If Michael O'Leary ran the HSE....

alias06

Can you imagine?

Mr Benevolent

Yeah, it might work properly. Horror of horrors.

m@cc@

alias06 wrote: »

Can you imagine?

It's customary for the OP to at least have some opinion on their thread.

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alias06 wrote: »

Can you imagine?

Can you?

Buford T Justice

Yeah, we'd have to bring our own bedclothes to the hospital, pay for the jacks (discount for those on a kimode) water and food - All overpriced.


In saying that though, I wonder what the nurses calendar would look lije

Anything like the cabin crew one I wonder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80b5Pm6sf34

Edit, on second thought, probably more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_9YTl0QJQ

Riamfada

alias06 wrote: »

Can you imagine?

That depends, sometimes I close my eyes but the bad pictures come

AckwelFoley

He'd log on to boards.ie and read After hours for tips on how to run the HSE, save the country, clean up haiti and still manage the delicate trick of being able to fap while hanging from a tree stalking your neighbour whos studying for the leaving cert

alias06

m@cc@ wrote: »

It's customary for the OP to at least have some opinion on their thread.

I just wanted to get the discussion going but yes I can imagine it.

A doctor diagnoses a man with a terminal illness. The doctor says 'I'm afraid you're not going to make it.' The doc leaves a bottle of whiskey and a handgun on the table and then leaves the room, quietly closing the door behind him. His family are left with a massive bill.

genericguy

i prefer to think about "if michael o leary were in a room with me and a baseball bat, how long would he keep being a mouthy cnut?"

walshb

I can't say how well he would do; but one thing is for sure, the current crowd need a serious makeover. The HSE IMO needs a leader, a business leader with passion, direction. All the certs and degrees in the world doesn't mean you can lead.

A Bill Cullen or O'Leary or Tony O'Reilly are the types of persons that have proved that they can lead, delegate, motivate and shake things up. At the moment we have a doctor running a business. To me, this isn't working, not saying that just because you are a medical doctor means you cannot lead an organisation, but in this instance I think we need a business brain

Keano

I can imagine... :pac:

You want a bed? That'll be €50 a night.
You want a pillow? That'll be €10 a night

whippet

I can imagine alright:

- Hospitals located no where near the population mass
- No cost to be admitted, but everything else charged on an a al carte basis, so creating the two (or even three/four/ five) tier system that is so hated by the public
- the earlier you book your operation the cheaper, just make sure you don't need to attend a hospital in an emergancy - The charge would be a whopper!
- Operations and procedures cancelled for the most stupid of reasons, and patients having to re-book another appointment at a higer price.
- meals / drinks etc for in-patients would be over charged rubber muck.

.... i could go on ... but i'm sure there are others with more imagination !!

triple-M

we'd have to arrive there 2 hours before our scheduled appointment

smellslikeshoes

To be fair to him even if he doesn't have any experience in healthcare he couldn't make it much worse than it already is.

Lets not forget, he sucessfully runs the biggest airline in Europe and even if some of the things he comes out with are slightly bizarre Ryanair still provide exceptional bang for buck, something irish healthcare needs.

positron

Most of the bad things mentioned above

+

Everyone will get attention, treatment, help and assistance.
We will start taking patients from Europe, generating revenue.

AnonoBoy

I too listened to all the radio DJs discussing this this morning.

Now to recycle their jokes........

hooradiation

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

To be fair to him even if he doesn't have any experience in healthcare he couldn't make it much worse than it already is..

Oh yes he could.

walshb

hooradiation wrote: »

Oh yes he could.

I could well imagine Michale making people actually work, and work effectively.

You wouldn't have back logs near as bad. Consultants wouldn't be on tv programmes making a name for themselves (Crown). They'd be doing what we ****ing pay them to do, consult. Waiting lists wouldn't be two to three years for standard operations and consultations. The HSE is sewn up with bureaucracy.

stovelid

He would:

(delete where applicable)

"Tell it straight"

"Clear out the dead wood"

"Sock it to the begrudgers"

"Get them on their toes"

"Tell it how it is"

"Shake things up"

AnonoBoy

stovelid wrote: »

He would:

(delete where applicable)

"Tell it straight"

"Clear out the dead wood"

"Sock it to the begrudgers"

"Get them on their toes"

"Tell it how it is"

"Shake things up"

In addition he would also:

"Do a little dance"

"Make a little love"

"Get down tonight"

hooradiation

walshb wrote: »

I could well imagine Michale making people actually work, and work effectively.

You wouldn't have back logs near as bad. Consultants wouldn't be on tv programmes making a name for themselves (Crown). They'd be doing what we ****ing pay them to do, consult. Waiting lists wouldn't be two to three years for standard operations and consultations. The HSE is sewn up with bureaucracy.

Oh god, that's just precious.

The sooner people stop thinking that because O'Leary can run a cheap and nasty airline he's the perfect candidate for anything the better, because it's a ****ing asinine notion.

You want to know what health-care would be like with that shitheel in charge, look at the American system.
And if you think that's preferable then may god have mercy on you, because that health system certainly won't.

phasers

I like Michael O'leary, I heard him on the radio and he seems cool

walshb

hooradiation wrote: »

Oh god, that's just precious.

The sooner people stop thinking that because O'Leary can run a cheap and nasty airline he's the perfect candidate for anything the better, because it's a ****ing asinine notion.

You want to know what health-care would be like with that shitheel in charge, look at the American system.
And if you think that's preferable then may god have mercy on you, because that health system certainly won't.

Who said he was the perfect candidate?

He may fail; it's not a question that we know the answer to. I suspect he would do a better job than the current leader

hooradiation

walshb wrote: »

Who said he was the perfect candidate?

He may fail; it's not a question that we know the answer to. I suspect he would do a better job than the current leader

How?
He'll "make people work"?
By doing what waving his magic wand? The power of "Telling it like it is"?

He made his name nickel and diming people and cutting every possible corner, he's the worst candidate.

jdivision

He wouldn't pay radiographers triple overtime for working Sunday, the day most people probably break limbs given the amount of sport played. The HSE is a bloody shambles

Thinkingaboutit

alias06 wrote: »

Can you imagine?

All those nicely dressed bureaucrats in those ex-convent offices, might have do some work or go elsewhere. Oh the horror. A hospital department, if that's the name, will need admin people, but these large offices unconnected to any hospital need to go.

My name is URL

Fcuking hell, is there anything this man can't do?

Why doesn't he get into politics then? Because he knows he'd be shit, that's why.. He's only interested in his personal wealth, sure lets make him minister for finance

talking crap about how things are done on whine-line radio doesn't make a good politician

drdeadlift

jdivision wrote: »

He wouldn't pay radiographers triple overtime for working Sunday, the day most people probably break limbs given the amount of sport played. The HSE is a bloody shambles

that is scandalous! any dim witted cnut could save the hse department a **** load of money in no time.

walshb

drdeadlift wrote: »

that is scandalous! any dim witted cnut could save the hse department a **** load of money in no time.

Yes, but this carry on is all sewn up "legally." These guys are untouchable.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

stovelid wrote: »

He would:


"Clear out the dead wood"

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My fear is that these would be patients he'd be referring to. And they might not even be dead - just unprofitable.

Morlar

walshb wrote: »

I suspect he would do a better job than the current leader

+1

Can't stand the little runt but I agree he would clear out layers of bureaucracy and inefficiencies.

walshb

Morlar wrote: »

+1

Can't stand the little runt but I agree he would clear out layers of bureaucracy and inefficiencies.

I know what you mean. Well, even if he didn't succeed, you can ****ing bet that
O'Leary would have the balls and courage to give it a right good go. He wouldn't be
at all intimidated by the bureaucracy and shenadigans and wastage in the HSE.
He wouldn't be afraid to rattle cages, this has to be welcomed.

Drumm is a yes man, you can see it in his very body language and demeanor.
He seems too damn polite and nice to lead such a diseased organisation

orourkeda

Would he have a charity calendar with bikini clad nurses each year.

A novel way to help reduce heart disease i reckon

stovelid

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

My fear is that these would be patients he'd be referring to. And they might not even be dead - just unprofitable.

I should point out that I was sarcastically trying to anticipate some of the MOL-lovin' posts on this thread.

Mark200

My name is URL wrote: »

Fcuking hell, is there anything this man can't do?

Why doesn't he get into politics then? Because he knows he'd be shit, that's why.. He's only interested in his personal wealth, sure lets make him minister for finance

talking crap about how things are done on whine-line radio doesn't make a good politician

He has said many times that he won't go into politics because he doesn't think people would vote for him based on the fact that he doesn't say all the nice diplomatic stuff that politicians are supposed to say.

And, to be fair to him, he doesn't exactly go out of his way to comment on political issues on the radio. He is ASKED about them, so he gives his opinion.


I completely disagree with people suggesting that he'd somehow turn the Irish healthcare system into something like America's (does the head of the HSE even have that power?). Also people have said he knows nothing about running hospitals or healthcare or whatever... well he knew nothing about airplanes when he started getting involved with Ryanair, when he was given the task of cutting costs and making the airline efficient. His skills (and degree) are in finance. And that's what the HSE needs: someone to stop the waste in spending.

If he was given the job with the condition that the principle of free healthcare must be upheld then I'm confident he'd do a great job.

Someone made a comment about being charged for a bed or pillow... well is the care you receive significantly worse if you're on a trolley? In my opinion you go to a hospital to get better. And if sticking everyone on a pillow-less trolley means having enough money to treat more sick people at once, to hire more doctors, to get more equipment then I don't see what the problem with that is. It's a hospital not a hotel.
If people want a bed and pillow they could pay a novelty fee for it, and this would mean the hospital could afford even more doctors, medicines and equipment.

Dyr

I love the "some high profile bull****ter who's on the telly should run the gubberment/health service/nasa" posts. Why not go the full hog and suggest that Rainer von f**ing wolfcastle should run the health service? He'd take no sh*t I bet.:)

orourkeda

orourkeda wrote: »

Would he have a charity calendar with bikini clad nurses each year.

A novel way to help reduce heart disease i reckon

Its a double edged sword. It would increase blood pressure

BraziliaNZ

there should be a Godwin's law type rule that you lose any argument when you mention O'Leary running whatever organisation people are moaning about. You can't equate health/government departments to running a no-frills airline.

InReality

Gerry Robinson would be a brillant choice.

The HSE needs loads of things done , but this guy has all the ability to do it.

O'leary is a one-trick pony and the cancer guy would just be more of the same.

TheDuderino

Whats the name of that fella originally from Donegal, who managed a hospital in the UK? Turned it around from making a loss and made it more efficient by returning staff pride.
He was on the Late late some time ago.

That was someone who could have a great impact on the HSE.

Assuming Jabba the Hutt could be removed, staked.... salted....
(Would Harney react the same as a slug if we poured salt on her?)

Lopping Consultants pay down to a minor obsenity would help.

Stopping Harney ballixing everything so people can be sold on private hospitals is vital.

Pay in the HSE is weird. Alot of people earning muchos moola... and alot of other poor bastids, gratefull for the work, but getting paid low wages (25k).
Funny thing is, its the low paid in the HSE that do the lionshare of the work.

Ebbs

I think people have read little about Michael O'Leary...

Sure Ryanair is a budget airline, but hey they are the biggest in Europe. Non-Budget airlines are struggling to survive have a look at British Airlines, Japan Airlines (Who were recencly given 1.3bn to survive) and of course our own failing airline.

Air travel is a rather costly service to provide and to be gaining a huge profit while providing a service to a huge market...fair play to them.

I would rather be able to chose the add-ons I wish than have them thrown at me for the cost of a ticket on another airline. Some of the other arguements used here have been unreal, such as the food being "rubbery", honest does anyone expect a 5star dish on an airplane?

Michael O'Leary was voted European Business Man of the Year (by Fortune) before too, not many (if any) Irish businessmen can claim this award. Personally I have no idea why he would take the job, he would once again be berated for providing a better service than existed before, along with the fact im sure Ryanair pays considerably better than a struggling HSE.

Our current service is nearly 3rd world standards at this stage, it needs to be changed and it needs to happen now. Michael O'Leary could perhaps change it, but I am sure their are alot of other business (wo)men that could do the job just as well.

markpb

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

You can't equate health/government departments to running a no-frills airline.

That's not necessarily true. As long as government policy is enforced, there's no reason why it can't be run as an (effectively) private company.

The Luas lines are a shining example as a government service run by a private company. They get paid for running the service within guidelines, get penalised for providing a poor service and don't get to decide the service level (so they can't run no trams late at night) or the price (so they can't hike the fares).

Why could hospitals not be run on the same basis? A company are hired to run the hospital but don't get to decide the charges, the opening hours or other terms which could result in a poorer level of service for patients. They could be given bonuses for completing operations, etc or based on the number of out patients seen each day while simultaneously penalised for cancelling operations, having excessively long waiting lists or failing to provide an adequate level of service.

If nothing else, a hospital run by MOL would not have fully qualified electricians changing light bulbs and going on strike because someone else changed a lightbulb.

Mad_Max

I've no idea if he'd be good or bad at the job but I think just because he cuts corners for the consumer in his current field means he'd do it in the HSE is wrong.

He operates in an industry where losing millions is considered the norm, so to actually run a profitable company there's only one thing he can do, cut and charge.

I think if you put him in the HSE his approach would be different. We all know what his first plan would be and to be fair it'd probably be the same for any businessman. Cut the fat.

But sure isn't that what we all want?

beertons

Can you just imagine the shítstorm when he's confronted by all the unions! He'd go through them all.

syklops

markpb wrote: »

That's not necessarily true. As long as government policy is enforced, there's no reason why it can't be run as an (effectively) private company.

The Luas lines are a shining example as a government service run by a private company. They get paid for running the service within guidelines, get penalised for providing a poor service and don't get to decide the service level (so they can't run no trams late at night) or the price (so they can't hike the fares).

Why could hospitals not be run on the same basis? A company are hired to run the hospital but don't get to decide the charges, the opening hours or other terms which could result in a poorer level of service for patients. They could be given bonuses for completing operations, etc or based on the number of out patients seen each day while simultaneously penalised for cancelling operations, having excessively long waiting lists or failing to provide an adequate level of service.

If nothing else, a hospital run by MOL would not have fully qualified electricians changing light bulbs and going on strike because someone else changed a lightbulb.

I tried putting it better myself but couldn't.

Faithless

If I was in charge, I'd pile on taxes for the super wealthy to fix this crappy health care system and use France's as a model.

Dubh Geannain

There'd be no sick bags

Alessandra

I hope this isn't really a consideration for people..
Medical care is one area where we really couldn't afford to cut corners.
I could imagine under his leadership we'd only save money if we were bracketed into the right boxes and would probably pay more the sicker we were.

markpb

Alessandra wrote: »

I hope this isn't really a consideration for people..
Medical care is one area where we really couldn't afford to cut corners.

We haven't cut any corners. We have spent and spent and spent for decades and somehow we still have a god awful healthcare system. I'm speaking from experience btw, not just having a rant.

2007 - €14.9bn

2008 - €16.7bn

Mark200

Alessandra wrote: »

I could imagine under his leadership we'd only save money if we were bracketed into the right boxes and would probably pay more the sicker we were.

Or maybe the doctors would get paid less the sicker we are..

IvySlayer

Michael O'Leary is an absolute brillant businessman who's made millions for himself. I wouldn't trust him with the HSE though. The whole system needs to be changed.