RAG week

What are the dates for RAG week this year? a friend of mine has to book time off.

I think its the week before the week off like last year, i.e. week 9 but im not certain.

bazkennedy

22-25 March (week 9)

Its also going to be called Charity Week

Thanks for the quick reply!

bazkennedy

no prob

PeakOutput

the change of name is a joke its going to be exactly the same no point glossing over the fact its a piss up were some money gets raised

ninty9er

ULSU Hat on:

In relation to the re-naming, we've got 2 guys who are doing link-ins/co-op modules who are going to work on creating a fundraising ethos. Also the fact from the student survey that 35% of people didn't know what RAG stood for meant we had to act and spell it out as if explaining to a Martian that the whole point of the week is to raise money. €20k simply will not cut it this year.

ergonomics

Also speaking as a Students' Union Officer.

The idea of the new name is not to gloss over anything; it is to raise awareness of what the week is about. As the majority of students think it is just "a piss up where some money gets raised", we want to raise the profile of the charity side of it. We hope that students will begin to think of it primarily as a week for charity rather than a week to get drunk. The Raising and Giving aspect has been completely lost on account of the RAG abbreviation and this is a problem faced by all colleges across Ireland.

Isn't it better to try something than to do nothing and vainly hope things will improve?

Gazza1000

Hey All,
Sorry to ask a nerdy question but what is the story with lectures and tutorials on this week? Do they go ahead??

Zeouterlimits

Gazza1000 wrote: »

Hey All,
Sorry to ask a nerdy question but what is the story with lectures and tutorials on this week? Do they go ahead??

It's up to the lecturer, most don't bother unless it's important material (iirc).

sceptre

ninty9er wrote: »

Also the fact from the student survey that 35% of people didn't know what RAG stood for meant we had to act and spell it out as if explaining to a Martian that the whole point of the week is to raise money.

To be fair, what it stands for (variously "Raise and give", "raising and giving", "raise a grand" etc depending on which college is running it) is a backronym formed for the much older "Rag" in the past eight or so years so it's not as though it's got any more pedigree than the much maligned Kollege Week. There are those who think that it's always stood for "raise and give" as well and hence only know slightly more than those who didn't know it stood for anything (although obviously those guys are aware of the official reason for the week). So they can't really be blamed that much.

For what it's worth though, "Charity Week" is a nice name (thumbs up there), emphasising the ostensible and official purpose. And for those of us who have wet dreams about etymology, it obviously includes both giving to worthy causes and the older meaning of kindness towards others (with cash obviously). I will be disappointed in a few years if that suddenly stands for "come here and raise Irish thousands, you" or something equally inane though:) Of course now that I've overanalysed it, it's suddenly less fun:p


Anyhoo, an aside. Moving back to the funzone, I'm sure the week will be great. Who's playing gigs at it then or is that decided yet?

bazkennedy

Ah sceptre, finally someone who also understands the whole raising and giving thing

anyhoo while i see the point in the rebranding, i don't see it catching on overall. To most students it will still be known as rag week, especially when all the clubs, pubs, off licenses etc will be advertising their "rag week" events and specials

Funkstard

I think having a target is the best idea. Aim to raise €50,000 (say for arguments sake there's 10,000 students so a fiver each) and have a daily tally during the week so you can see how close you are. Push the fact that that if everyone contributes the price of only one pint then you're collecting quite a substantial amount collectively, and use the daily tally both as advertising and it makes it a bit more dramatic with the final push etc.

Is that inflatable cinema still knocking around?

PeakOutput

ergonomics wrote: »

Isn't it better to try something than to do nothing and vainly hope things will improve?

its not the trying i have a problem with i just think its a crap idea

rag week is the brand already and its a week of drinking were charity benefits from some of the profit or whatever, thats not going to change no matter what you change the name to. the better idea is keep the name advertise what it really means(or a group of meanings) and force the **** out of the collections for charity

changing the name imo is an easy way to say oh well we did something but the students arent paying attention its not our fault

funkstards got the right idea pushing the raising and giving with all your might is all it needs people will either give or they wont the name dosnt matter

ergonomics

PeakOutput wrote: »

changing the name imo is an easy way to say oh well we did something but the students arent paying attention its not our fault

I'm kinda disappointed that you think we would be that lazy.

The name is just one in a whole number of things we plan to do this semester. For instance, there are 4 days in Charity Week and 4 Raising and Giving Charities. Thus one day of each week is going to be devoted to one of the Charities. There's going to be an Irish Heart Foundation Day, a Limerick Youth Service day, a Make-A-Wish Day and a Mid-West Simon Community Day. Each day will have events relating to the charity of the day.

I'm going to do a full page profile on each of the charities in An Focal which outlines what the charity is about and how your donations will help. The first profile, which is in the current An Focal, looks at Limerick Youth Service and how just 50c per student will allow them to soundproof a music room and recording studio which could be used as youth radio station in future.

We've got ourselves two fundraising coordinators who are organising events to raise money for the Raising and Giving Charities so we can ensure that as much is raised as possible. I could go on and on.

Everyone is welcome to email sugetinvolved@ul.ie too if they have ideas of things we can do.

rgunning

ergonomics wrote: »

I'm kinda disappointed that you think we would be that lazy.

The name is just one in a whole number of things we plan to do this semester. For instance, there are 4 days in Charity Week and 4 Raising and Giving Charities.......

Hmmmm maybe the focus should be on not having this happen again.

ninty9er

rgunning wrote: »

Hmmmm maybe the focus should be on not having this happen again.

That is one of a handful of isolated incidents that we do not want to see repeated, but the residents quoted in those articles must realise that it is individuals who cause this damage, not the University or the Students' Union.

If it had happened any other time of the year it would have been a Garda matter only. Residents have taken the absolute piss complaining about RAG week in the past, when they have similar complaints throughout the semester.

There is NOTHING the University or the Students' Union can do to control the idiots who cause damage, they are individuals and adults in the same way as any other resident of Castletroy.

In terms of the name, it was better to make it explicit to the people who had no idea that this is what it is for. It is NOT about getting twisted 5 days straight, it is about making money for our 4 charities.

Like Aoife already said...50c per student/faculty and staff this week and each of the next 8 weeks would make over €60k. It not like we're asking for blood!

pervertedcoffee

PeakOutput wrote: »

its 勿ot the trying 吾 have a problem with 吾 just 思hink its a crap 意dea

I disagree. Certainly the current idea of RAG week has been fairly well ingrained into the minds of the older students but for first years like myself (and my friends - if our conversations are anything to go by) the name change has changed our attitudes to it already. Also the publicity its recieving at the moment has helped. Before I used to wish it would go away (not the biggest fan of drunken crowds) but now I know what its for I wish it every success.

Besides that, name and brand changing is something plenty of companies employ to drastically (and often successfully) alter the image of a product in the mind of their target audience. It's considered one of the most effective methods of boosting sales, etc. so I would commend the SU for taking this initiative.

PeakOutput

pervertedcoffee wrote: »

I disagree. Certainly the current idea of RAG week has been fairly well ingrained into the minds of the older students but for first years like myself (and my friends - if our conversations are anything to go by) the name change has changed our attitudes to it already. Also the publicity its recieving at the moment has helped. Before I used to wish it would go away (not the biggest fan of drunken crowds) but now I know what its for I wish it every success.

Besides that, name and brand changing is something plenty of companies employ to drastically (and often successfully) alter the image of a product in the mind of their target audience. It's considered one of the most effective methods of boosting sales, etc. so I would commend the SU for taking this initiative.

thats great but if the general attitude of the week changes (ie less of the drinking and partying) i guarantee you revenue to the charities will go down as well. participation encourages donation and if people get bored and dont participate its the charities that suffer. like it or not the piss up part is part of it and if you change that it will become just like any other week like sexual health week that is barely noticed by the student population and again as a result the charities will suffer

obviously i hope it works im over the 5 day benders and trying to knuckle down so it dosnt bother me either way

entropic

Funkstard wrote: »

I think having a target is the best idea. Aim to raise €50,000 (say for arguments sake there's 10,000 students so a fiver each) and have a daily tally during the week so you can see how close you are. Push the fact that that if everyone contributes the price of only one pint then you're collecting quite a substantial amount collectively, and use the daily tally both as advertising and it makes it a bit more dramatic with the final push etc.

I think that is an absolutly fantastic idea, set the bar at what was raised last year and try to match it again which should be achievable given the branding change and the more emphises on charity.

On another note, any ideas on activites? Will the great race be going ahead again this year? I want to know in advance so that my useless driving friends cant use lack of warning as an excuse to do it.

TwilightFan88

Its still just going to be called Rag Week anyways by the majority!

ninty9er

entropic wrote: »

Will the great race be going ahead again this year?

Yes. I'm working on it with Fergal and the Events PM

mlmcelligott

Is this still going ahead after last year?

pervertedcoffee

PeakOutput wrote: »

thats great but if the general attitude of the week changes (ie less of the drinking and partying) i guarantee you revenue to the charities will go down as well. participation encourages donation and if people get bored and dont participate its the charities that suffer. like it or not the piss up part is part of it and if you change that it will become just like any other week like sexual health week that is barely noticed by the student population and again as a result the charities will suffer

obviously i hope it works im over the 5 day benders and trying to knuckle down so it dosnt bother me either way

It's a pity that this may in fact be true but what we need to do is come up with innovative ways to encourage donations apart from alcohol. For example in NUIM they have lecture interruption from their comedy club. Its pointless just conceding to student's attitudes, we need to aim to change them.

Here are some other ideas I've come across: nearly naked mile; nude calender; try to find wally on campus

schuman_stalker

@pervertedcoffee don't be afraid to pass on the suggestions to the rockett man or derek every little helps

dragonheart

hay all....first year in ul so just wondering what to epect from rag week/charity week?

dragonheart

dragonheart wrote: »

hay all....first year in ul so just wondering what to epect from rag week/charity week?

organised chaos

dragonheart

oh god is it that bad?? i heard about the car n stuff and am worried about my belonings??

PeakOutput

dragonheart wrote: »

oh god is it that bad?? i heard about the car n stuff and am worried about my belonings??

more than likely you will be fine

if you live on campus you will defo be grand as you have security to call on

dragonheart

PeakOutput wrote: »

more than likely you will be fine

if you live on campus you will defo be grand as you have security to call on

dont live on campus unfortunately, living in elm park which is prob the worst thing...overheard 2 female housemates chatting saying they were planning to stick in big groups no matter what because "YOU KNOW WHAT FELLAS ARE LIKE WHEN DRINKING ALL DAY FOR RAG WEEK......." is this a misconception of the dangers???

sceptre

dragonheart wrote: »

dont live on campus unfortunately, living in elm park which is prob the worst thing...overheard 2 female housemates chatting saying they were planning to stick in big groups no matter what because "YOU KNOW WHAT FELLAS ARE LIKE WHEN DRINKING ALL DAY FOR RAG WEEK......." is this a misconception of the dangers???

Broadly speaking, it's certainly a dramatic exaggeration of the dangers.

Raving

I'm delighted to be going to Milan for rag week as a part of a module. Most students were very unhappy about it being on the same week as rag week but being someone who doesn't enjoy drinking I personally find rag week a complete pain. Sure in the societies I'm in we run events to raise money which are fun but other then that it's chaos.

LauraOrlagh

I love the idea of RAG week but I do agree it's pretty much become an excuse for a lazy drinking week. While I agree with attempts to re-brand it to Charity Week, and while I think Ruan (the ULSU President) deserves great credit not only for this but for all of his work during the past year, I don't think the name 'Charity Week' is going to catch on.
It's too long - simple as that. RAG is one syllable, Charity is 2; you need something snappier in order for it to catch on. That's probably the reason RAG caught on so much in the first place and why it came to a stage where people weren't sure what it stood for anymore.

I don't have a name to even suggest at the moment to be honest, but it just needs to be snappier I'm afraid, maybe Will Week (good will.. a lead into what students will do to help charities etc.).. I don't know..
Laura

dragonheart

LauraOrlagh wrote: »

I don't have a name to even suggest at the moment to be honest, but it just needs to be snappier I'm afraid, maybe Will Week (good will.. a lead into what students will do to help charities etc.).. I don't know..
Laura

people will start calling it willy week and give out a wrong message as to whats acceptable?

Raving

Or if they started calling it Willy week people could get it confused with S.H.A.G week as well! =P

LauraOrlagh

dragonheart wrote: »

people will start calling it willy week and give out a wrong message as to whats acceptable?

OK there's no guarantee that would have happened but now that you've suggested it would it will.. but anyway like I said.. I don't have the real answer for the name, if you guys can come up with something snappier which still has the charity theme be my guest

Raving

I think Charity week is a good name for now. There was no point this year to actually changing it to something catchy because the point was that people never knew what RAG week stood for where as Charity week is really obvious. It's not the most creative name but I think it is atleast good at bringing across its message, which is much better than what RAG week did.

entropic

dragonheart wrote: »

dont live on campus unfortunately, living in elm park which is prob the worst thing...overheard 2 female housemates chatting saying they were planning to stick in big groups no matter what because "YOU KNOW WHAT FELLAS ARE LIKE WHEN DRINKING ALL DAY FOR RAG WEEK......." is this a misconception of the dangers???

Well no but it's also true if you replace RAG week with any drinking occasion. Your always advised to stay in groups any night you go out drinking and that is good advice. Although there is alot of anti social behaviour during RAG week you can avoid most of the hassle with some common sense. Stay in groups, if you have to go anywhere alone make sure people expect you somewhere or that you will text someone when you arive.

If your not going to participate in RAG week then that's fine but don't expect Elm Park to be quite.

LauraOrlagh

Raving wrote: »

I think Charity week is a good name for now. There was no point this year to actually changing it to something catchy because the point was that people never knew what RAG week stood for where as Charity week is really obvious. It's not the most creative name but I think it is atleast good at bringing across its message, which is much better than what RAG week did.

Hmm, yes I know I'm contradicting myself now which I rarely do but I agree with you. I suppose the main aim this year was to raise awareness of what Charity week is actually about - Charity and not drinking non-stop.

Raving

I do agree that it's name will have to be changed again but for the next year or so I do believe that it is the best name to use for it. Who knows, maybe they'll even be some really good events that aren't related to drinking this year. I was going to do the sleep out as that sounded like it's going to be a lot of fun but I shall be away. However I also live in Briarfield which means they'll be none stop parties, which makes me glad to be missing this year. =P I shall make sure to leave some money for donations anyway! ^^

dragonheart

LauraOrlagh wrote: »

OK there's no guarantee that would have happened but now that you've suggested it would it will.. but anyway like I said.. I don't have the real answer for the name, if you guys can come up with something snappier which still has the charity theme be my guest

well to be honest i think keeping away from sexually suggestive names could actually decrease the level of sex/assaults so thats why i think charity week is good imo

dragonheart

entropic wrote: »

Well no but it's also true if you replace RAG week with any drinking occasion. Your always advised to stay in groups any night you go out drinking and that is good advice. Although there is alot of anti social behaviour during RAG week you can avoid most of the hassle with some common sense. Stay in groups, if you have to go anywhere alone make sure people expect you somewhere or that you will text someone when you arive.

If your not going to participate in RAG week then that's fine but don't expect Elm Park to be quite.

ya that elm park point is fair like, aslong as it doesnt go too far the car has me worried tho after last year! thanks 4 d tips also especially with the links between rag week and rape accusations...whether true or not

Peteee

Can we speak in non txtspk please.

You have a full keyboard there.

dragonheart

sorry moderator...was in a hurry to get the message away:D

ya looking forward to my first charity week...lets hope it passes without any of the so called "fun antics" that a few idiots call "messin'"...any one else think this is fair?

Nockz

LauraOrlagh wrote: »

RAG is one syllable, Charity is 2;

*facepalm*

LauraOrlagh

LauraOrlagh wrote: »

RAG is one syllable, Charity is 2

Classic

Mr Lightweight

Call it what you want, at the end of the day it will always be 'rag week' - people are going to drink during the day and go out a lot more than usual for that one specific week before the easter break.

This year however is going to be different. I am worried about a few things.

In my opinion it's one of the dullest line ups ever. The only thing really worth a look is The Coronas - and thats just because they've never been here before. Secondly it really scares me that the Stables and Javas cant serve on campus until after 6pm everyday. That is shocking. Looks like the times of hundreds of people drinking on the grass outside the library are gone. I can also see security trying to come down hard on drinking in public - even though it's easy to get away from them. Whatever. In my opinion it's going to be a week of many house parties and random nights in the Lodge.

And of course in the end there will be thousands of euro lost on poor ticket sales and more lost on paying for damaged property. FUN FUN FUN :pac:

Nockz

Mr Lightweight wrote: »

it really scares me that the Stables and Javas cant serve on campus until after 6pm everyday. That is shocking. Looks like the times of hundreds of people drinking on the grass outside the library are gone. I can also see security trying to come down hard on drinking in public - even though it's easy to get away from them. Whatever. In my opinion it's going to be a week of many house parties and random nights in the Lodge.

About time. The amount of drinking on campus was a joke.

Mr Lightweight

Nockz wrote: »

About time. The amount of drinking on campus was a joke.

In my opinion they are kind of doing us a favor. We are going to spend less money in the pub and just get a bag of cans instead. The only thing missing is the atmosphere that comes with daytime drinking in the sun amongst hundreds of other students. Don't get me wrong - I go to college, do my work, pass my exams - but I love nothing more than chilling with a pint on a sunny day with my friends. Each to their own I guess.

PeakOutput

Mr Lightweight wrote: »

In my opinion it's one of the dullest line ups ever. The only thing really worth a look is The Coronas - and thats just because they've never been here before.

ul lineups are always shocking to be honest this one does seem particularly bad

Secondly it really scares me that the Stables and Javas cant serve on campus until after 6pm everyday. That is shocking. Looks like the times of hundreds of people drinking on the grass outside the library are gone.

its a bit stupid restricting them but you were never allowed drink on the green in front of the library(at least as long as iv been here) but if your discrete about it and clean up after yourself its never been a problem when iv done it

i think people should be allowed drink on campus in public but there should be absolutely no tolerance for unruly behaviour anyone steps out of line security clamp down and they get hauled up in front of the disciplinary commitee one year of that (the committee will be busy no doubt) should calm things down alot as soon as suspensions start getting handed out

people should be given the freedom but punished harshly when they abuse that imo. right now they are technically not allowed do what everyone will be doing and not getting in any trouble for anyway

Mr Lightweight

Anyone remember when there were about 200 - 300 drinking out on the grass and security couldn't move anyone? They called the gards and their efforts were futile as well. Needless to say I don't really remember what happened after that.. but it was a fun day

bazkennedy

Where's this whole thing about the pubs not serving alcohol until 6pm?

If it is true, i will be very disapointed. This will only push the drinking off campus and lead to problems with residents. It will also kill any hope of building a good atmosphere on campus

As for the line-up, its ok but not sure if its worth the €30