Any sick children, Nigeria? Send them here!

walshb

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0203/adekunlea.html

Another case that will be dragged thru the courts for years to come.
If the Nigerians are looking at this, which I am sure they are, I am sure
the policy will be, "send the kids to Ireland, claim sickness and you
will get to stay, relieving the burden on us."

6th

i'm not a racist but ...

walshb

Rosanna Flynn would disagree mate

Slugs

It's okay guys, we payed for her to have that ridiculous hair do, we can do this. It's all for the greater good.

TequilaMockingBird

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0203/adekunlea.html

Dept backs down on Nigerian girl's deportation
watch Wednesday, 3 February 2010 22:22

A seriously ill five-year-old Nigerian girl has had her deportation suspended following a letter from the Department of Justice.

A spokesman for the Department said on foot of legal intervention by the child's legal representatives, they have agreed to review this specific case.

Aydola Adekunle suffers from sickle-cell anaemia and had her spleen removed over a year ago due to complications associated with her condition.
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Dr Karina McMahon of Our Lady's Children's Hospital in Crumlin said the girl's health would be seriously impaired if she returned to Nigeria.

MaybeLogic

As a nation we're in a position to help a 'seriously ill 5 year old girl' who would have her health 'serioulsy impaired' if she returned to Nigeria.
What's the problem with that?

goose2005

MaybeLogic wrote: »

As a nation we're in a position to help a 'seriously ill 5 year old girl' who would have her health 'serioulsy impaired' if she returned to Nigeria.
What's the problem with that?

Because there are millions of sick people of whom you could say the same. She's not a citizen and the state owes her nothing.

MaybeLogic

goose2005 wrote: »

Because there are millions of sick people of whom you could say the same. She's not a citizen and the state owes her nothing.

She's here ,she's sick. Sending her away could be a death sentence.
I've no problem with a portion of the tax I've paid helping her.
And I don't believe there are millions of people turning up at our doorstep seeking medical help.

Joey the lips

Hi Folks.

I know this is wrong but 1. This is a child and 2. The operation was done here as far as i know. So really I cannot see many children coming from Nigera to have these types of operation

On a side note if its good enough for ade roach why note for these children

I keep on saying that the problem is not asylum seekers its govt policy and if this was just one child we would all reach out with compassion however because of the amount of nigerians scamming the system(alleged) we are taring this child the same.

Its the modern day equiv of being discriminated against because your from Certain parts of Limerick or Dublin

mike kelly

walshb wrote: »

Rosanna Flynn would disagree mate

who is she? have seen her name in the papers but have no idea what she stands for or who she represents

mike kelly

MaybeLogic wrote: »

She's here ,she's sick. Sending her away could be a death sentence.
I've no problem with a portion of the tax I've paid helping her.
And I don't believe there are millions of people turning up at our doorstep seeking medical help.

just wait. now that it's known that families with sick children cannot be deported, we will see many more of these cases.

Caoimhín

walshb wrote: »

Rosanna Flynn would disagree mate

Just because that bint is involved I would deport them out of spite.

bonerm

Out of interest whilst all these medical procedures are going on, did anyone check the "mother" for liathroidi? Her voice would makes Barry White sound like Mariah Carey.

rovert

walshb wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0203/adekunlea.html

Another case that will be dragged thru the courts for years to come.
If the Nigerians are looking at this, which I am sure they are, I am sure
the policy will be, "send the kids to Ireland, claim sickness and you
will get to stay, relieving the burden on us."

Have a heart dude

pickarooney

Think of it as good practice - Irish doctors wouldn't get the opportunity to perform this surgery very often if it weren't for African visitors. A win all round I'd say.

WindSock

Hmmmmm....life or death for my child...life or death.....Which should I choose?

Caek!

K-9

walshb wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0203/adekunlea.html

Another case that will be dragged thru the courts for years to come.
If the Nigerians are looking at this, which I am sure they are, I am sure
the policy will be, "send the kids to Ireland, claim sickness and you
will get to stay, relieving the burden on us."

Its a shame that we can't do things like this without claims that we'll be over run with sick Nigerian children coming to Ireland to avail of it.

It isn't a trivial issue, she had her spleen removed FFS.

Barracudaincork

goose2005 wrote: »

She's not a citizen and the state owes her nothing.

She is a human and as a human we do owe her something, race, citzenship etc shouldnt be an issue.

mike kelly

pickarooney wrote: »

Think of it as good practice - Irish doctors wouldn't get the opportunity to perform this surgery very often if it weren't for African visitors. A win all round I'd say.

How about sending Dr. McMahon to Nigeria to help other children there?

mike kelly

Barracudaincork wrote: »

She is a human and as a human we do owe her something, race, citzenship etc shouldnt be an issue.

what do we owe all the irish sick children on waiting lists who cannot get medical treatment due to budgetary cutbacks?

walshb

Hey, I'd like to ask why has Ireland got to deal with every sick child that
lands on our shores? Is Nigeria completely incapable of dealing with their children?
Are they really as backward as the Irish are making them out to be?

I didn't see ONE Nigerian with that woman yesterday supporting her, nor I have
I heard any Nigerian official supporting her or saying that the child is in grave
danger should she return home.

K-9

walshb wrote: »

Hey, I'd like to ask why has Ireland got to deal with every sick child that
lands on our shores? Is Nigeria completely incapable of dealing with their children?
Are they really as backward as the Irish are making them out to be?

I didn't see ONE Nigerian with that woman yesterday supporting her, nor I have
I heard any Nigerian official supporting her or saying that the child is in grave
danger should she return home.

Nigerian officials don't tend to support claims like that, for some strange reason. Irish officials tend not to say our economy is fecked either.

The piece you linked too doesn't give a lot of information on the case. I'd need to read a bit more on it. I doubt the case means we have to treat every sick child that lands on our shores though.

walshb

K-9 wrote: »

Nigerian officials don't tend to support claims like that, for some strange reason. Irish officials tend not to say our economy is fecked either.

The piece you linked too doesn't give a lot of information on the case. I'd need to read a bit more on it. I doubt the case means we have to treat every sick child that lands on our shores though.

Strange reason? The reason being it's damn bogus.

It does send out the message that when you get to Ireland, uste the kids, it will guarantee you some chance.

walshb

mike kelly wrote: »

How about sending Dr. McMahon to Nigeria to help other children there?

Spot on, another one trying to make a name for herself.

mike65

walshb, did you take one virtual blow to the head too many? Can you imagine dealing with sickle-cell anaemia (without a spleen) in Nigeria

splenic sequestration (pooling) - crises are a result of sickle cells pooling in the spleen. This can cause a sudden drop in hemoglobin and can be life threatening if not treated promptly. The spleen can also become enlarged and painful from the increase in blood volume. After repeated episodes of splenic sequestration, the spleen becomes scarred, and permanently damaged. Most children, by the age of 8 years old, do not have a functioning spleen either from surgical removal, or from repeated episodes of splenic sequestration. The risk of infection is a major concern of children without a functioning spleen. Infection is the major cause of death in children under the age of 5 years in this population.

K-9

walshb wrote: »

Strange reason? The reason being it's damn bogus.

It does send out the message that when you get to Ireland, uste the kids, it will guarantee you some chance.

Any links on why it's bogus? As I said I don't know much about the case. You seem pretty sure.

I'd agree some could see it that way, removing a spleen I'd suspect, is done for good reasons in Irish hospitals though.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

Strange reason? The reason being it's damn bogus.

I'm sorry, but if you have information to show that this child is not in fact sick then you should inform the authorities.

You do have information to that effect, don't you?

pickarooney

mike kelly wrote: »

How about sending Dr. McMahon to Nigeria to help other children there?

I'm sure Dr. McMahon and her colleagues are needed in their own hospital.

mike kelly

mike65 wrote: »

walshb, did you take one virtual blow to the head too many? Can you imagine dealing with sickle-cell anaemia (without a spleen) in Nigeria

It would be a lot cheaper to treat this child in Nigeria than in Ireland. For the cost of treating her here plus welfare for her entire family, many children would be able to receive treatment here in Nigeria.
If irish doctors want to help Nigerian children, then they should go to nigeria and help them there. Of course they prefer to stay here, where we have some of the highest paid doctors and consultants in the world.

walshb

Nodin wrote: »

I'm sorry, but if you have information to show that this child is not in fact sick then you should inform the authorities.

You do have information to that effect, don't you?

Bogus, being that in Nigeria they cannot treat their sick children. I never said the child wasn't unwell, though she sure looked healthy on the tv yesterday.

Just because the RAR:rolleyes: or some do gooder doctor claim the child is at risk means bollox all. If that's the case, then any Nigerian can use these claims to scam. FGM we have already had our fill with this sham. I have not heard any Nigerian authority come out and claim that they will not be able to deal or treat this child should she return to Nigeria. Until I do, I won't be falling for the likes of Rosanna Flynn.

tbh

you're saying that it's a bad thing that we're treating a 5 year old child for an illness that'll probably kill her?

Seriously, dude, you really ought to be ashamed of yourself.

mike kelly

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm sure Dr. McMahon and her colleagues are needed in their own hospital.

so what is she doing organising media campaigns then?

K-9

walshb wrote: »

Strange reason? The reason being it's damn bogus.

It does send out the message that when you get to Ireland, uste the kids, it will guarantee you some chance.

Did a quick Google there on the girls name, not much came up.

This seems a slightly better article though:
Nigerian girl (5) spared deportation - The Irish Times - Wed, Feb 03, 2010

Seems a pretty critical disease alright, especially in countries prone to malaria.

tbh

mike kelly wrote: »

so what is she doing organising media campaigns then?

how do you know she didn't use her free time to do that? Would that not be something you'd applaud and be proud of? That our medical staff care that much?

walshb

K-9 wrote: »

Did a quick Google there on the girls name, not much came up.

This seems a slightly better article though:
Nigerian girl (5) spared deportation - The Irish Times - Wed, Feb 03, 2010

Seems a pretty critical disease alright, especially in countries prone to malaria.

It may well be a problem and a bad disease, but does that mean we should have to deal with any of the claims. The child is Nigerian and was due to be deported there after been given due process in our courts. It wasn't a case that she was just thrown out, in Ireland, they allow due process, be sure of that.

Nigeria have medicine, hospitals, doctors and cash; so how is it that it's the Irish making out that they cannot deal with their sick children?

AnonoBoy

This isn't a case of the kid pretending to have an upset stomach, she's seriously ill.

Personally I'm glad we're not the sort of country who would deport a child to a country where she couldn't get the treatment and the care she needs.

Barracudaincork

mike kelly wrote: »

what do we owe all the irish sick children on waiting lists who cannot get medical treatment due to budgetary cutbacks?

Are Irish children human? Yes! So my original point stands, if someone is a human we should treat them as human and race etc shouldnt come into it.
i.e. we owe Irish children the same!

tbh

walshb wrote: »

It may well be a problem and a bad disease, but does that mean we should have to deal with any of the claims. The child is Nigerian and was due to be deported there after been given due process in our courts. It wasn't a case that she was just thrown out, in Ireland, they allow due process, be sure of that.

Nigeria have medicine, hospitals, doctors and cash; so how is it that it's th Irish making out that they cannot deal with their sick children?

I hope you never have a child that needs to go to the UK for treatment
. Karma is a bitch sometimes.

For you to "win" in this case, Ireland are going to have to deport a teminally ill child to a country who can't take care of her as well as we can. How do you sleep? genuine question.

K-9

mike kelly wrote: »

It would be a lot cheaper to treat this child in Nigeria than in Ireland. For the cost of treating her here plus welfare for her entire family, many children would be able to receive treatment here in Nigeria.
If irish doctors want to help Nigerian children, then they should go to nigeria and help them there. Of course they prefer to stay here, where we have some of the highest paid doctors and consultants in the world.

Yet she stands a 50% chance of dying there, or maybe even higher for that particular disease. The cost isn't the point here, it's malaria!

walshb wrote: »

Bogus, being that in Nigeria they cannot treat their sick children. I never said the child wasn't unwell, though she sure looked healthy on the tv yesterday.

That is a low dig.

walshb wrote:

Just because the RAR:rolleyes: or some do gooder doctor claim the child is at risk means bollox all. If that's the case, then any Nigerian can use these claims to scam. FGM we have already had our fill with this sham. I have not heard any Nigerian authority come out and claim that they will not be able to deal or treat this child should she return to Nigeria. Until I do, I won't be falling for the likes of Rosanna Flynn.

No, you'd just send her back to a country where she has a 50/50 chance of survival. Your logic is that we shouldn't help children like this because we'll get over run with scams.

mike kelly wrote: »

so what is she doing organising media campaigns then?

Is she?

mike kelly

tbh wrote: »

how do you know she didn't use her free time to do that? Would that not be something you'd applaud and be proud of? That our medical staff care that much?

She rang Liveline during working hours, probably from an office phone paid for by taxpayers.

Doctors should keep out of politics, I don't applaud this type of media campaign on behalf of just one patient.

tbh

mike kelly wrote: »

She rang Liveline during working hours, probably from an office phone paid for by taxpayers.

Doctors should keep out of politics, I don't applaud this type of media campaign on behalf of just one patient.

how do you know what hours she works? Do doctors work 9-5 now?

mike kelly

Barracudaincork wrote: »

Are Irish children human? Yes! So my original point stands, if someone is a human we should treat them as human and race etc shouldnt come into it.
i.e. we owe Irish children the same!

so why are so many irish children on waiting lists while this child goes straight to the top of the queue?

mike kelly

tbh wrote: »

how do you know what hours she works? Do doctors work 9-5 now?

she said she was ringing from work

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

Bogus, being that in Nigeria they cannot treat their sick children. I never said the child wasn't unwell, though she sure looked healthy on the tv yesterday. .

Equivocal crap.

walshb wrote: »

Just because the RAR:rolleyes: or some do gooder doctor claim the child is at risk means bollox all..

Yet more equivocal crap and muddying the waters. What Doctor, specifically, is supposed to be a "do gooder"? Or are you wanting to claim the Doctor mentioned in the link is such, but can't quite work your way up to it.....

walshb wrote: »

If that's the case, then any Nigerian can use these claims to scam FGM we have already had our fill with this sham.

The alledged threat of FGM is not equivalent to a diagnosed known medical condition, easily verifiable by a medical practioner.

walshb wrote: »

Until I do, I won't be falling for the likes of Rosanna Flynn.

Rosanna Flynn isn't mentioned in the article you linked. A Doctor and the Department of Justice are. If you wanted to rant about specific people, maybe you should go back and include them in some way in the OP. That way you look less incoherent.

Rabies

ugly ireland sticks it's head out of the trash again.

tbh

mike kelly wrote: »

she said she was ringing from work

maybe she was on a break? maybe her bosses were cool with her ringing?


If your only objection to this is that she's doing this in office hours, I think you probably shouldn't worry.

K-9

walshb wrote: »

It may well be a problem and a bad disease, but does that mean we should have to deal with any of the claims. The child is Nigerian and was due to be deported there after been given due process in our courts. It wasn't a case that she was just thrown out, in Ireland, they allow due process, be sure of that.

Nigeria have medicine, hospitals, doctors and cash; so how is it that it's the Irish making out that they cannot deal with their sick children?

Well, she just has the right to appeal. I'm sure more information will come up in court to prove the doctors assertion. Just using your reasoning, have any Nigerian officials come out and said she'd be ok in Nigeria?

mike kelly wrote: »

She rang Liveline during working hours, probably from an office phone paid for by taxpayers.

Doctors should keep out of politics, I don't applaud this type of media campaign on behalf of just one patient.

:rolleyes: Doctors should keep out of politics? Are you serious?

tbh

K-9 wrote: »

:rolleyes: Doctors should keep out of politics? Are you serious?

I think he meant that doctors should keep out of IMMIGRATION politics. I suspect if the same doc was campaigning for an Irish child with the same condition, there wouldn't be a problem.

bob50

couldnt agree more the do gooders in this country will regret this when so many start coming over here

walshb

Rabies wrote: »

ugly ireland sticks it's head out of the trash again.

Gullible Ireland sticks it head out again.

tbh

walshb wrote: »

Gullible Ireland sticks it head out again.

I'd rather be gullible than a bigot. ANY day.