EPL Team Of The Decade - Left back

Mr.Nice Guy

CHD wrote: »

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I do enjoy your well-argued, in-depth retorts, CHD.

A smilie AND a pic. That sure settles the debate once and for all. Cheers.

RasTa

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The ninja wins!

CHD

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I do enjoy your well-argued, in-depth retorts, CHD.

A smilie AND a pic. That sure settles the debate once and for all. Cheers.

There is no debate. You are wrong. Accept it and move on.

funkyjebus

While I hate him (arsenal fan), it has to be Cashley. Althought I voted for Clichy:p

Do it Gael

Mr.Nice Guy

CHD wrote: »

There is no debate. You are wrong. Accept it and move on.

I'm not wrong, I just happen to have a different opinion than you do. They are both top left backs but I've made my case for why Evra edges out Cole.

I'd love to hear you offer up your reasons for choosing Cole as opposed to rubbishing Evra off the bat and declaring anyone who picks Evra to be wearing red-tinted specs (which is funny considering who you support and your myopia on this subject)

CHD

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I'm not wrong, I just happen to have a different opinion than you do. They are both top left backs but I've made my case for why Evra edges out Cole.

I'd love to hear you offer up your reasons for choosing Cole as opposed to rubbishing Evra off the bat and declaring anyone who picks Evra to be wearing red-tinted specs (which is funny considering who you support and your myopia on this subject)

Its nothing to do with being a Chelsea fan as you can plainly see Cole is regarded as the better LB over the decade. He is hated by most yet they can still see he is the better LB over the decade because get this, he is!

Your entitled to your opinion of course but IMO you are wrong. I will not be going into it in greater detail, it is not needed.

GavRedKing

Theres no doubting how good Evra is but if your taking it is a 10 year period to see whos best its Cole hands down, he has been there since the start and has been absolutely brillant in that time.

Im a Chelsea fan and up until this year I would have argued his best years were at Arsenal but the last 5-6 months he has been one of our best performers and this seasons best left back in the league.

Anybody picking Evra is clearly wrong, considering its a poll of the decade.

eagle eye

We had players not in the poll before that was ridiculous but not having Mikael Silvestre in the poll is just too much.

JPA

eagle eye wrote: »

We had players not in the poll before that was ridiculous but not having Mikael Silvestre in the poll is just too much.

You have strange opinions sometimes so I just don't know if that's sarcasm.

Mitch Connor

eagle eye wrote: »

We had players not in the poll before that was ridiculous but not having Mikael Silvestre in the poll is just too much.

jeez - i thought Silvestre was a striker....:D

Mr.Nice Guy

CHD wrote: »

Its nothing to do with being a Chelsea fan as you can plainly see Cole is regarded as the better LB over the decade. He is hated by most yet they can still see he is the better LB over the decade because get this, he is!

Your entitled to your opinion of course but IMO you are wrong. I will not be going into it in greater detail, it is not needed.

It's funny when Evra won the other poll beating Cole you dismissed the results as being down to United fans, yet you regard this poll as fine and dandy because Cole happens to be winning it.

Evra was named in the FifPro World XI team for 2009 which represents 42 associations worldwide. He was also named in the PFA Team of the Year in 2009 by his peers. Why do you think this is? Where is Cole?

gavredking wrote:

Anybody picking Evra is clearly wrong, considering its a poll of the decade.

So Ronaldo couldn't be regarded as best winger of the decade because he hasn't been there for ten years? I don't think so.

GavRedKing

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So Ronaldo couldn't be regarded as best winger of the decade because he hasn't been there for ten years? I don't think so.

Considering this is the Left Back poll I dont think it has anything to do with Ronaldo, unless he has lined out for Utd at left back. I will argue my Ronaldo point when it comes to picking a winger.

RasTa

eagle eye wrote: »

We had players not in the poll before that was ridiculous but not having Mikael Silvestre in the poll is just too much.

Someone else on the ball with my same cheeky comment.

krankykitty

Well, if it boils down to years actually in the EPL during the decade, then surely the Neviller would win seeing as he's going around donkeys

Surely you can have a really impressive few years and still be considered a player of the decade (Ronaldo, anyone?)

It's Evra for me...

CHD

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

It's funny when Evra won the other poll beating Cole you dismissed the results as being down to United fans, yet you regard this poll as fine and dandy because Cole happens to be winning it.

Yeah I do, they are finally being sensible.

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Evra was named in the FifPro World XI team for 2009 which represents 42 associations worldwide. He was also named in the PFA Team of the Year in 2009 by his peers. Why do you think this is? Where is Cole? .

Since when is 2009 a decade? Funny how you are the only one saying he should be picked. At least the others had the sense to vote for him because he is a United player and then leave it a that.

SlickRic

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So Ronaldo couldn't be regarded as best winger of the decade because he hasn't been there for ten years? I don't think so.

um, no.

Ronaldo may have done enough in his few years to outdo all other RW. that will be arguable when that comes up.

in many people's opinion Evra has not done enough in the last 3 years to outstrip Cole's 10 years of consistency and often brilliance.

i voted for Evra in the other poll, but he has not done near enough to be classed as better than Cole over the last decade.

eagle eye

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So Ronaldo couldn't be regarded as best winger of the decade because he hasn't been there for ten years? I don't think so.

Dumb comparison.

Ronaldo wouldn't have anybody remotely close to him in terms of talent for the spot in right midfield.

Evra has been compared for the couple of years he has been in the league with Cole and its very close between them over Evra's time in the league, but Cole has been one of the top performers year after year this decade.

Mitch Connor

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

So Ronaldo couldn't be regarded as best winger of the decade because he hasn't been there for ten years? I don't think so.

no - that is not the point.

If there was a winger that was consistently regarded as one of the best in the world playing in the premiership for 6 years longer than Ronaldo had been, then yeah, they should probably be considered above Ronaldo.

IMO, there hasn't been though.

It isn't a case of Cole being an average full back who has been playing prem football for 10 years, it is a case of Cole being arguably the best LB for 6 years, and then (at worst, for arguments sake) 2nd best for 4.

I would say Evra has been better than Cole over the last 4 years, but not so substantially that it outweighs the previous 6 years completely.

Cole has been more often than not fantastic for 10 years. Evra for 3 and a half. In voting for a player of the decade, their contribution over the 10 years in comparison to his oppostion in the vote has to be taken into account.

CHD

There is no way Evra has been better every year since he joined. Cole was better in Evra's first season and last year.

Iago

CHD wrote: »

Cole was better in Evra's first season

This I'll give you.

CHD wrote:

and last year.

not a chance

Mitch Connor

CHD wrote: »

There is no way Evra has been better every year since he joined. Cole was better in Evra's first season and last year.

Evra was one of our star performers for the majority of last season. He had a bad patch March (like the rest of our team) but for most of the season he was fantastic.

Cole had his bad patch last year too, along with the rest of the chelsea side which ended up getting Scolari sacked.

CHD

Iago wrote: »

This I'll give you.



not a chance

Sorry its 2010 now. IMO he was better in 2008.

Mr. Guappa

Ashley Cole for me. Nothing between him and Evra over the last 4 years IMO but Coles sustained high standard over the first 6 years of the decade make this a no-brainer really.

Mr.Nice Guy

gavredking wrote:

Considering this is the Left Back poll I dont think it has anything to do with Ronaldo, unless he has lined out for Utd at left back. I will argue my Ronaldo point when it comes to picking a winger.

Your point was anyone who picked Evra was wrong as it was a poll of the decade (presumably your point is Cole should win as he has greater longevity). My point in response was when the poll for wingers comes along, would choosing Ronaldo be wrong since he doesn't have longevity on his side?

CHD wrote:

Since when is 2009 a decade? Funny how you are the only one saying he should be picked. At least the others had the sense to vote for him because he is a United player and then leave it a that.

2009 is part of the decade last time I checked and it's a part where both were in the Premier League at the same time.

What does it matter what others on the forum are saying? Besides you only voted for Cole as he's a Chelsea player didn't you? I certainly haven't seen any evidence of an argument because according to you one isn't necessary.

Slickric wrote:

um, no.

Ronaldo may have done enough in his few years to outdo all other RW. that will be arguable when that comes up.

in many people's opinion Evra has not done enough in the last 3 years to outstrip Cole's 10 years of consistency and often brilliance.

i voted for Evra in the other poll, but he has not done near enough to be classed as better than Cole over the last decade.

Ronaldo hasn't done enough? His goals tally suggests otherwise. The man was a goalscoring phenomenon.

Evra has been regarded by his peers in the game as better than Cole when the two have been playing at the same time. I don't think that point can be disputed when one looks at his individual and team accolades.

I would think when choosing the team of the decade you go for the best players in each position from that decade.

eagle eye wrote:

Dumb comparison.

Ronaldo wouldn't have anybody remotely close to him in terms of talent for the spot in right midfield.

Evra has been compared for the couple of years he has been in the league with Cole and its very close between them over Evra's time in the league, but Cole has been one of the top performers year after year this decade.

Well others seem to think Ronaldo does have players close to him in terms of talent so I see the comparison as valid.

Regarding the criteria for selection I think I dealt with that already.

Mitch Connor wrote:

no - that is not the point.

If there was a winger that was consistently regarded as one of the best in the world playing in the premiership for 6 years longer than Ronaldo had been, then yeah, they should probably be considered above Ronaldo.

IMO, there hasn't been though.

It isn't a case of Cole being an average full back who has been playing prem football for 10 years, it is a case of Cole being arguably the best LB for 6 years, and then (at worst, for arguments sake) 2nd best for 4.

I would say Evra has been better than Cole over the last 4 years, but not so substantially that it outweighs the previous 6 years completely.

Cole has been more often than not fantastic for 10 years. Evra for 3 and a half. In voting for a player of the decade, their contribution over the 10 years in comparison to his oppostion in the vote has to be taken into account.

What about Giggs? OK he didn't spend all his time on the wing but a perfectly valid debate could arise over taking Giggs based on his ten years of service or taking Ronaldo instead on the basis of his emphatic contribution over a shorter spell.

Some are dismissing Evra's chances on the grounds he wasn't there for the entire ten years. My view is that shouldn't count against him and that we should judge both players on their merits.

Johner

Iago wrote: »

not a chance

I thought Evra had a pretty poor second half to last season by his standards or was it the year before?

Anyway L.B of the decade is Ashley Cole for me.

As for now I'd pick Cole as well but Evra is damn close. The two best in the world by a long shot anyway, I just think Cole is better defensively and has been showing how good he is going forward this season.

PHB

Gotta be Ashley Cole. While Evra imo has been better than Cole since Cole joined Chelsea, Cole at Arsenal was better than Evra is now.

Was always going to happen in this poll though, favouring of people who have played longer.

GLaDOS

Cole, easily

starbelgrade

How did Phil Neville make that list??!

Muff_Daddy

Ashley Cole.

If the poll was left back of the 2nd half of the decade, I'd probably say Evra, but I think Cole's performances over the decade as a whole should be taken into account here.

SlickRic

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Some are dismissing Evra's chances on the grounds he wasn't there for the entire ten years. My view is that shouldn't count against him and that we should judge both players on their merits.

it's like you're not listening to what everyone is saying.

Evra in 3 years has not done enough to outstrip what Cole has done in 10.

there's not that much between them now, if anything.

so Cole's longevity in the league is a huge factor in this decision.

Ronaldo is a phenomenon and will probably win the RW slot, and rightfully so. there is also nobody worthy of challenging him, since nobody has been close to good enough for long enough, and there was nobody anywhere near his class in that position.

Evra is not a phenomenon, Cole is at his level, plus he's around 10 years in the league.

if Evra's shirt was blue and Cole's red, i suspect you'd be voting quite differently.