is a differances in bulding materials at time and style , but this is no more of a differances than between citys in the eu
acu works very wellin the mountains as well, multicam is in wide spread use in both conflicts at the moment, more mainstream units even seem to be getting it know first ranger and know some newly deployed infantry units
there is a good argument for acu doing a great job as a uniform and that's the key, it's both camo and a uniform, both disrupt and help identify yourself and with the type of conflict where telling friend from foe in an urban enviroment is important you can't get more unique really and easy to reconise, and anyway it was picked by civilans I believe what can you expect
but where slipping into politics and a debate that has been had over and over again, more pictures , more impressions 0 -
I dont think you get it...Spooky-Vinny wrote: »but you see dublin is a built up proper city where in the middle east where all the US are making theyr mark it isnt as built up as it is in dublin you know?(no offences thrown) where down there theyr citys and towns ar more or less shades of all browns? im not saying ACU doesnt work obviously, i personaly like it, im just saying that desert cam seems to blend in ALOT more from all the footage i have seen. there can be alot of photos of ACU blending in videos it doesnt not seem that way, and i believe in person it would not work as well eother as it doesn in photos. i dont think multi cam is used over in the middle east.
and another point i was supose to say was, why introduce a new camo so strongly when perfectly good camos are working well but are ruined by a woodland plate carrier, vest etc.
I'm not even sure if we should go into this on this forum
I'm sorry if my arguement is not suitable or not welcome here, no offence will be taken, delet if you wish
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Baghdad is far more built up that dublin, and less brown... and more grey.
Plus, multicam is uses... UKSF, CIA, and some other units run it.
Ruined by a woodland plate carrier?
welcome to supply issues in theatre. Tbh, i think it looks good. a CB or woodland platecarrier with acu looks really well imo. Its got that issue, gritty in the **** look to it. And it looks real world. the whole acu ITV and pauldrons and neck guard and crotch guard, mich etc may be 'accurate' us infantry, but it makes you look like mr blobby....
Anyway, snipers dont wear interceptors, they suck for it :P and few cutdown platecarriers come in acu :P mostly Tan or CB.0 -
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Stone.cold wrote: »Here we go, what no quirky history lesson, once again i dont need you to explain i am well aware the propper is a brand name i wear enough of it, i was merely adding a link so that mere mortals that dont know everything would have another site to look at for u.s uniforms i wont bother in future. it was looking like an interesting thread.
people are interested in what everyone has to say and the thread will be interesting if every continues to contribute
anyway from my understanding everyone is little right, there was a lot of negative press in the us about items sold in the US getting to insurgents, this was manly items such as IR reflective patchs used for identification but uniforms where bunched in there as well
because of public opinion generated by those lovely us new shows, some shops did stop selling abroad, or some added in extra security
nothing in law like in Ireland but there was some effect, made no difference anyone will a credit card and a internet connection could pick up copys in places like china so really it had no impact on the uniforms for after a couple of months things then went back to normal after the eye of the news moved into another area0 -
Stone.cold wrote: »Here we go, what no quirky history lesson, once again i dont need you to explain i am well aware the propper is a brand name i wear enough of it, i was merely adding a link so that mere mortals that dont know everything would have another site to look at for u.s uniforms i wont bother in future. it was looking like an interesting thread.
'here we go' nothing... I simply thought you had misunderstood what he posted, so explained it was a brand in a hope to clear things up. Look, it was a simple mistake, and I'm sorry ok? no need to get angry
Puding: yep, kneejerk us patriotic reactions to things like that happen. They still do the same with a lot of hardware and kit... if you arent internal us, you cant buy it, and half of it is restricted to LEO/Federal anyway *cries*0 -
Interesting shot here of US army marksman in tricolour bdus with ACU ITV and Mich 2000. Not the typical camo reversal... but an interseting one.
USMC scout sniper team
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Personally, I believe that UCP was a huge mistake by the US army. It is an urban and mountain combat uniform (one of the best urban camos IMO) and maybe a winter(ish) camo but the fact that the Army billed it as "universal" is a clear sign of there being something... fishy going on but I won't get into it in an Airsoft forum.
However, as others have said it does work AMAZINGLY well in mountainous regions and concrete urban.
Not much of that around Ireland, though... :P
It would appear that UCP needs to be filthy to effectively camouflage in most environments, as pointed out by an Army infantryman on MilitaryPhotos.com:
(Originally Posted by aj-0311)
"Pictures really don't do justice for a proper comparison. There is really no substitute for actually observing in the field. From my previous posts, it's obvious I don't like the ACU, but let me explain why. The bitches about pockets, velcro and durability are a seperate issue for me. The colors chosen are a different matter. While in Afghanistan, the ACU matched rather well, but no better than the DCU. When one has a layer of moon dust covering everything, it's hard not to blend no matter what you're wearing.
I didn't question the ACU until I saw it in different environments. While the BDU is too dark for the grasslands, I noticed it tended to blend better because it could be confused with background clutter (bush, etc.) whereas the ACU attracted the eye because it didn't seem to belong there. I can't speak for everyone but my eye picked up the lighter/brighter coloration rather than the darker BDU.
Once in the woodline it was BDU hands down. The ACU was usually spotted quickly, even in the shadows. I say this because the soldiers were wearing woodland IBA/ACH and it was arms and legs that gave them away.
I realize that clothing is only one tool used in proper camouflage, however as a infantryman, I want the cards stacked in my favor. Hence why I don't buy the "universal" claim of the ACU the Army is touting. If patrolling or lying in ambush I want every advantage I can get. And good camouflage can mean the difference between success and failure.
In my opinion the Army took a step backward with the colors chosen. The so-called "foliage green, gray and sand" look more like blue-gray, light gray and off-white on my brand new never washed ACU's.
I hope we don't have to deploy to any green areas after the BDU wearout date."
I for one, while intensely disliking UCP, would really like to see more teams doing the whole ACU/US Army thing rather than the MCCU/Marine Corps loadout. Just to make it more interesting.
Plus it means we can do more MW2 "re-enactments".
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Here's a slight test: see how long it takes you to find all the infantrymen in this photo. :P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/will%20it%20ever%20end/more/more/more/fresh/54997.jpg
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there is a good argument for acu doing a great job as a uniform and that's the key, it's both camo and a uniform, both disrupt and help identify yourself and with the type of conflict where telling friend from foe in an urban enviroment is important you can't get more unique really and easy to reconise, and anyway it was picked by civilans I believe what can you expect
but where slipping into politics and a debate that has been had over and over again, more pictures , more impressions
You make a very good arguement puding, never thought about things all that way before haha! feel kinda silly now that you'v said all that and i have seen a whole heep of ACU camo doing its job now
I'd like to appologise for my my lil rant
I always liked ACU, but due to the terrain i play in and team uniform:rolleyes: it is no use to me haha.
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Building a USMC-inspired loadout at the moment, any recommendations of where to get CB boots? They seem easy to get online (from the states) but wouldn't buy boots from internets Anyone know if any of the camping/surplus stores in Dublin stock them? 0
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Scrambles_ wrote: »Building a USMC-inspired loadout at the moment, any recommendations of where to get CB boots? They seem easy to get online (from the states) but wouldn't buy boots from internets Anyone know if any of the camping/surplus stores in Dublin stock them?
you could always try spraying them... seen it done before and it looks well!
just my 2 dolla!
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Scrambles_ wrote: »Building a USMC-inspired loadout at the moment, any recommendations of where to get CB boots? They seem easy to get online (from the states) but wouldn't buy boots from internets Anyone know if any of the camping/surplus stores in Dublin stock them?
You'd be after a pair of Bates, but I got a pair of tan Magnum Scorpions in Protac in the Curragh last month for e90, and they're awesome. No online messing around, and at a decent price.0 -
Just to get it back on track.
ACU doesnt stand out too bad on that pic.
U.S. Soldiers from Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 17th Infantry Regiment engage in a small arms fire fight with enemy forces during Operation Mostarak in Badula Qulp, Helmand province, Afghanistan, Feb. 19, 2010.0 -
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Scrambles_ wrote: »Building a USMC-inspired loadout at the moment, any recommendations of where to get CB boots? They seem easy to get online (from the states) but wouldn't buy boots from internets Anyone know if any of the camping/surplus stores in Dublin stock them?
either before the irishlife mall on down from north earls st ,there's a camping shop that stocks the magnum elite spider in tan for around 90euro ,there is no shops here that stock either the USMC boots from bates ,bellville or even the slightly more rare danner USMC boot
the boots are the hardest part of the USMC loadout to source ,everything else is pretty easy
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