You're not really Catholic though.

Xluna

According to the 2006 census 86.8% of people in Ireland cite themselves as Catholic. But is that really accurate? Catholicism prohibits:

1: Homosexual relations.(Most Irish people are very tolerant and supportive of civil unions ect.)

2:Contraception.( Seriously,how many Irish people follow this social teaching?)

3: Divorce.( Officially voted in by the Irish people. If there were a referendum on it today I'd be willing to bet it would be passed by a far greater majority.
4: Porn/"Obsence literture".( Does anybody give a toss if someone has a toss?:D)

5:"Living in sin".( Seems to be rapidely becoming the norm in this country. Even Bertie,who was a very popular Taoiseach before the economic downturn had a mistress,and nobody gave a toss. Compare to the religious/moral outrage over Clintons affair in the religious U.S.)

6: You're obliged to attend mass and receive the sacrament.( I'm willing to bet that most of those 86.8% "Catholics" only go on Xmas and Easter ect.)

Assuming this to be true-is Ireland "a Catholic country".( Yes I'm aware that officially we're not a Catholic country but you know what I mean.)

My name is URL

Here we go...

brummytom

Who cares?


In before Jackass and a random Atheist

Beasty

You're right, I'm not

Xluna

brummytom wrote: »

Who cares?


In before Jackass and a random Atheist

Here comes the nihilism.

who the fug

I think the phrase you are looking for is

A la carte Catholics


Just there for the schools , weddings etc.

Kiera

NO, just no! I'm not reading this crap AGAIN!

Try here

blinding

Shopping is the new religion.

I honestly don't know if this is good or bad.

Pygmalion

No, they're not.
You summed it up pretty well on your own, did you really need to ask?

phasers

I'm officially a Catholic but only cos my parents wanted to get me into the good school in my area. I couldn't be arsed removing myself from the church. I know what I am.

brummytom

Xluna wrote: »

Here comes the nihilism.

I'm a practicing Catholic, as are many, many other people I know.

That said, I don't really have a problem with:

2:Contraception.( Seriously,how many Irish people follow this social teaching?)

4: Porn/"Obsence literture".( Does anybody give a toss if someone has a toss?)

5:"Living in sin".( Seems to be rapidely becoming the norm in this country. Even Bertie,who was a very popular Taoiseach before the economic downturn had a mistress,and nobody gave a toss. Compare to the religious/moral outrage over Clintons affair in the religious U.S.)

I believe what I believe, I couldn't really give a toss whether anyone else does or doesn't to be honest.

petes

I'm a Jedi.

mikom

Xluna wrote: »

Assuming this to be true-is Ireland "a Catholic country".

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Jumpy

Pesto be upon thee.

faceman

Xluna wrote: »

According to the 2006 census 86.8% of people in Ireland cite themselves as Catholic. But is that really accurate? Catholicism prohibits:

Not being funny but have you had your head in the sand for the past few years? Maybe even watched Frontline or Primetime recently? It was also covered on Ireland AM.

Xluna

Pygmalion wrote: »

No, they're not.
You summed it up pretty well on your own, did you really need to ask?

Obviously yes, as almost 9/10 of Irish people ticked the Catholic box in the last census when it would have been far more accurate to tick "no religion/agnostic/atheist or spiritual." No doubt it will happen again in the next census.

ScumLord

You can't leave the church, even if you don't believe in god all that means is your a bad catholic. Darragh O'Brien said that I think.

plein de force

no, i'm not, the only thing that makes me catholic is being baptised when i was at an age where i couldn't make my own decisions, next census i shall be ticking the atheist box

oppenheimer1

I think most people are a-la-carte Catholics, rather they pick and choose the bits they like and ignore the rest.

jimmycrackcorm

there are benefits to Catholicism. I don't actually mind fish on Friday especially with Beshoffs 2for1 offer.

oppenheimer1

ScumLord wrote: »

You can't leave the church, even if you don't believe in god all that means is your a bad catholic. Darragh O'Brien said that I think.

Well if he said it it must be true :rolleyes:

Xluna

faceman wrote: »

Not being funny but have you had your head in the sand for the past few years? Maybe even watched Frontline or Primetime recently? It was also covered on Ireland AM.

Which is why I wanted to discuss it here and get peoples opinions.

dvpower

I think Michael Nugent from Atheist Ireland summed it up on Newstalk last week.

Michael Nugent wrote:

Essentially most Irish Catholics are practically Protestants... and most Irish Protestants are practically atheists...

brummytom wrote: »

In before Jackass and a random Atheist

Has Jakkass turned catholic?:eek:

enniscorthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AXJjY4BTLI

djk1000

I don't believe in God, I don't go to mass, I have no interest in religion, but just in case, on the off chance, to cover my bases, I'll be making a deathbed confession and ticking the catholic box on the census, so I can tell St Peter at the pearly gates that I am not only free from sin, but I have a ringing endorsement from the central statistics office confirming my Catholicism.

I did however have great fun writing Jedi for the religion on every census form I found in friends houses last time around

PirateShampoo

brummytom wrote: »

I'm a practicing Catholic, as are many, many other people I know.

So uve never touched a ladies boob?

brummytom

dvpower wrote: »

Has Jakkass turned catholic?:eek:

Oh I forgot he was Protestant!

Well this'll still inevitably turn into a debate about indoctrination/Christian Brothers/abortion like all the others

Dont be at yourself

brummytom wrote: »

I'm a practicing Catholic, as are many, many other people I know.

That said, I don't really have a problem with:

I believe what I believe, I couldn't really give a toss whether anyone else does or doesn't to be honest.

You're not a practicing Catholic, because you're not practicing the beliefs of your faith if you consciously accept things like contraception, pornography (breaking one of the ten commandments and seven deadly sins there!) or living in sin (the clue is in the term).

Sure, you may be a Christian, and believe in Jesus, the resurrection etc. That doesn't make you a Catholic though.

brummytom

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So uve never touched a ladies boob?

No

Handsome Bob

So what you're saying OP is that you're pissed off because you can't shoehorn all Catholics into your nice stereotype of what a "real" Catholic is supposed to believe in.

hooradiation

who the fug wrote: »

I think the phrase you are looking for is

A la carte Catholics


Just there for the schools , weddings etc.

As much as i find their views on many things to be utterly repulsive, i actually respect people who actually follow the doctrine of their chosen religion as opposed to just picking the bits they like and running with it.

ScumLord

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Well if he said it it must be true :rolleyes:

He said it on stage, in front of 100s of people during his comedy routine so I'm assuming it was a joke. :rolleyes:

Xluna

LZ5by5 wrote: »

So what you're saying OP is that you're pissed off because you can't shoehorn all Catholics into your nice stereotype of what a "real" Catholic is supposed to believe in.

It's not a sterotype it's official Catholic dogma. Sorry but you're wrong.

Buford T Justice

For me really its just.............meh


Thats it, just meh....

Handsome Bob

Xluna wrote: »

It's not a sterotype it's official Catholic dogma. Sorry but you're wrong.

It's like your favourite band, do you like every single song or album that your favourite band ever produced? Of course you don't but they are still your favourite band regardless of some of the **** material they've produced. :pac:

Magenta

I was raised as a Catholic but I have not seen the inside of a church in about 6 years and I don't intend on going any time soon. I don't support the Church and it's cover-ups and I don't believe in the Bible's fairytales about light, and gardens of Eden, and loaves and fishes.

I don't think the big man upstairs would want me in a church anyway, I have committed so many "sins".

Dont be at yourself

So what you're saying OP is that you're pissed off because you can't shoehorn all Catholics into your nice stereotype of what a "real" Catholic is supposed to believe in.

Noun
S: (n) Catholic (a member of a Catholic church)
Adjective
S: (adj) Catholic (of or relating to or supporting Catholicism)

Being a "Catholic" means subscribing to the beliefs of the Catholic church. It's not about shoehorning or stereotyping - it's a black & white issue. Either you believe in the Catholic church's teaching, or you don't.

Xluna

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's like your favourite band, do you like every single song or album that your favourite band ever produced? Of course you don't but they are still your favourite band regardless of some of the **** material they've produced. :pac:

While I see and appreciate the point you're making I don't think it's the same with a religion. With a religion you have to attempt to adhere to it's teachings.

Captain_Generic

Fingers McGee wrote: »

For me really its just.............meh


Thats it, just meh....

You'll be running this country in no time

InKonspikuou2

I'm a catholic but i don't follow a lot of their man made additions to the religion.

Handsome Bob

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Noun
S: (n) Catholic (a member of a Catholic church)
Adjective
S: (adj) Catholic (of or relating to or supporting Catholicism)

Being a "Catholic" means subscribing to the beliefs of the Catholic church. It's not about shoehorning or stereotyping - it's a black & white issue. Either you believe in the Catholic church's teaching, or you don't.

It's not a black and white issue, it is actually quite complicated. Religion in general gives a lot of comfort to a lot of people in times of illness or bereavement. It is what helps some people to carry on in life. It's a sensitive issue and one that people don't like talking about because inevitably there will be some smart ass insulting them for not being a "real" Catholic.

Pygmalion

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's like your favourite band, do you like every single song or album that your favourite band ever produced? Of course you don't but they are still your favourite band regardless of some of the **** material they've produced. :pac:

Yeah it's just like that, except not really, we're talking about a church that has set strict, inflexible rules on how one should (and shouldn't) go about their daily lives, you're talking about music.

Dravokivich

Xluna wrote: »

You're not really Catholic though.

I know I'm not, but what are you?

- Drav!

ShooterSF

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

I'm a catholic but i don't follow a lot of their man made additions to the religion.

So thats the whole lot?

dvpower

LZ5by5 wrote: »

It's not a black and white issue, it is actually quite complicated. Religion in general gives a lot of comfort to a lot of people in times of illness or bereavement. It is what helps some people to carry on in life. It's a sensitive issue and one that people don't like talking about because inevitably there will be some smart ass insulting them for not being a "real" Catholic.

So, in your opinion, is a catholic someone who
a) is baptised in the catholic church, and
b) calls themselves a catholic?

Don't you have to believe some of their teachings? How much?

Handsome Bob

Pygmalion wrote: »

Yeah it's just like that, except not really, we're talking about a church that has set strict, inflexible rules on how one should (and shouldn't) go about their daily lives, you're talking about music.

It was a joke, for a somewhat serious response, see post #41.

Hazys

Xluna wrote: »

According to the 2006 census 86.8% of people in Ireland cite themselves as Catholic. But is that really accurate? Catholicism prohibits:

1: Homosexual relations.(Most Irish people are very tolerant and supportive of civil unions ect.)

2:Contraception.( Seriously,how many Irish people follow this social teaching?)

3: Divorce.( Officially voted in by the Irish people. If there were a referendum on it today I'd be willing to bet it would be passed by a far greater majority.
4: Porn/"Obsence literture".( Does anybody give a toss if someone has a toss?:D)

5:"Living in sin".( Seems to be rapidely becoming the norm in this country. Even Bertie,who was a very popular Taoiseach before the economic downturn had a mistress,and nobody gave a toss. Compare to the religious/moral outrage over Clintons affair in the religious U.S.)

6: You're obliged to attend mass and receive the sacrament.( I'm willing to bet that most of those 86.8% "Catholics" only go on Xmas and Easter ect.)

Assuming this to be true-is Ireland "a Catholic country".( Yes I'm aware that officially we're not a Catholic country but you know what I mean.)

I presume 86.8% of the country hates Rangers, its one of the main stipulations of being a Catholic in this country.

dvpower

InKonspikuou2 wrote: »

I'm a catholic but i don't follow a lot of their man made additions to the religion.

Wouldn't it be more accurate to just call yourself a Christian then?

Handsome Bob

dvpower wrote: »

So, in your opinion, is a catholic someone who
a) is baptised in the catholic church, and
b) calls themselves a catholic?

Don't you have to believe some of their teachings? How much?

I imagine that a religious moderate would say to you that they follow the teachings of Jesus. If they say that I don't have a problem with them calling themselves Catholic.

bonerm

Insurgent wrote: »

I'm a Jedi.

Severe child-abuse in the Jedi order too. I saw one incident where they abducted a kid and filled his young head with so much mumbo jumbo that when he became an adult he ended up freaking out and killed everyone.

brummytom

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

You're not a practicing Catholic, because you're not practicing the beliefs of your faith if you consciously accept things like contraception, pornography (breaking one of the ten commandments and seven deadly sins there!) or living in sin (the clue is in the term).

Sure, you may be a Christian, and believe in Jesus, the resurrection etc. That doesn't make you a Catholic though.

I attend Catholic mass, a Catholic school and have been baptised Catholic. There are certain aspects of the Church which I believe are flawed.

If that completely invalidates my right to declare how I would describe my beliefs, then fine.. whatever. I can't be arsed arguing