Krav Maga in Dublin City

cable842

Im off holidays this week and would love to take a class in Krav Maga.

want to go to a class with my mate does anyone know of any classes in dublin city.

Where and what times which ones are the best.

Your thoughts please really want to check it out I here its amazing to do.

Boston

There's a place out in donabate
Theres this place in the city center

Both seem like complete mimics.

lauratkd

As far as I know the guy in Donabate is pretty damn good.

Can recommend Patrick, trained with him, knows what he is about and was the first Irish guy to bring it to Ireland afaik.

http://www.kravmagaireland.com/

cable842

well I contacted krav maga ireland and this is what I got back I got a bit of a shock.

I just wanted to check out one class with my mate cause the you tube videos look amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnZ0sfOiuIM

just wanted to go to one class and see how I got on heres what he said I was shocked by the price....

Thank you for your interest in our course.
Out of respect to our students taking our course we do not allow
observer.

The full course fee is €395 however there is a 50% discount for bookings in
the next few days. SO the fee is just €195 when you book now
To confirm your place you must simply respond to this mail and send a
deposit of €25 to

Patrick Cumiskey

Baggio...

cable842 wrote: »

The full course fee is €395 however there is a 50% discount for bookings in
the next few days.

There's lots of KM guys out there... just look around - you should be able to look at a class imo.

cable842

hopefully I will find classes that are reasonable priced.

it look thrilling the moved its exciting to do it.

Boston

If the course is 20 over 20 or so sessions, that's an OK price. 400 euro is taking the piss.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cable842 wrote: »

Im off holidays this week and would love to take a class in Krav Maga.

want to go to a class with my mate does anyone know of any classes in dublin city.

Where and what times which ones are the best.

Your thoughts please really want to check it out I here its amazing to do.

And what attracts you to Krav Maga?.

arybvtcw0eolkf

cable842 wrote: »

well I contacted krav maga ireland and this is what I got back I got a bit of a shock.

I just wanted to check out one class with my mate cause the you tube videos look amazing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnZ0sfOiuIM

just wanted to go to one class and see how I got on heres what he said I was shocked by the price....

Thank you for your interest in our course.
Out of respect to our students taking our course we do not allow
observer.

The full course fee is €395 however there is a 50% discount for bookings in
the next few days. SO the fee is just €195 when you book now
To confirm your place you must simply respond to this mail and send a
deposit of €25 to

Patrick Cumiskey

Good God, I wish I could make this a stick as a warning to others!.

Baggio...

Boston wrote: »

If the course is 20 over 20 or so sessions, that's an OK price. 400 euro is taking the piss.

That would be my thoughts too...

Doug Cartel

Don't forget to add in the price of Krav Maga™ hand-wraps, etc. People wonder why I'm so hard on KM, well this is one of the reasons.

For the price a lot of places charge for it, they'd want to be teaching me how to sprout adamantium claws from my fists.

Now I realise that not all KM places are like this, but there do seem to be a lot of them with slick websites, scare stories about the bad bad streets, and sky high prices.

Doug Cartel

Also the video you've posted is pretty bad. Notice how all the moves are pre arranged? Do you think he could do them against someone who wasn't letting him? (I don't)

Notice how all the attackers start off with un-realistic, exaggerated, clumsy moves, and then when he does his defence, they just freeze and let him fire off his twenty moves. How real is that?

Jason McCabe

I was checking out the prices on one of those links to and it was 20 euro a class.

From what I have seen of it it seems to be weak Japanese Jiu Jitsu with no-gi or kata

Plus a lot of scare stories. Common sense cannot be taught and this is the most important form of self defense

Boston

Jason McCabe wrote: »

I was checking out the prices on one of those links to and it was 20 euro a class.

From what I have seen of it it seems to be weak Japanese Jiu Jitsu with no-gi or kata

Plus a lot of scare stories. Common sense cannot be taught and this is the most important form of self defense

Pretty much Japanese Jiu Jitsu. Alot of the moves in the above video are too stylish to pull off in a real situation, but that's fair enough for an exhibition.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Don't forget to add in the price of Krav Maga™ hand-wraps, etc. People wonder why I'm so hard on KM, well this is one of the reasons.

For the price a lot of places charge for it, they'd want to be teaching me how to sprout adamantium claws from my fists.

I met a lad who did KM in the Netherlands, and swore by it. I think it all depends on the instructor.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Also the video you've posted is pretty bad. Notice how all the moves are pre arranged? Do you think he could do them against someone who wasn't letting him? (I don't)

Notice how all the attackers start off with un-realistic, exaggerated, clumsy moves, and then when he does his defence, they just freeze and let him fire off his twenty moves. How real is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnZ0sfOiuIM

Well, some of the chair things, I've trained in and they are practical. Obviously not the mounting of the guys shoulders in mid air. The real problem I have is that every is sped up massively. Even the moves which are real and are useful are shown at 3x speed.

Doug Cartel

Boston wrote: »

I met a lad who did KM in the Netherlands, and swore by it. I think it all depends on the instructor.

Don't get me wrong, I've heard of KM places that sound pretty good. They train a solid base of striking and grappling that's very similar to sports styles, but with a survival slant instead of a competition one. Eg if you're on the ground and you get mount, instead of going for a pin or submission, you break free from their grip, get up and run.

With that video, it's not the so much moves he does I have a problem with (there's even some judo moves in there), it's the way they're all done against people who are playing along with him. I know it's a demo and all, but these guys are taking it to a ridiculous extreme.

Baggio...

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Also the video you've posted is pretty bad. Notice how all the moves are pre arranged? Do you think he could do them against someone who wasn't letting him? (I don't)

Second this.... it's done against a highly compliant foe. Would it work at full speed and contact? Personally, I doubt it.

Jason McCabe wrote: »

I was checking out the prices on one of those links to and it was 20 euro a class.

Pretty expensive... Most other classes (regardless of style) are around a tenner or less.

kumate_champ07

that 50% deal seems to be permanent, just a marketing gimmick

Ive read and watched alot of krav maga, alot of it seems to be 'dirty' fighting

Ug Lee

Boston wrote: »

If the course is 20 over 20 or so sessions, that's an OK price. 400 euro is taking the piss.

I don't charge or pay money like that but if you are doing it for a living and people are willing to pay for it then what is the problem? The only way to objectively set a price is to set it at a point where the greatest amount of people pay the greatest amount of money. The profit maximisation equation.

If you do the same for water, heat, etc then this is exploitation but not martial arts/self defence which really is just a passtime/hobby.

cable842

where is there a classes for a tenner

Baggio... wrote: »

Second this.... it's done against a highly compliant foe. Would it work at full speed and contact? Personally, I doubt it.



Pretty expensive... Most other classes (regardless of style) are around a tenner or less.

Boston

Ug Lee wrote: »

I don't charge or pay money like that but if you are doing it for a living and people are willing to pay for it then what is the problem? The only way to objectively set a price is to set it at a point where the greatest amount of people pay the greatest amount of money. The profit maximisation equation.

If you do the same for water, heat, etc then this is exploitation but not martial arts/self defence which really is just a passtime/hobby.

Yes, I get it's a business not a community sports club. However, selling the idea that "you to can be a kava maga master in 5 short weeks" means it's a money making gimmic. I've done maybe 200 Judo sessions, thats 4K by the above pricing plan, to reach my level. I'd have to morgage the house to get a black belt. The fact he's charging 20 euro a session tell me theres a high turn over. A mate of mine when to a somewhat cheeper but still expensive trainer, he was surprised when I started attributing the moves he'd learnt to Judo, BJJ, and Japanesse JuJutsu.

cable842 wrote: »

where is there a classes for a tenner

In Krav Maga? No idea, in other Martial Arts which teach you the same moves? Check out the sticky at the top of the forum.

cable842

I got another email from Krav maga Ireland but offering full days

As previously mentioned you can take our course as either a 12 week course running for 12 weeks one evening a week or you can make a weekend of it, with us teaching you our accelerated defence programme in two full days from 9.30-5.30 both days.

which I admit is very cool but the price is crazy, I would just like a few classes ever saturday and see how I get on.

or I could just do a Oldboy and self teach myself from you tube.

cable842

well I did a lot of karate when i was a teenager and loved it still practice and work out using the moves.

I was try something new something fresh i feel that krav maga has got very popular in the last few years cause of jason bourne.

just would like to try it out see how it goes.

Rosalie Wooden Silencer wrote: »

And what attracts you to Krav Maga?.

Boston

I wouldn't recommend a weekend course. Most of the movement shown in the above clip require a high level of fitness which you would need time to build up.

cable842 wrote: »

well I did a lot of karate when i was a teenager and loved it still practice and work out using the moves.

I was try something new something fresh i feel that krav maga has got very popular in the last few years cause of jason bourne.

just would like to try it out see how it goes.

Thats a movie, as in a work of fiction.

My personal opinion, the silly emails written by KM Ireland do nothing for its professionalism or the way the course is and I can understand why people think it's a scam. If it were up to me, I'd ditch that american direct mail/marketing crap and advertise without exaggerating everything so much and without the spelling mistakes that frequent the emails.

That aside, I did the course and continued training in KM afterwards in Krav Maga Ireland and the course was brilliant and learned absolutely loads from it. As a self defence tool, it's the best thing around in my opinion. Please note, I am strictly speaking about that school, have not tried other schools but I do know that a lot of fake phoney schools have started popping up recently.

If it's any consolation, KM Ireland were and appeared to be doing very well when I trained there, classes constantly full, and while the course may appear expensive, you get what you pay for in terms of individual attention to detail and your technique of the moves.

I've since gone on to Muay Thai training which is a great sport, a phenomenal striking art and the fitness required is much higher - but is it a better self defense tool ? Not a chance. It's a far better sport, and you need to be a strong athlete to do well at it whereas in KM, you can be moderately overweight and be able to protect yourself as well as the next person but like everything in life, the fitter you are, the better you'd tend to be.

To sum it up, KM is a more practical tool to learn, it's very easy to learn, and is extremely effective and is the best self defence tool going in my opinion.

Muay Thai is a much more athletic sport and the technique and fitness required is extremely high to be successful at that sport but it's not more effective than KM for self defence, absolutely no way.

I'll still be going back to KM to do refresher courses and to do advanced techniques etc whereas Muay Thai is going to be my art that I practice frequently and for many more years than I will at KM.

If you want a sport, learn a martial art, if you want self defence, learn KM. Ideally, do both like I did.

One more thing, I think if any of you have such a problem with the price you are paying then don't pay. Simple as that.

If you do decide to pay and you're unhappy with it - I do remember one guy being unhappy and wanting his money back, something to do with not covering how to deal with someone being bottled or how to bottle someone in the first class or something like that.

We are so confident that our Self Defence training can make a lasting change for you that we offer our unique Money Back Guarantee.

Fair deal to me, phrased like an American cheese bag would phrase it "unique money back guarantee" but whatever, take advantage of it and get your money back.

But don't knock it until you try it.

Boston

Just to be clear, I don't think any one said KM Ireland was a scam. I said I felt it was a mimic, but i doubt the chap takes your money and runs. Talking to a mate who did KM down by the liberties in Dublin, he said he paid 10 euro per session but had to pay it all in advance. I think Tallaght01 trained at the same club here

Oh yeah don't worry, I'm not affiliated in any shape or form and I know you didn't say it was a scam. I just know how these threads usually descend into such nonsense because some people (minority) who are doing other martial arts develop a sort of fanboy-ism type behaviour and act as if they are intimidated that people can learn self-defense moves so quickly and hence it must be fake.

Dave Joyce

TheEntrepreneur, I realise you said some of what you wrote was "your opinion" but even so, you make some great generalisations.

As a self defence tool, it's the best thing around in my opinion

Well, there are other systems out there that could CERTAINLY say the same thing.

Muay Thai is a much more athletic sport and the technique and fitness required is extremely high to be successful at that sport but it's not more effective than KM for self defence, absolutely no way.

Muaythai encompasses a lot more than JUST the ring sport. You have Krabi Krabong which is the original battlefield art utilising weaponary, empty hand and grappling. There is also Lerdrit which uses techniques that are illegal in the ring. I would agree that a sport does not necessarily translate in the street BUT as I mention above don't dismiss Muaythai as just a sport.

Dave Joyce

Dave Joyce wrote: »

TheEntrepreneur, I realise you said some of what you wrote was "your opinion" but even so, you make some great generalisations.



Well, there are other systems out there that could CERTAINLY say the same thing.



Muaythai encompasses a lot more than JUST the ring sport. You have Krabi Krabong which is the original battlefield art utilising weaponary, empty hand and grappling. There is also Lerdrit which uses techniques that are illegal in the ring. I would agree that a sport does not necessarily translate in the street BUT as I mention above don't dismiss Muaythai as just a sport.

I'm sure there are other systems out there that are similar and could certainly say the same thing, but not in Ireland and not from what I've seen. So on that point, I think my point is a very valid one. Basically, I think you're on the right track when it comes to any of the Krav varieties whether it be standard krav maga or commando krav maga (Moni Aizik)

I was talking about Thailands national past time, that version of Muay Thai. And compared to that, Krav Maga as a self defence tool is far better. Don't really think it's comparable to Krabi Krabong which uses mainly swords.

Lerdrit seems similar enough alright but don't think that's one for the average joe and I am pretty sure the technique required is much higher than that for Krav. However, point taken on board, Muay Thai and it's origins do make it more than just a sport.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Muay Thai and prefer it to Krav as a sport and hobby but not as a self defence tool.

Baggio...

Deleted User wrote: »

but not in Ireland and not from what I've seen. So on that point, I think my point is a very valid one.

Just how many systems have you seen then? I don't agree that KM is the best in Ireland by any means - But that's just my opinion.