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March 13th - Who will you watch??

  • 14-01-2010 5:42pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭


    OK so both Mayweather and Pacman are scheduling fights for the 13th March. Pacman as we know against Clotty which is definitely going to be an entertaining fight and Mayweather against probably some puffed up lightweight by the sound of things.

    Which one will you watch / pay for?? This is assuming they will be on at the same time.

    Even though IMO PBF would win a fight between the two (although it would be close) and that he's the most gifted boxer around you can't beat Manny for excitment and action.

    Personally I'll probably get the Pacman fight over Mayweather unless PBF surprises us all and fights someone like Paul Williams (unlikely to happen though). Unless he fights a big guy i can see Manny kicking PBF's ass in the PPV sales.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,625 ✭✭✭✭Johner


    Pacman - Clottey if it is definitely at 147 and I'll be having a sneaky little bet on the under-rated Clottey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭joepenguin


    Depends on who Mayweather fights. Id love for him to fight moselt berto winner in may but me thinks if mosely, mayweather and Manny win then its gonna be mayweather - mosely / pac in september (depending on mannys election time etc.. dont know much about it) and winner to face manny / pac dec 2010-jan 2011.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Mayweather regardless who he fights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭clubwelly


    Pacman cos Clottey might catch him wit a sweet one.

    Heard floyd might fight yuri foreman


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭foams


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Mayweather regardless who he fights.

    So even if he fights Malignaggi or Kermit Cintron ?
    What kind of legacy is this guy going to leave? He's a talented boxer who
    fough week opponents in a time when there was'nt many good fighters.
    I'm disgusted with both, they should be fighting each other but at least pacquiao is well matched.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    unknown13 wrote: »
    Mayweather regardless who he fights.
    That is some ridiculous fanboyism right there :rolleyes:. If Mayweather fights someone who poses a challenge to him I will watch him. Why bother watch Mayweather easily beat Malignaggi over 12 rounds. I would definitely tune in if he fought Paul Williams. He could really regain a some respect if he fought him but the second coming of Christ will happen before that fight does!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭f1dan


    The beauty of sky+, I can watch them both!
    magma69 wrote: »
    That is some ridiculous fanboyism right there :rolleyes:. If Mayweather fights someone who poses a challenge to him I will watch him. Why bother watch Mayweather easily beat Malignaggi over 12 rounds. I would definitely tune in if he fought Paul Williams. He could really regain a some respect if he fought him but the second coming of Christ will happen before that fight does!

    Mayweather and Williams are both managed by Al Haymon so I don't think that fight's gonna happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    Mayweather, Doesnt matter who he fights, he is brillant too watch......
    Pure craftsmen......
    Although I cant see these two fights on the one night,
    Floyd will wait for Mosley and fight in April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    I will watch pacquaio on ppv, I will not pay for a Mayweather fight, can't stand him and wouldn't want to improve his sales even though I like watching him. I will download the Mayweather fight if he's not fighting some clown like Pauli

    I hope pacman outsells him massively (and I can't see why he wouldn't after taking on a challange like Clotty, we all know Mayweather is not going to fight anyone worthwhile)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    Both fights will be freebies over here, hopefully they stagger the start times and we can see both :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    I will watch pacquaio on ppv, I will not pay for a Mayweather fight, can't stand him and wouldn't want to improve his sales even though I like watching him. I will download the Mayweather fight if he's not fighting some clown like Pauli

    I hope pacman outsells him massively (and I can't see why he wouldn't after taking on a challange like Clotty, we all know Mayweather is not going to fight anyone worthwhile)

    No matter who Mayweather fights he will out sell Manny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    f1dan wrote: »
    The beauty of sky+, I can watch them both!



    Mayweather and Williams are both managed by Al Haymon so I don't think that fight's gonna happen.

    Even if they had different managers the fight wouldn't happen. No way would Floyd fight someone with a physical advantage these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    No matter who Mayweather fights he will out sell Manny
    That's bollocks. Manny/Cotto was a bigger draw than PBF/Marquez. If Mayweather takes a mega safe fight then Manny/Clottey will win the pay per view battle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    magma69 wrote: »
    That's bollocks. Manny/Cotto was a bigger draw than PBF/Marquez. If Mayweather takes a mega safe fight then Manny/Clottey will win the pay per view battle.

    Clottey is a save fight for Manny why would anybody wanna see that?
    Clottey will be good for the first four rounds and as usual lose hard,
    Fight will be stopped by cuts in Mannys favour........

    Floyd wont fight Mali, Cintron or Matthew Hatton all these names being pulled out are stupid rumours started by Mayweather Haters,
    If Floyd was figthing on the 13th it would of been announced by now.......
    He is waiting for Mosley to beat Berto,
    Although Mayweather-Williams in March would of been better in my eyes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 masseyferguson


    No matter who Mayweather fights he will out sell Manny

    manny will easily outsell him at least 2/1


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    manny will easily outsell him at least 2/1

    You dont even know who Floyd is figthing so how can you predict that?
    If Floyd fights Mosley it will outsell Manny Clottey by at least that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭ragg


    No matter who Mayweather fights he will out sell Manny

    HorseSh1t


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    ragg wrote: »
    HorseSh1t

    Clottey Pacqiuao is a boring fight, Mayweather-Malignaggi is more interesting imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    No matter who Mayweather fights he will out sell Manny

    Manny Cotto outsold Mayweather Marquez and that was mayweathers comeback fight. Mayweather will not sell fighting someone like Pauli, not because Pauli is unpopular but because noone would give Pauli a round and also the fact that more and more people are noticing that Mayweather takes easy fights


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    If Floyd fights Mosley it will outsell Manny Clottey by at least that

    True, I would pay to see that but I don't see him fighting Mosley unless Mosley is unimpressive against Berto and I don't see him taking on Williams either


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    Clottey Pacqiuao is a boring fight, Mayweather-Malignaggi is more interesting imo

    Few would agree with you there, Clotty is big and dangerous and most felt he bet Cotto. Malignaggi was embarrassed by both Hatton and Cotto, Pauli is feather fisted and doesn't have the skill of Mayweather.
    Clotty has a punchers chance, Pauli has no chance whatsoever


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    Manny Cotto outsold Mayweather Marquez and that was mayweathers comeback fight. Mayweather will not sell fighting someone like Pauli, not because Pauli is unpopular but because noone would give Pauli a round and also the fact that more and more people are noticing that Mayweather takes easy fights

    Paulie is just coming off a win to Juan Diaz?
    Clottey last fight he was beating by the Man who Manny destroyed?
    It is a pointless fight,
    I agree that no one would give Paulie a round but the promotion could be alot better then that of Clottey Pac,
    With Paulie improving immensely after sacking Mc Girt,
    But I dont think we have the worry the fight wont happen........
    Paulie will fight Amir and Floyd will floyd Mosley......

    And people who say floyd takes easy fights are only buying into the Pacquiao Bull**** hype,
    He ducked Floyd


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    Few would agree with you there, Clotty is big and dangerous and most felt he bet Cotto. Malignaggi was embarrassed by both Hatton and Cotto, Pauli is feather fisted and doesn't have the skill of Mayweather.
    Clotty has a punchers chance, Pauli has no chance whatsoever

    Just like some people thought Oscar beat Floyd?
    Where you watching that fight?
    Cotto knocked him down with a jab?
    Clottey is a joke, he gives up after 4-5 rounds,
    Yeah Paulie is Feather fisted but is extremely slick and is not the same fighter as he was against Cotto and Hatton


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    Clottey is a save fight for Manny why would anybody wanna see that?
    Clottey will be good for the first four rounds and as usual lose hard,
    Fight will be stopped by cuts in Mannys favour........

    Floyd wont fight Mali, Cintron or Matthew Hatton all these names being pulled out are stupid rumours started by Mayweather Haters,
    If Floyd was figthing on the 13th it would of been announced by now.......
    He is waiting for Mosley to beat Berto,
    Although Mayweather-Williams in March would of been better in my eyes

    Clottey is an easier fight for Manny than Cotto but it still far from a safe fight. The only reason you are saying it is a safe fight is because of the massive benchmark Manny created in beating Cotto. Pac is still fighting someone much bigger but I agree that the fight will probably turn out the way you predicted. If PBF took on winner of Berto/Mosley it would get more PPVs. PBF v Williams would definitely draw way more but there isn't a hope in hell of that happenning. These are about the only fights which would beat Manny/Clottey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    magma69 wrote: »
    Clottey is an easier fight for Manny than Cotto but it still far from a safe fight. The only reason you are saying it is a safe fight is because of the massive benchmark Manny created in beating Cotto. Pac is still fighting someone much bigger but I agree that the fight will probably turn out the way you predicted. If PBF took on winner of Berto/Mosley it would get more PPVs. PBF v Williams would definitely draw way more but there isn't a hope in hell of that happenning. These are about the only fights which would beat Manny/Clottey.

    I dont give Manny much Credit for the Cotto fight tbh,
    Cotto was not the same after the fight with Margarito,
    He never will be, I think the Cotto before Marg may have given Manny trouble,
    But I do think Manny would of still beaten him....
    I would like to see Manny fight Bradley at 140, that would be a good fight,
    As far as Mayweather, Williams I believe it could happen some day,
    If Mosley loses to Berto which I highly doubt there and Williams hasnt already signed a fight he has no one else really?
    Williams would be just as tough for Floyd as Manny would be,
    But I dont see anyone out there at the moment being able to beat Mayweather


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    I dont give Manny much Credit for the Cotto fight tbh,
    Cotto was not the same after the fight with Margarito,
    I really don't know how to respond to that. :pac:. Absolutely ridiculous. Deluded much?
    He never will be, I think the Cotto before Marg may have given Manny trouble,
    But I do think Manny would of still beaten him....
    I would like to see Manny fight Bradley at 140, that would be a good fight,
    As far as Mayweather, Williams I believe it could happen some day,
    If Mosley loses to Berto which I highly doubt there and Williams hasnt already signed a fight he has no one else really?
    Williams would be just as tough for Floyd as Manny would be,
    But I dont see anyone out there at the moment being able to beat Mayweathe

    Bradley/Pac would be a nice match up. There is a slim chance Bradley could win it on points but it wouldn't trump his achievement of beating Cotto. PBF will fight some limited fighter before he takes on Williams. He will retire again rather than face Williams. PBF beating Williams would be a much more impressive achievement than beating Manny in my eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    Paulie is just coming off a win to Juan Diaz?
    Clottey last fight he was beating by the Man who Manny destroyed?
    It is a pointless fight,
    I agree that no one would give Paulie a round but the promotion could be alot better then that of Clottey Pac,
    With Paulie improving immensely after sacking Mc Girt,
    But I dont think we have the worry the fight wont happen........
    Paulie will fight Amir and Floyd will floyd Mosley......

    And people who say floyd takes easy fights are only buying into the Pacquiao Bull**** hype,
    He ducked Floyd

    Pauli was beaten badly by Hatton, when Hatton was a better fighter he was beaten by Mayweather. Pauli was also brutally beaten by Cotto, Cotto has lost to Pacquaio.
    The Cotto vs Clotty fight was close, close enough that I would have given the fight to Clotty and so would many others.

    Not only is Pauli not at Clottys standard, he's nowhere close. Clotty would beat hatton and should have bet Cotto, both destroyed Pauli.

    Clotty is also capable of a knockout if he lands clean, Pauli has zero chance of a knockout.

    And no, im not buying into any hype, I used to be a big fan of Mayweather, I was up for him against Hatton (was one of few in that case). Mayweather should have fought Mosley when he came out of retirement, instead he went for an old fighter who had to gain alot of weight to fight him. Not only that, he didn't even bother making the agreed weight to give himself a further advantage. Why anyone would bother paying for the non events that Mayweather arranges now is beyond me.

    And I stand by what I say, if Mosley destroys Berto then Maywether will not be fighting him and you can quote me on that if the time comes around

    Diaz is a very limited fighter by the way

    Pacquaio has not ducked anyone and has consistently moved up to take on fighters. Many felt he would be beaten by de la hoya (including the mayweathers) but that didn't stop him taking the challange
    magma69 wrote: »
    If PBF took on winner of Berto/Mosley it would get more PPVs. PBF v Williams would definitely draw way more but there isn't a hope in hell of that happenning. These are about the only fights which would beat Manny/Clottey.

    +1 - If Mayweather does not take on either of these 2 then the figures will prove me right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    Pauli was beaten badly by Hatton, when Hatton was a better fighter he was beaten by Mayweather. Pauli was also brutally beaten by Cotto, Cotto has lost to Pacquaio.
    The Cotto vs Clotty fight was close, close enough that I would have given the fight to Clotty and so would many others.

    Not only is Pauli not at Clottys standard, he's nowhere close. Clotty would beat hatton and should have bet Cotto, both destroyed Pauli.

    Clotty is also capable of a knockout if he lands clean, Pauli has zero chance of a knockout.

    And no, im not buying into any hype, I used to be a big fan of Mayweather, I was up for him against Hatton (was one of few in that case). Mayweather should have fought Mosley when he came out of retirement, instead he went for an old fighter who had to gain alot of weight to fight him. Not only that, he didn't even bother making the agreed weight to give himself a further advantage. Why anyone would bother paying for the non events that Mayweather arranges now is beyond me.

    And I stand by what I say, if Mosley destroys Berto then Maywether will not be fighting him and you can quote me on that if the time comes around

    Diaz is a very limited fighter by the way

    Pacquaio has not ducked anyone and has consistently moved up to take on fighters. Many felt he would be beaten by de la hoya (including the mayweathers) but that didn't stop him taking the challange

    Manny ducked Floyd, Floyd has never ducked anybody, that is all **** that haters of put together over the years,
    Floyd met all Mannys needs, Floyd wanted it at 154, Manny wanted 147, he got it, Floyd wanted 10 oz Gloves, Manny wanted 8oz, he got,
    Manny wanted 10M Penalty for every lb over weight he got,
    Floyd wanted Random blood testing,
    They said it would weaken Manny but there is clear evidence on Hatton/Pacquiao 24/7 of Manny given Blood the week of his fight with Hatton,
    Which in fact would of been less the amount of blood in which he donated for the health check on for the Hatton fight,
    He would just have to donate a table spoon of blood!
    Roach said if they gave Manny a 5 day window it would be fine,
    Mayweather offered a 14 day window and they declined!
    They all used the excuse he is afraid of needles, RE the above, also he is covered in tattoos,
    You need to do your homework......
    There Camp also emailed Richard Schafear of GoldenBoy Promotions asking what would happen if Manny tested positive prior to the fight!
    Yet they still try say Manny is not on steroids!
    Why cant Manny take the test if he is clean then?
    Anyone remember Tyson requesting Holyfield to do it before there fight and he did it no problem,
    Because he had nothing to hide?
    Even other boxers and doctors have this would have no effect on Manny,
    Leaves alot of questions over Mannys career I must say.....
    Nobody Passes 40M like that over a tablespoon of blood,
    Im sick of people not taking the time out to actually look at this situation and stop falling in love with Pacquiao,
    Anyone who has followed the negoitations from the start like myself should know Floyd has been very good through out the whole
    fiasco,
    He wanted a 60/40 split because he is bigger star and has a history of high selling ppv's,
    Floyds fight with Oscar and Hatton, did more then Mannys fights with them,
    Floyd even agreed then to a 50/50 split,
    he caved in, cause Arum has brainwashed Manny,
    Floyd caved in to Manny gloves sizing needs,
    Third time, Floyd wanted no part of the Cowboys stadium due to Tax laws which Arum wanted,
    Arum was pissed so Again Floyd caved in and said Okay then you pick where the fight is,
    Then the weight Penalty he said okay to aswell,
    Now he is going to fight another Top Rank fighter in Joshua Clottey who will be told what to do by Arum,
    And you guarantee there will be no blood tests involved,
    Floyd didnt duck Mosley either, Marquez was warm up floyd and floyd still weighted in under the WW limit 147,
    Catchweights are bullcrap......
    Floyd called Mosley out before, and Mosley wanted none of him....
    Why would Floyd duck him now? Mosley is older now and got a good win over a fighter who I believe taylor made for him,
    His fight before that he was lucky against Mayorga because Mayorga was winning and Shane Ko'ed him in the last minute of the last round........
    Check out this video.....
    Floyd doesnt duck people.
    Here is a video of him calling out fighters who never accepted,
    Prince Naseem,
    Spadafora,
    Kostya Tzuyu,
    Casamayor,
    Lazcano,
    Stevie Johnson,
    Shane Mosley,
    Manny Pacquiao

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Dr. Greenthumb


    magma69 wrote: »
    I really don't know how to respond to that. :pac:. Absolutely ridiculous. Deluded much?

    So do you rate Cotto's post Margarito performances as good as his pre Margarito performances?

    People is glass houses my friend :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    magma69 wrote: »
    I really don't know how to respond to that. :pac:. Absolutely ridiculous. Deluded much?

    So you think gettin bashed with Bricks for 10 rounds isn't going to do you damage physically and psychologically?
    You sir are deluded, Cotto was even muck against Clottey,
    He was never the same.
    magma69 wrote: »
    He will retire again rather than face Williams. PBF beating Williams would be a much more impressive achievement than beating Manny in my eyes.

    Floyd is all about the Money and if in the next year or two if Williams can make a bigger name for himself and because a household name he will get a fight,
    If he gets a fight with Pavlik and beats him, Im sure he will get a fight with Floyd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    Manny ducked Floyd, Floyd has never ducked anybody

    Why did he just take on a lightweight when there are numerous top WW that he could have chosen from. If he takes on Pauli (who is a featherfisted LW) you don't feel that thats ducking a somewhat realistic opponent either so this discussion is probably a waste of time. I can't understand how people would pay good money and encourage him to take on these jokes of opponents.
    Floyd met all Mannys needs, Floyd wanted it at 154, Manny wanted 147, he got it

    That tells you all you need to know about FM, why would Floyd want it at 154, he's just fought at 146 and has no issue making WW, he is considered a WW. Pacquaio was 130 less than 2 years ago, FM only wants to take it to 154 cause he knows that Pacquaio can't fight at his best at that weight and wants to take the opponent out of his class like he did against Marquez. Pacquaio isn't even really a WW, he does not put on much after the weigh in.
    Floyd wanted 10 oz Gloves, Manny wanted 8oz, he got,

    Asking for lighter gloves is hardly the sign of fear that you believe he has
    Manny wanted 10M Penalty for every lb over weight he got,

    What do you expect when in his previous fight he turned up 2lbs overweight, he would definitely do this against pacquaio as I don't believe he's interested in a fair fight
    They said it would weaken Manny but there is clear evidence on Hatton/Pacquiao 24/7 of Manny given Blood the week of his fight with Hatton,

    24 days, not one week, I wouldn't take what they say on 24/7 as absolute fact
    He wanted a 60/40 split because he is bigger star and has a history of high selling ppv's,

    Pacquaio has only become a big draw since he bet de la hoya. For Mayweather, he wasn't the draw in either of his biggest 2 selling fights
    Floyds fight with Oscar and Hatton, did more then Mannys fights with them,

    People gave manny no chance against Oscar, was hardly going to be a big draw for that reason. Hatton was undefeated before fighting Mayweather, your not going to get the same draw against Pacquaio for this reason, he had already been shown up.
    Floyd didnt duck Mosley either, Marquez was warm up floyd and floyd still weighted in under the WW limit 147,
    Catchweights are bullcrap......

    Yes then why did he agree to one, the fight was not to take place at the WW limit so why did he suddenly decide that his advantage over the lightweight Marquez was not enough? Marquez is a lightweight ffs, and an old one at that, thats not a warmup, its a joke really.
    Why would Floyd duck him now? Mosley is older now and got a good win over a fighter who I believe taylor made for him

    I don't know, you tell me? It was the fight people wanted to see after Mosleys win, instead he chose a pointless fight that noone was calling for.

    By the way, i'm not Pacquaio's biggest fan, I like watching him but i'm certainly couldn't be called a huge fan of his. I was a Mayweather fan in the past so I didn't always dislike him. It seems like the only blinded fanboy on this thread is yourself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    So you think gettin bashed with Bricks for 10 rounds isn't going to do you damage physically and psychologically?

    I don't think Cotto got out much worse against Marg than Pauli did against Cotto but Pauli has now went on and improved since his 2 beatdowns by Cotto and Hatton by recording an amazing win over Diaz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    So you think gettin bashed with Bricks for 10 rounds isn't going to do you damage physically and psychologically?
    You sir are deluded, Cotto was even muck against Clottey,
    He was never the same.

    As you implied there is a good chance Margarito may have cheated so I wouldn't get all that down about losing to someone who cheated. Boxers get bashed and come back. Cotto was only 27 when he lost. It's not like he thought he was a shot boxer. His comeback annihilation of Jennings and then win against Clottey proved he didn't. You make Clottey out to be a bum. Any win against Clottey is a good achievement.

    Floyd is all about the Money and if in the next year or two if Williams can make a bigger name for himself and because a household name he will get a fight,
    If he gets a fight with Pavlik and beats him, Im sure he will get a fight with Floyd

    Will you come off it. Williams is a huge name. Go onto any boxing site and ask who they want PBF to fight and after Pac most people will say Paul Williams. That is a bullshit excuse Floyd uses to duck fighters. Btw, what is the weather in Planet Mayweather like? I was thinking about getting a cheap ryanair flight over there soon. Is it true that there are multi coloured unicorns there and pigs that fly! :D

    Seriously though, you are a blindingly biased fanboy. This statement proves it:
    No matter who Mayweather fights he will out sell Manny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    Mayweather doesn't have the balls to put his fight up against Mannys on March 13th, i promise you that. His fragile ego wouldn't be able to handle it. For all his talent, he strikes me as a very insecure man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Manny ducked Floyd, Floyd has never ducked anybody, that is all **** that haters of put together over the years,
    Floyd met all Mannys needs, Floyd wanted it at 154, Manny wanted 147, he got it, Floyd wanted 10 oz Gloves, Manny wanted 8oz, he got,
    Manny wanted 10M Penalty for every lb over weight he got,
    Floyd wanted Random blood testing,
    They said it would weaken Manny but there is clear evidence on Hatton/Pacquiao 24/7 of Manny given Blood the week of his fight with Hatton,
    Which in fact would of been less the amount of blood in which he donated for the health check on for the Hatton fight,
    He would just have to donate a table spoon of blood!
    Roach said if they gave Manny a 5 day window it would be fine,
    Mayweather offered a 14 day window and they declined!
    They all used the excuse he is afraid of needles, RE the above, also he is covered in tattoos,
    You need to do your homework......
    There Camp also emailed Richard Schafear of GoldenBoy Promotions asking what would happen if Manny tested positive prior to the fight!
    Yet they still try say Manny is not on steroids!
    Why cant Manny take the test if he is clean then?
    Anyone remember Tyson requesting Holyfield to do it before there fight and he did it no problem,
    Because he had nothing to hide?
    Even other boxers and doctors have this would have no effect on Manny,
    Leaves alot of questions over Mannys career I must say.....
    Nobody Passes 40M like that over a tablespoon of blood,
    Im sick of people not taking the time out to actually look at this situation and stop falling in love with Pacquiao,
    Anyone who has followed the negoitations from the start like myself should know Floyd has been very good through out the whole
    fiasco,
    He wanted a 60/40 split because he is bigger star and has a history of high selling ppv's,
    Floyds fight with Oscar and Hatton, did more then Mannys fights with them,
    Floyd even agreed then to a 50/50 split,
    he caved in, cause Arum has brainwashed Manny,
    Floyd caved in to Manny gloves sizing needs,
    Third time, Floyd wanted no part of the Cowboys stadium due to Tax laws which Arum wanted,
    Arum was pissed so Again Floyd caved in and said Okay then you pick where the fight is,
    Then the weight Penalty he said okay to aswell,
    Now he is going to fight another Top Rank fighter in Joshua Clottey who will be told what to do by Arum,
    And you guarantee there will be no blood tests involved,
    Floyd didnt duck Mosley either, Marquez was warm up floyd and floyd still weighted in under the WW limit 147,
    Catchweights are bullcrap......
    Floyd called Mosley out before, and Mosley wanted none of him....
    Why would Floyd duck him now? Mosley is older now and got a good win over a fighter who I believe taylor made for him,
    His fight before that he was lucky against Mayorga because Mayorga was winning and Shane Ko'ed him in the last minute of the last round........
    Check out this video.....
    Floyd doesnt duck people.
    Here is a video of him calling out fighters who never accepted,
    Prince Naseem,
    Spadafora,
    Kostya Tzuyu,
    Casamayor,
    Lazcano,
    Stevie Johnson,
    Shane Mosley,
    Manny Pacquiao

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4

    Floyd is a scumbag and a coward. I couldn't give a sh!te who he fights, he's dirt. A worthless low bred dog from a long line of junkies, wife beaters and all round scumbags. You can show us all the videos you like of that sh!te talker, I myself have been calling out PBF, Pacman, both Klitchkos for a 2 on 1 tag match, Fedor Emalianenko, Tong Po, Ivan Drago, Samson, Hercules and God, none of which have had the balls to respond so i am claiming P4P belt and title of Mightiest Man ever. Facts are he is a dirty druggy cheat himself who only made the accusations against Pac to throw the suspicions away from himself.
    Your posts reek of man love for PBF so away you go and drool while watching him fight yet another hand picked blown up featherweight with marshmallow hands. I will not be watching him until he grows some balls and fights Pac, Mosely or Williams.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    Why did he just take on a lightweight when there are numerous top WW that he could have chosen from. If he takes on Pauli (who is a featherfisted LW) you don't feel that thats ducking a somewhat realistic opponent either so this discussion is probably a waste of time. I can't understand how people would pay good money and encourage him to take on these jokes of opponents.

    He cameback and took on Marquez because Marquez called him out,
    Why do you keep bringing up Paulie? The fight hasnt been signed, And its all been just paper talk,
    Malignaggi is going to Fight A MERE CON (Amir Khan),
    So this discussion is absolutely pointless because you seem to keep using him as an example yet it couldnt be any clearer that Floyd will be fighting Mosley

    colly10 wrote: »
    That tells you all you need to know about FM, why would he want it at 154, he's just fought at 146 and has no issue making WW, he is considered a WW. Pacquaio was 130 less than 2 years ago, FM only wants to take it to 154 cause he knows that Pacquaio can't fight at his best at that weight and wants to take the opponent out of his class like he did against Marquez. Pacquaio isn't even really a WW, he does not put on much after the weigh in.

    Yeah he asked for it originally at 154 because if he had of asked for it at 147, Manny would of wanted it at some bullshiit catchweight as usual.......
    And you say Pacquiao isnt even a real welterweight? Then he shouldnt be fighting in the divison and holding a WW title then :D
    colly10 wrote: »
    Asking for lighter gloves is hardly the sign of fear that you believe he has

    Floyd has bad hands, he looks for bigger gloves for better protection,
    this is a well none fact.
    colly10 wrote: »
    What do you expect when in his previous fight he turned up 2lbs overweight, he would definitely do this against pacquaio as I don't believe he's interested in a fair fight

    One fight he turned up 2lbs over agreed catchweight, Still 1lb under 147,
    Catchweights are BS,
    He has never done it before, if the fight was at 147 and he came in at 148 the fight couldnt go ahead so why would he do it?
    Jesus christ mate, look at what you are writing
    colly10 wrote: »
    24 days, not one week, I wouldn't take what they say on 24/7 as absolute fact

    No you are wrong, the original agreement was random blood testing upto 2 days before the fight, Roach complained and said if they got a 5 day cut off point he was over another 9days and he wouldnt accept,
    here is the video of manny giving blood on the 3rd episode of 24/7 which was one week before the Hatton fight
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbmqay72a6o
    colly10 wrote: »
    Pacquaio has only become a big draw since he bet de la hoya. For Mayweather, he wasn't the draw in either of his biggest 2 selling fights

    Exactly, therefore Floyd should get the bigger half, he has been involved with the bigger fights, he was the reason both of them sold so well, his trash talking made everyday news papers and even had my girlfriend talking bout it and she hates boxing, just another example......
    Floyd talks and he promotes, Manny is very dry
    colly10 wrote: »
    People gave manny no chance against Oscar, was hardly going to be a big draw for that reason. Hatton was undefeated before fighting Mayweather, your not going to get the same draw against Pacquaio for this reason, he had already been shown up.

    Manny had Oscar weight drained in that fight, he deserves no credit for it,
    Oscar was a zombie!
    It doesnt matter who was what or where when it comes to PPV numbers,
    Floyd got the higher ones and that is all that matters when it comes to negotiating purses and shares for fights
    colly10 wrote: »
    Yes then why did he agree to one, the fight was not to take place at the WW limit so why did he suddenly decide that his advantage over the lightweight Marquez was not enough? Marquez is a lightweight ffs, and an old one at that, thats not a warmup, its a joke really.

    He obviously didnt realise he couldnt make the weight,
    He was out for nearly 2 years, He hadnt fought.......
    He didnt make the agreed weight but was still under WW limit,
    once again I will said Catchweights are Bs........
    If Marquez is a lightweight and didnt think he could beat Floyd he shouldnt of called him out.
    Marquez was also P4P #2 at the time

    colly10 wrote: »
    By the way, i'm not Pacquaio's biggest fan, I like watching him but i'm certainly couldn't be called a huge fan of his. I was a Mayweather fan in the past so I didn't always dislike him. It seems like the only blinded fanboy on this thread is yourself

    Fanboy?
    No need for that, You sound like a beaten man, all I am doing is stating Facts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    magma69 wrote: »
    Will you come off it. Williams is a huge name. Go onto any boxing site and ask who they want PBF to fight and after Pac most people will say Paul Williams. That is a bullshit excuse Floyd uses to duck fighters. Btw, what is the weather in Planet Mayweather like? I was thinking about getting a cheap ryanair flight over there soon. Is it true that there are multi coloured unicorns there and pigs that fly! :D

    Seriously though, you are a blindingly biased fanboy. This statement proves it:

    +1 - Leaving out Manny, more people say that FM should fight Williams than anyone else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    +1 - Leaving out Manny, more people say that FM should fight Williams than anyone else

    And I am one of them people to a certain extent,
    Many real Boxings wanna see that Fight, but the General public dont know who Williams is, It will sell but nowhere near to the extent that a fight with Pacquiao would sell.........
    And you would always have that what if? Between him and Manny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    He cameback and took on Marquez because Marquez called him out,
    Why do you keep bringing up Paulie? The fight hasnt been signed, And its all been just paper talk,

    Nearly everyone has called him out, thats a total bull**** excuse, Mosley also called him out and that was a fight many fans wanted to see but he took the easy option.
    yet it couldnt be any clearer that Floyd will be fighting Mosley

    Where are you getting this from, ive seen a few names mentioned (all ****) but havn't heard of him taking on Mosley, anyway does noone think it will be a little soon for Mosley going straight out of one fight into full training for another?
    And you say Pacquiao isnt even a real welterweight? Then he shouldnt be fighting in the divison and holding a WW title then

    He moved up to take on challanges, seriously, do you think he's really a WW, I can't believe im responding to this BS
    If Marquez is a lightweight and didnt think he could beat Floyd he shouldnt of called him out.

    Marquez wanted the fight for a payday really. Matthew Hatton would fight Mayweather ffs, that doesn't give Mayweather a good excuse for actually taking the fight and if you agree to fight someone in a lower division and you agree a catchweight then it's reasonable to expect you to actually make the weight especially when the other fighter has to come up nearly 10 pounds or 15 if you consider him a junior lightweight (and he would have been able to make it even if it did affect him slightly)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    Many real Boxings wanna see that Fight, but the General public dont know who Williams is, It will sell but nowhere near to the extent that a fight with Pacquiao would sell.........
    And you would always have that what if? Between him and Manny

    Agreed, but noone will sell similar to the Manny fight, the closest would be Mosley, other than that it doesn't matter who he fights cause none of the rest would be real household names (Cotto to an extent but noone would want to see that now)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    colly10 wrote: »
    Agreed, but noone will sell similar to the Manny fight, the closest would be Mosley, other than that it doesn't matter who he fights cause none of the rest would be real household names (Cotto to an extent but noone would want to see that now)

    I might like to see it. Depends on how much Cotto has left i guess, but Mayweather isn't exactly the type of fighter that is going to brutalise him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭colly10


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    I might like to see it. Depends on how much Cotto has left i guess, but Mayweather isn't exactly the type of fighter that is going to brutalise him.

    Im not saying I wouldn't watch it but noone would call for that fight (like you would for Mosley or Williams), it would be pointless. I can only imagine that Cotto's confidence is shattered now anyway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    colly10 wrote: »
    Nearly everyone has called him out, thats a total bull**** excuse, Mosley also called him out and that was a fight many fans wanted to see but he took the easy option.

    Mosley called Floyd out AFTER the Marquez fight, get your facts straight

    colly10 wrote: »
    Where are you getting this from, ive seen a few names mentioned (all ****) but havn't heard of him taking on Mosley, anyway does noone think it will be a little soon for Mosley going straight out of one fight into full training for another?

    Well I have Richard Schaefar said as long as Mosley gets past Berto (which he will) he will be fighting Floyd both Fighters want it........
    And it wont be in March it will be in April or May,
    Floyd wont fight anyone on the 13th as there is trouble with HBO as to which Fight they will broadcast
    colly10 wrote: »
    He moved up to take on challanges, seriously, do you think he's really a WW, I can't believe im responding to this BS

    I cant believe you are talking this BS!
    He fought Cotto! Who is considered a big WW and is even moving upto 154 to fight Foreman next, So dont tell me Manny aint a real WW.......
    He is fighting Clottey next aswell who is a big guy who fights alot at 154,
    Manny is fighting big WW's,
    If he fought Floyd and got beaten your excuse of him not being a real WW would be used
    colly10 wrote: »
    This is a good example of why I think your nothing more than a blinded fanboy, the level of bias in your posts is incredible. It's not that I feel defeated as you say, it's more that I feel that I may as well be banging my head off a brick wall as responding to someone with such obvious bias. Marquez wanted the fight for a payday really. Matthew Hatton would fight Mayweather ffs, that doesn't give Mayweather a good excuse for actually taking the fight and if you agree to fight someone in a lower division and you agree a catchweight then it's reasonable to expect you to actually make the weight especially when the other fighter has to come up nearly 10 pounds or 15 if you consider him a junior lightweight (and he would have been able to make it even if it did affect him slightly)

    And you call me biased?
    You just dislike Mayweather,
    Your changing the subject here altogether,
    Do you think Manny is on steroids?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    I might like to see it. Depends on how much Cotto has left i guess, but Mayweather isn't exactly the type of fighter that is going to brutalise him.

    Cotto-Mayweather would be terrible,
    Pre Margarito it would be a good fight but not now......
    colly10 wrote: »
    Im not saying I wouldn't watch it but noone would call for that fight (like you would for Mosley or Williams), it would be pointless. I can only imagine that Cotto's confidence is shattered now anyway

    I would watch it aswell but as you said yes Cotto confidence is shattered and he needs a win over the likes of Foreman to try get it back, I just worry as too if he does beat Foreman will it lead to him fighting the likes of Martinez and Williams?
    If so it will probably lead to another beating for him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 968 ✭✭✭ODD-JOB


    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/01/schaefer-mayweather-to-name-opponent-in-the-next-two-or-three-days-%E2%80%93-news/

    Mayweathers opponent picked at the weekend ,
    please dont say Nate "Old lightweight" Campbell
    or Paulie "Brittle fist" malinaggi .

    Cintron ,....... so-so . dont mind that too much . he's a brink top ten @ welter imo .

    Williams ? ...... i think he's a bit over-rated . I would prefer to see floyd fight Sergio Martinez .

    I'd be taking a look at this list , and excluding every fighters above Junior welterweight .

    http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/fighters/fighters_index.htm

    I cant see Mayweather fighting anybody his own weight ..... unless he can swing an edge or handicap advantage .

    even still , if he does fight somebody like guzman , there will be enough PBF fans to ride him through the contraversy .

    We should know by Wednesday


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 833 ✭✭✭richierichballs


    ODD-JOB wrote: »
    http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/01/schaefer-mayweather-to-name-opponent-in-the-next-two-or-three-days-%E2%80%93-news/

    Mayweathers opponent picked at the weekend ,
    please dont say Nate "Old lightweight" Campbell
    or Paulie "Brittle fist" malinaggi .

    Cintron ,....... so-so . dont mind that too much . he's a brink top ten @ welter imo .

    Williams ? ...... i think he's a bit over-rated . I would prefer to see floyd fight Sergio Martinez .

    I'd be taking a look at this list , and excluding every fighters above Junior welterweight .

    http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/fighters/fighters_index.htm

    I cant see Mayweather fighting anybody his own weight ..... unless he can swing an edge or handicap advantage .

    even still , if he does fight somebody like guzman , there will be enough PBF fans to ride him through the contraversy .

    We should know by Wednesday

    Cant possibly be Nate Campbell or Paulie,
    If it is i'm gonna be so pissed!
    Timothy Bradley would be a good fight though,
    A fight with Williams and I would cream myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Clottey Pacqiuao is a boring fight, Mayweather-Malignaggi is more interesting imo

    The reason why No Thanks buttons would be a good option .

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Floyd never ducked anybody


    After that, it's impossible to take anything you say seriously !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 Delta Force


    According to Bloodyelbow.com Floyd will fight Mosely on May 1. Thats the same night as UFC 113.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/328100-mayweather-jr-to-face-shane-mosley-on-may-1st


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    According to Bloodyelbow.com Floyd will fight Mosely on May 1. Thats the same night as UFC 113.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/328100-mayweather-jr-to-face-shane-mosley-on-may-1st
    While it won't be as epic as Mayweather fighting Pac, I think it will still be a great fight. Plus, all these idiots saying Mayweather is scared of every other fighter will finally STFU.

    http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/1/18/1256657/the-dream-is-dead-mayweather-and


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