Nvidia Announce Fermi Cards as GTX 480 and GTX 470

cherryghost

http://twitter.com/NVIDIAGeForce

:pac:

Its do or die really. If its overpriced, they're fecked, simple as

leninbenjamin

Interesting. They still haven't been able to produce any accurate benchmarks of the card, yet they have been able to go ahead and plan the marketing campaign? lol

cherryghost

yeah its crazy...

maybe its all a huge cover up and its a rebranded 8800gtx and overclocked. :rolleyes:

kowloon

So I'm still looking for an ATI card then?

cherryghost

yep

marco_polo

kowloon wrote: »

So I'm still looking for an ATI card then?

Yep. In fact one of the cornerstones of NVidias current strategy seems to be: keep making vague announcements to persuade people considering on splashing out on an ATI card hold out for juuuuusssssssst another few weeks (and then a few more and so on ).

PogMoThoin

I'm waiting for the price of the 5870 to drop, until Nvidia actually release something the price won't drop. Hurry up Nvidia, release something, anything

cherryghost

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I'm waiting for the price of the 5870 to drop, until Nvidia actually release something the price won't drop. Hurry up Nvidia, release something, anything

Introducing the Nvidia GTS450! A rebrand of the GTS250, which in turn is a rebrand of the 9800gtx, which in turn is a rebranded 8800gtx!!!

ENJOY!!!!!

cherryghost

cherryghost wrote: »

Introducing the Nvidia GTS450! A rebrand of the GTS250, which in turn is a rebrand of the 9800gtx, which in turn is a rebranded 8800gtx!!!

ENJOY!!!!!

:eek::eek::eek: Where can i get one?!?!

Wonda-Boy

LMAO @ Cherry.....:)

Solitaire

To paraphrase a certain Homer: "Its funny because its truuue!!"

AlmightyCushion

cherryghost wrote: »

Introducing the Nvidia GTS450! A rebrand of the GTS250, which in turn is a rebrand of the 9800gtx, which in turn is a rebranded 8800gtx!!!

ENJOY!!!!!

Don't buy that rubbish gts450, msi will be releasing a version with 8GBs vram!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!!! Because the 2GB 9600gt wasn't nearly pointless enough.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6022&Itemid=1

Jonny7

the first company to release one of those cheapy new 5 series ATI card with 4 gigs memory will make a looottt of money.. regardless of how ****/useless it is..

While I like the whole giantkiller thing, honestly Nvidia have to come out with something soon, the ATI prices just keep rising.. remember a 5850 was listed on hardwareversand for 208 euro when they came out

Even the 4890's and 4870's have gone up in price

Solitaire

Jonny7 wrote: »

remember a 5850 was listed on hardwareversand for 208 euro when they came out

****, estimated release price of the HD5830 has been constantly going up before its even launched! :eek: Was supposed to be ~€150, now a fortnight late and latest price estimate is now €215 minimum!! :mad: Boo-urns to that! I'm sticking with a HD5770 in that case! :mad:

Its Q4 2006 all over again... except this time its the red team that's spamming out the DX1* faceraep!

lmimmfn

Solitaire wrote: »

****, estimated release price of the HD5830 has been constantly going up before its even launched! :eek: Was supposed to be ~€150, now a fortnight late and latest price estimate is now €215 minimum!! :mad: Boo-urns to that! I'm sticking with a HD5770 in that case! :mad:

Its Q4 2006 all over again... except this time its the red team that's spamming out the DX1* faceraep!

thats great seeing as my 5850 cost around 215euro lol

Solitaire

lmimmfn wrote: »

thats great seeing as my 5850 cost around 215euro lol

Oh, and after Fermigate (Dremelled PCB FTL :P) and Bumpgate (owwww!) looks like its going to be May before Fermi ships in quantity. Will there be anyone left who takes nVidia seriously by then? :P

swirlser

"Nvidia's Fermi GTX480 is broken and unfixable" - a fun title right?

And to think last October I was delaying buying a new machine hoping to see a date for Fermi. Really glad I didnt wait XD

Solitaire

Ah! I was wondering why the GT240 was so naff - I thought it was intended as a 40nm analogue of the 9800GT. Turns out it was - until nVidia made such a mess of it they had to bin it and rename the GT230 to GT240, despite the fact it was still a 40nm 9600GT under the hood!

Why the hell does nVidia have to waggle its e-peen at the most inappropriate moments?! ATi used the HD4770 as a testbed and got a lot of respect from me for doing so. They were very public about their issues with 40nm and took a good long time to rework their entire HD5000 lineup to compensate and hopefully make them realistic, much less profitable. When an ultra-aggressive company like nVidia stops stealing ideas from its blood-rival, right down to something as obvious as "battle-stations lads, there be dragons in 40nm-land!" and lose a whole year's output as a result of sheer ignorance you have to wonder wtf is going on behind the scenes.

And given it took them three years to realise the core issue in Bumpgate and even start to rectify the issue how long before they start addressing the core issues with Fermi? They've already gone through three botched revisions and it looks as if there'll be a fourth and even a fifth before they realise they need a whole new stepping (and a major one, with a base-level redesign!) to try and get Fermi to the shelves!

leninbenjamin

Solitaire wrote: »

you have to wonder wtf is going on behind the scenes.

Same thing as always happens in these cases, 'executive led' development. The CEO makes some announcement to raise profile and investor confidence without consulting his/her engineering team. Then has them down tools on the real development so they can save him from looking like the total tool he/she is.

Solitaire

+1. The guy who stole all the credit from his predecessor and got a ton of "CEO Of The Year" awards is currently only up for Darwin Awards and everyone in the industry is praying he gets the boot sooner rather than later. nVidia disintegrating at this point in time would have serious consequences for the IT industry - only CPUs (and to a degree PSUs and cases) are even trying to stick to Moore's Law and if nVidia goes the hugely detrimental cycle of GPU price increases could finally tip the market into free-fall - no point coding for a platform that consumers can't realistically afford :eek:

swirlser

Lol, brilliant, the "major announcement" was made... apparently nV has a new card coming... soon(ish) (maybe)

lmimmfn

Solitaire wrote: »

Oh, and after Fermigate (Dremelled PCB FTL :P) and Bumpgate (owwww!) looks like its going to be May before Fermi ships in quantity. Will there be anyone left who takes nVidia seriously by then? :P

lmao.

Charlie is having a fieldday with Nvidias current problems getting Furbi out the door

Solitaire

lmimmfn wrote: »

Nvidias current problems getting Furbi out the door

marco_polo

Rumours of a TDP for the 480 of well over 250W :eek:

cherryghost

300W for the 480 and 220 for the 470

AlmightyCushion

cherryghost wrote: »

300W for the 480 and 220 for the 470

We're getting to the stage where card makers will have to start throwing in free power supplies instead of games with their cards.

lmimmfn

benchies - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpdPSZB8A8E

HOWEVER: Uniengine 1.1 doesnt exist and why he's running it on a stock machine, besides if the low yield rumours are correct the 5870 will overclock wayyy better than fermi. The x2 on Tessellation is impressive however no games use it and i dont think it will be worth the 20-30% price premium over the 5870.

I do like their multi display solution far better than ATI's though, no stupid display port needed( and it works on older cards like the 260 etc. )

Solitaire

ATi really shot themselves in the foot with DismayPort :rolleyes:

Even so, what kind of availability are we talking about here? Given their leanings I imagine a lot of the dies that do become available (eventually...) will end up in Quadros rather than consumer-grade cards

BadCharlie

For each 480 Nvidia sell they will be making a loss on each card. so i would not expect to see many of them for sale or people getting them EVER.

cherryghost

BadCharlie wrote: »

For each 480 Nvidia sell they will be making a loss on each card. so i would not expect to see many of them for sale or people getting them EVER.

well that makes no sense whatsoever. Whats the point in selling them then

Show me a link or gtfo :pac:

BadCharlie

cherryghost wrote: »

well that makes no sense whatsoever. Whats the point in selling them then

Show me a link or gtfo :pac:

LoL

Well this is what i think and so do lots of others.
They are going to make a loss for each 480 video card they sell (so will not want to sell all that many of). They will have lots of 470 that u can buy but after a few weeks all the 480 will be sold out and u wont be able to get them again or very very hard to get your hands on them, every so often they will let out a few hundred 480 cards which will be snapped up fast.

Just do a bit of googling about nvidia yelds. Or vist well know web sites like Guru3d, overclockers, overclock, hardocp forums and read for your self.
The cost to make a 480 video card is so high and they have to bin so many of the chips which will go into your 470 and their other lower cards.

cherryghost

well im sorry, but i dont see the point releasing them at a loss. considering some manufacturers havent even got the PCB specs yet, they might as well not go ahead with the damn thing.

I see the understanding for releasing the PS3 at a loss, since they regain their margins in software sales, but what have nvidia got to recoup losses?

swirlser

Keeping the nV love alive in this thread...

196.75 to boost your nV gpu to new heights! - *(but may cause your card to assplode)

And as for Fermi being released and making a loss, its a question of taking the crown back and saving face. It all seems like a total joke at this stage, they couldnt even get this ^ PR stunt off without it going up in flames (literally, lol).

cherryghost

swirlser wrote: »

Keeping the nV love alive in this thread...

196.75 to boost your nV gpu to new heights! - *(but may cause your card to assplode)

And as for Fermi being released and making a loss, its a question of taking the crown back and saving face. It all seems like a total joke at this stage, they couldnt even get this ^ PR stunt off without it going up in flames (literally, lol).

thank feck for it tbh. got it yesterday. crysis wars was stuttering and shadows were flickering. new drivers have fixed the issue, running smooth and silky now

BadCharlie

Here is a read if you have the time.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/

Also i have to say to the people who keep saying they cant wait for the 480/470 to hit the shops and drive the price of the ATI cards down. I just dont think that ATI cards will drop their price when Nvidia cards come out and of late ATI cards have been going up in price
They might make a change to the price when the 5970 comes out and drop the price of the 5870.

Any ways we will see what happens in the next few months.

swirlser

cherryghost wrote: »

thank feck for it tbh. got it yesterday. crysis wars was stuttering and shadows were flickering. new drivers have fixed the issue, running smooth and silky now

Roll back from 196.75

BadCharlie wrote: »

Here is a read if you have the time.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/02/17/nvidias-fermigtx480-broken-and-unfixable/

I linked that the other week. To be fair, Charlie (the author of that article, not you - altho maybe you too ) is known to be a little bit of an nV hater. But there is much truth in there.

Im more excited about what ATI have coming up anyway. I also think people will be disappointed with price adjustments after Fermi launch. I mean all the whispers indicate its performing between a 5870 & a 5970 and since its priced as such, its not much of an incentive for ATI to budge on price. :-/

BadCharlie

swirlser wrote: »

Roll back from 196.75
I linked that the other week. To be fair, Charlie (the author of that article, not you - altho maybe you too ) is known to be a little bit of an nV hater. But there is much truth in there.

Im more excited about what ATI have coming up anyway. I also think people will be disappointed with price adjustments after Fermi launch. I mean all the whispers indicate its performing between a 5870 & a 5970 and since its priced as such, its not much of an incentive for ATI to budge on price. :-/

I don't Hate NV at all lol. I have bought more of their cards then ATI in my time. I will always go for best bang for my buck. Looking at my sig u will think other wise but i picked my card up second hand at a very good price.

I know its bad to have one company on top all the time. You only need to look at Intel and AMD back with the p4 days. Intel got one hell of a shock back then from AMD, now we have I7,5,3 spoiled with choice.

cherryghost

0_o


ffs nvidia, you (insert insult here)

Solitaire

cherryghost wrote: »

well im sorry, but i dont see the point releasing them at a loss. considering some manufacturers havent even got the PCB specs yet, they might as well not go ahead with the damn thing.

Its all about saving face and the usual nVidia arrogance :rolleyes: But the odds are nVidia won't make such a loss from the GTX480s themselves because there simply won't be many of them and they're almost certainly going to come out at an even higher price than suggested depending on their performance in reviews and as AMD keeps raising their prices the price of all high-end cards will be at a 10-year high by the time they release, and it'll be a very limited release.

nVidia have pretty much given up on the 40nm incarnation of Fermi and will only release a limited number of GPUs. However, few of them will end up in GTX480s; the bulk of them will appear in top-end Quadro enterprise cards that are sold for a price several magnitudes higher than the GTX480 consumer cards. From what I've heard even the cut-down GTX480 incarnation of Fermi sounds more like a ****-hot research/mathematical/GPGPU GPU for enterprise cards than a conventional 3D accelerator and the bulk of them will probably be sold as Quadros. That way nVidia takes out several birds with one stone; they get to waggle their corporate e-peens in reviews, whet the appetites of fanboys and keep the industrial customers happy while limiting their financial losses.

lmimmfn

Solitaire wrote: »

ATi really shot themselves in the foot with DismayPort :rolleyes:

lmao, excellent. but yeah, only for the display port i could be using eyefinity with my 3 screens, if i get an expensive display port screen i may as well go for 3x24" but that costs an absolute fortune.

Shrugging Atlas

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/06/nvidia-gtx-480-makes-benchmarking-debut-matches-ati-hd-5870-per/?s=t5

Numbers starting to come out regarding performance. Turns out the last few months waiting have been for nought - aside from better performance with tesselation the GTX480 is on a par with the 5870. Also requires 8-pin + 6-pin power connections.

You'd think being this long to market after the competition they'd hold off until they actually had a significantly better product. Ah well, unless they undercut the 58xx range on price I can't see too many people choosing it over ATI - that being said with the supply / demand grief at the moment they'll sell a few

Dorsanty

Shrugging Atlas wrote: »

You'd think being this long to market after the competition they'd hold off until they actually had a significantly better product. Ah well, unless they undercut the 58xx range on price I can't see too many people choosing it over ATI - that being said with the supply / demand grief at the moment they'll sell a few

With it being a new mass process for their chip the cost will still be high at first. Their only possible save would be to sell at a loss and take a hit for the first 6 months or more until their own cost of manufacturing dropped under their sale price.

With ATI having mass production of their 5xxx cards for as long as they have they could already be looking to revise their own process to a cheaper one allowing them to price drop or just increase margin overall.

Either way ATI are laughing for the next while and I'm sure ATI could drop their price if Nvidia went aggressive on their pricing. Of course all this is great for the customers...bring it on!

Solitaire

:mad: What was good for the customers was when AMD and nVidia were in direct contention!!! :mad:

marco_polo

Hexus.net reporting some leaked unofficial benchmarks for the 480.
While I hope these are accurate as it measn we might actually have a competition again in the GPU market, since it is Nvidia am a little skeptical as they look a little too good and I wouldn't put anything past them, we shall know in a few days when the big reviewers get there hands on them.


http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23032

leninbenjamin

marco_polo wrote: »

Hexus.net reporting some leaked unofficial benchmarks for the 480.
While I hope these are accurate as it measn we might actually have a competition again in the GPU market, since it is Nvidia am a little skeptical as they look a little too good and I wouldn't put anything past them, we shall know in a few days when the big reviewers get there hands on them.


http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=23032

Don't ATI have a Cypress refresh due the same time as Fermi? Considering the claims they made earlier I find the benches against a 6 month old card quite underwhelming.

cherryghost

if those benchmarks are correct, i'm pleasantly suprised

marco_polo

Are nvidia above leaking fake unofficial benchmarks? Or am i too cynical

flyingsnail

marco_polo wrote: »

Or am i too cynical

I don’t think so
I think I will reserve my judgment until we see some independent benchmarks.

marco_polo

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Don't ATI have a Cypress refresh due the same time as Fermi? Considering the claims they made earlier I find the benches against a 6 month old card quite underwhelming.

No doubt ATI have a few tricks in reserve, I completely agree they are not exactly mind blowing number given the 6 month gap, but I think it is moreso that the gap might not be as close as people feared it would, if these numbers are accurate. For the sake of GPU consumers everywhere, it simply needs to be some margin better I think.

swirlser

Well Ive been looking forward to this launch. Not that Im going to buy one - just its been awhile and this one seems to have more than the usual amount of hype surrounding it.

Those numbers 'leaked' are roughly what I had expected, given the 5-20% figure that has been thrown around a lot these last few months and ofc nV are going to put the strongest ones forward (obv!).

How they actually do across a wider spectrum of games and apps and indeed what they end up retailing for, we'll know soon enough.

What I do find interesting is that despite this cut down version they were forced to do, its still pretty powerful. Would have been very impressive if they actually pulled it off. I guess the 28nm incarnation is going to be something special.

Venom

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

We're getting to the stage where card makers will have to start throwing in free power supplies instead of games with their cards.

Isn't there some regulation tho about GPU's not going over 300w hence the 5970's being under clocked?