Full Tilt 'Rush' Poker

tm2204

Anybody doenloaded the new FT software and played this yet?

I just had an hour session & thought it was good with no waiting around and straight into hands.

Chucky the tree

A few good points brought up on 2+2 that it's actually a terrible idea as fish can tighten up a bit knowing that if they fold they get a chance to play a hand straight away rather then having to wait.

mickc

so tm2204 = fish then??

Flushdraw

Its being discussed in the BBV atm

tm2204

mickc wrote: »

so tm2204 = fish then??

Quadrupled my buyin in less than an hour so I'll keep 'fishing' TYVM..

wannabecraig

Yeah, I'm up a BI after 5 hands... Still don't like it.

wannabecraig

Also, does this mean that the amount of players playing ring games will drop?
If so, really bad move on FTPs part.

tm2204

Another triple up on my buyin sfter 27 hands :eek:

tm2204

tm2204 wrote: »

Another triple up on my buyin sfter 27 hands :eek:

LOL, and just blew it all; my KK into AA.........................

digiman

I think its pure class. Great fun> It's also a great update from FTP. The increase in the min buyin is a great addition especially now that the min buyin at HU is also 35bb.

digiman

I also noticed that you can get really deep against some players as well and very few short stacks

wannabecraig

great for hit and running...

jimbling

just reading the thread on twoplustwo on this. Starts out everybody hating it, by the end everybody is loving it.

I'll give it a go later. I am going to join up FT anyway, so this should make it real easy to clear the bonus.

BigCityBanker

Full Tilt are so far ahead of the curve here that its just simply frightening. Also it is patent pending meaning that if you want to play rush poker you are going to have to play on Full Tilt. We cant even design hole cards properly and these guys are landing on the moon.

RoadSweeper

BigCityBanker wrote: »

We cant even design hole cards properly and these guys are landing on the moon.

That's NASA AFAIK.

jimbling

BigCityBanker wrote: »

Full Tilt are so far ahead of the curve here that its just simply frightening. Also it is patent pending meaning that if you want to play rush poker you are going to have to play on Full Tilt. We cant even design hole cards properly and these guys are landing on the moon.

yep, someone is going to be getting a serious bonus at FTP this year. Even if it is just a bit of a fad, it's going to bring a ton of new players to the tables.

Irish Iron

What is it?

shano_88

Irish Iron wrote: »

What is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5iVcbrO8mU

lucky-colm

Irish Iron wrote: »

What is it?

its mad
blew 20 bucks on it last night while waiting for my tournie to start:D

its a bit like multi tabling but it isn't
your avatar keeps jumping from one table to the next as soon as you finish your action at the current table no waiting for hands that you are not in to finish playing and then just to speed it up a bit more there is another button that allows you to fold early(without the rest of the table knowing)so you can move on to the next hand.

much better than multitabling imo. only thing is pt3 couldn't keep up with the action played 160 hands in about 15mins.

TigersBunker

Yet to try it, but must be very hard to get a read on any opponent or even know who they are,if you auto fold and move on. Your stats for this type of game are surely not worth entering into tracker software!? Could it even track, as only the hands that reach showdown will be recorded..

karlh

raketacular!

Slash/ED

I imagine it'll discourage fish but be heaven for RB grinding nits, which means the ring games should get better as a result if nothing else

jimbling

TigersBunker wrote: »

Yet to try it, but must be very hard to get a read on any opponent or even know who they are,if you auto fold and move on. Your stats for this type of game are surely not worth entering into tracker software!? Could it even track, as only the hands that reach showdown will be recorded..

It's impossible to take notes or read notes. things happening too fast.

Yes, tracker will record all hands, even if you don't finish out at that table.

jimbling

Slash/ED wrote: »

I imagine it'll discourage fish but be heaven for RB grinding nits, which means the ring games should get better as a result if nothing else

Why would it discourage fish? The general consensus is that it would be taking all the fish from the normal games.

jimbling

Well, gave it a go there.

Played it for less than half an hour. Put in 550 hands and am down 6 buy ins. (25NL).

It's friggin nuts. I ran set into higher set 3 times. Got sucked out with set of Jacks to overpair and ran KK into A10 on a 10 high board.

It really is crazy. Going to drop down to 10NL to get the hang of it. Not really sure what the optimal strategy is.

El Stuntman

excuse my ignorance; what is this and how does it work?

phantom_lord

**** that! i'm not playing it if it's rigged!

phantom_lord

El Stuntman wrote: »

excuse my ignorance; what is this and how does it work?

instead of sitting at a single table, you're part of a pool of players spread across multiple tables. as soon as you fold on your current table you're whisked off to another table to play another hand so you're in continous action.

El Stuntman

sounds crazy, I'll give this a go

Slash/ED

jimbling wrote: »

Why would it discourage fish? The general consensus is that it would be taking all the fish from the normal games.

Just can't imagine they'll enjoy the frantic nature of it, that's just a theory though I could be wrong. Fish are usually one tablers who log on for a bit of fun, I doubt they'll warm to the frantic action every few seconds aspect of it. They wouldn't see hands/hour as being something that'd even cross their mind.

curehead

just played it there thats one crazy game and of course got loads of action picked my spots good and lost 4 buy ins while dominating AA V 77 lost on river kk V j9 jack high flop river nine and got flushed away twice
but even still i think it was brilliant for a quick game when you get beat at least youre not fuming and chasing after the player trying to get it back you'll never see them again and by the time you do youll have well forgotten about it anyway. if you play low stakes like i do for fun it is ideal

jimbling

Slash/ED wrote: »

Just can't imagine they'll enjoy the frantic nature of it, that's just a theory though I could be wrong. Fish are usually one tablers who log on for a bit of fun, I doubt they'll warm to the frantic action every few seconds aspect of it. They wouldn't see hands/hour as being something that'd even cross their mind.

The reason fish play loads of hands is because they get bored sitting out waiting for the next hand to be dealt.

With rush tables, they can play one table. Every time they fold, they get shifted to another table and the hand begins immediately. No waiting around.
Also, for the slightly higher level of fish( that does know about hem and hud but doesn't use them...and hates everyone that does) there is the added advantage of the regs not being able to use hud.


I dropped 10 buy ins in total at 25NL. No idea if it was bad play or what... it's too crazy for me.
And not knowing anything about your opponents is just nuts. I suppose if you're playing long enough you will continue to meet the same characters. I know the same guy called to the river with FDs on me a few times.

Anyway, I suck at them.

lucky-colm

i love it up $50 at .50-$1 even thou i did drop $20 last night at it:D think i might start playing cash instead of tournie for a while.

its nearly as good as thoose super turbo 300 chip satallite tournies:D another crazy invention

TommyGunne

I imagine fish will become a lot tighter in this game because of what Slash/ed said.

Will have to give her a spin though!

TigersBunker

jimbling wrote: »

Well, gave it a go there.

Played it for less than half an hour. Put in 550 hands and am down 6 buy ins. (25NL).

It's friggin nuts. I ran set into higher set 3 times. Got sucked out with set of Jacks to overpair and ran KK into A10 on a 10 high board.

It really is crazy. Going to drop down to 10NL to get the hang of it. Not really sure what the optimal strategy is.

With so many hands per minute surely playing premiums only (9 handed) would turn a healthy profit. Am i missing something, but with a different set of opponents every hand whats the point in getting tricky or including any marginal hands?

TigersBunker

curehead wrote: »

just played it there thats one crazy game and of course got loads of action picked my spots good and lost 4 buy ins while dominating AA V 77 lost on river kk V j9 jack high flop river nine and got flushed away twice
but even still i think it was brilliant for a quick game when you get beat at least youre not fuming and chasing after the player trying to get it back you'll never see them again and by the time you do youll have well forgotten about it anyway. if you play low stakes like i do for fun it is ideal

Of course loads of action? I would argue the opposite and plr/flop averages over both (6max/FR) of 22.5% would suggest the same...

sorry misread GOT loads of action

pkaces

TigersBunker wrote: »

With so many hands per minute surely playing premiums only (9 handed) would turn a healthy profit. Am i missing something, but with a different set of opponents every hand whats the point in getting tricky or including any marginal hands?

Yeah but its a whole new level of premium hands i lost two buyins at 25NL QQ V AA and KK Vs AA. nothing but cold decks from what i seen

72over

shano_88 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5iVcbrO8mU

Short-stacking scumbag

Ace2007

wannabecraig wrote: »

great for hit and running...

but how does this work?

for example in a normal game - you buy in, double up first hand and leave table and buy in to another table - banking your profit.

but with this you constantly moving around, so are you sayin that one could sit in, win a couple of buyin's and then start the process again without sittin out for a period of time?

Chucky the tree

The variance will be a bit worse as well. It will be interesting to see how players adapt without a hud.

should the variance should be lessened ? More hands played lessens the impact of variance on your winrate?

I played very straightforwardly last night for 500hands at 10nl, ran way below expectation, and still managed to be up 4 buyins.

Being super aggro in the blinds and playing only optimum hands otherwise apart from the occasional steal was a big call.

Its very funny clicking raise UTG and the entire table has clicked "quick fold" and it just goes straight to the BB.

IMO, its a brilliant step.

jimbling

TigersBunker wrote: »

With so many hands per minute surely playing premiums only (9 handed) would turn a healthy profit. Am i missing something, but with a different set of opponents every hand whats the point in getting tricky or including any marginal hands?

Well, because you have guys calling preflop with atc adn hitting constantly. At this games the old adage is true for the premium hands. Win small, lose big.



I switched to 6-max and dropped to 10NL. Still down another 5BIs at that level, but man do I run bad. 4 or 5 times I got it in on the turn ahead only to lose.
Not a game to play when you're not running well or tilting in anyway.

jimbling

btw, there's guys on twoplustwo showing hand histories with these crazy preflop battles and getting it all in with crap. I haven't seen any of that.

Out of 3.1k hands played today, I was all in pre 3 times.


Another thing, I stopped auto-folding so much, and started opening from any position with almost ATC and CB 100%. With nobody watching, you take down the blinds a massive amount, and even when you get a caller or two your CB will take it down a lot.
Any play back and you give up.

It was working quite well, but just fcked myself over a few times with hands into hands and getting sucked out on.

Grafter

Ace2007 wrote: »

but how does this work?

for example in a normal game - you buy in, double up first hand and leave table and buy in to another table - banking your profit.

but with this you constantly moving around, so are you sayin that one could sit in, win a couple of buyin's and then start the process again without sittin out for a period of time?

You buy in for the minimum, double up, leave and can immediately buy back in for the minimum.

jimbling

Second run at the 25NL full ring games was much better.... got back 4 BIs.


Whatever about the mantra of never folding KK preflop in any game. I believe there is definitely times in this one where it is just. I ran KK into AA three times. Twice it was pretty obvious what he had and I could have folded.

I did fold QQ preflop quite a few times.

It's just amazing how fast you go through the hands if you really nit it up.... it really is amazing. Its going to be interesting to see how it continues and what the games will be like a week/month from now.

jimbling

jimbling wrote: »

Whatever about the mantra of never folding KK preflop in any game. I believe there is definitely times in this one where it is just. I ran KK into AA three times. Twice it was pretty obvious what he had and I could have folded.

Cold 5 bet AI?
Limp 3bet 5bet?

What actions? I'm just curious as to what you think "guarantees" AA? As I will start playing Junk like that vs good players.

jimbling

Deleted User wrote: »

Cold 5 bet AI?
Limp 3bet 5bet?

What actions? I'm just curious as to what you think "guarantees" AA? As I will start playing Junk like that vs good players.

You're doing that in these games? even when majority of 3bet / 4bet ranges are only premium??
And how do you know they are good players?

No I'm not doing it, I'm asking what the action was like in the hands that made you think you should fold KK.

I am playing incredibly aggressively from the blinds in the rush game, as in general, most players would assume that a 3bet from the SB vs an unknown is going to be a very strong hand. When the 3bets are getting called, I'm leading almost 100% of the time on A K or Q high flops. Its working so far at the lower limits, people aren't used to seeing aggression from SB/ BB.

MagicMarker

Just checked it out there, are there no 0.01/0.02 games?

jimbling

Deleted User wrote: »

No I'm not doing it, I'm asking what the action was like in the hands that made you think you should fold KK.

I am playing incredibly aggressively from the blinds in the rush game, as in general, most players would assume that a 3bet from the SB vs an unknown is going to be a very strong hand. When the 3bets are getting called, I'm leading almost 100% of the time on A K or Q high flops. Its working so far at the lower limits, people aren't used to seeing aggression from SB/ BB.

Is this in full ring or 6 max?

jimbling

I was definitely more profitable when I really tightened up pre flop. (in the full ring games...think you need to be aggressive in the 6 max games)