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Devil blamed for Haitian disaster.
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15-01-2010 2:08pm#1
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doctoremma wrote: »How do the "normal" Christians here feel about other Christians spouting such drivel? Do you feel it reflects badly on "normal" Christians? Or do you expect everyone to see the bald truth - the guy's a nutter and it doesn't matter what he calls himself? Can any of you understand where he's coming from? How far is he twisting religous teachings?
Are you counting me as one of the 'normal' Christians?
The terms 'Christian' and 'Christianity' get used in such fluid ways, and there are so many branches of Christianity, that its not like some monolithic organisation where someone who is a total embarrassment can be kicked out or disowned.
I expect that those who don't have an axe to grind will see the bald truth, that Robertson is a nut who does not represent or speak for the vast majority of Christians.
However, I also expect that others will seize on this with delight and try to use it to attack the beliefs of Christians in general.0 -
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Are you counting me as one of the 'normal' Christians?
Of course.
Diary of a "normal" Christian:
Morning: I attended church and participated in discussion group afterwards.
Lunch: Grabbed during a shift in the soup kitchen.
Afternoon: Took some cake to the old lady down the road, delivered unwanted clothes to local charity shop.
Evening: Big family dinner, followed by a game which managed to be fun, educational and wholesome, before tucking the kids up with a nice bedtime story.
Night: Some Song of Solomon stuff...
Diary of a "jibbering nutcase" Christian:
Morning: Colouring in with the kids. We made placards with the slogan "Fags go to hell". Went to local rally denouncing gay people. It was brilliant.
Lunch: Usual 30 minute "grace" followed by bread and water, led by Grandad who is head of our private church. It was brilliant. Smacked my eldest daughter (19), who questioned the necessity of having bread and water EVERY day.
Afternoon: Supported a picket line outside local abortion clinic. I brought my gun but unfortunately didn't see any doctors. I'll get one of them one day. Did get to shout nasty things at a young girl who went past us. She was already pale and crying but you should have seen her when I'd finished with her. It was brilliant.
Evening: Attended church service, where Grandad exercised a devil from a woman who was writhing on the floor. It was brilliant.
Night: Went to bed and worried slightly about my eldest daughter (19), who was talking to a boy today. Then sleep, secure in the knowledge that me and my family will be the only ones in heaven. It will be brilliant.I expect that those who don't have an axe to grind will see the bald truth, that Robertson is a nut who does not represent or speak for the vast majority of Christians. However, I also expect that others will seize on this with delight and try to use it to attack the beliefs of Christians in general.
It's difficult. I don't imagine for one moment that he represents the majority of Christians. My gut instinct is that he's probably claiming to have support (by weight of numbers) of a lot of people who don't actually support him. Do Christian groups speak out against him?0 -
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There was a similar thread on this subject in the AH forum.
Haiti 'cursed by pact with devil' Irish Independent
I have no time for these guys and their money grabbing 700 series "God channels".
Robertson lives in a huge mansion with his own private airstrip, He owns the Ice Capades, a small hotel, diamond mines in Zaire, a vitamin company known as Kalo Vita, involved in a multi-level marketing scheme along the lines of Amway (That Pyramid household product), and until recently, International Family Entertainment, parent company of the Family Channel (see below) all estimated to be worth between $150-200 million. Source
How does a televangelist, who is supposedly involved in non-profit work, manage to create such a fortune for himself?
The fingered gesture above of Robinson depicts the "horned devil", also known as the sign of Il Cornuto and Diabolicus familiar with heavy metal groups, the illuminati and sataism.
Class.
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Comer1 said:
Much better than indifference!I'm sorry Wolfsbane, but your post really makes my blood boil!
A dysfunctional world is the consequence of Adam's sin, Yes. We are familiar with the concept in human affairs - the drug abuser who gives birth to an addicted baby, for example.God sends every circumstance??! So God crushes some children under the rubble of their home or school, because some bloke ate an apple 8,000 years ago.
Yes, we are all born just as guilty as the next person. But it is not individual guilt that determines which child dies and which not. All are exposed to a dysfunctional world but it is God who permits (or not) disaster to come any individual's way.Why only some children? How does he choose what poor two-year olds to have their body crushed and suffer a horrible death that could take days. Surely all children in the world are just as guilty of the crime of Adam's apple eating "outrage."
He is God and would be just to condemn us all immediately. But He spares many of us so that we will be brought to repentance and faith. Others He permits to continue in their evil throughout a long life - not that He favours them in doing so, for they only add to their crimes and the consequent punishment in hell. He is the Creator and is entitled to dispose of His creation as He sees fit.Why does He send Judgement down on some evil people, while He lets others off scott free (until judgement day at least).
He doesn't say, but He does say that He never gives us more than we can handle. He gives necessary grace to bear each affliction.How does He choose who should have their "holy faith" put on trial?
If they are His children, they are blessed by the trial. All things, good or evil, are for the ultimate benefit of His children.Why does he choose one family to loose their child to leukemia and not another? Do you consider that the family who get choosen are blessed or cursed?
I could show you that my picture of God is the one given in Scripture, but let me first ask you if the alternative is any more palatable to you:I just don't understand how anyone can justify the existance of a loving god when things like this happen.
God is not in control, bad things happen because He is unable to intervene. We are at the mercy of nature and our fellow-man. When they decide we suffer, we do - unless we are stronger than they. No point praying to God about it.
Is that a happier picture?
As to why evil things happen, the answer is not that God is unloving. Rather it is that we are sinners in a fallen world. Consequences flow from Adam's sin and indeed from ours - not only to us but to our society and following generations.0 -
Comer1 said:
Much better than indifference!
A dysfunctional world is the consequence of Adam's sin, Yes. We are familiar with the concept in human affairs - the drug abuser who gives birth to an addicted baby, for example.
Yes, we are all born just as guilty as the next person. But it is not individual guilt that determines which child dies and which not. All are exposed to a dysfunctional world but it is God who permits (or not) disaster to come any individual's way.
He is God and would be just to condemn us all immediately. But He spares many of us so that we will be brought to repentance and faith. Others He permits to continue in their evil throughout a long life - not that He favours them in doing so, for they only add to their crimes and the consequent punishment in hell. He is the Creator and is entitled to dispose of His creation as He sees fit.
He doesn't say, but He does say that He never gives us more than we can handle. He gives necessary grace to bear each affliction.
If they are His children, they are blessed by the trial. All things, good or evil, are for the ultimate benefit of His children.
I could show you that my picture of God is the one given in Scripture, but let me first ask you if the alternative is any more palatable to you:
God is not in control, bad things happen because He is unable to intervene. We are at the mercy of nature and our fellow-man. When they decide we suffer, we do - unless we are stronger than they. No point praying to God about it.
Is that a happier picture?
As to why evil things happen, the answer is not that God is unloving. Rather it is that we are sinners in a fallen world. Consequences flow from Adam's sin and indeed from ours - not only to us but to our society and following generations.
I'm so glad I won't have to spend eternity with people like you.0 -
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I'm sure that's true. The gospel is offensive to the natural man. They love their own righteousness and refuse to submit to God's.bill_ashmount wrote: »I'm so glad I won't have to spend eternity with people like you.
But I was once where you are now - so I continue to pray you will reflect on all this and come to a saving knowledge of Christ. 0 -
Thanks for the reply WolfsbaneA dysfunctional world is the consequence of Adam's sin, Yes. We are familiar with the concept in human affairs - the drug abuser who gives birth to an addicted baby, for example.
Yes, we are all born just as guilty as the next person. But it is not individual guilt that determines which child dies and which not. All are exposed to a dysfunctional world but it is God who permits (or not) disaster to come any individual's way.
But you can't tell me why he lets disaster fall on some and not others when we all just as "guilty"He is God and would be just to condemn us all immediately. But He spares many of us so that we will be brought to repentance and faith. Others He permits to continue in their evil throughout a long life - not that He favours them in doing so, for they only add to their crimes and the consequent punishment in hell. He is the Creator and is entitled to dispose of His creation as He sees fit.
That's what he does, but it makes no sense that he lets some off and punishes others. To say it's His creation and he can dow what he wants is a cop-out. I'm asking how does it make sense to that he chooses some to suffer and others not to. My answer is that it just simply doesn't make sense.He doesn't say, but He does say that He never gives us more than we can handle. He gives necessary grace to bear each affliction.
My blood is boiling again. How can you believe in a God that will take my child and not my neighbours, not because I am any worse a person, or because I love my child less than my neighbour loves his, but simply because I could bear it better than my neighbour.I could show you that my picture of God is the one given in Scripture, but let me first ask you if the alternative is any more palatable to you:
God is not in control, bad things happen because He is unable to intervene. We are at the mercy of nature and our fellow-man. When they decide we suffer, we do - unless we are stronger than they. No point praying to God about it.
Is that a happier picture?
As to why evil things happen, the answer is not that God is unloving. Rather it is that we are sinners in a fallen world. Consequences flow from Adam's sin and indeed from ours - not only to us but to our society and following generations.
It makes so much more sense that there is no God and S**t just happens.0 -
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