Gaming Mice

superfly

I have a Logitech MX518 but am thinking of going to the G9 for extra twitchiness

what mouse are you currently using and are you a mouse lifter (ooer missus!) or a high dpi user?

Funky

razor deathadder > all

high dps is completely pointless btw. you are much better off going for 900 dps and then customize it in game and on windows. you want smoothness and exactness, not ultra high XXX with added peanut butter

SeantheMan

People are one side or the other, Razor or Logitech.

Its whatever feels good in your hand tbh. Each to his own

Logitech G5 for me, can't be dealing with wireless, and the G9 looks to blocky for my liking

My advice would be, whatever mouse you do get, make sure you splash on a decent mousepad, it makes the difference..I mean a large one, like Steelpad series.

Skittle

I still use my trusty MX518. I tried some of the laser mice like the G5, but I lift the mouse when playing and I found that the laser would still track when I lifted the mouse which was a disaster for me. Does anyone know of any mice that don't do this?

Nehaxak

Logitech G9 here, had it since release and love it.
I hate razor mice, hate them, very poor workmanship and always feel cheap and play like crap. Bought the Mamba and within a week it was smashed off the wall, useless piece of crap mouse :mad:
Went back to my trusty G9 and still using it.
G9x version out now I think also.

I was tempted at one stage by the Coolermaster Sentinal mouse but just can't part with the G9, yet

nix

I agree with the above razer comments, except the razer deathadder. It is the best mouse ive ever used


logitech to me feel like novelty mouses, too big and feel and look cheap :cool:

Dante

I've been using the Razer Diamondback for a couple of years now and I love it, can't really fault it at all. As people said above, its down to personal preference. I don't like the feel of the G9 or the mx518 nor do I like wireless mice so I went with Razer.

CutzEr

I use the CM (Cooler master) storm.

Nothing better, lemme tell ya..

It is a great mouse, looks great, has lots of buttons, you can put your own picture on the mice, can change DPI in less than a second..

My only complaint is that it is very hard to press down mouse3.. You get used to it after about a week, and after that it is smooth sailing. If anything, it will make your index finger stronger, as it has mine. I would seriously recommend this mouse.

Maximilian

Nehaxak wrote: »

Logitech G9 here, had it since release and love it.
I hate razor mice, hate them, very poor workmanship and always feel cheap and play like crap. Bought the Mamba and within a week it was smashed off the wall, useless piece of crap mouse :mad:
Went back to my trust G9 and still using it.
G9x version out now I think also.

I was tempted at one stage by the Coolermaster Sentinal mouse but just can't part with the G9, yet

Got a razer something or other and initially loved it but I had issues with it becoming momentarily unresponsive. Tried updating the firmware and the updater bricked it completely. Won't go near Razer again.

Bought a Logitech G9 instead. Great mouse & I'd totally recommend it. Can't go wrong with Logitech as far as I'm concerned. I have a G15 keyboard which is great and G35 headset which is also great.

Burgo

Stick with the mx518 and up your sens,sorted.

leninbenjamin

Logitech MX518 owner here.

In my opinion, different brands suit different hand shapes. Having tried Razor and MS gaming mice before they just don't suit the shape of my (relatively big) hands, the button layout feels exceptionally cramped. I've noticed in recent years the Logitech shape seems to have shrunk but they still are the most comfortable I can find to suit my hands.

i_am_dogboy

I was using razer mice for years, while I do like the design and weight of them, the drivers are garbage. My diambondback for example, will cause a bluescreen on my vista setup if I resume from hibernate. On xp it regularly forgets my button layout while the computer is up and running. Haven't tried it in windows 7 yet but I can't imagine it being any different from vista.

I went for a g9 recently(it was cheap on komplett) and I'm relatively happy with that. The weights are a pretty stupid idea and sit right at the back of the mouse, creating this unpleasant drag, which is worth considering if you like a heavier mouse. I don't like that they're giving you everything in one box as what's essentially a build your own gaming mouse kit, seems lazy when they could have just playtested with the things and picked a surface and an amount of weight for it. Saying that, I do like the feel of the "comfort" surface more for doing non gaming stuff at the computer. Having the on the fly sensitivity has actually turned out to be more useful outside of games, it's a bit of a godsend for my inkscape work.

I'm a fingertip gamer, usually I set the dpi up way high and barely move the mouse for shooters, both razer mice I've had have been better suited to this than the logitech, which even at base weight is taking some getting used to for me.

cherryghost

had a g9 and reverted back to my g5. i love it. used the razer deathadder too, fantastic mouse

seclachi

I got a microsoft habu recently to replace a dodgy saitek GM3200. Its a very comfortable mouse, and it has what I need: extra buttons. Sensitivity is good and has the buttons to adjust it quickly, but I`m not the CS type who has a 10k DPI mouse.

Sephiroth_dude

Was thinking of buying a G9,where can I get one at a good price?

thebman

I don't really use a gaming mouse.

I use a wireless Toshiba Laser mouse. I know people will go on wireless = lag but not really when your talking about something like a wireless mouse. Maybe 1-2ms and that isn't going to make any difference TBH. I don't play competitively anyway, just for fun so if it does get me killed, I don't care :P I'm usually top 2-3 on most servers I play on anyway. Ping time has a much bigger effect than anything else really IMO.

It has 8 buttons in good locations and a DPI changing session. I usually play on max sensitivity as I don't like lifting the mouse when I play. I usually have high sensitivity in windows and in game too. I like to spin 360 with about an inch of movement. It works very well in TF2 for catching spies sneaking up behind

My main gripe is some of the buttons have pre-defined uses that can't be overwritten on the mouse. I use the DPI settings to reduce the sensitivity when playing sniper to a more reasonable level. I mostly use medium DPI setting but will put it to high if playing Medic or pyro.

Kinetic^

Razer Death Adder. First one last me 2 years which was quite a lot of gaming time. Picked up a second one without even looking at any others, it just works well for me.

kearneybobs

I am using the G9 and have been using it for over a year now. It is the best mice I have ever used. EVER!

It is so customisable. There are two different grips that have different shapes thant are designed to fit a certain purpose, but I usually stick with the one and dont bother changing them. There is some customizable weights system in it. Loaded up the weights, as I like a heavy mouse. Perfect positioning of the button that allows on the fly changing of the DPI.
The mouse is still relatively expensive but if you can afford it, go with it. You will not regret it.

Grim.

G9 here just like the weight of it the razor mice are just to light. i know that might sound odd but its what i prefer

oceanclub

"I know people will go on wireless = lag but not really when your talking about something like a wireless mouse. Maybe 1-2ms and that isn't going to make any difference TBH"

It's not so much the lag I hate as the fact that wireless mice cut out every so often - bad enough when I'm just going work, but if I'm doing something important (ie, gaming online), it would be infuriating.

Not sure why mice need to be wireless - it's not like I'm going anywhere with it.

P.

Jazzy

"I know people will go on wireless = lag but not really when your talking about something like a wireless mouse. Maybe 1-2ms and that isn't going to make any difference TBH."

yes it does

Overheal

thebman wrote: »

I don't really use a gaming mouse.

I use a wireless Toshiba Laser mouse. I know people will go on wireless = lag but not really when your talking about something like a wireless mouse. Maybe 1-2ms and that isn't going to make any difference TBH. I don't play competitively anyway, just for fun so if it does get me killed, I don't care :P I'm usually top 2-3 on most servers I play on anyway. Ping time has a much bigger effect than anything else really IMO.

It has 8 buttons in good locations and a DPI changing session. I usually play on max sensitivity as I don't like lifting the mouse when I play. I usually have high sensitivity in windows and in game too. I like to spin 360 with about an inch of movement. It works very well in TF2 for catching spies sneaking up behind

My main gripe is some of the buttons have pre-defined uses that can't be overwritten on the mouse. I use the DPI settings to reduce the sensitivity when playing sniper to a more reasonable level. I mostly use medium DPI setting but will put it to high if playing Medic or pyro.

Wireless Mouse lag is a myth thats been carried over from the Generation 1, Infrared etc. Wireless devices of 5 and 10 years ago. Everythings bluetooth and 2.4ghz and 5.6ghz now with a much better advancement of the tech. The existing latency of 1ms or less is entirely negligible.

Krieg

Poll done a while back

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055636897&highlight=mice

G5 is the best imo

witnessmenow

Jazzy wrote: »

"I know people will go on wireless = lag but not really when your talking about something like a wireless mouse. Maybe 1-2ms and that isn't going to make any difference TBH."

yes it does

To the average gamer i doubt it... im not going to get magically better at a game by getting a wired mouse

Jazzy

Overheal wrote: »

Wireless Mouse lag is a myth thats been carried over from the Generation 1, Infrared etc. Wireless devices of 5 and 10 years ago. Everythings bluetooth and 2.4ghz and 5.6ghz now with a much better advancement of the tech. The existing latency of 1ms or less is entirely negligible.

it exists. ive tested it loads of times. if you want the best out of your mouse you need a wire attached to it. a good mousepad also makes a world of difference.

ms IE 3.0 is also a fantastic mouse and is cheaper too. the mouse of choice for so many actual professional gamers

Skittle

Does anyone know if the G9 mouse tracks when you lift it off of the mouse mat?

Nehaxak

Skittle wrote: »

Does anyone know if the G9 mouse tracks when you lift it off of the mouse mat?

It does a little yes.

Pugsley

Jazzy wrote: »

ms IE 3.0 is also a fantastic mouse and is cheaper too. the mouse of choice for so many actual professional gamers

This man speaks truth!

Never cared for the shape of Logitech or Razor mice, but the intelli 3.0 is just perfect (but the later models blow massive chunks - especially the smooth scroll, horrid for gaming).

jaggeh

so far ive had logitech mice, and i can take em or leave em they feel like im holding a cinder block and are uncomfortable in my hand.

ive had a microsoft intellimouse (laser) good all rounder very reliable.

but my pride and joy's are my
copperhead
Diamondback
and what im using now the Lachesis

i love these mice, i still use the diamondback with my laptop, the copperhead i gave to a friend years ago.

Nehaxak

One of the more stranger mice I've had in the pic beside my G9. It's a solar powered wireless mouse :pac:
Brought it with me whenever I was working in Africa or wherever there was decent sunshine. Not that I ever used it much, more of a gimmick but it did charge up and works pretty well.

TheDoc

Overheal wrote: »

Wireless Mouse lag is a myth thats been carried over from the Generation 1, Infrared etc. Wireless devices of 5 and 10 years ago. Everythings bluetooth and 2.4ghz and 5.6ghz now with a much better advancement of the tech. The existing latency of 1ms or less is entirely negligible.

Ask anyone with half an IT brain, and they would tell you, if you had the choice, pick wired over wirless, everytime. BETTER everytime!

I use a logitech mx518 myself, have been for a few years, and see no reason to change. Tempted with a razor, but they seem overpriced and small

gizmo

Originally had a Razer Diamondback for about 4 years until it finally kicked the bucket with a known internal wiring flaw. Replaced it with the newer Copperhead and I love that too. Haven't tried the Deathadder but I've heard really good things about it.

As for Logitech, they're not my cup of tea as I prefer a smaller mouse. Most of my mates have them and swear by them however.

Fact of the matter is, you need to test both types (Razer and Logitech) and see which fits. There's no chance of making an informed decision otherwise.

Overheal

TheDoc wrote: »

Ask anyone with half an IT brain, and they would tell you, if you had the choice, pick wired over wirless, everytime. BETTER everytime!

Mathematically yes. In practice, this latency of at most, 2ms and frequently >1ms, is Negligible. Unnoticeable, even. You'll still be on top of scoreboards.

And I like to think I do have half an IT brain, mind you.

SeantheMan

Gaming mousemat makes a difference, can't reccomend steelpad enough

humanji

It doesn't matter what mouse I use. I'm just that good!

and I stick to turn based strategy so I'm not brought down my bad reflexes *cough*

Seriously though, mice generally don't make a difference to me, I'll use whatever is there. I'm currently still using the MX Revolution and still love it.

i_am_dogboy

humanji wrote: »

Seriously though, mice generally don't make a difference to me, I'll use whatever is there. I'm currently still using the MX Revolution and still love it.

While a lot of people would contend your point, you're right about it not making a difference, I know having a better mouse doesn't make me any better, I just like having new toys. When I had my ****ty ps2 mouse and no money, I was playing games quite competitively and successfully, similarly one of the better left 4 dead 2 players I play with uses some 6 euro laptop mouse he got in argos a few years ago.

thebman

TheDoc wrote: »

Ask anyone with half an IT brain, and they would tell you, if you had the choice, pick wired over wirless, everytime. BETTER everytime!

People in IT with half a brain assess the requirements and make a recommendation based on that and will tell you the pro and cons of that choice.

How is the 1-2ms loss really going to effect you? I'd wager you don't have a grasp on how short a period of time it really is.

An average persons reaction time is about .15 of a second (if your faster than this, good for you, I know I am :P). That is 150ms. Bumping that up by 2ms is unlikely to effect the outcome even if there was no lag/latency between you and the other user and he/she was using a wired mouse.

Spunog UIE

Just to chime in on the G9. I've had it ages now and its awesome. Felt as big a jump from whatever crap mouse I was using to the original mx500. Can't say enough about it, comfortable in the hand, perfect response and smooth.

I also liked the Razer Diamond back in the day definite the a bargain buy.

Oh and to mix things up...a warning. Do not ever get the Razer Lachesis. Its one of the worst mice I ever had. Truly terrible and utterly expensive disappointment.

TheDoc

thebman wrote: »

People in IT with half a brain assess the requirements and make a recommendation based on that and will tell you the pro and cons of that choice.

How is the 1-2ms loss really going to effect you? I'd wager you don't have a grasp on how short a period of time it really is.

An average persons reaction time is about .15 of a second (if your faster than this, good for you, I know I am :P). That is 150ms. Bumping that up by 2ms is unlikely to effect the outcome even if there was no lag/latency between you and the other user and he/she was using a wired mouse.

My point made the distinction between wireless and wired.

so you agree that a wired mouse performs better, only slightly, but it does perform better...

PogMoThoin

I went from Logitech wireless mx1000 to Saitek gm3200 wired mouse and there's no way I'd ever go back to a wireless mouse for gaming, its very noticable. The young fella still uses the wireless one, I just hate it now, its fine for browsing, just not for gaming

thebman

TheDoc wrote: »

My point made the distinction between wireless and wired.

Not really, you said wired was better everytime. When you can't be near equipment the wires will be a pain and the performance decrease from going wireless being negligible means that your putting up with the hassle of wires for pretty much no difference.

It is completely subjective which is better in that circumstance.

so you agree that a wired mouse performs better, only slightly, but it does perform better...

It depends on the application. You have to read though to see what I'm saying and stop just assuming your right :rolleyes:

Jazzy

no bman, im afraid wired mice kick the ass off of wireless ones. when you are really pushing your response times to the limit then you dont use a wireless, simple as. name me one professional player that uses a wireless and i might entertain the argument. posting a few numbers on this thread doesnt make a lick of difference, playing whatever game does and wireless mice do not cut it at the high end of gaming.

monitor lag (tft)
internet connection lag
human lag

you dont need to add mouse lag to this and you shouldnt

AlmightyCushion

I'm using the logitech G500 and I find it great. I really like the really spinny scroll wheel. very hand when browsing.

Nehaxak

In regards to lag and improving response times etc., even in World of Warcraft there is an addon/mod you can get that casts a spell/heal/ability when you press the corresponding key, rather than cast it after you release the key which is normally the case. Depending on the player and so, it can save a massive amount of time between reacting to cast an ability/spell to when it is actually cast.
If people will go to an extreme like that, in a game where it's not so much a twitch response as in an FPS, you can bet a good player will take a top end wired mouse over a wireless jobby to shave a few Ms off their response times.

Besides all that, there's nothing worse than your batteries running out in the wireless in the heat of a fight :mad:

the_syco

Have a Razer Deathadder. It's nice. IMO, get one that you like the feel of. Go INTO the shops, and hold the mouse, before you buy it. This can make all the difference.

SeantheMan wrote: »

Gaming mousemat makes a difference, can't reccomend steelpad enough

Agreed. Got this a while back - it's great. No more having to slide over the same small bit of pad to turn around

i_am_dogboy

Jazzy wrote: »

no bman, im afraid wired mice kick the ass off of wireless ones. when you are really pushing your response times to the limit then you dont use a wireless, simple as. name me one professional player that uses a wireless and i might entertain the argument. posting a few numbers on this thread doesnt make a lick of difference, playing whatever game does and wireless mice do not cut it at the high end of gaming.

monitor lag (tft)
internet connection lag
human lag

you dont need to add mouse lag to this and you shouldnt

Seems you've eaten a few too many logitech press releases or something, his point is valid, the response time is small enough that you wouldn't notice the difference, you might have it in your head that you would, but you wouldn't.

docdolittle

I have a logitech G9 and a roccat sense mouse pad, it's been awesome until recently... My scroll wheel stopped working, now I've to find how to fix it! To Google!:p

thebman

Jazzy wrote: »

no bman, im afraid wired mice kick the ass off of wireless ones. when you are really pushing your response times to the limit then you dont use a wireless, simple as. name me one professional player that uses a wireless and i might entertain the argument. posting a few numbers on this thread doesnt make a lick of difference, playing whatever game does and wireless mice do not cut it at the high end of gaming.

monitor lag (tft)
internet connection lag
human lag

you dont need to add mouse lag to this and you shouldnt

Mouse lag is by far the smallest of those lag elements. Human lag is the biggest. If your going to worry about mouse lag, you should be worrying about how much energy must be placed on the button to press it as it is probably causing about as much of a delay.

Your right that people that obsess over eliminating lag will not accept wireless mice, doesn't mean the mouse lag is having any effect on the outcome.

I use a wireless keyboard and mouse now and I've not noticed any decrease in my ability to play and I play against people that play competitively. People here are obviously struggling to realise how long 2ms is.

When added to the other lag elements you have to put up with it just makes it looks as insignificant as it is.

Pro gamers will not accept it, that is a small subsection of people that play games with very specific requirements, for the vast majority of people it will make absolutely no difference whatsoever. Even for pro gamers, the vast majority of the time it will have had no difference on the outcome if they were using wireless over wired.

Honestly it matters so little its not worth arguing about. Different people have different requirements. Pro gamers are paranoid about lag so will try to eliminate it everywhere regardless of it has an effect. That is a very specific requirement for a small subset of people.

That is why all the consoles went Wireless, wireless has come on a lot and is much more robust than when it first arrived on the market for user peripherals like keyboards and mice. I've used both and the biggest problem with wireless devices isn't the lag, its the requirement of batteries and once they drop below a certain level, they will not be able to transmit properly and thats when the lag occurs and you need to change the batteries.

Just a pain to feed them batteries but they last for ages these days on batteries anyway.

Jazzy

i_am_dogboy wrote: »

Seems you've eaten a few too many logitech press releases or something, his point is valid, the response time is small enough that you wouldn't notice the difference, you might have it in your head that you would, but you wouldn't.

OR i have actually tested it myself and then had a mate test it too...
he was using a G7 and then i had him use the G5 (same mouse only with a wire) and he noticed his aim improve. this is down to a few things, not just the "2ms" which ppl here seem to be using as some sort of 'unstoppable fact'. the wire acts also as a balance to the mouse letting you feel it a lot better and gives you a sense of security, all which have factors in how you aim.

as cooller said recently in IEM when he was hitting 70% rail accuracy, its all about feeling the mouse. confidence in you and the equipment, with that your performance improves. its the same reason that when you play at the highest level you dont want to be playing on a tft monitor. ever notice the fact that those starcraft guys in korea only play on big old crts ? same thing. "but this tft is only 4ms" doesnt make a difference, it is slower and you do notice.

in all, wireless for fun, wired for f**king

thebman wrote: »

Even for pro gamers, the vast majority of the time it will have had no difference on the outcome if they were using wireless over wired.

lol

the_syco

thebman wrote: »

Even for pro gamers, the vast majority of the time it will have had no difference on the outcome if they were using wireless over wired.

Pro gamers usally play at LANs. Having a wireless may be okay at home, but using one at a large LAN runs the risk of someone else having the same wireless mouse.

I actually got a wireless MS mouse when my logitech trackman mouse died, but got a Deathadder for a LAN, and never went back. One main reason: the only thing worse than running out of batteries during a game is running out of batteries in a competition whilst at a LAN at 2am, with no shops open nearby, and the inabailty to drive as you've been drinking

In saying that, if I ever go the HTPC route, I'm getting a wireless logitech trackman mouse. Those mice ruled, and a wireless one would be epic :P

thebman

Jazzy wrote: »

OR i have actually tested it myself and then had a mate test it too...
he was using a G7 and then i had him use the G5 (same mouse only with a wire) and he noticed his aim improve. this is down to a few things, not just the "2ms" which ppl here seem to be using as some sort of 'unstoppable fact'. the wire acts also as a balance to the mouse letting you feel it a lot better and gives you a sense of security, all which have factors in how you aim.

That is most likely down to just being used to a wired device though. Given time to adapt properly to a wireless mouse would eliminate aim being off.

If all you've played with is a wired mouse then of course going wireless will take time to get used to not having the wire there.

I moved from wired to wireless recently and after getting used to it, my aim is better than it was as the cable can't get trapped on anything or annoy me as it isn't there.

"but this tft is only 4ms" doesnt make a difference, it is slower and you do notice.

Its irrelevant if someone thinks they are noticing or not. I've lost count of the times people have yelled oh it was lag when I killed them. It doesn't make it so.

I've studied the eye and how it works with the brain sending images and messages over your nerves. It would actually ignore many changes over 4ms anyway and so you wouldn't even see them. A lot of this claims of lag is a like a hypochondriac and the wired mouse is the persons placebo.

lol

whatever, I'll trust years of studies by published scientists over your word that it is making a massive, significant difference.