Downloading Music

Nephilim Wolf

I'm just wondering what are peoples thoughts on downloading. The only time I download music for free is when I want to see what album sounds like, is it good, memorable etc, what guitar sound it has, what are the arrangements like etc. If an album is not any good at all I won't buy it, if it has only two maybe three standout songs I won't buy it either, but if it is really amazing, and has a lot stunning songs and not just a couple, then I will definitely buy it. Thats generally the way I am when it comes to music. Sometimes I've ended up buying some albums twice, as in downloading it from itunes and then being so impressed with it I bought the digi pac or special edition of that album. So what are your thoughts on this?

Morf

Downloading is false, most new albums have most or all tracks streaming somewhere on the net for just the reason of "try before you buy".

Otis Driftwood

Speaking honestly,its unlikely I will ever buy a CD again.

Jako8

I prefer to own the actual CD. I don't know why but I'm not a fan of downloading music.

So CD over downloaded content any day for me.

c - 13

In truth I download a fair bit of it. However, I think i'll be going back to buying again.

I don't listen to most of the stuff I download properly because its so easy to come by. Back in the day when I was broke if I bought a CD it got a fair few spins whether I liked it or now.

Max Power1

honestly.. if its a new/underpromoted band that i like and want to support then i'd buyy the album.. if theres a bonus dvd i'd buy the album of established bands (slayer for example) but mostly I wouldnt buy the cds tbh

fluke

I download stuff now mostly, but if it's a band I really like or an album that has really impressed me I'll buy they cd. It feels more real. Having a cd in your possession and putting it on the stereo.

stringbox

Most of the bands I like don't get good record deals so I'm not going to support the labels. I have this theory that the only reason X-Factor types always top the charts is because the only people stupid enough to pay for music are sixteen year old girls.

GhostInTheRuins

The only albums I download are one's that the bands have decided to give away for free. Two recent local examples of this is For Ruin's Last Light and Gama Bomb's new album. Since then I've bought one and will be buying the other on cd when it's released.

Other than that I never download music, unless it's very obscure stuff that can't be bought anywhere, and I can't even remember the last time I did that.

Malice

Nephilim Wolf wrote: »

I'm just wondering what are peoples thoughts on downloading. The only time I download music for free is when I want to see what album sounds like, is it good, memorable etc, what guitar sound it has, what are the arrangements like etc. If an album is not any good at all I won't buy it, if it has only two maybe three standout songs I won't buy it either, but if it is really amazing, and has a lot stunning songs and not just a couple, then I will definitely buy it. Thats generally the way I am when it comes to music. Sometimes I've ended up buying some albums twice, as in downloading it from itunes and then being so impressed with it I bought the digi pac or special edition of that album. So what are your thoughts on this?

I'm pretty similar. I download a lot of albums. With that said, I do buy a lot of albums if I like what I've downloaded and I also pay for MP3s if that's the simplest way of getting a hold of an album (or I'm that impatient that I have to have the songs now ).

Through download sites I've been introduced to a lot of bands that I would never have otherwise heard of.

Morf wrote: »

Downloading is false, most new albums have most or all tracks streaming somewhere on the net for just the reason of "try before you buy".

So what happens if I want to listen to the new album somewhere other than on a computer connected to the Internet?

GhostInTheRuins wrote:

Two recent local examples of this is For Ruin's Last Light and Gama Bomb's new album.

I misread the first one as My Ruin and then I spent a few minutes on their MySpace page wondering if Tarrie B had quit .

Nephilim Wolf

Malice_ wrote: »

So what happens if I want to listen to the new album somewhere other than on a computer connected to the Internet?

Well said Malice. Those are exactly my thoughts as well. I would much rather listen to the album either driving down the countryside or reading a book with my iPod connected to the hi fi or my car stereo. As other people have said I would much rather buy a hard copy of the album preferbly in a limited edition or digi pac format, such as the truly excellent digi of 'Night Eternal' by Moonspell and the recently remastered digi of 'Black Metal' by Venom.

Malice

Nephilim Wolf wrote: »

Well said Malice. Those are exactly my thoughts as well. I would much rather listen to the album either driving down the countryside or reading a book with my iPod connected to the hi fi or my car stereo.

There's also the fun that can often be had with low-quality Internet connections where pages have trouble loading, songs stutter and the whole listening experience suffers as a result. Normally if I'm checking out a band's MySpace page or something, I'll let the song play for a couple of minutes before I wind it back to the start to actually listen to it. That way I usually avoid the stuttering problem.

endasmail

give up downloading after limewire fu*cked my computer up
prefer to buy the cd anyway

brendansmith

Nephilim Wolf wrote: »

Well said Malice. Those are exactly my thoughts as well. I would much rather listen to the album either driving down the countryside or reading a book with my iPod connected to the hi fi or my car stereo.

Reading a book whilst listening to music and driving a car at the same time??

Fair play to you! Thats serious multi-tasking.

Nephilim Wolf

brendansmith wrote: »

Reading a book whilst listening to music and driving a car at the same time??

Fair play to you! Thats serious multi-tasking.

Sorry what I meant was either reading a book/newspaper/novel with the iPod hooked up the hi fi or going for a good spin in the countryside.;)

Pygmalion

I can't justify spending money on music when I can get it for free (regardless of whether it's legal or moral).
And I tend to download FLAC so the quality is as good as CD anyway (although even if it was just MP3 I'd probably never notice the difference :pac:)

o1s1n

I understand the wanting to have a physical object. I've been collecting videogames for years and have hundeds and hundreds of them. Even after the advent of emulation. The originals still play better.

However, the difference between physical and digital music/video media to me are negligible. I haven't bought a CD in almost ten years. Buy the odd dvd...but in the end never really watch them so it's a bit pointless.

I'm not going to spend 10 euro (Or more possibly) for a booklet and case. Maybe if I was interested in collecting CDs, but I'm really not.

When I did buy CDs, I bought them second hand. So I suppose if I were going to go the moral route, the money was only really going to the record store and not the label/artists etc anyway.

I also don't think I'd have such a broad taste in music if I was limited to buying every album. I'd be less inclined to take a gamble on something I hadn't heard.

But anyway, as someone said previously, I too will never be paying for music ever again.

dasdog

Download (esp FLAC's)

With most of the recordings I listen to the main artist or in some cases all performers are long dead (and probably the engineers too). The ones that are alive have more than enough money already. When cd players first became cheap I duplicated most of the metal collection I had on vinyl with cd copies thinking DDD was going to sound better.

Diversity is not exactly widespread in shops (in Ireland) or in not too distant web sites which I would order from to keep shipping costs down. There is a seamingly limitless internet library out there referenced on blogs always ready to throw up suprises. And some of the best band/artist recordings were never officially/unofficially released but can be found on the web.

Delivery time is minutes rather than days/weeks waiting on postage from pay music sites. You are paying the wages of support teams, software engineers, factory workers, security guards, board room members, couriers etc needlessly.

No supporting of the music "industry" which is the root cause of standardisation of music which makes a lot of things sound the same (intro/verse/bridge/chorus/yawn). Recording should be an art form not a business. Playing live is where money should be made. And the cost of physical media is ridiculous.

Storage of cd's is a nuisance as is getting up off your arse to change a disk. I have a huge library sitting on a single (redundant) drive that can be accessed with a remote device.

No scratching or other damage. I think I bought "If I should fall from grace with God" by the Pogues three times in total due to drink induced carelessness.

In saying that I have bought some second hand (mostly jazz) vinyl recently and there is something good about having a physical copy.

Mushy

Only music I download are Porcupine Tree ones where i pay from their website, or some rare/live footage where the band knows its in the public domain and accesible for free. For example, I hve nearly all songs written/recorded by QotSA. Lots of them not on albums, only way I could get them is downloads.

Its like dvd's for me. People tell me to watch shows on the internet instead of buying boxsets. Much prefer the actual dvd, the quality between the two is worth so much more IMO. Same goes for cd's really.

Malice

endasmail wrote: »

give up downloading after limewire fu*cked my computer up
prefer to buy the cd anyway

Limewire wouldn't have messed up your computer on its own, something you downloaded and executed without verifying its safety did the damage.

Yellowledbetter

Im done with buying music myself tbh,Ive bought over 350 CDs and 50 or so concert tix over the years so i feel Ive done my bit for the music industry.

I intend to flog my unwanted CDs(I know I wont get much but its better than binning them) and only keep the ones from my favourite 3 or 4 bands.I will buy future Cds from Pearl Jam and thats it coz Ive a nice little collection of their stuff.

Downloading,either legally or otherwise,is the future.
I used to be the one one who was stil buying CDs while my mates were downloading free but i have now seen the light(IMO),that said i do miss the buzz of walking into a shop and actually buying a CD but Im getting over that!!

Thats my 2 cents worth

bigbadcon

I dont mind doing it as when it comes to going to gigs they get their own back with the over priced ticket prices...

Fair is fair I suppose

o1s1n

Mushy wrote: »

Its like dvd's for me. People tell me to watch shows on the internet instead of buying boxsets. Much prefer the actual dvd, the quality between the two is worth so much more IMO. Same goes for cd's really.

Not really. You can download video and music that sounds and looks perfect.

You can download DVD images. So they pretty much are the dvd.

What you're getting confused with is streaming media. This needs to be of lower quality so your internet can suck it down at a rate you can watch live. That's when it starts to look and sound crap.

The one thing I still pay for is Cinema tickets. Actually I have a yearly pass for Cineworld. I suppose it's similar to concert tickets. There are just some experiences you can't get at home for free.

Herb Powell

Nothing wrong with downloading

Malice

I think a distinction should be made between downloading copyrighted music and downloading music that is freely available. For most people, downloading music is synonymous with stealing and it shouldn't be.

For anyone that doesn't know about it, Jamendo is quite useful. Basically artists upload their music which can be downloaded for free by anyone. The quality of the available music certainly varies a lot but considering there is nearly 30,000 albums uploaded, you'll be a long time getting through it all .

Jay P

I've spent about €100 on CDs since Christmas, so I can safely say I much prefer buying CDs than downloading. That said, I've downloaded more than I should have in the same period. Listening to it just doesn't feel the same. I love having the CD, just to have. Also, I love listening to the album as it rips onto the computer and looking at the booklet, even if it's a bunch of pictures.

Somnus

I'd say I do a healthy mix of both.

I download albums of bands I've never listened to to see what they're like. If I like them I'd usually buy an album of their's next time I want one.

I always buy albums of bands I love though, regardless of whether I've heard them or not. Opeth, Dream Theater etc. I love sitting on the bus home and looking through the booklet, waiting to hear what the new album will sound like.

Downloading is a great way to get into more bands and music but I guess if you really like the band and want to support them then you should buy the album, expecially if they're not as well known (although I know that most bands probably make the majority of their money from concert tickets).

I like having the real thing too much to just download. I prefer listening to a CD over MP3's/ FLACs even.

Nephilim Wolf

Jay P wrote: »

I've spent about €100 on CDs since Christmas, so I can safely say I much prefer buying CDs than downloading. That said, I've downloaded more than I should have in the same period. Listening to it just doesn't feel the same. I love having the CD, just to have. Also, I love listening to the album as it rips onto the computer and looking at the booklet, even if it's a bunch of pictures.

I love looking through the booklets as well, especially the nice thick ones.:D

Star Bingo

far as i'm concerned 'new' music is pagiarism anyway as there's nothing original left to do so feel free to d/l a copy of someone copying others but hey maybe they appear original so force em to appear onstage by way of dwindling CD/MP3 sales. its a cut n thrust 21st century the originators made their money anyhow so its game over maaaan

.. yknow i was into some serious lame mainstream when music was a physical product for me, top 20 metal/ indie or what.. often probs more influenced by the sleeve. but its up in the air innit.. just an aural thing from a consumer's point of view.
thank f- for soulseek as what i like is 80s and obscure. even then probs not actually available lol

dasdog

Star Bingo wrote: »

far as i'm concerned 'new' music is pagiarism anyway as there's nothing original left to do so feel free to d/l a copy of someone copying others but hey maybe they appear original so force em to appear onstage by way of dwindling CD/MP3 sales. its a cut n thrust 21st century the originators made their money anyhow so its game over maaaan

I hear what you are saying and the merry go round has well and truly run it's course but there will be something new at some point. It just needs a tortured race/society to spurn something new. Oh sh1t, the new PC world...maybe not then

Star Bingo wrote: »

.. yknow i was into some serious lame mainstream when music was a physical product for me, top 20 metal/ indie or what.. often probs more influenced by the sleeve. but its up in the air innit.. just an aural thing from a consumer's point of view.
thank f- for soulseek as what i like is 80s and obscure. even then probs not actually available lol

I just discovered captaincrawl myself. Looks like it will save some leg click work and trawling through blogs.

Malice

Dr.Poca wrote: »

I prefer listening to a CD over MP3's/ FLACs even.

That's another interesting point. Has anyone ever sat down and done a listening test with the original CD against a ripped MP3 or a FLAC?

Somnus

Malice_ wrote: »

That's another interesting point. Has anyone ever sat down and done a listening test with the original CD against a ripped MP3 or a FLAC?

I haven't really tbh. I mean you can clearly hear the difference when it's a low quality mp3 but with the others I haven't really checked so much. I just like listening to the disk if I have it

Star Bingo

you'll hear it on the hi-end stuff alright, crash cymbals in particular. hi-hats.. - long as it ain't wispy i'll survive, mosta my old 80s underground/wave was from cassettes anyhow. n vinyl - EPs more than albums, no-one's remastering that stuff for CD re-release, trust me..


-however as it becomes more of an artifact for the historians out there, maybe

--LOS--

The last cd I bought was Metallica's death magnetic, just coz I have all the albums and it would just seem weird not to have the completed collection but theres not many bands I would bother doing that for. I do miss buying and owning cds, I like listening to an album as a whole, the songs often lose their place when youre downloading them and I do hear the sound difference, cd is better quality but cds have not come down in price all that much since the introduction of downloading so you'd have to be a complete sucker to buy cds all the time. I've never actually paid to download anything either, I just don't give in to paying for something that you cannot copy from one place to the other and that is really only a temporary item, mp3s are easily wiped out and lost. Cds/dvds are still the most permanent form of storage, they are not easily damaged, I always copy music/movies from my laptop onto them so I dont have to worry about losing everything if a usb/hardrive breaks. I get all my music from youtube using a video to mp3 converter, moral or not, you cant resist the change in the availability of music nowadays, theres no way to prevent it and there are other ways of supporting bands now.

Motley Crue

I download albums to listen to them with the intention of buying them. If I like the album I'll try and seek it out, either new or second hand online, and in some cases I'll approach the high street on the day of release.

Another use for Internet downloading is back cataloguing, checking the past performances of a band that I have just gotten into (like Social Distortion) to see if they have any good material worth picking up other then what I have or, another use of Internet downloading, checking the material of a band I am going to see in concert that I might not be acquainted with (a support band or something) and I would rather listen to their music via studio ears then hear it dodgily over 20min on a support set and not know what the hell is going on

But no, Internet downloading en masse is wrong, but I do believe I support the music industry because I do buy new CDs, go to gigs and purchase merchandise....its all aimed at keeping the band on the road, allowing them to keep processing and making albums and allowing them to earn a living by taking a piece of mine (and I'm not bitter at all because most bands who take a piece of my living give me immense entertainment in return)

Jemmaa

Just checked my library - no albums downloaded from internet at all. I download music when somebody send me their own music to listen and wanna know what I think about that's pretty it.

Malice

--LOS-- wrote: »

the songs often lose their place when youre downloading them

Could you clarify what you mean by that? Are you saying that you can listen to songs in a different order than the default?

--LOS-- wrote:

I do hear the sound difference, cd is better quality

--LOS-- wrote:

I get all my music from youtube using a video to mp3 converter

You can't compare Youtube audio to CD audio. There's a huge gulf in sound quality so it's no wonder you can hear the difference. With a properly encoded MP3 though the gap isn't as big.

--LOS-- wrote:

I just don't give in to paying for something that you cannot copy from one place to the other and that is really only a temporary item, mp3s are easily wiped out and lost.

Could you clarify this as well? Are you saying that MP3s can't be copied or are you saying CDs can't be copied. Either way, both statements are false. MP3s might be easily wiped out and lot but CDs are easily scratched or dirtied.

--LOS-- wrote:

Cds/dvds are still the most permanent form of storage, they are not easily damaged, I always copy music/movies from my laptop onto them so I dont have to worry about losing everything if a usb/hardrive breaks.

Why not just keep a second hard drive and back up everything to that? Leave it in a safe place so you don't have to worry about losing or dropping it.

--LOS--

Malice_ wrote: »

Could you clarify what you mean by that? Are you saying that you can listen to songs in a different order than the default?



You can't compare Youtube audio to CD audio. There's a huge gulf in sound quality so it's no wonder you can hear the difference. With a properly encoded MP3 though the gap isn't as big.

Could you clarify this as well? Are you saying that MP3s can't be copied or are you saying CDs can't be copied. Either way, both statements are false. MP3s might be easily wiped out and lot but CDs are easily scratched or dirtied.

Why not just keep a second hard drive and back up everything to that? Leave it in a safe place so you don't have to worry about losing or dropping it.

Haha I dont think its that unclear!

1. Obviously you can listen to songs in the same order as was intended by the artist when the cd was put together :rolleyes: but downloading music in general (not just downloading albums) does diminish that workmanship somewhat since its popular to just download one or a few songs instead of downloading the whole album. The artist has thought about where each song is going to go on the album, the little interludes etc, before people would have just bought the whole album of an artist they kinda liked, now a lot more people just get the songs they like.

2. I never compared youtube audio to a cd, but fact is everytime a particular track/album is passed on from one place to another, its compressed somewhat, its obviously not a huge difference but there is a difference.

3. I was talking about mp3s, as in paid ones from the likes of itunes, if you wipe your system or something, its gone, obviously you can back stuff up but point is its not gona happen with a cd. Some paid sites dont even let you transfer the mp3s from where you downloaded them to. You said yourself, mp3s are easily wiped out. And you can go on about scratching and dirt on cds but its far easier to damage the circuitry of a usb/hardrive (external or internal :rolleyes: )/mp3 player.

4. Thanks, I do use an external hardrive, but anything I really wanna keep goes onto cds/dvds, real important stuff. It's not losing or dropping it I'd have to worry about, the mechanics of usbs etc are more fickle than the mechanics of a cd.

Fad

Predominately download for a variety of reasons.

1) I want the industry in its current form to die, it is killing off bands.

2) Music I listen to can all to often to physically buy in Ireland (And I dont want to pay for a set of DRM files, and would realistically rather not get into internet shopping if I can avoid it, I'm a student with a small income and getting a credit card wouldnt be a brilliant idea......not good with money)

3) When a band bothers their arse touring here, I go to see them, I spend money on merch (More than most probably). I dont download their music to undermine their efforts to profit from their craft. But I cant justify spending €15 on a CD when the absolute max the band will see is a fiver per unit(And that's Metallica we're talking about).

If a local band (That I like) release a CD, on a tiny label or release it themselves, I really wont hesitate in buying it, but that case is seldom.

I buy the occasional CD for completions sake (Metallica, New Order, stuff like that) but beyond that very little. I spent silly amounts of money on CDs between the ages of 14 and 17 buying random CDs by bands, so at this stage, I've given labels enough money.......

--LOS--

Fad wrote: »

3) When a band bothers their arse touring here

Yep, they might think twice about zooming on by us.

Fad wrote: »

I've given labels enough money.......

I agree, who are we really supporting buying cds, most of it does not go to the artist. I do think that downloading has probably damaged the music industry as far as the quality of music is concerned but I just cant justify paying for music downloads, you cant ban every illegal downloading site or chase down every perpetrator, there will always be loop-holes and thats unpreventable. I would love to be able to afford to buy cds and ensure Im supporting the artist but thats just being nostalgic.

Mushy

--LOS-- wrote: »

Yep, they might think twice about zooming on by us.



I agree, who are we really supporting buying cds, most of it does not go to the artist. I do think that downloading has probably damaged the music industry as far as the quality of music is concerned but I just cant justify paying for music downloads, you cant ban every illegal downloading site or chase down every perpetrator, there will always be loop-holes and thats unpreventable. I would love to be able to afford to buy cds and ensure Im supporting the artist but thats just being nostalgic.

As much as I agree with yourself and Fad here bout not wanting to give the record labels money, I think it affects the decision for a band to tour places. I use porcupine tree as an example, if people in Ireland are downloading their album, obviously it won't entice them to come here. Hate the way my favourite roadrunner bands don't play here.

Motley Crue

Mushy wrote: »

Hate the way my favourite roadrunner bands don't play here.

I've done some promo work with RR in the past and a few other labels. I won't go into details but one of the reasons, as told to me by a Roadrunner Rep, about why bands don't usually come to Ireland either preceding or following a large UK tour is the expense.

The band can have a bad night in Newcastle, for example, but make it up in Leeds the following night...whereas coming over to the Republic means currency changes, tax, transport costs, extra fuel costs and paying support bands to come with them...then you've got the Insurance for the group and using the equipment, which has to be changed to deal with a company that deals within Ireland.....Ireland also has late night ferries to get groups back across to the UK in time for another gig the next night but these can be extremely expensive on a budget

it's hard to break even with costs and most of the bands who do come here for smaller scale tours (American Head Charge, WASP for example) end up loosing more money then they gain...but that's just one reason, there could be countless other's, but it's as valid as any

Malice

--LOS-- wrote: »

Haha I dont think its that unclear!

Well obviously you don't, you wrote the post . The phrase

the songs often lose their place when youre downloading them

didn't make sense to me at the time. Now that you've clarified it, it does. So :rolleyes: right back at you.

--LOS-- wrote:

1. Obviously you can listen to songs in the same order as was intended by the artist when the cd was put together :rolleyes: but downloading music in general (not just downloading albums) does diminish that workmanship somewhat since its popular to just download one or a few songs instead of downloading the whole album. The artist has thought about where each song is going to go on the album, the little interludes etc, before people would have just bought the whole album of an artist they kinda liked, now a lot more people just get the songs they like.

You do realise that people have been taking individual songs and putting them together for a long time? Downloading didn't begin that trend, I'd say mix tapes did.

--LOS-- wrote:

2. I never compared youtube audio to a cd, but fact is everytime a particular track/album is passed on from one place to another, its compressed somewhat, its obviously not a huge difference but there is a difference.

Well, maybe you didn't compare them directly but what you posted was

I do hear the sound difference, cd is better quality

and

I get all my music from youtube using a video to mp3 converter

As for the YouTube sound quality, sure you can be fortunate and get a decent-sounding track, other times you get something that sounds like it was recorded through a loudspeaker with a Fisher-Price microphone with added crackle and hum for an authentic bootleg experience.

--LOS-- wrote:

3. I was talking about mp3s, as in paid ones from the likes of itunes, if you wipe your system or something, its gone, obviously you can back stuff up but point is its not gona happen with a cd. Some paid sites dont even let you transfer the mp3s from where you downloaded them to. You said yourself, mp3s are easily wiped out. And you can go on about scratching and dirt on cds but its far easier to damage the circuitry of a usb/hardrive (external or internal :rolleyes: )/mp3 player.

I don't use iTunes so I can't comment on how easy it is to back up downloads from there. I still think you're being unfair to USB devices though. I once closed a car door on a USB stick (I had left it plugged into a computer which was on the floor between the back and front seats). The top half of the case cracked and fell off but the unit itself was grand and still works. I can't imagine a CD surviving the same treatment .

--LOS-- wrote:

4. Thanks, I do use an external hardrive, but anything I really wanna keep goes onto cds/dvds, real important stuff. It's not losing or dropping it I'd have to worry about, the mechanics of usbs etc are more fickle than the mechanics of a cd.

Each to their own I guess. Speaking of which, I see Komplett are now selling a 1.5TB external drive for just under €100.

--LOS--

Malice_ wrote: »

So :rolleyes: right back at you.

Well I just thought it was pretty condescending to ask if I thought that songs cant be played in their default order!

Malice_ wrote: »

You do realise that people have been taking individual songs and putting them together for a long time? Downloading didn't begin that trend, I'd say mix tapes did.

Same goes for this^^
I have many cassette tapes but you still cant deny that downloading encourages way more people listen to music "shuffled" if you like, I'd put a cd on, let it play, put another on, I'd know the songs by the track number, now its become a habit to have everything together on a randomiser, certainly for myself and especially for bands you are not that that into, before I would have just bought cds by artists I wasnt all that familiar with, I would have given their whole body of work more of a chance before.

Malice_ wrote: »

I still think you're being unfair to USB devices though. I once closed a car door on a USB stick (I had left it plugged into a computer which was on the floor between the back and front seats). The top half of the case cracked and fell off but the unit itself was grand and still works. I can't imagine a CD surviving the same treatment .

Mp3s etc are great for space saving but from my own experience Ive had cds for years and theyre perfect, Ive damaged a few usbs in that time, cds actually cope pretty well with dirt/damage thanks to their error correcting codes. What Im really saying is that if Im going to spend money on music, Id probably rather have the cd coz its more permanent imo, in some cases theres not even much difference between the price of legal download and cd. I think the price of legal ones need to be a lot cheaper to justify losing a load of music and having to download it again. Im pro usbs, my issue is with paying for what is to some exaggeration a disposable item when all music/movies are readily available free which is now unavoidable and needs to be accepted.

o1s1n

--LOS-- wrote: »

I have many cassette tapes but you still cant deny that downloading encourages way more people listen to music "shuffled" if you like, I'd put a cd on, let it play, put another on, I'd know the songs by the track number, now its become a habit to have everything together on a randomiser, certainly for myself and especially for bands you are not that that into, before I would have just bought cds by artists I wasnt all that familiar with, I would have given their whole body of work more of a chance before.

Who cares what it encourages to be honest. If you like to listen to albums through then it doesn't matter what media you listen to them on, you still have that option with mp3s. Saying that's a negative point with mp3s is a bit silly to be honest. It's just to do with your own self control.

I listen to mp3s all the time and would say I mostly listen to albums through.

--LOS-- wrote: »

Mp3s etc are great for space saving but from my own experience Ive had cds for years and theyre perfect, Ive damaged a few usbs in that time, cds actually cope pretty well with dirt/damage thanks to their error correcting codes. What Im really saying is that if Im going to spend money on music, Id probably rather have the cd coz its more permanent imo, in some cases theres not even much difference between the price of legal download and cd. I think the price of legal ones need to be a lot cheaper to justify losing a load of music and having to download it again. Im pro usbs, my issue is with paying for what is to some exaggeration a disposable item when all music/movies are readily available free which is now unavoidable and needs to be accepted.

I agree with you when it comes to paying for stuff. If I pay for something I want a physical copy. I have never paid for a download and never will. If I did I'd be pretty paranoid about losing data.

Seeing as I download everything for free, there really isn't as much a fear of losing data. Well, I wouldn't like to lose my music collection as it would be a right pain to get back, and I've built it up over many years, but at least it's possible! I do back it all up onto ever hard drive I buy though.

--LOS--

o1s1n wrote: »

Who cares what it encourages to be honest.

I dont! It was just a comment on cd culture pre downloading, I really didnt care for going into detail on it, only someone asked me to clear something up.

o1s1n

--LOS-- wrote: »

I dont! It was just a comment on cd culture pre downloading, I really didnt care for going into detail on it, only someone asked me to clear something up.

Funnily enough, you could say the same about CDs.

When my parents first bought a CD player, my dad commented on how they promote skipping tracks.

'Back in my day when I put on a vinyl record, I'd listen to the whole thing through..it was too much trouble to get up and lift the needle'

Malice

--LOS-- wrote: »

Well I just thought it was pretty condescending to ask if I thought that songs cant be played in their default order!

That wasn't what I asked you. I asked you to clarify what you'd written. It wasn't meant to be taken as condescending at all.

--LOS-- wrote:

you still cant deny that downloading encourages way more people listen to music "shuffled" if you like

Well if they've only downloaded one or two songs off an album that's all they can do isn't it?

--LOS--

Motley Crue

^^what's ironic is that while you too have been fighting I've been downloading illegal music:rolleyes:

Malice

Motley Crue wrote: »

^^what's ironic is that while you too have been fighting I've been downloading illegal music:rolleyes:

Can't you multitask? Anyway, I wasn't fighting, I was conducting a discussion.