unemployed with a degree

Optimus485

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

wmpdd3

What is your degree in?

Can you get into a company 1 level lower than yo would expect to go in at and work up?

Optimus485

I'm either underqualified if I'm being ambitious or overqualified if I apply for anything entry level. Just can't win.

Master Bates

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

I have zero sympathy if that's your attitude.:rolleyes:

alex73

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

Why don't you do some volunteer work for a year abroad, they will pay most of your living costs. great experience and you would be surprised how it opens doors and sets you up with network of contacts. A job is not going to be landed to you on a plate. Sometimes you need to dumb down your CV to get something.

http://www.irishaid.gov.ie/centre/
http://www.volunteerabroad.com/search.cfm

I worked for 2 years teaching english in slums and it was a very fullfilling experience.

Optimus485

Master Bates wrote: »

I have zero sympathy if that's your attitude.:rolleyes:

Fair enough, Thanks for taking the time to comment

Optimus485

Thanks Alex for your comment.

I have had a look at the links.

gaeilgegrinds1

What would you ideally like to work in? Is there any masters you could do to make your degree more adaptable to work at the moment? Just a thought. I think it's such a waste that when you WANT to work more is not being done to help you. I know a neighbour of mine was in a somewhat similar position, she made an appointment with her local politician, a month later she was working part-time. Just a thought...

hinault

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

Many of us who were around in the 1980's out of school/college had no choice but to emigrate.

Why would you not consider emigration?

r3nm0r3RASCAL

So let me get this straight. You are unemployed to a degree? I'm .com

Happy Monday

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

Go abroad young man!
Surely you know people in Australia or New Zealand.
Trust me - you will find more about yourself spending a year or two abroad than you will lounging around in Ireland.

Nehaxak

Why are people content to push our problems of unemployment on to another country somewhere by telling our best educated people to emigrate ?

I find it sad if that's all we as a country can offer our graduates

DanGlee

Nehaxak wrote: »

Why are people content to push our problems of unemployment on to another country somewhere by telling our best educated people to emigrate ?

I find it sad if that's all we as a country can offer our graduates

Thats an excellent point and the best thing I've read on this thread yet! This country is fecked, I know there are no jobs and its still in a recession, but pushing people out of it is not going to help it!

On a side note to the OP, the only thing you can take out of this is that your not the only person in this position! So its nothing you have done and or doing, its the recession, its the country. It will come out of it and things will get better and we will all look back and laugh at the times we were bumming around the house all day watching Jeremy Kyle in our cruds... then it will happen again in another 10 or 20 years and we'll all be more wiser from going through the recession this time around!
People probably wont agree that we will all laugh at these times and I'll get slated on here, but I can say it, because I'm a statistic of the recession and am out of work for a year now with a Masters degree and 9+ years I.T. experience and not a job in sight!
I have started looking outside of Ireland, but its more out of necessity than want. I have a 9 month of child and I want to provide all I can for him, not stuck on the dole, bumming off the state for all I can get, unfortunately, the jobs are just not there and when they are, your going up against 1000's of other people

I would not agree with randomly upping and leaving the country as that wont help it get out of its recession, but you know what, if your free, single and young, you should go see the world, learn from it, I did it, and I'm better for it, but I'm old now (31!!!) and with child, so I haven't gone into the idea of leaving lightly as I have a lot of baggage!

Ultimately all I can say is, chin up, keep applying for those jobs, network as much as you can, spread your horizons, don't feel guilty for leaving Ireland, you can always come back, pay taxes and give back to the country!

I wish you good luck in your job search (unless you got for the same jobs as me! )

DG

P.S. Sorry about the slight rant, couple of glasses of vino!

poppet84

I agree...all I ever get is "emigrate"!!!Maybe I have set a life up here and it costs alot to get a visa too!!!I was in college for 4 years myself too!

I am applying to everything I see ..including things I am overqualfied for and volunteering too so that's the advice I would give!!!You're not alone.Your degree will still be there when things pick up here!!

cee_jay

Not really a State Benefits issue - moving to Work & Jobs.

Nidot

I would maybe suggest looking outside your degree area.

I'm currently working for a company towards a qualification that is loosely associated with my degree (only got it 1.5 years ago). But my thinking is that when I finish up in here I'll have a degree and qualification and 4 years experience, and hopefully that will help me get into the area I'm more interested in.

gandalf

Optimus485 wrote: »

I'm either underqualified if I'm being ambitious or overqualified if I apply for anything entry level. Just can't win.

Firstly you need to tailor your CV to each job you are applying for. Read the spec carefully and put yourself in the shoes of the people who will be reading your CV and present the experience/qualifications that meet the requirements they have and leave out/dumb down those that don't. Ensure your CV is short, no more than two pages.

In the meantime try and volunteer to do work for a day or so during the week at a charity or somewhere else. (the only time I was unemployed I worked for free in the credit union for one day a week but thats like 20 years ago!!!). At an interview it shows that you have some get up and go and should give you something extra over some of the many others who will be going for the job as well.

The last option is to look abroad. If you have a degree in something that is desired in another country and you don't have children/family commitments here why not go out into the world. I didn't do it when I was younger and I regret it now (especially listening to the friends that did do it and their stories).

Gurgle

Optimus485 wrote: »

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person

So whats your degree in?
This is pretty important for anybody to give useful advice.

Sleepy

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

If you're just out of college with a 4 year degree, you're not over-qualified for anything. You've proved you can complete a degree and, hopefully, learned something along the way.

Any company that takes you on from here is going to find you useless for the first 6 months you work there. That's fine, they expect that of new grads because we're all like that when we're just graduated and green. Target entry level jobs everywhere, don't assume a degree qualifies you to jump a level, it doesn't, it can mean you'll generally pass through the lower levels quicker than someone without one but that's not even a guarantee.

We live in a society where the majority of people have degrees nowadays, they're nothing special any more.

My advice:

1. Consider further education, if you've been unemployed over a year you may be able to get the government to fund a post grad or masters.
2. Apply for entry-level jobs. That's where grads start
3. Ditch the attitude that having a degree makes you valuable, it doesn't these days and that attitude will piss off a propsective employer if they've gotten to where they are on lower levels of formal qualification.
4. Don't be so dismissive of the WWP placements. Yes, it sucks that you can't get paid to cut your teeth any more but the right one of these could turn into a permanent job and even the wrong one will give you something to put on your CV and some real world experience.

mood

I'm also out of work with a degree and years of experience, unfortunately not as young as you! Job hunt further a field. I am. No luck yet but I'm not giving up. There are loads of us in the same boat. Your not alone.

SeaFields

Yep, you are not alone. Plenty of us out there that just missed the boat by a year or two (5 where I work educated up to Masters level). I used to get bothered by it. Still stuck in the part time job that paid for me through 7 years of university but there's very little that can be do. All you can do is what has already been stressed in this thread by other posters.


- Try to stay motivated.
- Keep looking, applying and networking.
- If you are in a position to emigrate for a year or two consider it.
- Broaden your horizons in what your looking at.

And as one poster said hopefully we'll all look back at this some day and laugh...:)

Bob_Harris

I have a first class honours in information technology, and I can't even get a rejection letter, never mind an actual interview. I graduated last summer.

I was thinking I might do a Masters this year but then again what's the point in throwing my savings at that? I doubt it would make much difference, employers want years of experience, not years of education as far as I can see.

amen

do some open source projects, create some apps, etc anythign to get your employeers interested

ToasterSparks

I've been browsing the Australia/NZ forum for some tips on going to Australia in the near future. I'm also one of the degree + masters people that happened to graduate last September at the worst possible time.

The thing is, for somewhere like Australia you can only really go on a Working Holiday Visa (I'm not eligible under the Critical Skills List), and it's very difficult to line up work before you go. In fact, most people just make the jump and hope for the best, and I can't exactly do that (I don't want to use up my savings and end up penniliess and back home). I imagine for other countries I'd be faced with a similar scenario.

So suggesting emigration is fine if you think it's a viable alternative. I'd love to go, but it's not as simple as browsing job sites online and getting a job lined up. Countries will always choose candidates with long-term appeal and will always choose their own people over holidayers. And believe me, I've tried very hard to organise work. You really need to have contacts overseas to make it work. And I don't.

Welease

Sleepy wrote: »

If you're just out of college with a 4 year degree, you're not over-qualified for anything. You've proved you can complete a degree and, hopefully, learned something along the way.

Any company that takes you on from here is going to find you useless for the first 6 months you work there. That's fine, they expect that of new grads because we're all like that when we're just graduated and green. Target entry level jobs everywhere, don't assume a degree qualifies you to jump a level, it doesn't, it can mean you'll generally pass through the lower levels quicker than someone without one but that's not even a guarantee.

We live in a society where the majority of people have degrees nowadays, they're nothing special any more.

My advice:

1. Consider further education, if you've been unemployed over a year you may be able to get the government to fund a post grad or masters.
2. Apply for entry-level jobs. That's where grads start
3. Ditch the attitude that having a degree makes you valuable, it doesn't these days and that attitude will piss off a propsective employer if they've gotten to where they are on lower levels of formal qualification.
4. Don't be so dismissive of the WWP placements. Yes, it sucks that you can't get paid to cut your teeth any more but the right one of these could turn into a permanent job and even the wrong one will give you something to put on your CV and some real world experience.

Absolutely spot on!!...

Half the country has degrees... Ask yourself what have you done in the last 12 months to differentiate yourself from the others.

tmax

I met an Irish guy in France a few years ago and he was very bitter coz he had to emigrate in the 80s. I dont see a problem with emigrating when you're young. Life is what you make it, and the right attitude is most important.

I suggest you go to Australia and get any job, have as much fun as you can, and look to change for the kinda job you really want while there. Or if you're daring you could do a TEFL/ Celta course here (or in Seoul) and then try teaching in Korea (see eslcafe.com). None of this will stand against your future career, just keep +ve, it could be the time of your life :rolleyes:

If you decide to stay here join clubs, comittees, volunteer, keep busy and active.

AARRRGH

A degree doesn't entitle you to anything, so I think you should stop focussing on that issue. Like Sleepy says, you are currently near worthless to an employer.

When times were good, plenty of people straight out of college weren't in a hurry to find a job. They would go to Australia for a year, and then perhaps travel around Asia for a few months. If I were you, I would be doing this.

You could also consider going back to college to do a post-grad. Again, it probably won't improve your job prospects very much, but you'll be glad you did it (I know I am).

Basically I think you need to stop focussing on the job situation and start taking advantage of the fact that (I'm presuming) you're young and have no commitments. You have the rest of your life to have a career.

ToasterSparks

@AARRRGH:

I think suggesting going abroad is a great idea, but a lot of the time it's not as simple as just upping and leaving. Going abroad costs a lot of money - money which a lot of graduates don't have, and money which can take a long time to save up (especially if you are not living at home and scraping by on the dole). So in the short or medium term, emigrating isn't an option for many.

wyrn

I understand how frustrating this is - I was in the same boat over two years ago - just at the beginning. I went back and did a postgrad course for a year in a different area just to broaden my cv and to pass the time applying for jobs. By the time I finished the recession was beginning.

Most of the companies I applied to let huge number of their staff go and some even left/closed. My mates were all in the same boat - some still are.

The huge problem I had was hearing word back from companies - alot of them never sent back rejection letters. I tailored my cv for most applications and in some cases I applied to different areas in the same company. I also applied to the same companies after I did my postgrad course and still no joy.

As for the argument of being overqualified - some places use that as an excuse for not hiring. I don't think the OP meant that they were beneath any job but that was feedback from some applications.

Also there is a huge problem with graduates being underqualified. I noticed alot of "graduate" programs looked for at least 2 years experience. A friend of mine did biochem and had this problem. They even offered to work in hospitals for free to get this experience for hospitals/companies but alas no joy. So they've gone back to do a degree in medical science (I thinK) as it has a placement opportunity in it's 3rd year. IMO every college course should have this.

I thought about going abroad but I couldn't afford to leave. I don't think I would have been able to get a loan for visas, flights etc.. I know from other friends who've gone abroad that it's hard enough to get jobs. it's a huge gamble. Luckily enough something came up for me so I'm ok for the moment and it's something I love.

Hang in there OP. it is frustrating and horrible. Just keep trying. A lecturer suggested to us to read What Color is Your parachute. I'm not normally into that sort of thing but if you have the time what harm can it do.

Good luck!

Jo King

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

It will end when you stop talking about your bloody degree. You are a person who has a qualification, not a qualification attached to a person. Once you have a basic qualification the emphasis shifts to soft skills. How well do you get on with other people? Have you any initiative? Are you adaptable?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Join the club op

didntgotoplan

There is a lot of people in this position at the moment.
I graduated in 2009 and I'm having no luck in jobs as I've no experience in my area. I'm not in the worst position though so I know I'm pretty lucky as I've no debts and I live at home.
Luckily I'm still employed at my part-time job which I had during college but I'm applying for every type of full-time job going. My friends have done all the different suggestions- going abroad (some coming home after finding nothing), doing a postgraduate, doing any work they could find and being unemployed.

I can't go abroad as I don't have money to go and money worries at home with my parents jobs means I want to stay and help out in whatever small financial way I can.

I'm going to do another degree part-time by distance learning so that I'm trying to do something academic-wise and I volunteer in youth clubs and charities during my days off in work so that I don't have nothing to do and I can have experience on my CV.

While I understand the problems people have with WPP (my mother doesn't think highly of them), but if you are desperate to get somewhere with your career it's a head start experience wise I suppose. If I was in the situation, I would look to them to help gain experience.

gollem_1975

Optimus485 wrote: »

Hi Guys,

I'm a degree-qualified young irish young person AND...
I'm fed up because I've been unemployed over a year.

1. It's boring.
2. I put alot of work into my 4 year degree course... I'd like to think all that work was for something.
3. I want to keep my skills in Ireland, after all... the HEA paid for my degree.
(but I won't work for free on these WWP things)

When is the misery going to end?

you're unemployed for over a year and you won't consider a WPP ?

If you had started a WPP 9 months ago don't you think you would be less bored and more employable now ?

mood

gollem_1975 wrote: »

you're unemployed for over a year and you won't consider a WPP ?

If you had started a WPP 9 months ago don't you think you would be less bored and more employable now ?

I think he/she are better off in the part time job than giving it up to do a WPP. If he/she gave up the part time job it could take along time to get another one.

looksee

mood wrote: »

I think he/she are better off in the part time job than giving it up to do a WPP. If he/she gave up the part time job it could take along time to get another one.

Where does it say the OP has a part time job?

OP, you have said the state paid for your education (and is now presumably paying benefit) so you don't want to leave. Leaving would remove you from the dole queue! Also since you have been fully supported, why not put a bit back with a WPP or voluntary job?

Employers are more interested in experience - any sort is better than none - and a positive attitude. I can understand you being fed up, but you are the only person who can do anything about it.

EI111

Optimus485 wrote: »

I'm either underqualified if I'm being ambitious or overqualified if I apply for anything entry level. Just can't win.

How exactly?
Maybe you are making excuses or the companies are using that as an excuse because your attitude seems poor.
You are fortunate enough to be able to eat courtesy of your country, perhaps it would be nice of you to go on a WPP to repay that honour and open some doors, show you are not lazy and are thankful that the country is no longer a third world country due to the work of those who built it up from a third world famine ridden hell hole?

EI111

I am sure if the HEA hadn't paid for your degree and you had a mountain of debt you would be employed, there are hundreds of jobs available in this country every day

mikemac

The OP started this thread six months ago hasn't contributed since
I hope it's because they are busy in work

We need to get the OP back here for an update

irishcarbomb2k

why are people focused on jobs. there is another option.apart from leaving and gives you the best experience you can get: start your own business. you clearly have the tech skills, now find a niche in the market. your industry is worldwide. someone else here suggested building apps. relatively low cost to produce but make a successful one and you could be netting 700 a day! we need to get ourselves out of this mess so being blinkered to only jobs and emmigration is not the whole answer, there is always a third. chin up, things will happen if you are open to all possibilities.

mood

looksee wrote: »

Where does it say the OP has a part time job?

OP, you have said the state paid for your education (and is now presumably paying benefit) so you don't want to leave. Leaving would remove you from the dole queue! Also since you have been fully supported, why not put a bit back with a WPP or voluntary job?

Employers are more interested in experience - any sort is better than none - and a positive attitude. I can understand you being fed up, but you are the only person who can do anything about it.

I was referring to didntgotoplan not the OP. Someone said he/she should do a WPP but that would mean giving up a part time job which would be crazy IMO.

NickDrake

EI111 wrote: »

I am sure if the HEA hadn't paid for your degree and you had a mountain of debt you would be employed, there are hundreds of jobs available in this country every day

What a crazy statement. If there are hundreds of jobs why are there so many people on the dole???

Hundreds are loosing their job everyday is what you should be saying.

I bet you have some cushy number somewhere and cannot understand what is going on in the unemployment situation

mood

EI111 wrote: »

I am sure if the HEA hadn't paid for your degree and you had a mountain of debt you would be employed, there are hundreds of jobs available in this country every day

If that were true why are there nearly half a million people unemployed? Do you really think people would rather have their home repossessed, ESB cut off etc if they could get a job? For every job available there could be 1,000 applications. There are simply not enough jobs to go around.

Like someone else said you must have a very cushy job (public sector I bet) and I really think you are living life with blinkers on.

looksee

NickDrake wrote: »

What a crazy statement. If there are hundreds of jobs why are there so many people on the dole???

Hundreds are loosing their job everyday is what you should be saying.

I bet you have some cushy number somewhere and cannot understand what is going on in the unemployment situation

If that were true why are there nearly half a million people unemployed? Do you really think people would rather have their home repossessed, ESB cut off etc if they could get a job? For every job available there could be 1,000 applications. There are simply not enough jobs to go around.

Like someone else said you must have a very cushy job (public sector I bet) and I really think you are living life with blinkers on.

Guys, this was sarcasm. Its a very sensitive area of discussion for people who are out of work, but E111 was pointing out that the OP's arguments about his degree and who paid for it are irrelevant when there are no jobs.

mood

Sarcasm is unhelpful and off topic. Is this not against the Boards.ie rules!

royston_vasey

mood wrote: »

If that were true why are there nearly half a million people unemployed? Do you really think people would rather have their home repossessed, ESB cut off etc if they could get a job? For every job available there could be 1,000 applications. There are simply not enough jobs to go around.

Like someone else said you must have a very cushy job (public sector I bet) and I really think you are living life with blinkers on.

If you go to irishjobs.ie and do a search without entering any criteria you will find they have 10,000+ jobs listed - are they making these up? Therefore the ratio of applicants to jobs is about 48:1 (ignoring of course any skills sets, experience etc.)

Also you don't have to be unemployed to be facing a rising mountain of debt; I can't quote any official figures but I'm sure there are a substantial number of employed people seeking financial help.

I also think your attack on the public sector is a little unwarranted, there are cushy jobs in all walks of life both private and public especially where the unions have taken advantage over the last ten years.

A degree does not guarantee immediate access to a job and never has. It's about time that graduates realise they have to start acting like adults and seek out opportunities for themselves. We have seen numerous reports from MNCs such as Intel and Google who slate graduates for their lack of soft skills and their inability to apply theory to real world situations.

The argument regarding the catch-22 situation should also be self-evident - if you need experience to secure a position then offer to work for substanially less than the position offers to get the experience and prove to the employer that you have the capabilities for the job. It amazes me the number of graduates who expect to walk into jobs paying 30-40k/annum just because they have three letters beside their names. I know I sound like Bill Cullen here but when I started to work in the 80s I was earning less than my mates on the dole but once I had built up my experience and proved my worth I was soon earning well in excess of them.

mood

royston_vasey wrote: »

If you go to irishjobs.ie and do a search without entering any criteria you will find they have 10,000+ jobs listed - are they making these up? Therefore the ratio of applicants to jobs is about 48:1 (ignoring of course any skills sets, experience etc.)

Also you don't have to be unemployed to be facing a rising mountain of debt; I can't quote any official figures but I'm sure there are a substantial number of employed people seeking financial help.

I also think your attack on the public sector is a little unwarranted, there are cushy jobs in all walks of life both private and public especially where the unions have taken advantage over the last ten years.

A degree does not guarantee immediate access to a job and never has. It's about time that graduates realise they have to start acting like adults and seek out opportunities for themselves. We have seen numerous reports from MNCs such as Intel and Google who slate graduates for their lack of soft skills and their inability to apply theory to real world situations.

The argument regarding the catch-22 situation should also be self-evident - if you need experience to secure a position then offer to work for substanially less than the position offers to get the experience and prove to the employer that you have the capabilities for the job. It amazes me the number of graduates who expect to walk into jobs paying 30-40k/annum just because they have three letters beside their names. I know I sound like Bill Cullen here but when I started to work in the 80s I was earning less than my mates on the dole but once I had built up my experience and proved my worth I was soon earning well in excess of them.

I currently have a job but when I didn't I used all the job sites etc. On Irish jobs for example I was lucky if I found 5-10 job on the site per week I had any qualifications, skills or experience for so it is not realistic to suggest anyone can apply for the 10,000 jobs and expect to get one. What is the point in my applying for a job as an accountant or hairdresser if I can do either job???

The simple fact is there are not enough job to go around at the moment and to not see this is stupid.

By the way I'm not a graduate. I have nearly 10 years experience in my field and am currently working for peanuts at the moment just to have a job and not be on the dole.

An when I was job hunting companies and interviewers told me that 150 - 400 people had applied for the position in question.

I think you need to get off your high horse.

royston_vasey

I think you have a bit of an attitude there - I'm the second person you are having a pop at for having the audacity to hold a view contrary to yours.

The fact that you are working for peanuts (your description not mine and a subjective term) is not my fault and I'm on no high horse. I also stated that I was making simple assumptions in relation to the ratio I used and pointed out that certain relevant criteria were being ignored.

mood

royston_vasey wrote: »

I think you have a bit of an attitude there - I'm the second person you are having a pop at for having the audacity to hold a view contrary to yours.

The fact that you are working for peanuts (your description not mine and a subjective term) is not my fault and I'm on no high horse. I also stated that I was making simple assumptions in relation to the ratio I used and pointed out that certain relevant criteria were being ignored.

My point was people are not unemployed because they won't work for under a certain salary or in a less prestigious job. It is because there are not enough job.

EI111

I said there are hundreds of jobs and there are. It's a fact. Every restaurant in the country will probably need a kitchen porter at some stage over the next two months, it's a high staff turnover because it's not the most enjoyable job but it's work. There are a lot of jobs advertised on websites, sure many of them one will not be qualified for, but the ones that they may be able to do will be theirs if they have the right hunger and desire to work. I have a job, yes, I have been unemployed and of the opinion that there was no work, but there was, I just had a defeatist attitude.

I know it's a touchy subject for many and I am sensitive to that, but someone leaving college with presumably no mortgage and no family to keep can get a job that will make them self sufficient and that is just a fact, even if it means relocation or taking a job you think you're too good to do. I am a million miles overqualified for my job but it pays my bills.

EI111

I'd also like to point out that I realise how difficult job searches are. It's like a full-time job in itself and can be emotionally very taxing with rejection after rejection, but if one keeps the chin up and the belief they will find a job even if it's not very exciting. Then when it comes to interviewing for a job you really want showing that you were willing to work a so called menial job will stand to you. At the end of the day there is more to working than your education.

gollem_1975

mood wrote: »

I was referring to didntgotoplan not the OP. Someone said he/she should do a WPP but that would mean giving up a part time job which would be crazy IMO.

I quoted the OP's post in my post - puzzles me what made you think I was referring to another post..