The John Cena discussion thread

Big Daddy Cool

if they have to choose between batista and cena, the wrestlemania crowd will boo cena everytime, ive some experience of this, they will boo cena

Bounty Hunter Edit: I broke this off from the Raw thread

SlickRic

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

if they have to choose between batista and cena, the wrestlemania crowd will boo cena everytime, ive some experience of this, they will boo cena

which shows how retarded a lot of the 'smarks' are.

Cena is 10x the performer and wrestler that Batista can ever hope to be.

i'm pretty sure most of them don't know why they're booing him anymore.

Big Daddy Cool

SlickRic wrote: »

which shows how retarded a lot of the 'smarks' are.

Cena is 10x the performer and wrestler that Batista can ever hope to be.

i'm pretty sure most of them don't know why they're booing him anymore.

i wouldnt say cena is a better wrestler, in fact they're both pretty even, both cant sell a move, both are terrible on the stick, cena marginally better, but batista's offence is more realistic then cena's, cena's punches are so fake its unbelievable vince allows him to get away with them, thats why they boo him he cant wrestle, he just sells merchandise and thats why he's in the position he is, even HHH said that in an interview with powersalm

chopperbyrne

Cena, bad on the mic?

By your standards there must be only three or four people in the history of professional wrestling who have been good on the mic.

SlickRic

ah something to do at lunch...

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

i wouldnt say cena is a better wrestler, in fact they're both pretty even

he is far superior. it's not even close.

Cena, on his debut against Kurt Angle, was better than 75% of Batista matches. a lot of that was down to Kurt, but not all of it.

Cena carried Khali, Umaga and Lashley to their best ever matches.

he also has had a 1hr classic with HBK, 30 minutes with RVD (with him performing better than RVD), a classic WM main event with HHH at WM XXII.

The only matches of Batista's that I'd re-watch are his HIAC match with HHH, and his WM main event against Taker.

he's slow, awkward, and botches anything remotely complicated.

it's not even close i'm afraid.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

both cant sell a move,

Cena sells fine. this is a cliché that gets used as a stick to beat him with after his WM match with Michaels, where his no-sell was indeed poor.

i still maintain he's booked that way, like Hogan was. he sells during the match, but when it's time for his comeback he's superman. that's it. he would be eaten alive by guys for repeatedly doing it, especially with the likes of HBK, HHH, Jericho and the like.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

both are terrible on the stick, cena marginally better,

ludicrous statement.

Batista can't string a sentence together.

Cena, though the writers give him cringeworthy content at times, is in another galaxy to him. look at his raps. look at some of his 'never give up' promos, especially before Breaking Point's 'I Quit' match with Orton.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

but batista's offence is more realistic then cena's, cena's punches are so fake its unbelievable vince allows him to get away with them, thats why they boo him he cant wrestle,

the punches piss me off too. no arguments whatsoever. how that wasn't sorted out years ago i have no idea.

Batista's are pretty sh*t too to be fair though.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

he just sells merchandise and thats why he's in the position he is, even HHH said that in an interview with powersalm

that is a huge reason.

but you'll also find HHH respects the f*ck out of him as he's the hardest working person in the company bar none. not everyone can be as technically sound as a HHH, Angle, Benoit or as athletic as HBK.

Flair has also called him a great wrestler on a few occasions too.

All in all, Cena is in another world on every count to Big Dave.

Big Daddy Cool

wow what reply, we're going to disagree on this but anyway look at cena's opponents in the matches you mentioned above, thats why they were good matches, in my opinion, 90% of his matches are carried by his opponents hence why he's kept in matches with HHH, orton, taker, micheals etc,when he has to face weaker opponents he's put in a tag match with them, except for when he faced khali and lashley matches that sucked and the feuds didnt last very long

what i meant on the stick was his delivery of the promo, they are meant to make you suspend reality and believe they are going to do the things they say, yes he's very good at talking, but compared to Austin, Rock, HHH, Orton, they have you hanging on every word and have you believing what theyre saying is true, but his delivery of voice tone and intensity is up and down and all over the place and before its over i forget what he's promoting and if he says he's going to beat somebody's ass, i just dont believe that he's capable of backing up what he's sayin.

and as for his raps, remember he went head to head with christian in a rap, the crowd popped for christian cos he was better and cena never rapped again

Cena is god awfull on the mic . Getting better though .

Tribesmen7

Deleted User wrote: »

Cena is god awfull on the mic . Getting better though .

Cena is one of the best on the mic in the WWE. Remember his stuff around 2003/04 when he had the rap gimmick? It was brilliant. The problem is Cena cant just say what he wants, he has to say what he is told to say and it has to be within his gimmick. But there is no doubting how could he can be on the mic when he gets a chance.

As for Batista, normally I'm not a fan of big men who cant wrestle but I'm a big Batista fan. I like watching him wrestle and I don't think he is as bad on the mic as people make out. He has a great look too.

Tribesmen7

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

and as for his raps, remember he went head to head with christian in a rap, the crowd popped for christian cos he was better and cena never rapped again

Revisionist history. Thats not what happened at all.

Penn

Cena has the potential to be brilliant on the mic but always ends up spouting out the same speech "I never quit blah blah blah". As others have said, not his fault. He says what he's told to say. He delivers the lines with passion and I think he does so very well. The problem as I see it is that it's just too obvious that its scripted.

People like The Rock and Austin, their delivery was so good because it felt like they're just shouting the first thing that comes into their head. Whether it was scripted or planned or not, it felt more honest.

SlickRic

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

look at cena's opponents in the matches you mentioned above, thats why they were good matches, in my opinion, 90% of his matches are carried by his opponents hence why he's kept in matches with HHH, orton, taker, micheals etc,

he didn't get carried by Orton; that is a myth,

or even HHH as much as you'd like to think.

Michaels carried the Mania match, absolutely. but he's the veteran, and the pressure was on him. it doesn't mean Cena can't wrestle. again, look at the 1hr match; Cena wasn't close to being carried.

he hasn't faced Taker in a feud since he was a rookie.

the RVD match; he carried Rob if anything.

i didn't even mention his 'I Quit' match with JBL.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

when he has to face weaker opponents he's put in a tag match with them, except for when he faced khali and lashley matches that sucked and the feuds didnt last very long

the point is his Khali match didn't suck, his lashley match was very good (we almost cared about Lashley by the end), and his Last Man Standing Match with Umaga was close to Match of the Year.

the feuds didn't last long because his opponents were painfully limited.

most long-running babyface champions have had to get through these quick feuds during their reigns.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

they are meant to make you suspend reality and believe they are going to do the things they say, yes he's very good at talking, but compared to Austin, Rock, HHH, Orton,

they are 4 of the greatest on the mic ever. and Orton isn't that much better than Cena if at all.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

they have you hanging on every word and have you believing what theyre saying is true, but his delivery of voice tone and intensity is up and down and all over the place and before its over i forget what he's promoting and if he says he's going to beat somebody's ass, i just dont believe that he's capable of backing up what he's sayin.

he delivers some of the best intense promos i've ever seen. again, look up his promo before 'Breaking Point' in an interview with Josh Matthews.

or when he accepts K-Fed's challenge and FU's Todd Grisham.

his character is an All-American hero. he's meant to be jokey, a bit goofy, but as tough as anything. that's his character. he's also supposed to catering to a kiddie audience. i really don't see how you can't follow his promos. he really is one of the best right now.

it's all scripted too now, which doesn't help.

in fact, such is Cena's skills, he's one of the very few along with Jericho, HHH and Michaels, whose allowed to go slightly off script.

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

and as for his raps, remember he went head to head with christian in a rap, the crowd popped for christian cos he was better and cena never rapped again

that is not the reason he never did it again.

it was because of a character change.

he killed Christian in the battle rap.

but remember, us older generation decided we hate Cena, so anyone who disses him will be cheered.

by your criteria, WWE would have got Cena to change his current gimmick, since every opponent he faces, especially Orton, gets a pop.

and back to the original argument, either way, he annihilates Batista in every conceivable department.

flahavaj

At this stage is it cool to like or hate Cena? Not really sure anymore.

All I know is I love the guy, everything you'd want in a fella upon who's shoulders to place the entire company. Great talker, excellent worker of the WWE main Event style, Trojan work ethic, relishes the big stage, can handle himself in the most adverse of cimcumstances (see the sheer joy the guy took in working heel for the night at One Night Stand, he had the night of his life) shifts a tonne load of merch and is great on the mic.

Someday he'll turn heel and the internet will be jerking off over him within weeks, just like they are now over Punk.

Cena>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batista by a million million miles.

Tribesmen7

I loved the old John Cena character but when he started to main even, I couldn't stand watching him wrestle or listen to his promos about the chain gang. However over the last couple of years he has grown on me and I would actually miss him if he was out injured now. He is good on the mic, his wrestling has improved immensely, he sells load of merchandise, the kids love him and he is one of the most popular wrestlers in the WWE. He is so important to the WWE which is why he is where he is.

The above is my opinion on the John Cena chracter. As for John Cena the person, even when I couldn't stand watching him I had the utmost respect for the man. A great worker who will do anything that is asked of him. A boses dream. His dedication is amazing and I respect him more than I do most other wrestlers.

Cactus Colm

Cena is certainly the better wrestler. I think both suffer from getting strong pushes over smark favourites.

Batista may not be the greatest wrestler, but I think he makes up for it in terms of charisma. Admittedly I wasn't a fan of his for a long time, but his run on smackdown by in 05 - 08 was great. When he paired up with Eddie Guerrero it was then I realised just why he got the push he got, he was great. Certainly he was able to bring a big match feel to his fights, more than anyone else at the time.

(Haven't watched wwe much recently, so can't comment on his heel run)

SlickRic

flahavaj wrote: »

Someday he'll turn heel and the internet will be jerking off over him within weeks, just like they are now over Punk.

this, this and this again.

we'll realise just how good he is when he turns; and you'll all be reminded anew of how good a performer he is.

that's not to sound smart, it's just the reality that we confuse disliking his character (partly because we're Attitude era piners), with the performer. he is brilliant with the character he has been given.

krudler

Cena is the exact reason I hate the IWC, they wet mental for him in 2003-5 when he was a rapper, listen to the pop he got at the 2005 Rumble, it was unreal, then they jumped all over him when he became popular with the kids, booed him when he was having the best matches of his career (his brawl with Umaga at the 07 Rumble was his finest moment imo) and now they'll boo him regardless, so is it cool to boo him as hes popular? or is it cool to like him as its popular to boo him? Yeah he still cant throw a convincing punch, and his prescripted promos are for the most part godawful, why cant the writers just give him some bullet points and let him run with it? worked for years doing it that way, he has an incredible work ethic and seems like a genuine guy as well, which is something Batista really really doesnt

Bubs101

People hate Cena because they're used to it. Listen to the pop he got at the 2008 Rumble. People instantly popped to see him back before remembering that they were meant to hate him. They're just conditioned. George Hook

flahavaj

Bubs101 wrote: »

People hate Cena because they're used to it. Listen to the pop he got at the 2008 Rumble. People instantly popped to see him back before remembering that they were meant to hate him. They're just conditioned. George Hook

Stuff like this is why I love Bubs.:pac:

Ridley

SlickRic wrote: »

Cena carried Khali, Umaga and Lashley to their best ever matches.

Khali yes (I didn't like the match though), Lashley maybe (personally I thought Lashley's matches were better when he was US champ and wrestling with Finlay every second month on Smackdown. If he'd won the belt off Cena he'd be as underwhelming as Sheamus is to me now) but Umaga was a good rassler in and of himself.

Umaga's matches had talent that had nothing to do with being carried.

SlickRic

Ridley wrote: »

Umaga's matches had talent that had nothing to do with being carried.

true.

maybe saying he was carried was a little harsh.

but Cena brought him to a level of performance we'd not seen previously, and imo, didn't see again. Umaga was a good wrestler, but Cena played his part so well, and put Umaga over so convincingly as a monster, that it actually got Umaga to the cusp of the main event level standard.

it took HHH's subsequent burial of Umaga to kill the momentum Cena had helped Umaga build.

nobody believed in Umaga the main event monster again.

Spongey1975

I've not liked Cena since he had that year long reign (too long in my eyes). It got too boring for me to watch him. I will say that he is good on the mic, the material that he's given is bad but his delivery is good. I know someone will correct me here but his feuds always seem to centre around the championship belt which is fine on a short term basis but its seemed that way forever.

campo

I think Cena gets a bad rap , Ok im not his best fan but he has had some great matches my favorite has to be against RVD with the fans holding up the signs if Cena wins we riot and you just know they would have had.

SlickRic

campo wrote: »

against RVD with the fans holding up the signs if Cena wins we riot and you just know they would have had.

and Cena f*cking loved it.

i've never seen him revel in something more than doing the 'Five Knuckle Shuffle' just to p*ss them off even more.

campo

And when he through his shirt into the crowd they through it back and he just went to the otherside and through into the crowd there it was ace

krudler

campo wrote: »

And when he through his shirt into the crowd they through it back and he just went to the otherside and through into the crowd there it was ace

It was excellent, and all the smarky assholes thinking they were sticking it to Cena, when in fact they were playing into exactly what he wanted them to do in the first place

geeky

I've tons of respect for Cena. Admittedly, I'm only really back into watching wrestling for about a year (so haven't seen much of his development/worse matches) but IMO he's one guy who has the look, and can put a match together.

His character will always be lame if you've a mental age of 12 or above, but he's never failed to fit into it. Just because the superman Cena thing annoys me almost as much as the Hulkster doesn't mean I can't appreciate the art of it. Playing the superman face who's still loved and respected by the kids while still occasionally losing a match is a lot harder than it looks.

Wrestling wise it's true that he consistently uses the same five or six big moves in a match. However, he's not the only one to do that - even Bret Hart, in his 'Behind Closed Doors' shoot, talked about drawing on about six moves while working babyface. The artistry is in mixing up the things you do well to create something that looks new, and he does that a bit more than the likes of Trips, Boretista, or even Mysterio today. He wouldn't be the first guy to no-sell or 'hulk up' as part of his gimmick either: FFS, we don't give out about 'Taker for that.

Sadsmarks and those who can't get over the attitude era ending will always hate him, simply because he personifies the new goodie-baddy kid-friendly product. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the things that are said about Cena today were also said about Hogan in the 80s. He gets the f*** on with it, plays his part, and puts on decent matches whatever people think of it. Props to him.

SlickRic

geeky wrote: »

He wouldn't be the first guy to no-sell or 'hulk up' as part of his gimmick either: FFS, we don't give out about 'Taker for that.

i watched Bret v Austin at WM 13 last night.

Bret works his leg over hard for about 10 minutes, Austin hits him with a chair, hobbles for 4 seconds, then he doesn't sell it again for the entire match.

once again, it's something easy to pick on to beat Cena with, but everyone does it.

The Volt

He's slowly but surely starting to win me over is Cena. I still get annoyed by little feats like his irritating ring attire and the fact that the WWE belt is tacky and ****e looking because of him but it'll be a wankfest when he turns heel

chopperbyrne

He's also currently in the Make-a-Wish Foundation Celebrity Hall of Fame for all the work he does: http://www.wish.org/stories/sports_entertainment/sports/alan_john_cena

Bubs101

Voltwad wrote: »

He's slowly but surely starting to win me over is Cena. I still get annoyed by little feats like his irritating ring attire and the fact that the WWE belt is tacky and ****e looking because of him

Neither of those things are because of him. Do you think Cena went up to Vince one day and said make my belt spin or I quit? The things he has a hand in he's very very good at

The Volt

Bubs101 wrote: »

Neither of those things are because of him. Do you think Cena went up to Vince one day and said make my belt spin or I quit? The things he has a hand in he's very very good at

I know he didn't choose them but that doesn't matter

Prufrock

I used to dislike Cena in the early days. Never liked the rapper thing. After he started to put in some good ring work(which took a while after giving him the strap) I became indifferent to him. I don't hate him but I can't like him. Some of his promos ok but its the same stuff over and over. He does work hard though and is getting better.

Also his 1 year title run was a joke. Had one or two good matches in there to be sure but it got stale a long time before it ended.

Dave has a great look, watches Star Wars and collects lunch boxes. Legend. :cool:

SlickRic

Prufrock wrote: »

I used to dislike Cena in the early days. Never liked the rapper thing. After he started to put in some good ring work(which took a while after giving him the strap) I became indifferent to him. I don't hate him but I can't like him. Some of his promos ok but its the same stuff over and over. He does work hard though and is getting better.

Also his 1 year title run was a joke. Had one or two good matches in there to be sure but it got stale a long time before it ended.

this outlook on Cena I have no real problem with.

his gimmick, and the way he was booked is not to your taste. that's fine. and you seem to respect him.

it's the ones who just hate him because they're (to use Bubs' phrase) 'conditioned' to hate him, that make me laugh.

Bubs101

Voltwad wrote: »

I know he didn't choose them but that doesn't matter

It does matter because these people who ascribe the spinner belt as Cena's fault don't give out about the other people that hold it which is no different to Cena having it and they don't complain when other superstars are used to shill things. You'd never hear them say something like "Yeah, HBK is a good worker and one of the biggest stars ATM but he wrecked DX's logo. I ****ing hate him". They know it's Vince's idea and ascribe it to him yet with Cena it's all "**** Cena and his ****ing spinner belt. What a douche. Can't wait till Edge wins it and changes it back". George Hook

The Volt

Bubs101 wrote: »

It does matter because these people who ascribe the spinner belt as Cena's fault don't give out about the other people that hold it which is no different to Cena having it and they don't complain when other superstars are used to shill things. You'd never hear them say something like "Yeah, HBK is a good worker and one of the biggest stars ATM but he wrecked DX's logo. I ****ing hate him". They know it's Vince's idea and ascribe it to him yet with Cena it's all "**** Cena and his ****ing spinner belt. What a douche. Can't wait till Edge wins it and changes it back". George Hook

Chill Bubs

I'm aware he didn't choose the belt/what to wear etc but they constitute the things that annoy me about his gimmick, his fault or not.

Tribesmen7

krudler wrote: »

It was excellent, and all the smarky assholes thinking they were sticking it to Cena, when in fact they were playing into exactly what he wanted them to do in the first place

In fairness that match wouldn't have been as good if it wasn't for the fans and the atmosphere they created. Why are they assholes? Just because they wanted RVD to win. I think most people do respect Cena as he deserves it, but it doesn't mean they should cheer him and boo his opponents just because he is the face. I know Cena was basically the heel for that match against RVD but I dont like they way some label fans that boo Cena as assholes or idiots, imo it just adds to the show, and he will probably make some funny comment about it anyway just like he did on Raw a few weeks ago when Kofi Kingston was in the ring with him.

Tribesmen7

Voltwad wrote: »

Chill Bubs

I'm aware he didn't choose the belt/what to wear etc but they constitute the things that annoy me about his gimmick, his fault or not.

The belt will always be associated with Cena because it was first created to fit his gimmick. They just happened to keep it even after he lost it.

Personally I hate it and think it demeans the importance of the WWE Championship, the most important title in the Wrestling business.

JP Liz V1

As i wrote in another thread, I'm a fan of Cena. He has pretty much been the face of the WWE for most of the 00s and while he is not the best technical wrestler he is definitely one of the most hardworking. He gives everything he has every night. I got nothing but respect for him.

He is way way way better than Batista and he is very good on the mic (no one can match The Rock imo)

I think Vince wanted him to work with The Rock at WM which The Rock refused so what better way to use the biggest cashcow for WWE and kids favourite than to team him up with a legend and a fan favourite with older fans win win all the way

rossie1977

Big Daddy Cool wrote: »

i wouldnt say cena is a better wrestler, in fact they're both pretty even, both cant sell a move, both are terrible on the stick,

even powerslam who openly advertise themselves as the anti-cena society in all but name claim cenas delivery is worldclass

can't sell a move, go back and watch cena/orton at breaking point, ffs what is he doing there for 20 mins, making orton look great is what :cool:

and your other nonsense about merch, yes merch is how one determines who is over today, cena is now second overall in wwe/f history after austin in merch selling

D2D

*blows a lot of dust off this*

Was reading about and found out that today is the 1,000th day that John Cena has spent as a WWE or World Heavyweight champion.

1,000 days as a champ. God almighty

Mr.Nice Guy

Saw that as well. Fair play to him. It pretty much reflects the lack of credible challengers to his spot as top babyface the past couple of years.

Some more info on it:

John Cena joins an exclusive club today with his 1,000th day as a major world champion.

Here is where he ranks among the all-time greats who have held the WWE Championship, the World Championship, the NWA World Championship, the WCW World Championship, the WCW International World Championship, the AWA World Championship, the TNA World Championship and the ECW World Championship.

1. Verne Gagne 4,677 days, 10 reigns
2. Bruno Sammartino 4,040 days, 2 reigns
3. Lou Thesz 3,763 days, 4 reigns*
4. Ric Flair 3,738 days, 22 reigns**
5. Hulk Hogan 3,362 days, 12 reigns
6. Nick Bockwinkel 2,990 days, 4 reigns
7. Bob Backlund 2,091 days, 4 reigns***
8. Harley Race 1,862 days, 8 reigns
9. Dory Funk Jr. 1,502 days, 1 reign
10. Gene Kiniski 1,159 days, 2 reigns
11. Triple H 1,149 days, 13 reigns
12. Jeff Jarrett 1,064 days, 10 reigns
13. Pedro Morales 1,027 days, 1 reign****
14. John Cena 1,000 days, 9 reigns

He is the 14th wrestler in North America since the National Wrestling Alliance began promoting a unified world champion in 1949 to achieve this honor and the fifth to accomplish it in WWE.
Cena has held the WWE title seven times (tied for second all-time with the Rock, one behind Triple H) and the World title twice. He has the spent third-most days in the 2000s as champion, behind only Triple H and Jeff Jarrett, even though his first reign didn't come till 2005.

* These four titles don't include Thesz's pre-National Wrestling Alliance world championships.
** Yes, Flair is actually a 22-time world champion.
*** Yes, Backlund had four WWE title reigns. Check the title history.
**** You could also make a case for adding Morales' WWA World title reigns (and Edouard Carpentier's, too)

http://wrestlespective.blogspot.com/2010/04/congratulations-john-cena-youve-been.html

Bounty Hunter

in bigger news though he just got drafted to BWE Smackdown! :pac:

D2D

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

in bigger news though he just got drafted to BWE Smackdown! :pac:

Wrong link BH,

You know what though, pictures can definetly say more than words

flahavaj

For all the talk about Hunter, Cena's not far off holding the title for as many days as him in what half the time?

Rjd2

flahavaj wrote: »

For all the talk about Hunter, Cena's not far off holding the title for as many days as him in what half the time?

Yeah and that's why Cena is awesome.

Prufrock

At the rate he wins and loses the title he'll be at 20 title runs in no time. Who wants to bet by the end of the year?

jaykhunter

flahavaj wrote: »

For all the talk about Hunter, Cena's not far off holding the title for as many days as him in what half the time?

Yeah, it's gotten pretty stale in WWE. But title reigns mean nothing; even the titles mean nothing; sure 40 title changes in 40 months between the WWE & World title.....

Edge is 9 time, right? He hasn't had a decent run yet, same with Punk....nobody has decent runs. I tells ya if TNA changed their titles half as often there'd be more uproar! The WWE/World titles are devalued so badly i'd have them on par with the TNA title.

rossie1977

wwe/world championship title run length since the start of 2008 in days (849 days have passed)

edge 301
HHH 280
orton 268
cena 206
taker 170
punk 160
jericho 106
sheamus 70
jeff hardy 70
batista 45
swagger 30

jaykhunter

rossie1977 wrote: »

wwe/world championship title run length since the start of 2008 in days (849 days have passed)

edge 301
HHH 280
orton 268
cena 206
taker 170
punk 160
jericho 106
sheamus 70
jeff hardy 70
batista 45
swagger 30

is this how many cumulative days people have been champion for the last 849 days?

rossie1977

yes, the interesting one to me is batista, he has barely held the strap for most of the last 2.5 years, 35 or so of those 45 days as champion were in the run up to this years mania

Mr.Nice Guy

Prufrock wrote:

At the rate he wins and loses the title he'll be at 20 title runs in no time. Who wants to bet by the end of the year?

We must remember the thing about Cena though is he is 100% dedicated to wrestling and is in an era when there are two world titles on the shows.

If The Rock had decided movies weren't for him, and had stuck with wrestling, then right now he'd definitely be the all-time record holder for title runs and would have passed the 20 title mark no problem.

I mean the guy clocked up 7 WWE title reigns and this was before Raw and Smackdown got their own heavyweight title belts. Whether he had been on Raw or Smackdown, The Rock would have been a main eventer.

It's easy to bash Cena for title reigns but his wins have been in a two-World Title belt era and he has unquestionably been the top babyface star since around late 2003.