Cork City Marathon 7.6.10

eliwallach

With exactly 18 weeks to go I thought this to be an appropriate time to start a thread for the Cork City Marathon on Monday June 7th.

18 week training schedules start today .

Good luck.

blind_hurler

you planning the full one this year..

Who will be able to take your spot in the relay!!

RoyMcC

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Yes, my 18-week programme starts today also - with a rest day :pac: Looking forward to meeting up with the boardsies again.

Surely, by the law of probabilities, we can rely on more a normal day temperature-wise this year?

No doubt Woddle will be along at some stage to sort out the relays, great craic last year.

eliwallach

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blind_hurler wrote: »

you planning the full one this year..

Who will be able to take your spot in the relay!!

Well I won't be doing Dublin again!
Am planning the full for Cork (but Shhhhh, don't tell the OH!), but will have to get an able replacement* for the Boards A relay team.

* someone not capable of running sub 70min 10 mile .

TheLargerBowl

RoyMcC wrote: »

Surely, by the law of probabilities, we can rely on more a normal day temperature-wise this year?

Now you've done it, it'll be cold and rainy now for it :pac:

Relay is a lot of fun, don't think I'll do it myself this year but it'd be nice to see a couple of boardsie teams do well

elvis jones

I've been getting in base miles for a few months and my 18 week starts today........did 9 miles yesterday just to get ready:D

Off to Lanzarote this week so my 1st week will be warm wearther training. When i get back on Feb 10 the booze is gone until June !!!

Room booked down there for the Sunday night and plans falling into place.

Ala big brother...............day 1 in the Cork marathon schedule, elvis is resting after 9 miles yesterday:cool:

robinph

No way I'm doing a marathon in June. I don't care what you people think the weather is "normally" like, it's June, it's summer, it's not weather that robinph is going marathon running in.

I'm definately up for the relay again though and if eliwallach is going for the full we'll need to get a new team together. If we can get two teams made up of boardies again it would be great, and we can have another bash at that 3hr target as well.

eliwallach

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robinph wrote: »

I'm definately up for the relay and we can have another bash at that 3hr target as well.

That's why I so magniminiously* stepped aside......;)

* check spelling

Nidot

Hey guys,

A cork guy here. CC Marathon is gona be my first full marathon, done 10k, 10m and relay before but this is gona be my first.

Best of luck to everyone who's gona be doing it, I'll be the one just hoping to finish it.

On the weather topic, whats the story with it, like I did the relay for the last 2 years and its been unreal, like its never that hot for the rest of June, it just always seems to be that weekend.

chinguetti

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I reckon the warm weather is due to the Leaving Cert starting 2 days later. Surely we can all remember sitting in a gym writing like a demon about the madness of Hamlet and Peig Sayers with the sun blasting in through the windows?

Would love to do the relay for Boards but already signed up for Edinburgh and couldn't guarantee if i could make it.

robinph

chinguetti wrote: »

Would love to do the relay for Boards but already signed up for Edinburgh and couldn't guarantee if i could make it.

On last years race one of the relay legs was only 3.2 miles long, with the rest being between 5.2 and 6.4 miles long. So the short leg could be possible if you'd not want to risk committing to more.

They have yet to put the details of the relay legs on the website though, they actually still have the 2009 distances listed as them not being certain about. I'm not sure how the changes to this year route will effect the relay and the changeovers though.

Edit: I just found this map from the Cork Running blog which shows approximately how the route will be changed this year:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KzUvGt3xDV0/S0fC3-qGrMI/AAAAAAAAE9w/rBGNZkhINwk/s1600-h/CorkMarathonRoute2009_Maybe.jpg
The changeover points last year are where the 1, 3 and 4 are on the map. The 2 seems to have been deleted in the editing of the map, but with the route changing that much I guess the changeover locations will have to move.

RoyMcC

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Lads, after discussion with Cap'n Woddle I'm opening a Cork Mara Relay thread. Then we can keep this one for the full marathon animals

tisnotover

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Given the heat wave in Cork the last few years, I'm wondering what people's thoughts/experience of Marathon Pace should be.

Pacing - How badly does the heat impact trying to keep to a goal pace?
Strategy - Should you set-off 10s/mile slower than what you might under normal conditions?
Heart-Rate - Rather than maybe targetting a pace, would it be better to target a heart rate range and sticking to that?

Sosa

tisnotover wrote: »

Given the heat wave in Cork the last few years, I'm wondering what people's thoughts/experience of Marathon Pace should be.

Pacing - How badly does the heat impact trying to keep to a goal pace?
Strategy - Should you set-off 10s/mile slower than what you might under normal conditions?
Heart-Rate - Rather than maybe targetting a pace, would it be better to target a heart rate range and sticking to that?

I have only done one,which you have read the report.
I have learned a few things.

1.Without a doubt,start the first 2/3m 10s a mile slower...you have 23/24m to make up those 20 seconds,if you have trained well,you will make them up.

2.I can only imagine that the heat will play a big factor,but what can you do about that...nothing...you could decide on the day to go slower...i know that i wouldnt.
If you went up there and it was wind and rain,you would have to deal with that also !

3.Dont know a thing about HR.
(hopefully getting a forerunner 405 soon)

Hopfully i will be at the start line myself.

Gunnersonny

What sort of a course is the Cork marathon? Is it hilly? Thinking of doing it. Will be first one, so the less hills the better!

RoyMcC

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Gunnersonny wrote: »

What sort of a course is the Cork marathon? Is it hilly? Thinking of doing it. Will be first one, so the less hills the better!

Ah there's a few, and it gets a bit sporting in the third quarter. I'd hardly call it a 'hilly marathon' though, amazingly, some do.

Your best bet is to train on some hills, get used to them, welcome them in. Then you'll approach any race, hilly or not, without trepidation.

Good luck on your first mara, see you there.

Gunnersonny

...Lovely. Hills in the third quarter just where you'd like to see them! Cheers.

Sosa

Gunnersonny wrote: »

...Lovely. Hills in the third quarter just where you'd like to see them! Cheers.

The route has been changed,supposed to be unveiled next week or the following...alot of the hills gone.

elvis jones

any half marathons in April, i just want some race pratice for running around others and general race preperation.

Oh and i'm in Laois but don't mind traveling.

eliwallach

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elvis jones wrote: »

any half marathons in April, i just want some race pratice for running around others and general race preperation.

Oh and i'm in Laois but don't mind traveling.

There's one in Ballybunion www.runballybunion.com in early April.
But if I were you (and quite obviously, I'm not ), I would try to run the Half Marathon a bit closer to the main event. i.e. in May. For that check out www.bayrun.ie

I think there is also a half marathon lumped in the the full marathon planned for Limerick in May.

DustyBin

elvis jones wrote: »

any half marathons in April, i just want some race pratice for running around others and general race preperation.

Oh and i'm in Laois but don't mind traveling.

Wexford Half is on 2nd May

tisnotover

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signed up for Cork and Bayrun and hear's me thinking i'd a fear of commitment

elvis jones

eliwallach wrote: »

There's one in Ballybunion www.runballybunion.com in early April.
But if I were you (and quite obviously, I'm not ), I would try to run the Half Marathon a bit closer to the main event. i.e. in May. For that check out www.bayrun.ie

I think there is also a half marathon lumped in the the full marathon planned for Limerick in May.

I'm looking at Wexford in May but just wanted one is April so i have 2 under my belt......................

Ballybunion is too far with my night work as i'm working the night before. Ah i'll go and have a look elsewhere on the site.

How is everyone's training going ?

tisnotover

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elvis jones wrote: »

How is everyone's training going ?

just starting into it now really, put together a rough 18week training plan off the Hal Higdon Intermediate II plan. how're things going yourself?

elvis jones

I'm using HH Novice 2 plan myself. I'd love to do a sub 4.30 but who knows that will shoe itself in the next few months.

This was my 1st proper week as i was away in Lanzarote. I was feeling lazy on sunday but still got up and did 9 miles......felt all the better for it.

I also got Hal's training book from Amazon and its helping me as well.

My diet has had to change and i'm feeling all the better for it.

tisnotover

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elvis jones wrote: »

I'm using HH Novice 2 plan myself. I'd love to do a sub 4.30 but who knows that will shoe itself in the next few months.

This was my 1st proper week as i was away in Lanzarote. I was feeling lazy on sunday but still got up and did 9 miles......felt all the better for it.

I also got Hal's training book from Amazon and its helping me as well.

My diet has had to change and i'm feeling all the better for it.

good stuff. best of luck with training from here on!

do you've a link to the book? Mite give it a look. I hear ya about diet, i'm using lent as an excuse to give up bad habits!

Sosa

Im sure i would have heard by now,but are there pacers for cork ?

tisnotover

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Sosa wrote: »

Im sure i would have heard by now,but are there pacers for cork ?

there hasn't been the last few years AFAIK.
the new route is meant to be announced today by all accounts...

Gringo78

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Hopefully its the course as suggested a few weeks back.....ran the course from mahon point SC to end of centre park road which would be hopefully miles 8.25 to 15 on the new course and its a nice stretch....5 or 6 miles flat as a pancake (apart from a footbridge) which would help to steady the ship nicely.

eliwallach

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Confirmed:

The organizers of the Bord Gáis Energy Cork City Marathon are changing the race course in 2010, taking out the punishing hills along the 26.2 mile route to make it flatter and more enjoyable for all those taking part.
On the back of feedback from runners and relay teams, the main change to the 2010 route is the exclusion of the energy sapping uphill on Model Farm Road from Inchigaggin Bridge out to Nangles Nursery and the tough downhill after that on Church Hill. To compensate for the loss of two miles in the western section, the new route takes in the popular walkway amenity along the Lough Mahon waterfront and the Rochestown/Blackrock section of the old Passage railway line. Two miles out from the finish line, the new route also sees a shift from the Western Road at the Sacred Heart Church to the Mardyke, a stretch of road with a more favourable camber for runners. Full map and course details are available to download on the marathon’s brand new ‘social media hub’ at www.readysteadycork.ie

Gringo78

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Sosa wrote: »

Im sure i would have heard by now,but are there pacers for cork ?

Why would you be asking about the pacers? Sure they're not going to have pacers for 2:50-2:55

eliwallach

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Bit small but.....

tisnotover

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Gringo78 wrote: »

Hopefully its the course as suggested a few weeks back.....ran the course from mahon point SC to end of centre park road which would be hopefully miles 8.25 to 15 on the new course and its a nice stretch....5 or 6 miles flat as a pancake (apart from a footbridge) which would help to steady the ship nicely.

yep, that part dead flat as u say, hope all the dogs are tied up :rolleyes:

Condo131

(I believe) The course is going to be officially announced this afternoon. The changes (over last year) are:

Just before Blackrock Castle (@ about 11.25 miles), swing right along the Lakelands Path (where the ESB 5k BHAA race went yesterday) and rejoining the Marina by the Pumping Station (15 miles). This section removes the severe hill just after the Castle, but adds the footbridge. It also eliminates much of the concrete, poorly cambered Marina.

The next change is at Lower Friar's Walk:
Last year you went right onto Connolly Road and left onto Pearse Road. This year you will go straight ahead, up a short drag and take a left onto Pearse Road. Over all replaces 2 long drags with a short, slightly steeper one, but better imho.

Next change is the Lough Loop is gone - go straight through at Hartland's Ave.

Next change - and this will bring shouts of joy from many - the Model Farm Road from the Tennis Village to the Straight Road at Inchigaggin is gone! So the mile long drag to Nangles is no more and the Straight Road section has been cut down to about 1.5 miles.

Next change:
At Victoria Cross turn left and immediately right onto the Mardyke. This cuts out the awful camber on Western Road. Rejoin the old course at the Cumann na mBan walkway.

The final change is, instead of turning over Christy Ring Bridge at the Opera House, continue up Camden Quay (26 miles) and right onto Patrick's Bridge. This should open out the finishing area more and also enable the PA people to see who's coming a bit better.

Overall the course is *MUCH* flatter.

I hope to post a photo guide to the course - and running the SPR (shortest possible route) - sometime over the next few weeks, on the Eagle AC website. I still have to re-measure the section from the Dogs Home (9 miles), through the Tunnel (the current measuring hold-up) and back to the start, but the course has been fully measured from the finish back to 9 miles now. The only anticipated changes from here on are minor adjustments to the start and finish (to allow for start/finish logistics0, with consequent mile mark adjustments - but we're only talking about movements of up to 70 or 80 metres here, with no course changes.

Condo131

tisnotover wrote: »

hope all the dogs are tied up :rolleyes:

Grrr!!! :mad::mad::mad:
Yes definitely. I've highlighted this several times to the CCM people. This is a big problem most days along this stretch.

Run it several times a week and rarely have a problem, but have occasionally had one.

I'll continue to stress this *VERY* strongly with the CCM organisers. imho, NO dogs on this section on the day!

Gringo78

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tisnotover wrote: »

hope all the dogs are tied up :rolleyes:

I've run into the odd pony & trap, motorbike & even a paraglider along that path. Hoever I have to say people generally look after their dogs, tis more the walkers 4 abreast accross ths path that annoy me.

Sosa

Gringo78 wrote: »

Why would you be asking about the pacers? Sure they're not going to have pacers for 2:50-2:55

Very funny Gringo...but im not greedy.....

Condo131

Gringo78 wrote: »

I've run into the odd pony & trap, motorbike & even a paraglider along that path. Hoever I have to say people generally look after their dogs, tis more the walkers 4 abreast accross ths path that annoy me.

...Don't forget the burnt out car right on top of the pedestrian bridge, happened 3 or 4 years ago! :eek: You can still see the spot where the heat melted off the tarmac.

For the record, this section of the Marathon route is going to be closed to the public during the event.

I still worry though....will the dog owners accept redundancy without a fight?? As I said before, every time we meet, I stress this to the CCM organising committee.

DustyBin

OK
Signed up at lunch time - first marathon ready to go

RoyMcC

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Boo! I like the Marina and especially the Lough where there is usually great support

happy_73

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RoyMcC wrote: »

Boo! I like the Marina and especially the Lough where there is usually great support

+1 on that! Hope it's not another scorcher of a day. Did 16.5 on Sunday moring at 9am, foggy, cold, drizzil, light breeze in the air - would have been a great day for it

S

Condo131

RoyMcC wrote: »

Boo! I like the Marina and especially the Lough where there is usually great support

The Marina is still there - it's just that about half of it is now gone.

The Lough is still there, just that we won't be going round it. Last year there were a load of problems here. The first few relay teams went straight through, bypassing the loop around the Lough, as did several marathoners. *Loads* of people cut onto the inner path around the Lough itself, thus cutting that mile short by a BIG margin. That section would NOT stand up to scrutiny.

Elimination of the section of Model Farm Road and Carrigrohane (aka Straight) Road between Inchigaggin and Nangle's would not have been possible without the other changes. It's a trade-off. One of Murphy's Laws is "If you try to please everyone, someone will object" - in other words, you can't please everyone...but we try.

btw, the supporters at the Lough haven't gone away, y'know;) ....and I'm sure they'll be there to cheer on Boards AC in their efforts to turn the tables on Golden Eagles in 2010!:D

DustyBin

Condo131 wrote: »

*Loads* of people cut onto the inner path around the Lough itself, thus cutting that mile short by a BIG margin.

Were they not just running the SPR then?? :pac:

RoyMcC

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Condo131 wrote: »

The Lough is still there, just that we won't be going round it. Last year there were a load of problems here. The first few relay teams went straight through, bypassing the loop around the Lough, as did several marathoners. *Loads* of people cut onto the inner path around the Lough itself, thus cutting that mile short by a BIG margin. That section would NOT stand up to scrutiny.

Yes, point taken. A shame as it's an iconic and historic part of Cork. But it's also organisationally difficult, as you've pointed out. I'll stick to having a walk around it the evening before and having a pint at that pub on the corner

eliwallach

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100 days to go......;)

tisnotover

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I tweeted the cork city marathon website re: pacers, just got this response

thecorkmarathon
"we hope to have pacers this year. In discussions about it! We'll update the site as soon as we know for sure."

Ol' Donie

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Alright, finalised my training plan today. Ready to go. Can't wait. First marathon for me - also doing craughwell ten miler, great ireland run and kildare half on the way. Let's roll...

hot to trot

Ol Donie , im down for the great ireland and the curragh run too. Is that Craughwell In Galway? When is that on?

Ol' Donie

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Yep, its in galway alright. On sunday week (mothers day, i think). I think it might be full, though. There is a thread about it, but i cant search, cos im using my phone to read boards. I might be wrong (that's happened before...)

hot to trot

Better bond with my sprogs so.:rolleyes:
Try to convince husband that MOthers day - is a day off for mothers . I try to skip off and let him have them for the day.:D
When Fathers day comes I tell him that he needs to spend time with them as they dont see enough of him ...and I skip off again.:D

Going to take a big rest for a couple of weeks and might manage to sneak into cork if I cn get home in time to get daughter number 1 ready for the junior cert

colblimp

Hi all.

I'm looking for a runner to do the first half of the relay for me and I'm having a problem finding someone. There's no real major time pressure for completing the race, but I would like to finish under 3:30, which is a leisurely 8 minute mile pace. If anyone's interested, could they send me a PM? Thanks, in anticipation.