Lost 6x01/02 - "LA X" - 2 hour Season Premiere (**SPOILERS WITHIN**)

Sad Professor

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "LA X" -

Episode Title: "LA X"
Airdate: February 2nd 2010

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

THE AFTERMATH FROM JULIET'S DETONATION OF THE HYDROGEN BOMB IS REVEALED, ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF ABC'S "LOST".

Next New Episode: 6x03 - February 9th 2010

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SPOILER WARNING:

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me-skywalker

8

WOAH so many layers! like WTF is going on aarrrghh!!

It worked while also not working how they intended it to, and now they create a separate thread of time? Only Jack remembers? why Jack? lolled whne Jack offered Locke his card. loving the new badass Locke. Richard in chains? kinky Not sure about the new 'others' seems abit like they just threw it in to create more questions.

yea and the commericals were all about some weird feckin medical inflictions... anal reflux and weird american only afflictions!!

Who gave it a 2? Come on!

Sea Sharp

9

Great episode.

So Smokey is Flocke. Does that mean that Jacob is now Saieed?
Richard in chains could mean he was a slave from the Black Rock. I hope we get a Richard flashback.

2 different timelines, lol how is that going to play out???
Maybe the alternate universe losties will all end up on the island in 2010 with some sort of 'destiny' explanation.

Bring on episode 3.

me-skywalker

8

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Great episode.

So Smokey is Flocke. Does that mean that Jacob is now Saieed?
Richard in chains could mean he was a slave from the Black Rock. I hope we get a Richard flashback.

2 different timelines, lol how is that going to play out???
Maybe the alternate universe losties will all end up on the island in 2010 with some sort of 'destiny' explanation.

Bring on episode 3.

Never twigged the whole Sayid thing... Now that you say it...

The scene with hurley and Miles just sitting there and Miles shakes his head, Hurley asks 'Whats wrong?' and Miles replies 'Nothing' still nodding. But the implication is that he is saying nothing is wrong, BUT I beleive now that Miles was trying to get a reading from Sayid but couldn't since he was 'dead' but of course he wasn't he is now Jacob. I like it!

Now we will see the temple losties try and bring all the original losties who died to the Temple to resurrect them, and Sawyer will try get them to bring Juliet back to life, but of course they arent actually coming back to life its just that Jacob took over Sayid!

yup im liking the 2 alternate life's, its defo gonna have them all back on Island somehow someway and say 'well even in that timeline they still ended there.... Destiny'

Helix

7

not sure about this double timeline jobbie, i mean its not that it doesnt work, im more concerned with how the hell theyre gonna tie it up

Helix

7

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

So Smokey is Flocke. Does that mean that Jacob is now Saieed?

genius

Helix

7

me-skywalker wrote: »

Not sure about the new 'others' seems abit like they just threw it in to create more questions.

the new others are ther ones who whisper

remember we all thought they ballsed things up by conveniently fogetting that what we assumed were bens others did the whispering thing? this is the fixer upper for that imo

me-skywalker

8

The scene when Jack looks out the window to when the 'LOST' words float across was awful CGI!!

that moment when his coffin landed back on the island is the moment Locke became MIB Locke? Does this mean Christian is working with MIB?

Why would Jin agree to bring Hurley, kate and jack to the Temple when the last tiem he was there he seen the big Black smoke monster there? As far as he knwos its not a good Temple , its where Smokie resides or protects.

Also this Temple is Jacobs's people(supposedly) then WHY was Smokie in there and pull the French dude down in the first place! Surely all of the new 'Others' would have heard thsi commotion and would have found the Frenchie with his arm off and moved him inside?

So many question and already im thinking some things arent adding up... :-(

Helix

7

me-skywalker wrote: »

The scene when Jack looks out the window to when the 'LOST' words float across was awful CGI!!

all the cgi was shockingly poor tbh

looks like they spent their budget getting the old cast back together

opr

8

Flocke was amazing!

LOST

opr

8

Juliet says "It worked" which means maybe they have managed to change things just not at this point. The timeline from the plane is a flashforward of sorts ?

Helix

7

rpo wrote: »

Juliet says "It worked" which means maybe they have managed to change things just not at this point. The timeline from the plane is a flashforward of sorts ?

well it definitely worked since we have the other timeline, i wanna know how theyre gonna pull them both together without it being horrible tho lol

opr

8

Helix wrote: »

well it definitely worked since we have the other timeline, i wanna know how theyre gonna pull them both together without it being horrible tho lol

Yeah but the flashforward theory would mean that its only a single reality.

Helix

7

rpo wrote: »

Yeah but the flashforward theory would mean that its only a single reality.

depends how you look at it, its actually a flashback not a flash forward

abelard

7

I dunno what I was expecting, but it was a teeny bit disappointing for a season opener. It just seemed to lack something of the....'scale' of previous openers. A minor complaint anyway as it was still a great episode.

I'm unsure on this dual reality thing as well but I'm willing to give it a chance. I guess sooner rather than later the two realities will start to overlap, be it through flashes, or people moving between realities or something like that. Off island Jack already seemed to have some inkling that something wasn't right. Also, probably just an easter egg, but did anyone notice Rose reading a 'Woodsman' magazine?

I'm wondering if the fact that Charlie was 'dead' on the plane and then was 'revived' is a sign of something to come.

On island we seem to be left with one storyline, which I guess is good as they can move it along at a good pace rather than slipping between different groups of people. I expect to see some conflict between the smoke monster and the Temple group within the next episode.

Helix

7

abelard wrote: »

On island we seem to be left with one storyline

aye, the other one is about 1000 feet underneath the sea lol

stargirl.gra

9

5 hours after I started, I've finally finished - stupid interruptions!

I have to say I really enjoyed that episode. I felt a bit excited about what was happening which is great. I'm actually mad to see the next episode already which isn't something I'd have said of Lost for a while.

Did anyone else find Flocke's "I'm very disappointed in all of you" comment a bit odd?

BTW the theory about Sayid being Jacob is brilliant. I really hope that's true and that Jacob has a big part to play in what's to come because he was indirectly developed for so long. And I think they did a very good job with him once we actually met him. So it'd be a shame for him to be gone already.

tok9

8

I'm more gutted than ever about Locke now. His last thought "I don't understand" and just the way he was in the alternate timeline.

Imo the 2nd timeline will just show how poor some of their lives will be. Flocke said that Locke was the only one who realized life was better on the island.

the things that i found interesting about the flight itself was Desmond was on the flight and Shannon wasn't. Hurley was lucky so what numbers did he use? Christian wasn't on the flight and neither was Lockes Knifes. Its like the island brought all of those things to the island.

The scene with Hurley and Jacob was excellent i thought and seems to show that Jacob knew he was going to be killed. Sayid Jacob theory seems concrete to me too. Flocke is the Smoke monster so what is Jacob? A big question also is who is Christian? He seems to be his own person too.

Flocke wants to go home.. where is home though?

My God i have so many questions!!
Still the thing i took most from the episode is how sad the Locke story is.

Nick_oliveri

8

Nice way of revitalizing old smokey. I think now people will be going back and watching previous episodes to see what it was doing now that we see it as a larger entity.
I cant even remember what it did to "Adebisi"


I love the locke character, fair play to Terry, astonishing acting throughout the series.

silsean

5

The bad underwater CGI was like an Edward Scissorhands part.

Perhaps the LAX timeline is where the ending of season 6 will be. So Jack might have another atom bomb moment this season or whatever.

Anyone have an idea why Richard didn't want Locke to be shot? Besides the fact that he's superman and can repel bullets. And how did Jack loose his ability to punch and become a pusher?

darrenh

6

It would have been good as normal episodes but as a season opener it was a bit disappointing.

Could Flocke's home be the temple? That could expain why he dragged the french dude in there. Maybe he was ousted by the other other's.

anotherlostie

8

I thought it was excellent, so well played out bringing old characters back into the mix (apart from Ian Somerhalder, which just seemed like stunt casting especially when Maggie Grace was unavailable). I was impressed with how they weaved Cindy and the two kids from the tail section into the plot, and then I LOL'd when Froghurt was still acting the asshole in the taxi rank. I didn't think having Elizabeth Mitchell in the episode added much to the dynamic either apart from rehashing the weepy scenes from the end of the last series - I thought Myles could just have easily have got the message without us needing to see her in the ep.

So many new layers were added on, it is hard to know how things will get resolved in time. Unlocke/ Smokey and getting off the island, Richard in chains, the Japanese dude, Sayid as Jacob (never occurred to me til I read this thread), the alternate timeline etc. But like already said, I am really looking forward to the next episode, which is always a good sign.

Stuxnet

8

Flash forwards, falshbacks. now flash sideways....hard to know is it a result of Juliet's bomb going off,.... the flight never really crashed so or did it....the island under water, did ye spot the dharma shark,

i think the flash sideways will show how the finale ends, but i dont think its a result of the bomb, they did crash, it all happened, but smokie/jacob somebody will interfere with jacks fathers coffin being on the plane in the future episodes, remember Christian's shoes were put on Locke's body to act as some sort of proxy to make the second plane crash land on the island, the coffin is gone, the plane landed safely, Christian is the key to all of this !!....lol i dunno it makes' sense in my head, promises to be an exciting albeit short road ahead...

MikeHoncho

7

I really enjoyed it. A solid 8 and its great to have it back. The scene with Jack and Locke in the airport was particularly good. Jacks line "Nothing is irreversible" was very fitting. Cant wait to see how things pan out.

Just had this sent to me about the book Desmond was reading on the flight:

"Haroun and the Sea of Stories is a 1990 children's book[1] by Salman Rushdie. It was Rushdie's first novel after The Satanic Verses. It is a phantasmagorical story set in a city so old and ruinous that it has forgotten its name.[2]"

The book includes the following things:

- an ancient city so old that people forgot it existed
- a war between the rulers of that ancient city
- a main character who is represented by two sides of himself: an "anthropomorphic shadow" and a "diminished man"
- a "poisoned ocean" caused by above man's splitting of himself into two parts
- a potential mutiny of one of the warring tribes led by a man who isn't the leader
- the anthropomorphic shadow has the ability to "appear identical" to some of the people in the city
- a plan to destroy the ocean using "complicated machines powered by electromagnetic induction"
- the Big Bad is killed at the end after his ice palace melts and his giant statue falls on him
- "a landscape whose weather changes to reflect the emotions of the people currently present in it"
- the two tribes are kept apart "by a force field named Chattergy's Wall"
- "At the South Pole of Kahani is a spring known as the Source of Stories, from which (according to the premise of the plot) originated all stories ever
communicated. The prevention of this spring's blockage therefore forms the climax of the novel's own story."

phantom_lord

2

pretty meh and disappointing imo.

Yitzhak Rabin

7

Seeing as MiB and Jacob seem to be complete opposites, is it fair to assume that Jacob is a smokey too? If I remember right, the first time Locke had an encounter with the monster he described it as being a "bright light" that was beautiful? Maybe it was Jacob he met the first time.

Also, the Sayid being Jacob is a great theory. But it seems, the temple is Flocks home, where he wants to go back to. I think somehow Jacob tricked him into going to the cabin and trapped him there with the ash, and now flock wants to "go home" to the temple.

Daysha

7

Yup, solid 8 from me too (though maybe 7 for the first half and 9 for the second). It didn't strike me at all at first but the more I think of it the more it makes sense that Jacob = Sayid.

I just hope that we still get to see more of Jacob himself in the future. It would be a bit of a cop out to build him up for 4-5 seasons before having him in 2 measly episodes and then replacing him with a dude we've had from the very beginning!

Handsome Bob

4

I have no idea about what the **** is going on anymore.

Tristram

7

go go nihongo!

tok9

8

actually the more i think Sayid is Jacob the more i am unsure. Flocke didn't take over Lockes body so why would Jacob have to take over Sayids?

Daysha

7

So what does the X in LA X stand for?

The "X" in 'LA X' stands for an alternate reality. It's common use in comic books, Marvel Comics have an alternate history/timeline called "Earth X"

I knew it would stand for more than just the airport, but I feel rather stupid trying to count 10 important people during the episode . Pretty cool nonetheless.

darrenh

6

Daysha wrote: »

Yup, solid 8 from me too (though maybe 7 for the first half and 9 for the second). It didn't strike me at all at first but the more I think of it the more it makes sense that Jacob = Sayid.

Remember they said that the pool had changed colour. Maybe it was the blood of Jacob (or something like that) that had changed it.

me-skywalker

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stargirl.gra wrote: »

Did anyone else find Flocke's "I'm very disappointed in all of you" comment a bit odd?

Yea i wondered who he was actually directing this at and why?

tok9 wrote: »

the things that i found interesting about the flight itself was Desmond was on the flight and Shannon wasn't.

Shannon wasn't in it because Maggie Grace wasn't interested in comign back to the show so they had to rework that story.

tok9 wrote: »

Flocke wants to go home.. where is home though?

The Temple?

anotherlostie wrote: »

I didn't think having Elizabeth Mitchell in the episode added much to the dynamic either apart from rehashing the weepy scenes from the end of the last series - I thought Myles could just have easily have got the message without us needing to see her in the ep.

So how would they have explained the vitriol building up between Jack and Sawyer? She's become essential to Sawyer's emotional development and this will be central to his motivations for this in the rest of the season. I think she really needed to be seen in this ep to give more clarity in how much Sawyer really grew to love her.

yekahs wrote: »

Also, the Sayid being Jacob is a great theory. But it seems, the temple is Flocks home, where he wants to go back to. I think somehow Jacob tricked him into going to the cabin and trapped him there with the ash, and now flock wants to "go home" to the temple.

So this would then lead to the question... Who broke the ash to let him out?

tok9 wrote: »

A big question also is who is Christian? He seems to be his own person too.

I dont think he's his own person.. Im thinking that MIB/Smokie took him over at the very start of the whole thing and thats why he has been apperaing to Jack the odd time then in the cavern when he appeared to Locke he reinforced the idea that Locke had to die "That's why they call it a sacrifice." . He's used Christians body for so long as an aid to set up the whole scenario of Locke dying.

youngblood

One of Lost's biggest fans but

Does anyone else feel that Lost has just become too ridiculously convuluted at this stage that magic and alternate timelines seems like a total cop out??

Handsome Bob

4

youngblood wrote: »

One of Lost's biggest fans but

Does anyone else feel that Lost has just become too ridiculously convuluted at this stage that magic and alternate timelines seems like a total cop out??

No I feel exactly the same, I'm incredibly disillusioned after watching that episode. All I can hope for is that we won't have to experience both timelines throughout the season.

Jazzy

they had flash forwards, flash backs... now its flash presents

darrenh

6

The music in lost is always top notch but that dum dum, dum dum drum beat was a bit annoying in some of the scenes.

youngblood

LZ5by5 wrote: »

No I feel exactly the same, I'm incredibly disillusioned after watching that episode. All I can hope for is that we won't have to experience both timelines throughout the season.

Josh Hollaway who plays Sawyer was on Ellen recently and said that with only 6 episodes to film that he still hadnt a clue as to what was goin on-
which is not really the best sign to be totally frank.

So much of the extended story seems like padding to flesh out whats happening now.
That episode def didnt develop the storyline and just did the usual (bring in another set of others and leaders to act as protagonists to develop season 6)

Very disappointing-enough of the backstory, enough of the secrets, its going to take at least a full season to explain whats happened in the previous 5 without bringing in new elements.

Sad Professor

9

I'm really surprised by some of the mixed reactions. I thought it was amazing. Totally worth the wait. I don't really know what else people were expecting. This was Lost at it's best imo.

As usual several of my theories got blown away but I was right about one key thing: the parallel time lines. I predicted the writers would do this back in the comic-con thread in July. Although they seem to be going much further with it then I imagined.

As a possible explanation for the two timelines - maybe the electromagnetism has an effect similar to quantum mechanics. After Juliet hit the bomb it had equal chance of going off or not going off. Schrodinger's cat anyone? Maybe both happened.

I don't know where everyone is getting Sayid = Jacob from. There's obviously something up with Sayid but I don't think Jacob is possessing him. What happened with Un-Locke is totally different.

I'm not sure the purpose of the ALT is to show us how miserable these characters would have been if not for the plane crash. We got that just from their flashbacks in previous seasons. The alt characters seem different. I think the purpose of the parallel timeline may be to show that the island was never really that important at all. That these characters were just destined to meet. The idea that Jack may end up curing Locke in the ALT would be proof of this.

That scene between Jack and Locke in the airport was beautifully written. Alt-Locke is different. Unlike the old Locke this Locke went on his walkabout. He seems much more at peace with himself, accepting of being in a wheelchair. Jack meanwhile appears not to have lost his faith as he did in the original timeline - he believes anything is possible.

The island being underwater in the ALT is fascinating. My first thought was Atlantis. I don't think the island is Atlantis but the writers may be borrowing some ideas for their own story. Atlantis also had Egyptian connections and (like Lost island) had a volcano which eventually sunk it. Or so the story goes.

Perhaps the Swan site was right over the island's volcano. Of course it's not a regular volcano. The island's volcano is probably a rupture in the island's electromagnetic core. And the pool in Temple would appear to be a hot spring.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

9

I thought it was great. Don't know why people are saying its too complicated - its less complicated than it was in previous seasons... and we're already getting big answers...
The biggest question in the first couple of seasons was "What is the Black Smoke?" and now we know...
Can't wait for next week... Great seeing Claire in the taxi at the end... Just hope she'll reappear on the island sooner rather than later...

TonyD79

5

CaptainNegative wrote: »

I thought it was great. Don't know why people are saying its too complicated - its less complicated than it was in previous seasons... and we're already getting big answers...
The biggest question in the first couple of seasons was "What is the Black Smoke?" and now we know...

Do we really? We dont know exactly what it is and why it kills some and not others.

darrenh

6

I think people found it disappointing because it had no real big answers. We all knew most of what we found out today already, but then they added in a few more dimensions, in more ways than one!

silsean

5

TonyD79 wrote: »

Do we really? We dont know exactly what it is and why it kills some and not others.

We might not be told everything about the black smoke by the ending of lost. But just in case we are i want you all to know that way back in season 1 i said that the black smoke eats lucky charms for breakfast and it's favourite colour was black. God i hope we learn everything about it, the spin off show has to happen.

I have to say Kates landing onto a tree was quite lucky. She must eat lucky charms for breakfast too.

Tristram

7

silsean wrote: »

We might not be told everything about the black smoke by the ending of lost. But just in case we are i want you all to know that way back in season 1 i said that the black smoke eats lucky charms for breakfast and it's favourite colour was black. God i hope we learn everything about it, the spin off show has to happen.

I have to say Kates landing onto a tree was quite lucky. She must eat lucky charms for breakfast too.

BaelNaMblath

9

Poor Locke

opr

8

Any significance to the cut Jack gets when looking in the mirror ?

lolazizzy

Lost S6 seems to be available on the RTE Player now!!!

www.rte.ie/player

James Forde

7

rpo wrote: »

Any significance to the cut Jack gets when looking in the mirror ?

or any significance with the cut on his neck?

i really wanted all of the "alternative reality" stuff to end and to just focus on the island going ons

hopefully the ar stuff is just some form of slowing down the show

James Forde

7

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

very good article and interview with the producers regards the new series

Jay Ru

I thought it was a pretty meh really. Not once did any of the losties ask any relevant questions when they went to the temple, like who the **** are u guys and what kind of temple is this. i was right bout the smokie/man in back/locke stuff though, yay for me! I don't really care to much for what happens in the alt time line t.b.h.

That line from Locke at the end bout being disappointed in everyone leads me to believe that it might not a straight forward case of him being evil and Jacob being good. I think that this man in black was maybe the original leader on the island and the others where his followers until he was overthrown by Jacob and banished to the cabin. The only reason i cud see for him being disappointed is the fact that now of them ever tried to help him.

I also think that man in blacks name is going to be very important, why else wud they have not revealed it by now?

Oh and Richard was once a slave eh? Me thinks he definitely came from the ship!

tok9

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Jay Ru wrote: »

I thought it was a pretty meh really. Not once did any of the losties ask any relevant questions when they went to the temple, like who the **** are u guys and what kind of temple is this. i was right bout the smokie/man in back/locke stuff though, yay for me! I don't really care to much for what happens in the alt time line t.b.h.
!

why would they ask who are they, we know they're the others.