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Danniboo

Hi gals,

Just wondering if anyone has experience with this supplement you can get from Tony Quinn. It's suppose to balance hormones, clear up skin, healthy teeth, helps with mood, weight loss. It sounds like someone bottled a little piece of heaven .

sam34

my thinking would be that if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is!

Danniboo

That would normally be my sentiments. But this crowd have a very good repuation and have been around for years. Maybe i'll try it and report back.

g'em

Danniboo wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone has experience with this supplement you can get from Tony Quinn. It's suppose to balance hormones, clear up skin, healthy teeth, helps with mood, weight loss. It sounds like someone bottled a little piece of heaven .

It's powdered milk with added vitamins. Seriously

First off, TQ products tend be grossly over-priced. Secondly I can't find an ingredients list on-line, and can't, which makes me doubly dubious.

It has casein in it - casein is the predominant protein in milk (casein & whey are the two types). It's a slow-release protein and, like any dietary protein, is a great addition to your diet - adequate levels of protein in a person's diet have been shown to be effective for weight loss and appetite control.

But you can drink a glass of slimline milk and eat a hard-boiled egg and pretty much get the same results as a glass of this stuff.

The products claims to:
• Helps Balance Hormones
Which hormones? We have hundreds of hormones, are tightly regulated and homeostatically controlled rather well.

One hormone it could help regulate somewhat is insulin, but any low-sugar balanced diet will do that. It's also where the protein comes into it - protein helps with insulin control. Again, eat an egg, it's much cheaper

• Strengthens Bones & Teeth
In order for our bodies to properly absorb calcium we need to have magnesium present, and this product seems to have Mg. But again, it's nothing that a balanced diet with lots of green veg in it can't do. Add in some resistance training and you really lower your risk of osteoporosis

• Shrink Your Waist
Well... maybe... but again... balanced diet Honestly, there's nothing this product can do that eating well and exercising can't. Besides, if you were to drink this stuff ON TOP of your normal calorie intake you could actually put on weight (casein is effectively a food, it has a calorie content).

If you want a 'magic' supplement the nearest thing to one is actually fish oils. You can take them in capsule form, they help brain function, liver function, improve hair, nail and skin quality, can help with weight loss alongside a good diet and may have neurodegenerative protecting effects.

Danniboo

g'em wrote: »

It's powdered milk with added vitamins. Seriously

First off, TQ products tend be grossly over-priced. Secondly I can't find an ingredients list on-line, and can't, which makes me doubly dubious.

It has casein in it - casein is the predominant protein in milk (casein & whey are the two types). It's a slow-release protein and, like any dietary protein, is a great addition to your diet - adequate levels of protein in a person's diet have been shown to be effective for weight loss and appetite control.

But you can drink a glass of slimline milk and eat a hard-boiled egg and pretty much get the same results as a glass of this stuff.


hormones? We have hundreds of hormones, are tightly regulated and homeostatically controlled rather well.

One hormone it could help regulate somewhat is insulin, but any low-sugar balanced diet will do that. It's also where the protein comes into it - protein helps with insulin control. Again, eat an egg, it's much cheaper

• Strengthens Bones & Teeth
In order for our bodies to properly absorb calcium we need to have magnesium present, and this product seems to have Mg. But again, it's nothing that a balanced diet with lots of green veg in it can't do. Add in some resistance training and you really lower your risk of osteoporosis

• Shrink Your Waist
Well... maybe... but again... balanced diet Honestly, there's nothing this product can do that eating well and exercising can't. Besides, if you were to drink this stuff ON TOP of your normal calorie intake you could actually put on weight (casein is effectively a food, it has a calorie content).

If you want a 'magic' supplement the nearest thing to one is actually fish oils. You can take them in capsule form, they help brain function, liver function, improve hair, nail and skin quality, can help with weight loss alongside a good diet and may have neurodegenerative protecting effects.

So I take it you haven't tried it, I didn't ask for a lecture on healthy eating and exercise, thanks . Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a body that works like clockwork and responds well to all the stuff you've mentioned. Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems, its not about a magic pill

MissFlitworth

Danniboo wrote: »

So I take it you haven't tried it, I didn't ask for a lecture on healthy eating and exercise, thanks . Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a body that works like clockwork and responds well to all the stuff you've mentioned. Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems, its not about a magic pill

I think G'em was just trying to point out that it's more than likely just a vitamin pill mixed in with some powdered milk before you spent loads of money on it. It more than likely does none of what it says on the tin. In fairness if it did any of what it claims to do would a doctor not have to prescribe it? Messing round with balancing hormones doesn't seem like a good thing to be doing at home without guidance. Tony Quinn have been around for years yeah, but the only thing I've ever heard them have a rep for is being over-priced, hard-selling, magic-bean merchants.

g'em

Danniboo wrote: »

So I take it you haven't tried it, I didn't ask for a lecture on healthy eating and exercise, thanks . Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a body that works like clockwork and responds well to all the stuff you've mentioned. Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems, its not about a magic pill

I apologise if you felt I was lecturing you or if my post came across as smart-arsed, that certainly wasn't my intention at all (any negativity in my post is directed firmly at TQ products, not you!). I see queries like this all the time on the Fitness forum, I was genuinely only trying to help and save you a few quid I haven't tried this particular supplement but have tried many similar - I used to be sponsored by a supplement company and have been a lab-rat for many of their products, so as a result of that I tend to look past the marketing stories of these things and see them for what they are.

If there is something in particular that you feel you need a hand with I'd be only too happy to try and help?

Joycey

Danniboo wrote: »

So I take it you haven't tried it, I didn't ask for a lecture on healthy eating and exercise, thanks . Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a body that works like clockwork and responds well to all the stuff you've mentioned. Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems, its not about a magic pill

Ah come on!

I stumbled into this thread but that response was practically the best reply to anything ive ever seen on boards. She basically debunked the pill down to the absolute last and you get angry about it? She saved you money you were about to throw away on rubbish!

Danniboo

MissFlitworth wrote: »

I think G'em was just trying to point out that it's more than likely just a vitamin pill mixed in with some powdered milk before you spent loads of money on it. It more than likely does none of what it says on the tin. In fairness if it did any of what it claims to do would a doctor not have to prescribe it? Messing round with balancing hormones doesn't seem like a good thing to be doing at home without guidance. Tony Quinn have been around for years yeah, but the only thing I've ever heard them have a rep for is being over-priced, hard-selling, magic-bean merchants.

Anything i've been presribed over the last 2 years from a doctor has made my symptoms worse. The reason I started the post was to see if anyone has experience with this product before I start "messing around with hormones". I've e-mailed TQ also.

Danniboo

Joycey wrote: »

Ah come on!

I stumbled into this thread but that response was practically the best reply to anything ive ever seen on boards. She basically debunked the pill down to the absolute last and you get angry about it? She saved you money you were about to throw away on rubbish!

You've tried it then?

krudler

Danniboo wrote: »

Anything i've been presribed over the last 2 years from a doctor has made my symptoms worse. The reason I started the post was to see if anyone has experience with this product before I start "messing around with hormones". I've e-mailed TQ also.

None of this was mentioned in your original post to be fair, if you were looking for specific advice then ask for it, dont get narky because someone is trying to be helpful and point out why a product may not benefit you if you havent given any info as to why you're looking into using it in the first place

j1974

Danniboo wrote: »

Hi gals,

Just wondering if anyone has experience with this supplement you can get from Tony Quinn. It's suppose to balance hormones, clear up skin, healthy teeth, helps with mood, weight loss. It sounds like someone bottled a little piece of heaven .

our good tony emself was in last weeks sunday world being sued!!! dont know how he manages to stay afloat. I wouldnt buy anything from him, his staff sound like uneducated mooneys, I nearly hit one in his shop one day because my girlfreind asked him a question and he laughed in her face and came off realy patronising. these products prey on your vanity and insecurites. Like someone else said, if it sounds too good to be true, blah blah blah!!!

Nevyn

Danniboo wrote: »

So I take it you haven't tried it, I didn't ask for a lecture on healthy eating and exercise, thanks . Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a body that works like clockwork and responds well to all the stuff you've mentioned. Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems, its not about a magic pill

If you have a medical problem then you should be talking to your dr rather then taking health food 'pills'.

Yes getting your body to want the right foods and eating healthily is hard and can take a lot of effort to have an apple or an egg instead of crisps but, I think I am worth that effort.

But you want to take a protein pill and pay the cost of it rather then eating an egg that's your choice.

Keano

Is this the same Tony Quinn who runs Educo Mind Power?

Danniboo

krudler wrote: »

None of this was mentioned in your original post to be fair, if you were looking for specific advice then ask for it, dont get narky because someone is trying to be helpful and point out why a product may not benefit you if you havent given any info as to why you're looking into using it in the first place

FFS I wanted to know peoples experiences with it nothing more nothing less, not peoples cynical view on whether these products are rubbish or not.

Danniboo

Thaedydal wrote: »

If you have a medical problem then you should be talking to your dr rather then taking health food 'pills'.

Yes getting your body to want the right foods and eating healthily is hard and can take a lot of effort to have an apple or an egg instead of crisps but, I think I am worth that effort.

But you want to take a protein pill and pay the cost of it rather then eating an egg that's your choice.

And the band wagon is still rolling all I wanted to know is what peoples experience with this is that's all. How the hell would you know what I eat, and why so patronising.

g'em

The tone of your posts leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe, just maybe, people are genuinely trying to help?

Danniboo wrote:

Not everyone is fortunate enough to have a body that works like clockwork and responds well to all the stuff you've mentioned. Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems,

If you have an underlying medical issue then it's something you need to speak to a Doctor about and not self-medicate to relieve symptoms over the internet.

g'em

Danniboo I've just noticed that you posted this on the Pcos thread also. Is this what you're looking to use this product for?

I'm not going to make assumptions about your diet but I want to ask you one thing: do you eat much sugar or bread or pasta or rice during the day?

Just answer me that one thing, please.

Wibbs

g'em wrote:

The tone of your posts leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe, just maybe, people are genuinely trying to help?

I'm with G'em on this point.

Danniboo wrote: »

And the band wagon is still rolling all I wanted to know is what peoples experience with this is that's all.

People have been giving their opinions, both about TQ's stuff in general and this product in particular. People are cynical because TQ has been under scrutiny for various not so glowing reasons for the guts of 20 yrs. G'em also gave you a very thorough critque and issues she would have with the product and how you could gain a much better result from other avenues. Much cheaper too. The fact that she's not bullshítting and has extensive knowledge of the supplement debate over many years adds to this.

The simple if unpalatable fact is no supplement can make up for a bad diet, though will help of course(if yours is indeed bad. Im not presuming on that score). If there was a medical effect from this supplement it would be brought under the medical heading and most likely would be prescribed.

Danniboo

g'em wrote: »

Danniboo I've just noticed that you posted this on the Pcos thread also. Is this what you're looking to use this product for?

I'm not going to make assumptions about your diet but I want to ask you one thing: do you eat much sugar or bread or pasta or rice during the day?

Just answer me that one thing, please.

g'em i've been through all this with the medical experts which is why I don't appreciate people leaving smart comments as if they know me. Im not looking to use this product for weight loss. I just wanted to know if anyone has used this and suddenly i'm self medicating and filling my body full of crips, so sorry if i'm a bit irritated.

Danniboo

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm with G'em on this point.

People have been giving their opinions, both about TQ's stuff in general and this product in particular. People are cynical because TQ has been under scrutiny for various not so glowing reasons for the guts of 20 yrs. G'em also gave you a very thorough critque and issues she would have with the product and how you could gain a much better result from other avenues. Much cheaper too. The fact that she's not bullshítting and has extensive knowledge of the supplement debate over many years adds to this.

The simple if unpalatable fact is no supplement can make up for a bad diet, though will help of course(if yours is indeed bad. Im not presuming on that score). If there was a medical effect from this supplement it would be brought under the medical heading and most likely would be prescribed.

Where does it say anything about my diet :rolleyes:

Wibbs

Try actually reading posts with something approaching objectivity. Continue on in that sentence and read the part in brackets.

OK lets take it from the other angle and we'll agree your diet is tip top and youve followed the medical advice you've received. What is in this supplement(which they admit to anyway) will add nothing to an already balanced diet. Everything in it you will get from a glass of milk and a boiled egg. People are trying to help you.

Wibbs

Danniboo wrote: »

That would normally be my sentiments. But this crowd have a very good repuation and have been around for years.

This is another aspect of this TQ as an organisation have anything but a very good reputation. Quite the opposite. Seriously have a google for yourself. Its best to get all sides of this.

g'em

Danniboo wrote: »

g'em i've been through all this with the medical experts which is why I don't appreciate people leaving smart comments as if they know me. Im not looking to use this product for weight loss.

Fair enough, 99% of people who ask about these products are, especially at this time of year. My assumption, my bad.

Danniboo wrote:

I just wanted to know if anyone has used this and suddenly i'm self medicating and filling my body full of crips, so sorry if i'm a bit irritated.

Later in the thread you said:

Danniboo wrote:

Anything i've been presribed over the last 2 years from a doctor has made my symptoms worse. The reason I started the post was to see if anyone has experience with this product before I start "messing around with hormones".

and that's what prompted me to say you could be self-medicating.

Put it this way: if you were looking to use this product for weight loss, I'd argue there are better ways. If you were looking to use it for "balance hormones, clear up skin, healthy teeth, helps with mood, weight loss" (any of which can be considered as pcos symptoms) I'd also argue there are better ways The product you've asked about is actually just food in powder form, much like the protein shakes that athletes use when they're training.

I'm really not saying that in a smart way, simply in a factual way - lots of people see supplements as "non-food" substances when actually that's all they are.

The reason I asked about your sugar intake is because all the things that the products claims to do can be achieved by reducing sugar in their diet and upping their protein intake. I'm not suggesting anything one way or the other about your current diet, hence the reason I asked, but it's something to consider perhaps?

shivvyban

Danniboo wrote: »

g'em i've been through all this with the medical experts which is why I don't appreciate people leaving smart comments as if they know me. Im not looking to use this product for weight loss. I just wanted to know if anyone has used this and suddenly i'm self medicating and filling my body full of crips, so sorry if i'm a bit irritated.

I think you need to chill a bit OP. g'em was merely pointing out the negative side of the supplement. I've tried one's like that before and found that they didn't work for me so I am going down the route of a healthy diet, which is not necessarily about weight loss - it also ensures that you are getting all the vitamins and whatever else your body needs.

If you don't want to hear negativity, then why did you ask for an opinion? I'm not saying this in a bad way - just curious so please don't think that I'm knocking you.

With regards to the self-medicating and what not, why exactly do you feel the supplement might be right for you, ie why do you want to go on it? have you read any reviews to lead you to the belief it would be right for you? etc. The ppl here are merely trying to get more info from you so they can try to help you so I'd say calm down a bit and try and take on board what they have to say. They don't know you and are therefore not attacking you.....

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do though.

the_syco

Danniboo wrote: »

It's suppose to balance hormones, clear up skin, healthy teeth, helps with mood, weight loss. It sounds like someone bottled a little piece of heaven .

It sounds like everything a woman wants. You could sell coloured water water and claim main of the above.

Danniboo wrote: »

But this crowd have a very good repuation and have been around for years. Maybe i'll try it and report back.

Eveyone is telling you that the company is bad.

Danniboo wrote: »

Some people with need that extra bit of help if they have medical problems

Taking a pill with an unknown ingredients when you have a medical condition sounds like russian roulette.

Danniboo wrote: »

The reason I started the post was to see if anyone has experience with this product before I start "messing around with hormones".

It doesn't seem a wise idea for an individual who has a medical problem to take "a one size fits all pill" without even knowing the contents.

Danniboo wrote: »

I've e-mailed TQ also.

Have you given them the correct information about your medical problem? Otherwise their answer may not be the correct, if it's based on incorrect information.

Dublin_Gunner

It's suppose to balance hormones, clear up skin, healthy teeth, helps with mood, weight loss. It sounds like someone bottled a little piece of heaven

Sounds like a healthy diet would do that, not a supplement TBH

Any supplement that claims it can do all of that is destined to fail, eventually. There is no supplement that can be the wonder drug, and fix all of your problems.

BlueButterBean

I started using profemme about 3weeks ago now and I feel its helped big time with my cravings..Ill usually have my porridge n egg for breakfast,then about mid-day have my profemme,usually make it up with 200mls skim milk and 200mls water..then have small bit of fruit throught the day till dinner which is usually chicken/ turkey breast or stemmed salmon and lots n lots of veg if im feeling hungr again ill have a bowl of all bran or maybe a little more fruit..and of course a bit of exercise,maybe a brisk walk 3times a week or the gym and im talking from experience I have lost tonnes of weight;)

Wibbs

the_syco wrote: »

It sounds like everything a woman wants. You could sell coloured water water and claim main of the above.

Yes I agree, but on reflection I am now considering the very strong placebo effect. If you believe this or any other wonder pill, potion or salve will work, many times it will. Consider the recent studies that showed in cases of mild depression(I emphasise Mild) placebo was damn near on a par with prescription drugs(inc. side effects too funny enough). The human mind is very powerful and is a great ally for many things that affect the human condition. If this works for some and it's not harmful, well then it can be claimed it is effective. There was a very interesting study that got two groups of unfit people and one group used a self hypnosis thing to imagine they were running or lifting weights etc while the others did nothing and after 6 weeks(IIRC), when both groups were assessed the self hypnosis group were found to be measurably fitter. Not massively, but there was an effect. Even high level athletes use visualisation in their training regimen, as it can make a diff.

Basically what ever gets you through the night and works for you, so long as its not medically harmful.

Danniboo

the_syco wrote: »

It sounds like everything a woman wants. You could sell coloured water water and claim main of the above.


Eveyone is telling you that the company is bad.


Taking a pill with an unknown ingredients when you have a medical condition sounds like russian roulette.

Again I never said I was going to take it.

It doesn't seem a wise idea for an individual who has a medical problem to take "a one size fits all pill" without even knowing the contents.

Never said I was going to take it.

Have you given them the correct information about your medical problem? Otherwise their answer may not be the correct, if it's based on incorrect information.

Why would you presume people are that stupid as to not give the correct information about their medeical conditions.

Danniboo

BlueButterBean wrote: »

I started using profemme about 3weeks ago now and I feel its helped big time with my cravings..Ill usually have my porridge n egg for breakfast,then about mid-day have my profemme,usually make it up with 200mls skim milk and 200mls water..then have small bit of fruit throught the day till dinner which is usually chicken/ turkey breast or stemmed salmon and lots n lots of veg if im feeling hungr again ill have a bowl of all bran or maybe a little more fruit..and of course a bit of exercise,maybe a brisk walk 3times a week or the gym and im talking from experience I have lost tonnes of weight;)

Thanks Butter Bean, has it made a difference to your skin, hair etc?

Danniboo

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Sounds like a healthy diet would do that, not a supplement TBH

Any supplement that claims it can do all of that is destined to fail, eventually. There is no supplement that can be the wonder drug, and fix all of your problems.

Geez thanks for that because I was hoping and praying this supplement would change my life forever

smileysurfer

I went to post in this thread a couple of times yesterday but stopped myself for the simple reason that Danniboo, your sarcastic and b*tchy attitude to people who are genuinely trying to give you helpful advice is really offputting and quite frankly very rude and annoying!

If you want everyone to tell you its a miracle pill that will solve your problems then that wouldnt be very helpful so maybe your should take a few deep breaths and start reading peoples responses again.

Wibbs

Danniboo wrote: »

Why would you presume people are that stupid as to not give the correct information about their medeical conditions.

Why would you presume the person replying to your email has the medical training to give you the right answer?

Wibbs

smileysurfer wrote: »

I went to post in this thread a couple of times yesterday but stopped myself for the simple reason that Danniboo, your sarcastic and b*tchy attitude to people who are genuinely trying to give you helpful advice is really offputting and quite frankly very rude and annoying!

I agree and frankly if that doesnt improve this thread will be closed.

Danniboo

smileysurfer wrote: »

I went to post in this thread a couple of times yesterday but stopped myself for the simple reason that Danniboo, your sarcastic and b*tchy attitude to people who are genuinely trying to give you helpful advice is really offputting and quite frankly very rude and annoying!

If you want everyone to tell you its a miracle pill that will solve your problems then that wouldnt be very helpful so maybe your should take a few deep breaths and start reading peoples responses again.

Thanks for the insults. Thats just it no one has given any constructive advice about the pill (which is actually a powder suplplement) If you read my post you would see I simply wanted to know what peoples experience with "This product" is. Yet people seem to be going on the assumption that I want to self medicate and that i'm stupid and have a bad diet and stuff my face with crisps. I never asked for diet or medical advice,or what treatment people think yet when I tell people I didn't ask for this advice i'm bitchy and sarcastic.

Danniboo

Wibbs wrote: »

I agree and frankly if that doesnt improve this thread will be closed.

that's laughable really laughable what happened to off topic and unhelpful posting. There's only been one constructive answer so far that relates to this thread. So because people want to spout tripe about me being stupid and self medicating and having a bad diet and because I disagree with it your closing the thread. :rolleyes:

Danniboo

Wibbs wrote: »

Why would you presume the person replying to your email has the medical training to give you the right answer?

I never said I did. :rolleyes:

g'em

That's enough Danniboo. You asked for help, you got it, and you chose to get stroppy because you didn't like what you selectively heard.

Closed.