Liveline discussing Limerick regeneration

billy the squid

discussing the relocation of council estate resident to posh areas of the city.

Itsdacraic

billy the squid wrote: »

discussing the relocation of council estate resident to posh areas of the city.

How about they discuss the relocation of them to rural towns where there aren't the Garda resources/interest to deal with them?

billy the squid

Itsdacraic wrote: »

How about they discuss the relocation of them to rural towns where there aren't the Garda resources/interest to deal with them?

That is being discussed also

Flaccus

To be honest those people from Raheen have got their terminology wrong. The trouble makers that were moved in, are not moved under the hospices of regeneration. This is part of the social rehousing scheme which has been in effect for many years. Regneration has done very little for Limerick, other than pay for the huge lunch expenses, company cars, and salaries of the people running the rengernation offices out of watchhouse cross in Moyross, and of course raise the profile of these anti-social incidents. And now they are out of money. I remember hearing mouth piece O'Dea on 95FM a couple of years ago saying that city hall have never received any complaints from residents in areas where people had been rehoused.

RonMexico

I wouldn't consider any area of Limerick to be posh. Some people would like to think so for status reasons and some out of begrudgery but the reality is that at the end of the day it is Limerick. Posh it aint.

john_cappa

Itsdacraic wrote: »

How about they discuss the relocation of them to rural towns where there aren't the Garda resources/interest to deal with them?

Them?

Garda resources?

Yes as all of them/us are scumbags.

Itsdacraic

john_cappa wrote: »

Them?

Garda resources?

Yes as all of them/us are scumbags.

Any of the ones that have been relocated out my way seem to be. I'm sure plenty of the relocated people are decent folk, I just haven't encountered any them.

irishvamp90

billy the squid wrote: »

discussing the relocation of council estate resident to posh areas of the city.

Billy,im from raheen,im not "posh" most people here are normal quiet people
Its like me saying your scum cause your from an area

irishvamp90

john_cappa wrote: »

Them?

Garda resources?

Yes as all of them/us are scumbags.

Yeah them that act scummy/anti social.Theres people from southill beside us and we only know because they told us,great neighbours

Berty

I see it's back to the US and THEM scenario again.

Who are YOU? Who are THEY?

Millie

RonMexico wrote: »

I wouldn't consider any area of Limerick to be posh. Some people would like to think so for status reasons and some out of begrudgery but the reality is that at the end of the day it is Limerick. Posh it aint.

That's for sure.

However the council or whoever of the many (unaccountable) bodies that are resposible for rehousing people in areas should be made to be more accountable.
The heartache, tears and fear that have been inflicted by these leeches on so many people (myself included) is unbelievable.

irishvamp90

Berty wrote: »

I see it's back to the US and THEM scenario again.

Who are YOU? Who are THEY?

What would you call it so Berty?Ok we had a family living in the road where i live causing all sorts of crap,so i would say THEY

ME..im a quiet decent law abiding person along with my family

Raiser

irishvamp90 wrote: »

Yeah them that act scummy/anti social.Theres people from southill beside us and we only know because they told us,great neighbours

EDIT: Vampy is clearly a fair-minded and non-judgemental Neighbour !!!!!!!!!

Dooradoyle/Raheen has no entitlement to any ideas of grandeur/poshness.

- Fact is that if these Folks moved from Southhill to Raheen/Dooradoyle they now have poorer infrastructure, less green areas and no fcuking Park.....

The utterly stupid Members of Limericks Planning Office should be put on an open top Bus, driven around Limerick City and Suburbs and it should be slowly and patiently explained to them how massively ignorant they are in terms of the basics of planning.....

......Every time they pass 500 houses built on a space for 200 houses with no infrastructural or recreational allowances of any kind they should be taken off the Bus an made kneel in front of it for 30 minutes to have some time to think about how vapid, dull and ineffectual they are as untalented, foolish, Amateurs.

The Planning Office is responsible for so many future of Limerick future disadvantaged Estates - an that includes EVERY suburb out there.

:mad:

P.S. If anyone on here can't judge People from their decency and actions rather than prejudging them from their former address then they themselves are they Scumbags............

irishvamp90

Raiser wrote: »

Dooradoyle/Raheen has no entitlement to any ideas of grandeur/poshness.

- Fact is that if these Folks moved from Southhill to Raheen/Dooradoyle they now have poorer infrastructure, less green areas and no fcuking Park.....

The utterly stupid Members of Limericks Planning Office should be put on an open top Bus, driven around Limerick City and Suburbs and it should be slowly and patiently explained to them how massively ignorant they are in terms of the basics of planning.....

......Every time they pass 500 houses built on a space for 200 houses with no infrastructural or recreational allowances of any kind they should be taken off the Bus an made kneel in front of it for 30 minutes to have some time to think about how vapid, dull and ineffectual they are as untalented, foolish, Amateurs.

The Planning Office is responsible for so many future of Limerick future disadvantaged Estates - an that includes EVERY suburb out there.

:mad:

P.S. If anyone on here can't judge People from their decency and actions rather than prejudging them from their former address then they themselves are they Scumbags............

I said nothing about poshness or where people are from?Southill gets bad press but our neighbours bought a house in raheen their not rehoused scum or heathboard jobs.My point is they are decent and moved cause they had enough of their previous house

Millie

I don't think anyone is out to judge someone from their address either current or former.
It is the actions of some people and the way they abuse the new area that they have been relocated to that irks people.

Raiser

irishvamp90 wrote: »

I said nothing about poshness or where people are from?Southill gets bad press but our neighbours bought a house in raheen their not rehoused scum or heathboard jobs.My point is they are decent and moved cause they had enough of their previous house

Sorry Vampy - I wasn't very clear - I never meant you and had noted that you had been totally positive in this regard earlier!!!

- Will edit my post so its not so misleading!

Itsdacraic

Raiser wrote: »

P.S. If anyone on here can't judge People from their decency and actions rather than prejudging them from their former address then they themselves are they Scumbags............

Here is how I came to my judgement regarding the people relocated to my area.

I was driving down the main street of the town when I came across a group of men and women fighting in the street, armed with bottles. Not recognising them as local scumbags, I asked my mate who these new scumbags were, he said they were a crowd of people who had been rehoused from the city due to the regeneration. So I had had formed my opinion that they were scumbags by their actions, not by finding out their former address.

Lapsed Catholic

Raiser wrote: »

EDIT: Vampy is clearly a fair-minded and non-judgemental Neighbour !!!!!!!!!

Dooradoyle/Raheen has no entitlement to any ideas of grandeur/poshness.

- Fact is that if these Folks moved from Southhill to Raheen/Dooradoyle they now have poorer infrastructure, less green areas and no fcuking Park.....

The utterly stupid Members of Limericks Planning Office should be put on an open top Bus, driven around Limerick City and Suburbs and it should be slowly and patiently explained to them how massively ignorant they are in terms of the basics of planning.....

......Every time they pass 500 houses built on a space for 200 houses with no infrastructural or recreational allowances of any kind they should be taken off the Bus an made kneel in front of it for 30 minutes to have some time to think about how vapid, dull and ineffectual they are as untalented, foolish, Amateurs.

The Planning Office is responsible for so many future of Limerick future disadvantaged Estates - an that includes EVERY suburb out there.

:mad:

P.S. If anyone on here can't judge People from their decency and actions rather than prejudging them from their former address then they themselves are they Scumbags............

Raiser, you're angry again. The planning office with responsibility for the suburbs is that of the County Council (mainly). No point in driving them around the city, we couldn't care less what they've done/not done.

Your last point is typical of your sanctimonious bile. In a recent thread you referred to parents and pupils of a certain suburban school in an unflattering manner because of the vehicles they drove their children to school in. You really should practice what you preach.

Raiser

Lapsed Catholic wrote: »

Raiser, you're angry again. The planning office with responsibility for the suburbs is that of the County Council (mainly). No point in driving them around the city, we couldn't care less what they've done/not done.

Your last point is typical of your sanctimonious bile. In a recent thread you referred to parents and pupils of a certain suburban school in an unflattering manner because of the vehicles they drove their children to school in. You really should practice what you preach.

I'd rather be "angry" and make sense than to carry petty, childish personal grudges and talk nonsense

Where did I make any distinction between the Planning Offices??????

"We couldn't care less what they've done/not done" ?????? Who is "We" ?????
- I'm delighted for all of you that you are satisfied with the current sad state of affairs!!!

You were reported for your contribution to that thread - I'd leave it be if I was you.

For you to suddenly pop up on here all excited armed with some non-agenda and no point is ridiculous in the extreme - Why don't you go fly a kite or talk a Country walk or something?

Itsdacraic I didn't mean anyone personally re. that point - or even this thread - I've just seen some of the "Us Vs. Them" sentiment and on here in the past and think everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves.

mike kelly

Bad planning is a problem all over Ireland, not just Limerick. The main problem in Limerick is that there is no sanction for anti-social behaviour. People who do not respect their neighbours or are involved in crime should not received subsidised housing.

um7y1h83ge06nx

It's issues like this and more that in recently years has seen me move politically to the right, more and more.

The left-wing liberals live in some parallel utopian universe that's totally at odds with Ireland's reality. This re-generation thing is a load of idealistic, naive rubbish.

It strikes me that the 'middle class' of Ireland, particularly the rural middle class have been persecuted again and again, and it's getting worse. It's about time that we drill march again with pride, just like so many did before in rural Ireland.

We need a leader that can empower us, some-one like Daniel O'Connell, Michael Collins, maybe even the far right of the National Guard like Eoin O'Duffy and Charleville's Ed "The Lion Tamer" Cronin.

Okay, rant over.

donutheadhomer

Flaccus wrote: »

To be honest those people from Raheen have got their terminology wrong. The trouble makers that were moved in, are not moved under the hospices of regeneration. This is part of the social rehousing scheme which has been in effect for many years. Regneration has done very little for Limerick, other than pay for the huge lunch expenses, company cars, and salaries of the people running the rengernation offices out of watchhouse cross in Moyross, and of course raise the profile of these anti-social incidents. And now they are out of money. I remember hearing mouth piece O'Dea on 95FM a couple of years ago saying that city hall have never received any complaints from residents in areas where people had been rehoused.

I wish people would realise that it isn't the council/regeneration that is moving people from Moyross/Southill/Weston. Anyone is free to RENT anywhere in Ireland and the HSE will pay towards that rent if that rent is deemed reasonable for your needs and circumstances. If people want "them" out of "their" area then "you" will will need to talk to the PRIVATE landlords that have rented their houses to "them". Basically its "your" own neighbours fault for renting to "them" in the first place. I know someone working in the Council housing office and they've said the council don't own very many houses in Dooradoyle/Raheen but they administer a scheme called RAS for landlords. http://www.environ.ie/en/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/SocialHousingSupport/RentalAccomodationScheme/

donutheadhomer

mike kelly wrote: »

Bad planning is a problem all over Ireland, not just Limerick. The main problem in Limerick is that there is no sanction for anti-social behaviour. People who do not respect their neighbours or are involved in crime should not received subsidised housing.

Its not only the renters who don't respect their neighbours - but the landlords who rented to them that do their neighbours the greatest disrepect. The key to stopping an antisocial element moving onto an area is private landlords not to rent to them.

mysterious

I'd like to see the groody River in Castletroy turned into a nature reserve and public park. The rest of the brounfield site turned into a self contained village style town with some high density compenants. The idea of bringing nature here would be a great place to bring many disadvantaged and crime stricken people back into alignment of some aspect of self responsibility and sense of self again. The crime and depression in the areas where people lived is responsible for why many turned to crime in the first place.

I think it's not just a matter of putting these people into a posh area, its about actually dealing with the root problem that makes people turn too opression and crime itself.

What are your thoughts.

Flaccus

EurasianBadger wrote: »

I wish people would realise that it isn't the council/regeneration that is moving people from Moyross/Southill/Weston. Anyone is free to RENT anywhere in Ireland and the HSE will pay towards that rent if that rent is deemed reasonable for your needs and circumstances. If people want "them" out of "their" area then "you" will will need to talk to the PRIVATE landlords that have rented their houses to "them". Basically its "your" own neighbours fault for renting to "them" in the first place. I know someone working in the Council housing office and they've said the council don't own very many houses in Dooradoyle/Raheen but they administer a scheme called RAS for landlords. http://www.environ.ie/en/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/SocialHousingSupport/RentalAccomodationScheme/

Doesn't change the fact there is fu**kin scumbags moving into these areas, whether they bought from the council under a scheme, renting under social rehousing, or bought privately. I don't care where they come from. Obvioulsy like in most situations the vast majority of people are fine. It's the minority who intimidate and feel they have a sense of entitlement. lI know of 2 families evicted in Westbury over continued anti-social behaviour. They were both renting. 1 I know was renting from a landlord under RAS. They were dealing drugs. Another was renting through council scheme and this was 3rd time they were moved due to causing trouble in each area. In each case the residents filed a petition, went to the authorities, landlord etc.. I know moving people on doesn't solve the problem, and never has, but people are just sick of anti-social behaviour and scum.

I may me wrong, but since this Limerick regeneration scheme has seen people from the city moved to my local area in West Limerick, I can count up to 20 houses which have been robbed in the last 9 months as well as countless other which have had attempted robberies. Myself included.

Twice my family home has been robbed, once in April and 3 weeks ago. They were never caught for the one in April but the one 3 weeks ago was due to the sheer vigalance and paranoia from all the locals. Every car that stops outside the house and neighbours houses has the make, model and plates taken down. Any small talk with neighbours involves, whos been robbed and any suspicious cars/vans which have been doing the rounds. This mindset has its advantages as some of the thugs have been caught but people shouldn't have to live like that.

The Gardai have been excellent both times I have been robbed but they simply do not have the resources to stop all these burgalaries. I know that I am selfish when I say this, but what was Limerick city's problem for years has been spread around the county and as far as north Cork and Tip. Wouldnt it have been better to contain it in the city?

Raiser

Deleted User wrote: »

I may me wrong, but since this Limerick regeneration scheme has seen people from the city moved to my local area in West Limerick, I can count up to 20 houses which have been robbed in the last 9 months as well as countless other which have had attempted robberies. Myself included.

Twice my family home has been robbed, once in April and 3 weeks ago. They were never caught for the one in April but the one 3 weeks ago was due to the sheer vigalance and paranoia from all the locals. Every car that stops outside the house and neighbours houses has the make, model and plates taken down. Any small talk with neighbours involves, whos been robbed and any suspicious cars/vans which have been doing the rounds. This mindset has its advantages as some of the thugs have been caught but people shouldn't have to live like that.

The Gardai have been excellent both times I have been robbed but they simply do not have the resources to stop all these burgalaries. I know that I am selfish when I say this, but what was Limerick city's problem for years has been spread around the county and as far as north Cork and Tip. Wouldnt it have been better to contain it in the city?

They should have both barrels emptied into their dull, inbred little Knackers faces.

Raiser

Raiser wrote: »

They should have both barrels emptied into their dull, inbred little Knackers faces.

A bit of an agressive solution but a solution nonetheless!

donutheadhomer

Flaccus wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact there is fu**kin scumbags moving into these areas, whether they bought from the council under a scheme, renting under social rehousing, or bought privately. I don't care where they come from. Obvioulsy like in most situations the vast majority of people are fine. It's the minority who intimidate and feel they have a sense of entitlement. lI know of 2 families evicted in Westbury over continued anti-social behaviour. They were both renting. 1 I know was renting from a landlord under RAS. They were dealing drugs. Another was renting through council scheme and this was 3rd time they were moved due to causing trouble in each area. In each case the residents filed a petition, went to the authorities, landlord etc.. I know moving people on doesn't solve the problem, and never has, but people are just sick of anti-social behaviour and scum.

Then your neghbours shouldn't sell/rent their houses to the council should they??

samsemtex

EurasianBadger wrote: »

Then your neghbours shouldn't sell/rent their houses to the council should they??

You do realise a certain proportion of housing estates MUST be for "social housing". Also not that half of the country's pathetically planned developments are now empty the councils will have no hesitation moving these scum into once quiet towns.

Raiser

EurasianBadger wrote: »

Then your neghbours shouldn't sell/rent their houses to the council should they??

I know of an Indian Family who happily rented what was their original Family 3 bed Semi-Detached to two successive Traveller Families after they themselves had moved up in the World.

Now I'm not that judgemental but it can be depressing to see their Toddlers out in traffic in a vest and a 2 day old nappy and thats just a flavour of Neo Halting site life in Suburbia....

Tenants in the adjoining house had to leave a week or two later and the House is vacant since.

- Landlords couldn't give a fcuk about anything but their own incoming ca$h.

Flaccus

EurasianBadger wrote: »

Then your neghbours shouldn't sell/rent their houses to the council should they??

And how the hell am I supposed to stop my neighbours selling/renting ?

Regardless, it still doesn't change the FACT that scumbags moved in and it doesn't excuse their drug dealing and violent behaviour. I think I'm entitled to live in peace. I really don't know what your point is if any. Oh yeah..you were talking about people renting and receiving subsidies. This has got feck all to do with some of them being scumbags other than the fact they are lowlife drug dealers who also feel they have a sense of entitlement to get everything free and never wanting to work a day in their lives. F8ck them I say. I hope they all die roaring.

mike kelly

a lack of effective punishment for anti-social behavior is the real problem. As I understand the regeneration agency hasn't even started moving people yet. Once that starts,things will get a lot worse. If I were you I would sell up and move to somewhere well away from Limerick. Once people related to major drug families are rehoused, property in the areas they move to will become worthless.

Itsdacraic

06/02/2010 - 08:52:16
The massive regeneration programme for Limerick appears to be falling victim to the economic downturn.

It is reported this morning that the Government cannot afford the €1.7bn it was committed to spending on the plans over nine years.

The regeneration of four estates in Limerick city is seen as crucial in dealing with criminal and anti-social issues in the area.

Defence Minister and Limerick TD Willie O'Dea has said no more than €25m can be afforded per year and he is keen to attract private-sector funding for the project.


Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/limerick-regeneration-project-in-doubt-445036.html#ixzz0ekM9sgZn

Would Limerick City Council like their scumbags back so.

funnyname

Hold on FF and their builder friends are going to come to the rescue.


“I can’t give their identity, but they are local builders, people who have been involved in the building trade for a long time . . . they are solid guys,” said Mr O’Dea, who estimated they had “a couple of hundred million euro” to invest.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0206/1224263888398.html

alrightcuz

i had to move from my family home and leave all my friends behind because they felt my life wasn't worth ****, implying i should be grateful to leave my community to move beside drowns of people afraid of there own shadows.
lifeless people who live in a box goodbye friends hello keeping up with the Joneses. noting worse then middle class *****. u no who u are ,,,, go on the island,moyross,southhill,westen and garryowen they can tear us down and split us up our revenge will be the laughter of our children while they hide in there houses

jbkenn

funnyname wrote: »

Hold on FF and their builder friends are going to come to the rescue.


“I can’t give their identity, but they are local builders, people who have been involved in the building trade for a long time . . . they are solid guys,” said Mr O’Dea, who estimated they had “a couple of hundred million euro” to invest.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0206/1224263888398.html

Would this be the same Mr. O'Dea who lies under oath?, from the same newspaper
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0203/1224263660213.html

billy the squid

Flaccus wrote: »

And how the hell am I supposed to stop my neighbours selling/renting ?

Regardless, it still doesn't change the FACT that scumbags moved in and it doesn't excuse their drug dealing and violent behaviour. I think I'm entitled to live in peace. I really don't know what your point is if any. Oh yeah..you were talking about people renting and receiving subsidies. This has got feck all to do with some of them being scumbags other than the fact they are lowlife drug dealers who also feel they have a sense of entitlement to get everything free and never wanting to work a day in their lives. F8ck them I say. I hope they all die roaring.

There is nothing stopping you from calling 1800 666 111 and reporting any drug dealing in your area.

paulplonk

well i live in a middle class area and have been subject to loads of abuse ny my neighbours who think im a scumbag. so it works both ways i hope them 'scum give you hell/

ps its the rise in unemployment that gives a rise in crime its happening everywhere. dimwits, scum or no scum.

Jumpy

paulplonk wrote: »

well i live in a middle class area and have been subject to loads of abuse ny my neighbours who think im a scumbag. so it works both ways i hope them 'scum give you hell/

ps its the rise in unemployment that gives a rise in crime its happening everywhere. dimwits, scum or no scum.

Whatever for? You sound like a sound fellow. :rolleyes:

irishvamp90

paulplonk wrote: »

well i live in a middle class area and have been subject to loads of abuse ny my neighbours who think im a scumbag. so it works both ways i hope them 'scum give you hell/

ps its the rise in unemployment that gives a rise in crime its happening everywhere. dimwits, scum or no scum.

Why do they think your a scumbag?What abuse has happened?

And crime is committed by scum

irishvamp90

alrightcuz wrote: »

i had to move from my family home and leave all my friends behind because they felt my life wasn't worth ****, implying i should be grateful to leave my community to move beside drowns of people afraid of there own shadows.
lifeless people who live in a box goodbye friends hello keeping up with the Joneses. noting worse then middle class *****. u no who u are ,,,, go on the island,moyross,southhill,westen and garryowen they can tear us down and split us up our revenge will be the laughter of our children while they hide in there houses

Why did you have to move from your family home?Who are they?

Scoobydoobydoo

alrightcuz wrote: »

i had to move from my family home and leave all my friends behind because they felt my life wasn't worth ****, implying i should be grateful to leave my community to move beside drowns of people afraid of there own shadows.
lifeless people who live in a box goodbye friends hello keeping up with the Joneses. noting worse then middle class *****. u no who u are ,,,, go on the island,moyross,southhill,westen and garryowen they can tear us down and split us up our revenge will be the laughter of our children while they hide in there houses

I couldn't make any sense of this!

alrightcuz

regeneration is forced on alot of people, the ones who rent have no choice but to move yea to a nicer house but to ***** for neighbors who wont even give you the time of day mainly cause there too afraid .
then they knock all the houses around the ones who own there house forceing them to sell to them and move. community's are left destroyed.

mike kelly

alrightcuz wrote: »

regeneration is forced on alot of people, the ones who rent have no choice but to move yea to a nicer house but to ***** for neighbors who wont even give you the time of day mainly cause there too afraid .
then they knock all the houses around the ones who own there house forceing them to sell to them and move. community's are left destroyed.

very interesting, hadn't thought of it this way before. If homes really have been knocked around some houses which continue to be inhabited, it would be great to see some photographic proof of this.

Flaccus

billy the squid wrote: »

There is nothing stopping you from calling 1800 666 111 and reporting any drug dealing in your area.

Which does FA if just 1 person reports it. Cops either know about it and say they are following it up or ignore you. If enough people report it, then eventually something might happen. That's been my experience.