Anyone get the 10/20 day sales figures for new cars?

Big Nasty

Interested to see what, if any, difference the scrappage scheme has made.

R.O.R

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Interested to see what, if any, difference the scrappage scheme has made.

Got the 10 day figures, but they are more or less meaningless due to the snow - not many people braved collecting brand new cars in that weather.

I'll see if I can get the 20 day figures. There was some info on the end of a recent thread though.

Jip

I'm surprised to see Ford ahead by a good but I'm guessing that includes fleet cars ? I've only seen one new Ford on the road and that was a fleet vehicle.

skippy2

Hi guys

You can gert them all here makes interesting reading depending on what you are looking for

Motorcheck

GERMAN ROCKS

renault must be delighted with themselves. whats are there most popular sellers- megane/laguna?

Big Nasty

R.O.R wrote: »

Got the 10 day figures, but they are more or less meaningless due to the snow - not many people braved collecting brand new cars in that weather.

I'll see if I can get the 20 day figures. There was some info on the end of a recent thread though.

It will be interesting to compare the 10 and 20 day figures!

jamiecall

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

renault must be delighted with themselves. whats are there most popular sellers- megane/laguna?

Renault might as well have committed suicide. Why in gods name would you de value your product like that! Unfortunately now a Renault driver will always be a Renault driver due to the value of their car being practically worthless

Shane732

We're still 3,000 down on last year for the month of January according to Motorcheck.ie - About a drop of 20%, mind you we do have a few days left in Jan 10.

Interesting stuff seeing as some people are being to consider the country being out of recession.

The interesting thing to see will be how the sales drop in Feb, Mar, Apr. Last year we didn't have new sales above 5,000 from May onwards.

RedorDead

Shane732 wrote: »

We're still 3,000 down on last year for the month of January according to Motorcheck.ie - About a drop of 20%, mind you we do have a few days left in Jan 10.

Interesting stuff seeing as some people are being to consider the country being out of recession.

The interesting thing to see will be how the sales drop in Feb, Mar, Apr. Last year we didn't have new sales above 5,000 from May onwards.

Down 434 according to my figures which is 3.3% - it will probably end just down and I think Feb and Mar will show a good leap forward.

Shane732

Hmmm mine must be outdated so. Based on those figures we'll probably end January about even all right.

I don't know if I share your confidence regarding the leap forward in Feb and Mar. I'd imagine we'll be ahead but not by much.

Leonard Hofstadter

Up to 12,448 now on Motorcheck, if there are lots of factory orders coming in over the next month or 2 which is what we're being told by one or 2 posters then we heading for 80,000 units this year, way down on what we're used to but a big improvement on last year's performance. To be honest 80,000-90,000 sales is a lot more sustainable than the crazy numbers we have gotten used to over the past few years.

I wonder how long it will be before the prices of new cars start rising because cars here are almost as cheap as mainland Europe but of course we have VRT to contend with and sterling is rising making it less attractive to buy in the North/UK?

R.O.R

MCMLXXV wrote: »

It will be interesting to compare the 10 and 20 day figures!

Here you go

Big Nasty

R.O.R wrote: »

Here you go

Cheers dude!

Some interesting figures there:
Volvo + 16
Seat +76
Renault + 452 (Scrappage)

But the more surprising ones are:
BMW + 119
Merc + 179

Henry Ford III

So the market continues to shrink, despite scrappage.

Jip

Could be down to supply, there's probably alot of people who've put down deposits over the last few weeks waiting for their cars to be delivered from the factory. I doubt we'll have the situation again where the docks are full of cars just waiting for someone to buy them. Even garages with big yards used to be full of cars just sitting there waiting, such as Joe Duffy Motors.

dizzydiesel

captainspeed wrote: »

I wonder how long it will be before the prices of new cars start rising because cars here are almost as cheap as mainland Europe but of course we have VRT to contend with and sterling is rising making it less attractive to buy in the North/UK?

This is what I'm afraid of - when to buy? Seems like a great time to buy new now - but without a scrappage scheme next year and high demand in 2010 - undoubtedly prices will increase again.

Does anyone know if govt scrappage will be extended into 2011?
(seems a bit unfair on owners of 9 year old cars this year can't qualify this year)

Leonard Hofstadter

Jip wrote: »

Could be down to supply, there's probably alot of people who've put down deposits over the last few weeks waiting for their cars to be delivered from the factory. I doubt we'll have the situation again where the docks are full of cars just waiting for someone to buy them. Even garages with big yards used to be full of cars just sitting there waiting, such as Joe Duffy Motors.

I've noticed the opposite, garages I've seen have far more empty space now than I can remember seeing in months!

BMW are probably up because they knocked 7 grand off the 520d and because there is now a 316 again:rolleyes:, they also had a really bad year last year so the only way was up I suppose, Merc are way up because of the new E-class, great to see Jaguar up now that they are making some really great cars again, Renaults "scrappage" offer has clearly gone down a storm, funny how Hyundai are almost the same as last year, thankfully Irish people have more sense than our European neighbours when it comes to scrappage(in that in the UK their sales tripled, thankfully that has not happened here), Audi way down and Opel massively down too, can't understand why Opel are performing so badly, Toyota slightly down which is always good news:).

dizzydiesel

captainspeed wrote: »

I've noticed the opposite, garages I've seen have far more empty space now than I can remember seeing in months!

Surely dealers will be reluctant to fill empty space with unsold inventory?
I'm sure this was the cause of a lot of dealers closing last year.

If demand is greater than supply, garages will do well. If supply is greater - then we all know what happens. Stock management is key.

Jip

captainspeed wrote: »

I've noticed the opposite, garages I've seen have far more empty space now than I can remember seeing in months!

That's the point I'm making, they're basically ordering the car as a sale is made, rather than keeping a stock of new cars.

Leonard Hofstadter

Jip wrote: »

That's the point I'm making, they're basically ordering the car as a sale is made, rather than keeping a stock of new cars.

Sorry, I misread what was said, I argued about something I was actually in agreement on ! It's for the best that they are only ordering when they actually have an order coming in, that way they won't be trying to flog old stock like Toyota are doing at the moment and we can get new cars sooner as well.

GERMAN ROCKS

very surprised with citroen too. although i suppose they are all out dated except for the c5 now

Cookie_Monster

Looking at those sales figures makes me wonder why these manufacturers even bother over here:

Alfa Romeo
Daihatsu
Saab
Dodge
Chrysler Jeep
Jeep
Other
Cadillac
Isuzu
MG/Rover
Porsche


Surely they are all making a substantial loss on those numbers (or lack of)

Scruff

Jip wrote: »

That's the point I'm making, they're basically ordering the car as a sale is made, rather than keeping a stock of new cars.

Thats been my experience looking for a new car. A lot of dealers have now cleared last years stock and cars are now being ordered when a sale is made. Its making for some long wait times....
Also noticed that some dealers are reducing scrappage incentives that they offer on top of the gov scheme.

Drummerboy08

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

very surprised with citroen too. although i suppose they are all out dated except for the c5 now

The problem there is that Gallic Distributors are having the franchise taken off them by Citroen France. There's a delay on signing over the contract so neither Gallic or Citroen France can sell a car at the moment unless its already in a dealer's stock. There stock in NVD's yards arent moving anywhere at the moment.

kyote00

are these figures "Orders placed" in Jan (20days) or "car delivered" to customers ?

If it is the second, then the figure really reflect buying sentiment 8-10 weeks ago

R.O.R

kyote00 wrote: »

are these figures "Orders placed" in Jan (20days) or "car delivered" to customers ?

If it is the second, then the figure really reflect buying sentiment 8-10 weeks ago

Vehicles registered. Should more or less accurateley reflect cars delivered. Once a car is regged, it's usually delivered in a day or 2.

Some will be dealer demo models, but there probably aren't that many of them.

dizzydiesel

R.O.R wrote: »

Vehicles registered. Should more or less accurateley reflect cars delivered. Once a car is regged, it's usually delivered in a day or 2.

Some will be dealer demo models, but there probably aren't that many of them.

Also, anything ordered (factory orders) in Jan won't be delivered until March since dealers are quoting 8 week delivery times. It will be interesting to see how the numbers look in Feb/March/April.

R.O.R

February 10 day figures. 9.5% up on same period last year so it looks like scrappage is doing the job as far as sales go. Wonder if revenue is up from last year though.

Cionád

R.O.R wrote: »

February 10 day figures. 9.5% up on same period last year so it looks like scrappage is doing the job as far as sales go. Wonder if revenue is up from last year though.

Definitely, and Feb figures are up 38.61% on Feb last year... probably cause the country is not frozen

Leonard Hofstadter

Renault is the clear winner this year, to have sold 1016 extra cars already over the same period last year is some achievement on their behalf.

Ironically this success is coming at Nissan's expense.

WFT is up with Alfa? They have the Mito which I would have thought would be a success for them. Ford and Toyota have recorded fewer sales than last year which is interesting especially as Ford in particular were lobbying hard for a scrappage scheme last year.

It is clear that the recall for Toyota has had NO effect whatsoever on the Irish public because Toyota leads February sales with 781 sold already this month, the only consolation is that in the first 10 days of February last year they had 27.83% of the new car market whereas the first 10 days of February this year they are down to 19.10% :rolleyes::eek:l.

dizzydiesel

captainspeed wrote: »

It is clear that the recall for Toyota has had NO effect whatsoever on the Irish public because Toyota leads February sales with 781 sold already this month, the only consolation is that in the first 10 days of February last year they had 27.83% of the new car market whereas the first 10 days of February this year they are down to 19.10% :rolleyes::eek:l.

The impact of the recall is yet to be realized. Those cars registered this month would have been pre-ordered before the re-call issues came to light.

It will be interesting to see what impact the re-call has on orders placed from last week onwards. Given that there is probably 4-8 week delivery time - probably won't notice any impact to the figures until April....(unless people cancel their orders of course)

Stevie Dakota

Way to early to judge the damage of all this, but I doubt sales will suffer. Toyota drivers are if advancing years so they probably won't remember any of this in a few days time.

R.O.R

20 day figures attached.

Over 12% up on this time last year - good news for all involved in the Irish Motor Industry, and looking where the big increases are - it's obvious the scrappage is having an effect (ya boo to all you naysayers )

Jip

Wow, while Toyota, VW and Ford(by only 11) are still ahead of Renault, the volume change for the 20 days and YTD is massive.

A Cadillac or Isuzu still has to be sold.

R.O.R

Jip wrote: »

Wow, while Toyota, VW and Ford(by only 11) are still ahead of Renault, the volume change for the 20 days and YTD is massive.

A Cadillac or Isuzu still has to be sold.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Isuzu sell any passenger cars in Ireland. Seperate figures for commercials.

Have Cadillac ever sold a new vehicle in Ireland?

Stevie Dakota

Renault Sandyford must be kicking themselves!

Jip

R.O.R wrote: »

I could be wrong, but I don't think Isuzu sell any passenger cars in Ireland. Seperate figures for commercials.

Have Cadillac ever sold a new vehicle in Ireland?

Ah, I see, the only thing I thought of was the Trooper etc. And with Cadillac, I mixed that up with Chrysler, I obviously can't eat lunch and type posts with putting any thought into them at the same time.

Big Nasty

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Renault Sandyford must be kicking themselves!

Was only thinking that myself the other day!

Big Nasty

R.O.R wrote: »

I could be wrong, but I don't think Isuzu sell any passenger cars in Ireland. Seperate figures for commercials.

Have Cadillac ever sold a new vehicle in Ireland?

There was a dealer down the country some where, Limerick maybe, that had a few OHM franchises to include Cadillac. Doubt they still have that franchise now!

Jip

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Was only thinking that myself the other day!

What's the story with them, did they just hand back the franchise or is there more to it ? Google tells me nothing except they're still operating as a Renault Dealer.

bladespin

Are these figures from actual sales or just registrations? Hearing conflicting reports on slaes comparisons between this year and last.

Big Nasty

bladespin wrote: »

Are these figures from actual sales or just registrations? Hearing conflicting reports on slaes comparisons between this year and last.

New car sales only!

R.O.R

Figures to the end of February attached (30 day figures in Feb - you go SIMI!). Sorted by units year to date.

February was up over 37% compared to last year. Year to date shows a 16% increase on last year.

Stevie Dakota

Some interesting data there, Renault's YTD year on year improvement is remarkable.

roosterman71

Top 5 improvers compared to the first 2 months of 2009
1. Renault +1511
2. VW +932
3. Mercedes +423
4. Opel +385
5. Seat +372

Anyone surprised to see Seat and Mercedes so much improved? Whats that down to?

Worst 5 performers* compared to the first 2 months of 2009
1. Nissan -598
2. Citroen -184
3. Honda -73
4. Alfa -56
5. Audi -48

And anyone surprised at Audi doing worse than last year even though they've the new A4? And whats happened Nissan?

*private imports were 2nd worse after a fall of 405. I omitted them as they aren't a manufacturer!!

Stevie Dakota

roosterman71 wrote: »

And whats happened Nissan?

When last did you hear an ad for Nissan, or see a press advert? Take out the aging Qashqai and can you think of one Nissan you might actually want to own? It's a brand that has fallen off the radar.

Jip

I can't remember the last Nissan I saw that I actually wouldn't have minded owning, bar the Z cars obviously, maybe the Maxima at the time ?

roosterman71

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

When last did you hear an ad for Nissan, or see a press advert? Take out the aging Qashqai and can you think of one Nissan you might actually want to own? It's a brand that has fallen off the radar.

The GT-R

The Nissans took a bit of a slide reliability wise years back and are no longer considered a sensible option, they also aren't cheap, how come the VW figures are so improved ?

Stevie Dakota

We spoke too soon, Nissan are saved...

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Nissan-Micra-2010-at-the-Geneva-motor-show/

The state of it. :rolleyes:

I reckon a big part of Nissan's slide is due to a confusing and not adequate line up. What is their Golf, Asta, Focus, Corolla, Megane rival ? The Tiida is too small and the Qashqai won't fit the bill for many, it's also quite expensive. The Note can't really be expected to be a viable contender. There is then the Pixo and the Micra, Micra will always have it's followers but the Pixo is a horrible little thing.

Where is the Avensis, Mondeo rival ? The Qashai ?

Any mainstream volume manufacturer needs a supermini, a family car & a repmobile / large family car. Nissan don't have two of that three but have loads of models that appeal to few people.