Clare GAA discussion thread

windy shepard henderson

HanaleiJ5N wrote: »

Poor enough game I felt, with respect the goal should never have been allowed, an outrageous number of steps taken. Given how early it came though it can't be argued it had a decisive impact on the game, we had 70 minutes to recover from it. And we might have, had Nash not received a silly second yellow. Both his yellows were more so careless than malicious. Strictly speaking, we can have no complaints, but I wish he had received a stern talking to by the ref instead of a second yellow.

Going down to 14 men sealed the deal, we never looked like overhauling it from there on. We battled away but you always had that cushion and added to it when necessary, and you turned it on for a brief spell very early in the second half, put the gap out to 6 or 7 points, which basically ensured the game was safe unless we could get a goal or two, which we never looked like doing.

I liked McInerney, played well, was a right handful, surged forward on a few occasions, but the concern was the high wide count. It pretty much cost you the Cork game last July and it still hasn't gone away, this really should have been much more comfortable for Clare, you kept us at arms length but you never killed us off, sometimes that will backfire, you were reasonably safe today as we were down the man and posed no goal threat.

Still though, you got the all important win, I hate to say it was fully deserved too Congrats

i beleive the goal was allowed to stand because of an initial foul on john conlon , the ref put up his hand to wave advantage in which conlon took atleast another 6 steps , however the more confusing aspect which the tv cameras didnt pick up was , while allowing advantage the ref blew the whistle half the limerick players stopped , from what i could gather this is what they were protesting at the time , the fact of the matter is if there was advantage it should have been brought back to the spot of the foul ,

in regards division 1B , i really do feel sorry for ye , its long over due that the system is changed , i would love to see a system similar to the football league with 7 games each before any play off games take place and 4 divisions of 8 teams

with the greatest of respect to the other teams in 1B , ye are now back in the same position again tonight looking ahead to next years league , 4 easy wins with one make or break tie against cork or galway, one or two seasons down here is fine to blood new players but 6 is too long , there is nothing to be gained by beating teams by 10, 15 or 20+ points

as far as the game its self , the first half was a descent game , but the standard dropped considerably in the second half , not sure what tactic's limerick were trying to imply it seems tj arrived with a plan A and nothing else , but saying that management cant be blamed for the amount of poor wides poor discipline and errors made on the field it is something we ourselves no all too much about

LuckyGent88

dastardly00 wrote: »

I thought O'Donnell was mostly a passenger to be honest. I'm not sure, but I don't think he even had possession of the ball once in the first half.

As far as a I can remember, he got fouled once in the 2nd half that resulted in a point from the free, and I think he assisted another point during play. I though he was very poor. He can feel fortunate that he was kept on when others around him were being subbed off.

Iv been critical of him a lot recently due to his lack of scores but I thought he did very well today especially in the second half.

He is been asked to do many jobs and would agree with you that he didn't do much in first half but I can remember on 2 occasions him tracking back and regaining possession which then led to us getting a score.

He never got low ball into him which would be ideal more than high long balls down on top of him and along with that he is usually double marked.

Even in the second half with them down to 14 he was still double marked. And once he gets the ball he is generally fouled.

Hopefully going into the summer and the better pitches he will cause lots of damage. As long as he is used correctly of course.

windy shepard henderson

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Iv been critical of him a lot recently due to his lack of scores but I thought he did very well today especially in the second half.

He is been asked to do many jobs and would agree with you that he didn't do much in first half but I can remember on 2 occasions him tracking back and regaining possession which then led to us getting a score.

He never got low ball into him which would be ideal more than high long balls down on top of him and along with that he is usually double marked.

Even in the second half with them down to 14 he was still double marked. And once he gets the ball he is generally fouled.

Hopefully going into the summer and the better pitches he will cause lots of damage. As long as he is used correctly of course.

i taught he worked hard too , like yourself i also taught he should be dropped , he only scored a hand full of points so far in the league but for the role he was asked to play today he covered himself well , taught he should have been substituted for honan late on not because of anything he did wrong but as a height option in the full forward line , for some reason clonlara persist with playing honan on the 40 as well a positioned i feel he is wasted at

every time shane touches the ball he will nearly always have two men marking him , so to contribute to the score board as much as he did ( think he was key to 4 points ) between frees and set up play i would be happy for now

bigger problem would be galvin's wide tally , i would hate to speculate how many of the 18 wide's he contributed to today

999/112

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i taught he worked hard too , like yourself i also taught he should be dropped , he only scored a hand full of points so far in the league but for the role he was asked to play today he covered himself well , taught he should have been substituted for honan late on not because of anything he did wrong but as a height option in the full forward line , for some reason clonlara persist with playing honan on the 40 as well a positioned i feel he is wasted at

every time shane touches the ball he will nearly always have two men marking him , so to contribute to the score board as much as he did ( think he was key to 4 points ) between frees and set up play i would be happy for now

bigger problem would be galvin's wide tally , i would hate to speculate how many of the 18 wide's he contributed to today

Shane is a "summer" hurler. Lively ground and a faster pace to the game is what he needs.
As windy says, he is almost always double marked, but he can draw the frees.

buck65

That was brutal yesterday, 2 teams that are in serious need of a kick up the backside. Shooting was abysmal. Clare backs were good but by god we are limited up front apart from McGrath.

LuckyGent88

Playing Tipp in ennis. Should be a huge test of where we really are.

Nearly prefer to play thurlas as we will be playing Waterford there in the championship

letowski

Funny enough actually thinking about it there, maybe it might have been a better idea to not play John Conlon in the square and not go direct. Waterfords manager McGrath would have noted that I'm sure and will be prepared for it.

Ah, we needed a win yesterday anyway :-)

keeponhurling

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Playing Tipp in ennis. Should be a huge test of where we really are.

Nearly prefer to play thurlas as we will be playing Waterford there in the championship

We'll probably play the league final in Thurles anyways.
No rush.

Clareman

It's great for the town that it's on in Ennis, something has to pay for the renovations

crazyguy01

Anthony Daly wasn't impressed with the "new" stand!! I was in quite early and thought it was comfy enough compared to what was there before for up to three hours... Any thoughts on this from anyone else...?
For some reason can't quote his interview link...

windy shepard henderson

crazyguy01 wrote: »

Anthony Daly wasn't impressed with the "new" stand!! I was in quite early and thought it was comfy enough compared to what was there before for up to three hours... Any thoughts on this from anyone else...?
For some reason can't quote his interview link...

to be fair they should have filled in both corners of the stand while they were renovating it , there is simply not enough seating available in the park, definitely not ideal for family's with small kids or older people needing a place to sit down , yesterday the stand was full before 20 past 1 , some people would be only leaving home at that time , fantastic atmosphere for a small venue but nowhere near the amount of seats required

crazyguy01

windy shepard henderson wrote:

to be fair they should have filled in both corners of the stand while they were renovating it , there is simply not enough seating available in the park, definitely not ideal for family's with small kids or older people needing a place to sit down , yesterday the stand was full before 20 past 1 , some people would be only leaving home at that time , fantastic atmosphere for a small venue but nowhere near the amount of seats required

Agree totally, I got in with very little seating left and was at the end of a row at the "town" end of the stand. Looking at all the empty space and I was thinking a lot of stadiums would begin a renovation to fill those gaps but they are our end product for I suppose the next 20 years at least?

windy shepard henderson

tipperary at home will be a great test , both teams along way off where they would like to be and with the prize of kilkenny waiting in the semi final stakes will be extremely high

thurles is a great venue though , personally i would have preferred the game down there , the harder the circumstances the better in my opinion especially with players coming back from injury and more importantly with the waterford games now on the horizon we need a few really tough games now to get us ready in time , i think both teams will want to win this one for the sake of progression more then anything else

crazyguy01

Any idea who is due back from injury for it. I know Ryan will be back from honeymoon but on Clare FM Davy did say "we'll have a couple back, you'll see in 2 weeks"...... Cards close to chest.

windy shepard henderson

crazyguy01 wrote: »

Any idea who is due back from injury for it. I know Ryan will be back from honeymoon but on Clare FM Davy did say "we'll have a couple back, you'll see in 2 weeks"...... Cards close to chest.

podge will be available again , tony kelly is expected back aswell although i would imagine he would be coming off the bench , podge will probably get a run out with the footballers at the weekend at some stage so he will be fully fit to start in my opinion and play the full game in two weeks time , colin ryan will be back from honeymoon so he will also be available , jack browne could be available for selection too so it will provide serious selection headaches for the management , but that's exactly what we would have hoped for so soon to the start of the championship

crazyguy01

windy shepard henderson wrote:

podge will be available again , tony kelly is expected back aswell although i would imagine he would be coming off the bench , podge will probably get a run out with the footballers at the weekend at some stage so he will be fully fit to start in my opinion and play the full game in two weeks time , colin ryan will be back from honeymoon so he will also be available , jack browne could be available for selection too so it will provide serious selection headaches for the management , but that's exactly what we would have hoped for so soon to the start of the championship

Looking at yesterday, the backs OK in my opinion, but to see Podge, Ryan and the possibility of Kelly (even for a while as a sub) all back is exactly what was missing. Those headaches would be no harm... Can't be risking that many wides any more to have any success.

windy shepard henderson

crazyguy01 wrote: »

Looking at yesterday, the backs OK in my opinion, but to see Podge, Ryan and the possibility of Kelly (even for a while as a sub) all back is exactly what was missing. Those headaches would be no harm... Can't be risking that many wides any more to have any success.

not one for pointing blame but i think galvin and bobby contributed to 10 of clare's wides tally of 18 , if that is the case i would be fairly optimistic of rectifying the problem , i think galvin was encouraged to shoot from distance , while bobby was handed a number of difficult frees under pressure , but at the back i would say a few are now starting to give a look over the shoulder for there position , i would slightly worry about conor ryan and surprisingly patrick o'connor neither have had there best campaigns , conor cleary and browne back will put pressure on one of those positions as the season goes on , senda morey is still a long way off after a hip operation

Clareman

I number of the frees that Bobby missed were very score-able, the 65 from in front of the posts in the first half was particularly disappointing, he would have had a very low return rate on his frees, I would also say that the pressure on Sunday was a fraction of what would be expected in a Championship match, having our backup freetaker to have "pressure" issues is a worry, then again I would imagine that Tony Kelly would be ahead of Bobby in the free taking stakes.

I think the Tipp game would be a couple of weeks too soon to have Kelly back, no point in risking him for what is really a nothing game.

crazyguy01

Clareman wrote:

I number of the frees that Bobby missed were very score-able, the 65 from in front of the posts in the first half was particularly disappointing, he would have had a very low return rate on his frees, I would also say that the pressure on Sunday was a fraction of what would be expected in a Championship match, having our backup freetaker to have "pressure" issues is a worry, then again I would imagine that Tony Kelly would be ahead of Bobby in the free taking stakes.

It came to the stage that by a certain point in the game I almost wasn't surprised when a free went wide! Certainly Kelly would be ahead of him but no point in bringing anybody back too soon, SOD seemed to have a bit of a limp walking off, anyone hear anything about that?

Clareman

crazyguy01 wrote: »

It came to the stage that by a certain point in the game I almost wasn't surprised when a free went wide! Certainly Kelly would be ahead of him but no point in bringing anybody back too soon, SOD seemed to have a bit of a limp walking off, anyone hear anything about that?

Free taking is a skill, being able to stand up when you have 8,847 sets of eyes looking at you is a daunting ask of anyone. To have a free taker you can rely on is a massive bonus to any team.

Akrasia

Clareman wrote: »

Free taking is a skill, being able to stand up when you have 8,847 sets of eyes looking at you is a daunting ask of anyone. To have a free taker you can rely on is a massive bonus to any team.

What's Sean McMahon doing these days, can he be coaxed out of retirement?

Clareman

Akrasia wrote: »

What's Sean McMahon doing these days, can he be coaxed out of retirement?

Seanie from long distance, Jamesie from closer in, Davy from penalties, we don't realise how good we had it.

Oh wait, we do

buck65

Just on the stand and the ground in general. It does look like the old stand got a lick of paint from a distance. The rear of the stand is better insofar as there is more room for walking. Can't believe there was €2 million spent here though - looks more like a €500k job. The rest of the stadium is the same i.e a kip. Cusack Park should have been redeveloped to seat aprox 8,000 with terraces bringing the capacity to 11 or 12k.
This would be enough for 90% of the games played there.

Clareman

buck65 wrote: »

Just on the stand and the ground in general. It does look like the old stand got a lick of paint from a distance. The rear of the stand is better insofar as there is more room for walking. Can't believe there was €2 million spent here though - looks more like a €500k job. The rest of the stadium is the same i.e a kip. Cusack Park should have been redeveloped to seat aprox 8,000 with terraces bringing the capacity to 11 or 12k.
This would be enough for 90% of the games played there.

If anyone believes that 2 million was spent on that I'd get them committed.

Green_Tae

I counted three aggressive fouls in quick succession in the run up to the penalty. The referee signaled play on and a very good goal was taken so technically, no extra steps were used; that's the way the advantage rule is supposed to work. Well done referee!

I thought Clare were very good for parts; more attention to detail given than Limerick, e.g. the policy of rotating John Conlon between full-forward and the forty was very successful, freeing up O'Donnell from that target-man role that can stifle him.

Collins and Honan looked a little rusty coming in and the Banner really should have converted more of those chances but all in all - deserved promotion and they can certainly push for that league title.

Clareman

Green Tae wrote: »

I counted three aggressive fouls in quick succession in the run up to the penalty. The referee signaled play on and a very good goal was taken so technically, no extra steps were used; that's the way the advantage rule is supposed to work. Well done referee!

1 foul doesn't cancel out another foul though, once Conlon fouled the ball it should have been taken back for a free in (assuming the first free was against him)

Green_Tae

He didn't take any excessive number of steps because once advantage is awarded the player is entitled to a further four steps. Prior to the first aggressive foul against him Conlon had not made any technical error, he was going for goal - he got fouled, once, then a second time and finally a third time before he stuck the ball past the keeper.

Good goal by the way!

Clareman

Green Tae wrote: »

He didn't take any excessive number of steps because once advantage is awarded the player is entitled to a further four steps. Prior to the first aggressive foul against him Conlon had not made any technical error, he was going for goal - he got fouled, once, then a second time and finally a third time before he stuck the ball past the keeper.

Good goal by the way!

Sorry but I'm not aware of that rule

http://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/rules-regulations/

Advantage Rule is defined as:
“When a foul is committed the referee may allow the play to continue if he considers it to be to the advantage of the offended team. He shall signal that advantage by raising an arm upright. If he deems no advantage to have occurred, he may subsequently award a free for that foul from where it occurred*. The referee shall allow the advantage to run by maintaining his arm in the upright position for up to five seconds after the initial foul or for less time if it becomes clear that no advantage has accrued. He shall apply any relevant disciplinary action.”

I would have said that there wouldn't be any advantage if the player had to foul the ball to continue

Mexcanelo

Well done to Clare on their win over Limerick at the weekend. It's important for them to be playing in top flight. They are a young team who are capable of producing allot better than they have in the last few years.

Green_Tae

Clareman wrote: »

Sorry but I'm not aware of that rule

http://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/rules-regulations/



I would have said that there wouldn't be any advantage if the player had to foul the ball to continue

I don't believe he had to though.

I counted three clear fouls on Conlon so that five second advantage would have kicked in after the third foul when the forward was almost one-on-one with the keeper.

You can't claim that a player is fouling the ball if he's already being held by a defender - that's an aggressive foul.