Shocking.

JONJO THE MISER

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/crime/gardai-move-closer-to-catching-killer-after-noisy-party-row-110003.html

GARDAÍ are confident of catching the man who pursued and fatally stabbed a Good Samaritan who was helping a friend tormented by noisy neighbours.

Detectives are identifying and talking to people with information about the murder, before they arrest the killer.

The killing of Warren O’Connor, aged 24, has traumatised his partner and family and has shocked the neighbouring communities of Coolock and Donaghmede.

The attack is all the more disturbing as his pursuers rammed the car he was driving, which was carrying a mother-to-be and a three-year-old child.

His murder was one of three violent deaths over last weekend, including a fatal gun attack on another man in Coolock on Saturday night.

Mr O’Connor went to The Beech apartment building at the Grattan Woods complex in Donaghmede after receiving a call from a friend there for help.

His friend, his pregnant partner and their three-year-old child, were having problems with a noisy party upstairs. They had tried to get the people to keep it down but were told to "f**k off".

They rang Mr O’Connor and two other friends, and they went to the apartment.

Garda sources said there was an altercation there, during which people at the party threatened to "sort them out" and a female occupant made a reference to using a knife on them.

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/crime/gardai-move-closer-to-catching-killer-after-noisy-party-row-110003.html#ixzz0d2kVCUIN

:mad: What kind of animals were these people, i dunno something needs to be done, the place is out of control.

M5

Who rings 3 friends to help sort out a noisy party upstairs? Never heard of 999?

Bandit12

Not surprised in the slightest. I've lived in Amsterdam,New York,London,Toronto and visited many other cities in my life and Dublin is the worst by far. The amount of scum in this city disgusts me. The Garda have lost control of the City due to no fault of their own. Weak justice system bolstered by civil rights dogooders have resulted in the scums ability to operate with impunity. This last year alone i've seen one guy knived at a public park in broad daylight as well as a Garda car stoned in the Rialto part of Dublin by a group of about 15 youth scum. it's time for a new harsher approach imo.

c - 13

M5 wrote: »

Who rings 3 friends to help sort out a noisy party upstairs? Never heard of 999?

999/112 is for emergencies, wouldn't class a noisy party as an emergency. If they had rang the Guards directly nothing would have been done anyway.

Danbo!

M5 wrote: »

Who rings 3 friends to help sort out a noisy party upstairs? Never heard of 999?

Who rams a car, with or without a child and pregnant woman inside,a number of times and then stabs someone? ****ing scum

Bandit12

M5 wrote: »

Who rings 3 friends to help sort out a noisy party upstairs? Never heard of 999?

The Garda would have most likely ignored the mans call for help.

TheZohanS

Bandit12 wrote: »

The Garda would have most likely ignored the mans call for help.

Noise is a civil matter, the Gardai are powerless and those thugs would have known it. Had they called the Garda and said that they feared for their safety or were threatened a unit would have been sent.

Little Acorn

Don't think the guards can do anything over noisy neighbours unfortunately.
They'll tell you to contact the landlord or council,and to keep a record of it.

Victor_M

Bandit12 wrote: »

Not surprised in the slightest. I've lived in Amsterdam,New York,London,Toronto and visited many other cities in my life and Dublin is the worst by far. The amount of scum in this city disgusts me. The Garda have lost control of the City due to no fault of their own. Weak justice system bolstered by civil rights dogooders have resulted in the scums ability to operate with impunity. This last year alone i've seen one guy knived at a public park in broad daylight as well as a Garda car stoned in the Rialto part of Dublin by a group of about 15 youth scum. it's time for a new harsher approach imo.

If Giuilini could turn one of the most dangerous places in the world around in a matter of years, Dublin should be a breeze, we just need, and this covers most of the problems in this country! THE POLITICAL WILL to make a difference, the lads in charge are so self absorbed as long as they are being treated like royalty they don't give a toss about the rest of the place (with the notable exception of a few decent hard-working politicians)

Little Acorn

I don't know if it's lack of sleep,or just if I'm so sick of hearing stories of people getting murdered over nothing,but I just feel like crying the more I think of this story. It just seems like the bad guys are always winning,and it both angers and depresses me.

Buford T Justice

Little Acorn wrote: »

Don't think the guards can do anything over noisy neighbours unfortunately.
They'll tell you to contact the landlord or council,and to keep a record of it.

+1
I called to report noise one night and I was told that they could send a car down, and ask them to keep the noise down, but they have no powers in this situation and that they can only ask, not tell or make them

Such dirty rotten scumbags of the lowest form of scum. How off the fecking radar do you have to be to chase someone down in a car and stab them to death because they asked you to turn the noise down. May the bastards burn in the fires of hell for all eternity!

Little Acorn

Fingers McGee wrote: »

+1
I called to report noise one night and I was told that they could send a car down, and ask them to keep the noise down, but they have no powers in this situation and that they can only ask, not tell or make them

Such dirty rotten scumbags of the lowest form of scum. How off the fecking radar do you have to be to chase someone down in a car and stab them to death because they asked you to turn the noise down. May the bastards burn in the fires of hell for all eternity![/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more.

padi89

M5 wrote: »

Who rings 3 friends to help sort out a noisy party upstairs?

I agree with this part, there was nothing going to come of this other than more confrontation.Calling friends (i presume heavies) to come in and sort it out is just plain stupid and was going to do nothing other than escalate the situation further.Terrible waste of a life i hope the person is caught soon.

AckwelFoley

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

i dunno something needs to be done, the place is out of control.

It has been rather common sadly.

I revert back to swedens policy in the 70's of forced spadeing of nacker children at birth.

It was frowned upon.

Sweden were on to something. They also invented the volvo

simu

Little Acorn wrote: »

Don't think the guards can do anything over noisy neighbours unfortunately.
They'll tell you to contact the landlord or council,and to keep a record of it.

Surely they should be able to, though?

This story is bizarre and horrific. I assumed when I first heard that it was an on-going dispute between neighbours that had escalated but no. It's hard to believe that people could kill so randomly. The killers must have been some bunch of poor impulse control psychos - how could you get so angry at a person knocking at your door that you would actually pursue them in a car? It's crazy.

M5

Stee wrote: »

Who rams a car, with or without a child and pregnant woman inside,a number of times and then stabs someone? ****ing scum

Absolutely! But u don't ring 3 people to help you sort out a noisy party! What can your motivation be? Oh they wont listen to me, maybe backup will diffuse the situation! I'm not condoning the incredible act of thuggery afterwards but if you have been told to "fcuk off" after asking your neighbours to keep it down the last thing you do is to up the ante by trying to intimidate them with backup! I'm suspicious of the "good Samaritan" tag being applied here! Feel there may be more to this than is being written! On the police thing they will call to tell you to keep it down. They are powerless in a matter of noise pollution but in an obviously threatening situation they have the power to do something

BluesBerry

M5 wrote: »

Who rings 3 friends to help sort out a noisy party upstairs? Never heard of 999?

The gaurds do FÚCK ALL when it comes to noisy neighbours

Little Acorn

simu wrote: »

Surely they should be able to, though?

This story is bizarre and horrific. I assumed when I first heard that it was an on-going dispute between neighbours that had escalated but no. It's hard to believe that people could kill so randomly. The killers must have been some bunch of poor impulse control psychos - how could you get so angry at a person knocking at your door that you would actually pursue them in a car? It's crazy.

I'd say it is some sort of ridiculous perceived "lack of respect" ****e that set them off.
It says in the article

Gardaí will track down those at the party, which include, according to sources, a number of "fairly serious criminals".

These people like to think they are untouchable and that everybody should fear and "respect" them.
Some seem willing to murder to maintain this frightening rep/status.
But you're right,it is still all fcuking crazy!

Edit:
When I say "These People", I just mean these types of people in general-ie people described as serious criminals, I'm from a different part of the country but there are scum like that in every county,who use fear to do whatever they want.

Muckie

Why is bein a Noisy neighbour a civil matter, could they not be done
for distrubing the peace. There for when asshole neighbours have there
thumping tunes coming thru the walls at 3am. Quick phone call to the
Gardai, they arrive music stops.

Buford T Justice

padi89 wrote: »

I agree with this part, there was nothing going to come of this other than more confrontation.Calling friends (i presume heavies) to come in and sort it out is just plain stupid and was going to do nothing other than escalate the situation further.Terrible waste of a life i hope the person is caught soon.

It certainly doesn't justify what happened.

Buford T Justice

Muckie wrote: »

Why is bein a Noisy neighbour a civil matter, could they not be done
for distrubing the peace. There for when asshole neighbours have there
thumping tunes coming thru the walls at 3am. Quick phone call to the
Gardai, they arrive music stops.

As I have said - Here, they can't force them to do it, only ask.

henryporter

I had a long heated discussion recently with a solicitor who was happy to accept the level of sentencing being passed on these scumbags because 'its the law'. How it is law to allow for people to be murdered like this and then the murderers be given a lenient sentence with leave to appeal etc. is totally beyond me. It's certainly not a deterrent. We need to up the sentencing, and get the scum working in chain gangs to repay society for putting them up. I'm even getting close to rethinking my ideas on execution when I see things like this.

BluesBerry

padi89 wrote: »

I agree with this part, there was nothing going to come of this other than more confrontation.Calling friends (i presume heavies) to come in and sort it out is just plain stupid and was going to do nothing other than escalate the situation further.Terrible waste of a life i hope the person is caught soon.

you presume heavies huh I wish people would stop presuming thing's you dont know what exactly happened that night can people not go and visit the friends without others presuming "heavies" are being called in
I take it you have never had to deal with scumbag noisy neighbour's I suffer from shítbag noisy neighbours and now this incident has terrified me now to do anything about it because the law is not on my side and if I call anyone for "SUPPORT" the risk losing their life

bonerm

snyper wrote: »

I revert back to swedens policy in the 70's of forced spadeing of nacker children at birth.

Well that snow isn't going to clear itself.

the_syco

Lets see...

A couples' neighbours were noisy.
The couple got their ex-defence forces mate over. He went up to probably ask them to lower the noise. He may or may not have seen something he shouldn't have. He got chased. Car was rammed off the road, and he was stabbed.

This shows one thing: if you have a problem with noisy scumbags the Gardai won't help, and your mates may get stabbed, so you have four options:
A) Ask them during the day to not be as noisy (asking them at night in front of their mates is stupid, and they'll tell you to "f**k off", so as to not loose face in front of their mates)
Move out
C) Ignore them
D) Declare war on them. Spray their apartment with an uzi, toss a 'nade into their apartment... Call the A-Team :P

M5

BluesBerry wrote: »

you presume heavies huh I wish people would stop presuming thing's you dont know what exactly happened that night can people not go and visit the friends without others presuming "heavies" are being called in
I take it you have never had to deal with scumbag noisy neighbour's I suffer from shítbag noisy neighbours and now this incident has terrified me now to do anything about it because the law is not on my side and if I call anyone for "SUPPORT" the risk losing their life

I'm not so sure, who else would you call in this situation? your Granny? Seriously! Who here would ring their friends to come help them sort out a noisy party after being told where to go the first time? There is no motive in my eyes other than to present a stick!

There is no way this escalated into what it did by someone asking them to keep it down. There has to be more to this!

Either way no justification for what ended up happening

0ubliette

M5 wrote: »

Absolutely! But u don't ring 3 people to help you sort out a noisy party! What can your motivation be?

I guess you do if youre an expecting mother with a 3 year old kid, who was previously told to '**** off' after asking them to keep it down, and you know the guards arent going to do anything about it.
Disgraceful anyway, it really is sickening just how cheap a life is to these people nowadays.

Millie

BluesBerry wrote: »

you presume heavies huh I wish people would stop presuming thing's you dont know what exactly happened that night can people not go and visit the friends without others presuming "heavies" are being called in
I take it you have never had to deal with scumbag noisy neighbour's I suffer from shítbag noisy neighbours and now this incident has terrified me now to do anything about it because the law is not on my side and if I call anyone for "SUPPORT" the risk losing their life

I totally agree with you. I too lived opposite scumbag neighbours and lived like a prisoner in my own home while they didn't give a f*ck about roaring, fighting and all sorts of ****e going down at all hours of the night.
I never called the Gardai for fear of retribution and after two years of hell I finally did make a call as I heard them saying they were going to steal my car.

For this my house was broken into, my car was stolen and my boyfriend was told by the scumbag mother "My (insert sons name) is going to get you, he's going down anyway so he doesn't care".
With that I had to leave my house and was even told by the Gardai to leave...so what kind of justice system is that??
I

raptorman

Little Acorn wrote: »

I'd say it is some sort of ridiculous perceived "lack of respect" ****e that set them off.
It says in the article

These people like to think they are untouchable and that everybody should fear and "respect" them.
Some seem willing to murder to maintain this frightening rep/status.
But you're right,it is still all fcuking crazy!

Edit:
When I say "These People", I just mean these types of people in general-ie people described as serious criminals, I'm from a different part of the country but there are scum like that in every county,who use fear to do whatever they want.

These people are untouchable. Its not like they have some God given right. They are just willing to do what your average joe wont do. They have no problem killing people on a whim. Its nothing to do with numbers or skills just the will to do fukced up sh!t to other people.
The state then is to worried about human rights and PC crap to sort the problem out. We have a Ranger Wing in the army, give them a free reign on criminality on the city. I'm talking about survillence to build up a file on people and then going in and executing them. SAS Loughgall style.
People say violence doesnt work, thats just because not enough of it is being used.

thomond2006

That's shocking.

R.I.P.

Ickle Magoo

Why can't they introduce legislation that covers noisy neighbours and the like - they have no issue giving the green light to build crappy houses with paper walls left, right and centre - why can't they have the gumption to ensure the law protects the people living in close proximity to each other?! :mad:

Ramming someones car off the road and stabbing them when they are with their pregnant partner and toddler - good grief, I despair.

WindSock

It was 11 O Clock on a Saturday, hardly 'all hours'

I am not defending the scum by the way, they are scum.

Perhaps if the pregnant woman went up, they might have quietened down instead of being threatened by 1 guy. But maybe she had made repeated requests before, who knows.

How did they manage to stab him in the car?

Clare Bear

A friend of mine was very good friends with him. They're all in shock, such a waste of a young life. RIP Warren.

GaryORLFC

Pure scum.

1 gun and a few bullets, that's all I have to say...

helimachoptor

Honestly it really is time for the citizen, or failing that we need one of these
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/10/08/2008-10-08_reallife_super_heroes_prowl_new_york_str.html

BraziliaNZ

regardless of what the man said when he went upstairs, these people have no regard for anyone but themselves and stabbing someone is no big deal to them. They have no respect for people or authority or even life. There's something fundamentally wrong in our society if we produce animals like this. I wish I knew a solution but I don't.

helimachoptor

WindSock wrote: »

It was 11 O Clock on a Saturday, hardly 'all hours'

I am not defending the scum by the way, they are scum.

Perhaps if the pregnant woman went up, they might have quietened down instead of being threatened by 1 guy. But maybe she had made repeated requests before, who knows.

How did they manage to stab him in the car?

Honestly you'd think that but she probably would have been pushed against and wall and told to f**k off, the days of respecting people are long over imo.

Buford T Justice

the_syco wrote: »

D) Declare war on them. Spray their apartment with an uzi, toss a 'nade into their apartment... Call the A-Team :P

Oh god no. Don't call them. They'll show up, smoke some cigars, say SUCKA a few times, build a flame thrower etc......

But no one ever gets shot. That'd defeat the purpose.

I say Cuck Norris is the the best bet.

Dublin_Gunner

Its an absolute disgrace that this sort of thing can happen.

We've become to bloody soft as a society, and these scummers go through their whole lives without being told off by anyone.

Revert back 20 or 30 years and most men would have no issues telling someone where to go if they were acting the b0ll0x.

These days people are too 'afraid' even to tell some little teenage scummer to f off, or give him a slap for doing something.

Thats why these scummers go on like they do - they've been their whole lives acting like this without one person saying anything to them.

If someone was being attacked in broad daylight, on Grafton Street or O'Connell street, noone would step in or say anything.

That use to not be the way.

M5

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

regardless of what the man said when he went upstairs, these people have no regard for anyone but themselves and stabbing someone is no big deal to them. They have no respect for people or authority or even life. There's something fundamentally wrong in our society if we produce animals like this. I wish I knew a solution but I don't.

who said he just said something! u don't know! I'm speculating, your speculating! Coulda lamped the noise maker one! Maybe the chap did just go up and politely ask for them the be quiet. Other possibility is the "shut the fcuk up or i'll bate ya" approach. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough! Condolences to the family if this was a case of a good samaritan helping out! This all hinges on what your definition of helping out is i suppose!

BraziliaNZ

M5 wrote: »

who said he just said something! u don't know! I'm speculating, your speculating! Coulda lamped the noise maker one! Maybe the chap did just go up and politely ask for them the be quiet. Other possibility is the "shut the fcuk up or i'll bate ya" approach. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough! Condolences to the family if this was a case of a good samaritan helping out! This all hinges on what your definition of helping out is i suppose!

even if he said he wants to f*ck his mother in the ass it doesn't justify a knife in your throat ffs!

M5

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

even if he said he wants to f*ck his mother in the ass it doesn't justify a knife in your throat ffs!

You missed my point! He may not have just said something!

Could have pulled the knife.....

More speculation and conjecture of course, just illustrating my point

neilthefunkeone

BluesBerry wrote: »

The gaurds do FÚCK ALL when it comes to noisy neighbours

Horrible situation this..

But above point, The Guards can do something.. Was at a party a few years ago.. Was fairly late and noisy.. Guards drove up walked into the house and moved most of the people out.. Party broken up...

They can if they try!!

M5

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Horrible situation this..

But above point, The Guards can do something.. Was at a party a few years ago.. Was fairly late and noisy.. Guards drove up walked into the house and moved most of the people out.. Party broken up...

They can if they try!!

And they do, have to admit being at 2 parties where it happened when i was in college.

Cops arrive!
Go home lads!
Job done!
No heavies, no murders, no car ramming, no stabbing

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the_syco wrote: »

D) Declare war on them. Spray their apartment with an uzi, toss a 'nade into their apartment... Call the A-Team :P

Fingers McGee wrote: »

Oh god no. Don't call them. They'll show up, smoke some cigars, say SUCKA a few times, build a flame thrower etc......

But no one ever gets shot. That'd defeat the purpose.

I say Cuck Norris is the the best bet.

No more jokes, please.

Do you really think it's appropriate to be this glib so soon after such a tragic event?

padi89

Fingers McGee wrote: »

It certainly doesn't justify what happened.

Did i say it did?:rolleyes:

Dublin_Gunner

M5 wrote: »

And they do, have to admit being at 2 parties where it happened when i was in college.

Cops arrive!
Go home lads!
Job done!
No heavies, no murders, no car ramming, no stabbing

But then again, for some reason I doubt you were at the sort of party where the Gardai may have gotten a slap, or where you had murderers and criminals attending.

Millie

WindSock wrote: »

It was 11 O Clock on a Saturday, hardly 'all hours'

I am not defending the scum by the way, they are scum.

Perhaps if the pregnant woman went up, they might have quietened down instead of being threatened by 1 guy. But maybe she had made repeated requests before, who knows.

How did they manage to stab him in the car?

Sorry but are you out of your brain??? Sending a pregrant woman up to a pack of scumbags.......

M5

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

But then again, for some reason I doubt you were at the sort of party where the Gardai may have gotten a slap, or where you had murderers and criminals attending.

The gardai are trained in dealing with confrontational situations! Different situation! Which is why you call them to deal with. Upping the ante by introducing a confrontational element, be it deliberate or accidental, is the wrong thing to do. Another consideration is that the Gardai were called, not something that is being considered! Perhaps the ppl had no option but to seek outside assistance.....

Try my best not to slap gardai! generally not a good idea!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

TheZohan wrote: »

Noise is a civil matter, the Gardai are powerless and those thugs would have known it. Had they called the Garda and said that they feared for their safety or were threatened a unit would have been sent.

I am not 100%, but would there not be some public act they could use? I mean, it's illegal to honk your horn after a certain time, no? How is a house party any differant?

Anyway, the only way to deal with these scumbags is to round them all up and bury them alive... that would learn them.

Millie

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

Horrible situation this..

But above point, The Guards can do something.. Was at a party a few years ago.. Was fairly late and noisy.. Guards drove up walked into the house and moved most of the people out.. Party broken up...

They can if they try!!

The difference here being that the Guards were dealing with rational people.