I'm a loser, help!

Ry

First and foremost let's get this out of the way. I'm **** at Street Fighter 4 and I know it down to the fact I can't beat anyone and suffer loss after loss and can go 40 50 to a hundred matches online lost in a row and I've actually counted.

The problem is, I can't deal with losing well at all. I'm talking about consistent losing. I can't just accept it. I get this build up of sheer rage and I want to smash anything I can see and quite often do and I hate it because it stresses me out and only makes me worse and worse at what I'm doing. I think "**** it give the game a break" but the problem is I HATE doing that because I'm leaving after a thrashing and feel like I'm totally defeated which just enrages me even more to continue so I'm trapped in this endless circle of tearing my hair out, shouting at my screen, smashing my keyboard to pieces anger that I can't sort out.

I know how strange it might seem but really guys I actually think I'm in need of help or something cuz I know how bad it is but I don't know how to deal with it.

I've googled **** but all I get is crap about dealing with a loss of a loved one or stuff like that. There's nothing about dealing with rage or anger from losing in games apart from a **** wiki How-to thing which is not very deep at all.

Does anyone have the same issue and or does anyone know where I might find some kind of info on how to deal with it? It's getting to the stage where I have to quit playing a game entirely just to avoid the rages it causes if I lose because I can't take being beat so much. Don't get me wrong i don't mind losing if it's a good fight whatever it is but it's consistent decisive losses that send me over the edge into manic rage ye know.

I know what most people will say and that is "When I lose I just try to learn from it and move on and I don't let it bother me really cuz I know I'll get better" etc, etc. I'm well aware of that mentality and I strive to develop it but I've tried and tried yet I'm still overwhelmingly bothered by the losses that I can't position my train of thought in that way at all.

Anyway thoughts on how you guys deal with losing would be a start thanks!

Xluna

There's an official players guide available but at the end of the day you just have to practise. I've been playing S.F. series for eighteen years and I'm still learning.

chopperbyrne

Stop playing online or at least only play player matches with people who you know you'll get a good connection with and will happily discuss the matches with you.

Basically, just play lots of matches with members of our community. The replays and lobby features that will be in Super will probably help a lot as it's winner stays on so you get a few minutes to calm down and maybe chat with people in the lobby while watching the winner to see if you can notice anything you can exploit for next time.

Ry

Xluna wrote: »

There's an official players guide available but at the end of the day you just have to practise. I've been playing S.F. series for eighteen years and I'm still learning.

It's not just street fighter but Street fighter has definitely been at the forefront of my gaming lately. I'm addicted to it yet it infuriates me constantly so I'm at a loss what to do there. I'd like to avoid quitting entirely just to save my sanity.

bush

I used to get pissed off a lot when I played on pad when id lose cos of moves not coming out or the wrong move coming out. When I started playing with a stick I calmed down a lot cos I was loosing through a fault of my own. I can handle loosing if its my fault.
I didnt have my stick for ages awhile back and went back to playing on the saturn pad. It made me even madder than before. I would try throw with chun and somehow end up with ex hasan shu. This cost me meter and the match a load of times and sent me wrong. Id throw the pad, stamp on it etc and sometimes id have to take the pad apart between matches to fix it. I dunno how the pads still work with the abuse I gave them. I was close to throwing the pad out the window one day. Its embarrassing

You just have to force yourself to stop playing when your getting pissed off cos the more you play the more pissed off you will get. Go into training mode or something for awhile or stop playing altogether. I read some funny stories about rage on srk. Some people said they do press ups when they get pissed off and one dude said he looks at a tree outside for a minute or something. Get a punching bag and beat the **** out of that :pac:

Im fine at the moment, I rarely get angry with the game anymore besides the odd bit of lag. I usually just throw the match if its laggy now, its not worth it.

Dreddybajs

Yeah lag is one of the only things that makes me angry when I play, usually to do with teching throws and getting thrown anyway. Playing in person or against someone with a good connection I don't usually get mad - I think it's having played thousands of games to be honest. When you've played an awful lot, it gets a lot harder to get pissed off at yourself for a single match.

bush

This you ry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7TXUNAPTGw

L31mr0d

funnily enough, used to get angry at losses. But after reading that Sirlin article regarding scrubs, the knowledge that by letting a defeat make me mad (or blaming lag or "cheap tactics") is actually making me more of a scrub has completely stopped this.

Actually found it odd how relaxed I am playing now with this knowledge. Rather than each match coming down to a battle of skills and adrenaline fueled it feels more like a casual game of battle ship, just a lot faster paced obviously. Where each of us is trying to guess what move the opponent is going to make next.

Azza

Give into your anger, only your hatred can destroy me!

I can get mad sometime too but not too much, but that evil evil game Pro Evolution Soccer brought out the worst in me.

I take comfort in the fact that I play the only character in the game thats balanced, unlike those other 24 cheap feckers. I suppose Sagat isn't too bad but when people pick cheap characters like Gen, Sakura and of course the overpowered Vega (he has a claw for god sakes) I just pitty these skilless players that have to relie on such lame ass overpowered character just so they can win.

There is no honor in this game unless your spamming light scissor kicks.

And thats a fact. :pac:

Dictator has spoken.

Seriously its just a game, unless your spending an insane amount of time playing it there is always going to be better players and you will run into them from time to time. Keep practising and learn the match ups is all I can say.

Seifer

Most people hate losing and have a lot more fun when they're winning. Obviously you can have some great losses and some victories that aren't fun because you stomp someone so badly but generally this is how most people are wired.
You seem to be saying that you lose more often than you win or least go on huge loss streaks. Maybe it's time to accept that this game isn't for you. The joy you get from winning is significantly less than the frustration you feel during a string of losses. Life's too short to be getting so pissed off doing something you're supposed to be enjoying.

Ry wrote:

It's getting to the stage where I have to quit playing a game entirely just to avoid the rages it causes if I lose because I can't take being beat so much. Don't get me wrong i don't mind losing if it's a good fight whatever it is but it's consistent decisive losses that send me over the edge into manic rage ye know

You seemed to have figured this out for yourself too.

Ry

bush wrote: »

I used to get pissed off a lot when I played on pad when id lose cos of moves not coming out or the wrong move coming out. When I started playing with a stick I calmed down a lot cos I was loosing through a fault of my own. I can handle loosing if its my fault.
I didnt have my stick for ages awhile back and went back to playing on the saturn pad. It made me even madder than before. I would try throw with chun and somehow end up with ex hasan shu. This cost me meter and the match a load of times and sent me wrong. Id throw the pad, stamp on it etc and sometimes id have to take the pad apart between matches to fix it. I dunno how the pads still work with the abuse I gave them. I was close to throwing the pad out the window one day. Its embarrassing

You just have to force yourself to stop playing when your getting pissed off cos the more you play the more pissed off you will get. Go into training mode or something for awhile or stop playing altogether. I read some funny stories about rage on srk. Some people said they do press ups when they get pissed off and one dude said he looks at a tree outside for a minute or something. Get a punching bag and beat the **** out of that :pac:

Im fine at the moment, I rarely get angry with the game anymore besides the odd bit of lag. I usually just throw the match if its laggy now, its not worth it.

Very similar only usually I've just enough sense about me to stop myself damaging something I can't replace or that would cost me a fortune unlike the chap in that video but many things have been broken and I've definitely lost hair from my head a few times. I will quit playing if I can't come to some kind of solution but I love the game which is would make it so difficult to do. I doubt I'd have the will.

I don't get pissed off losing to people in person at the tourney's. I feel a bit disappointed if it's decisive but that's the extent of it and I'm a hundred times less bothered because I know everyone at the tourney's is good and this is how I reason with myself but online I can vividly see how bad people I'm fighting are and how bad their game is yet they still manage to grab a victory somehow even with their awful play and it sends me off on a mad one because I know it shouldn't have gone that way.

I think the way it seems to be if I think about it is: If I think I've a chance of winning and I fail, I can't accept my defeat properly, unless it was pretty balanced and I know I played well enough compared to what I believe to be my own standard or level of play. Otherwise I lose control and smash the nearest thing to me (quite often my keyboard. I've had to put it back together too many times.)

Xluna

Ry wrote: »

It's not just street fighter but Street fighter has definitely been at the forefront of my gaming lately. I'm addicted to it yet it infuriates me constantly so I'm at a loss what to do there. I'd like to avoid quitting entirely just to save my sanity.

Stick with your best fighter to begin with.Use practise and start with repeating special moves,ten reps each. Then move onto basic combos.i.e. Ryu/Ken/Akuma three hit fireball combo.(Jump HP,Crouching HP into hadoken.) Practise with cross overs,counters and most importantly-timing. Don't just attack and throw special moves for the sake of it. Learn distance,timing and strategy. Then focus on your characters strengths and weakness' against each other character, good luck.

K.O.Kiki

How about a nice cuppa tea?


Nah srsly though, you just gotta learn to live with it. I've got a winning percentage (online) of maybe 20%, and I haven't made Top 16 since first RanBat.
But all you can do really is keep training, keep learning from your mistakes, and then someday - BAM! You'll double-Perfect Farz*

*not a guarantee

Placebo

no cup of tea will let ry double perfect me.
He has gotten better over time, i think execution problems = greatest frustration. Also championship mode has a huge thing to do with it, you probably end up fighting some flow chart ken that taunts you and wins by chance and you never get to play him and you feel rotten and feel like cutting your wrists and writing a few sonnets, so play PLAYER MATCHES. get that revenge

some day, you will stop being an angry loser. That day i will congratulate you but for now, i changed my sig so you can get all the support you need.

We are here for you RY, we always will. Its the internets !!!111 :D:D

Doctor DooM

Ry I think it's just a tiny attitude adjustment you need to make.

You say you don't mind losing in person at the tournaments. I always have a fun day at them regardless myself and even if I do perform poorly (it's only in the last couple I've won more fights than I have lost) I'm enjoying the skill and the camaradarie of it all.

You get annoyed losing online, it seems. Here's the thing:

Online doesn't mean jack ****.

All it's good for is practice. Practice moves, tactics zoning, stuff like that. But ultimately there's a three frame minimum delay on everything you do and the guy you're fighting isn't going to turn around and help you. Just go meh, it doesn't matter.

I used to lose all the time online and hated it with a passion. Now I just use it for practice while I wait for a good player who I know to come along. I'm still only in G2 and I'm in no hurry to go much further. Sparring with ayjay and the regs here in online is what really upskills me.

Speaking of ayjay, maybe he'd be good for some advice, seeing as he is Ry to my farzad. He's put in alot of work now and I consider him one of these threats who have yet to make their mark.


Ugh, that's distrbing even saying it.

Sairus

I don't get pissed off losing to people in person at the tourney's.

Maybe you can get a manikin or blow up doll and sit them beside you holding a controller when you play online?
And if that doesn't work, at least with the latter you can have angry sex to calm yourself down.

homemadextc

theres something else you can do it requires close to no effort , become a super scrub lol embrace the scrubiness so to speak i mean i did it and now i win the majority of the time and heres how.

Pick akuma teleport like crazy and hado the opponent to their grave, you will obviously learn to take advantage of certain openings as you opponent becomes sloppy in their attempt to catch you and learn to ultra trap people ............akuma has the best wakeup game , combos ,ultra etc etc **** that akuma has got teleport and the best fireballs in the game stay way back and hado your heart out

There are other options ie the ken scrub, the sagat scrub or the cammy scrub but these all require timing and the ability to block cross ups etc. not with akuma teleport has a 0 frame start up so wakeup pressure is gone

L31mr0d

homemadextc wrote: »

Pick akuma teleport like crazy and hado the opponent to their grave

Don't forget, taunt #7 bait into redfireball... 60% of the time it works everytime

L31mr0d

RopeDrink wrote: »

Y'know, get two people together, cup of tea, get ready to punch eachother in the face - This'll be fun, surely?

I've started using a good gauge to see how seriously the other player is looking to play. If I'm in the mood to just mess around, trying out different stuff to see what works, I'll usually play the first match as Dan, if they decide to combo me out of the super taunt it lets me know that they are more in it to win by any means then just looking for some relaxed casuals.

Depending on what mood I'm in I'll either stay in the match or go back into Arcade mode and wait for another player invite.

Doctor DooM

L31mr0d wrote: »

I've started using a good gauge to see how seriously the other player is looking to play. If I'm in the mood to just mess around, trying out different stuff to see what works, I'll usually play the first match as Dan, if they decide to combo me out of the super taunt it lets me know that they are more in it to win by any means then just looking for some relaxed casuals.

Depending on what mood I'm in I'll either stay in the match or go back into Arcade mode and wait for another player invite.

In my case, just ask me. I hate when people pick Dan when I am in "training for a tournament" mode!

K.O.Kiki

homemadextc wrote: »

theres something else you can do it requires close to no effort , become a super scrub lol embrace the scrubiness so to speak i mean i did it and now i win the majority of the time and heres how.

Pick akuma teleport like crazy and hado the opponent to their grave, you will obviously learn to take advantage of certain openings as you opponent becomes sloppy in their attempt to catch you and learn to ultra trap people ............akuma has the best wakeup game , combos ,ultra etc etc **** that akuma has got teleport and the best fireballs in the game stay way back and hado your heart out

There are other options ie the ken scrub, the sagat scrub or the cammy scrub but these all require timing and the ability to block cross ups etc. not with akuma teleport has a 0 frame start up so wakeup pressure is gone

I'm... not sure sure if this would work against some of our players here...

ayjayirl

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I'm... not sure sure if this would work against some of our players here...

I'd have to agree with Kiki on this one. You would be killed quicker than snow melting in the Sahara doing that. =p

Placebo

I think you need to change character btw,
this Ry Ryu connection you have in your head is not only disturbing but its just not working out for you. Besides everyone knows Ryu's moves inside out, i know what youre gonna do next before even you know it. :eek:

Also i take complete full fledge responsibility for making Ry feel this way. I assumed a fierce constant day after day beating would make him tough but instead it has resulted in him having a complete breakdown, im sorry pal. My bad.

ayjayirl

Placebo wrote: »

I think you need to change character btw,
this Ry Ryu connection you have in your head is not only disturbing but its just not working out for you. Besides everyone knows Ryu's moves inside out, i know what youre gonna do next before even you know it. :eek:

Also i take complete full fledge responsibility for making Ry feel this way. I assumed a fierce constant day after day beating would make him tough but instead it has resulted in him having a complete breakdown, im sorry pal. My bad.

and its a wonder - you are easy to beat =p

Placebo

ayjayirl wrote: »

and its a wonder - you are easy to beat =p

Poor Ry :(:(

ayjayirl

Placebo wrote: »

Poor Ry :(:(

Talking to you Farz

SoupyNorman

Hi OP,


I think you need some schooling in the art of PVP. My suggestion is to box up the PS3, store it away in a safe place. Then go get yourself a World of Warcraft account, level a Warrior to 80 and win all the PVP accolades theres is no matter how long it takes.

(This will take about 2years)

Thrust me, after that you'll be a rock hard Ray Winston PVP'er. No matter what the game.

FutureGuy

Ry wrote: »

First and foremost let's get this out of the way. I'm **** at Street Fighter 4 and I know it down to the fact I can't beat anyone and suffer loss after loss and can go 40 50 to a hundred matches online lost in a row and I've actually counted.

The problem is, I can't deal with losing well at all. I'm talking about consistent losing. I can't just accept it. I get this build up of sheer rage and I want to smash anything I can see and quite often do and I hate it because it stresses me out and only makes me worse and worse at what I'm doing. I think "**** it give the game a break" but the problem is I HATE doing that because I'm leaving after a thrashing and feel like I'm totally defeated which just enrages me even more to continue so I'm trapped in this endless circle of tearing my hair out, shouting at my screen, smashing my keyboard to pieces anger that I can't sort out.

I know how strange it might seem but really guys I actually think I'm in need of help or something cuz I know how bad it is but I don't know how to deal with it.

I've googled **** but all I get is crap about dealing with a loss of a loved one or stuff like that. There's nothing about dealing with rage or anger from losing in games apart from a **** wiki How-to thing which is not very deep at all.

Does anyone have the same issue and or does anyone know where I might find some kind of info on how to deal with it? It's getting to the stage where I have to quit playing a game entirely just to avoid the rages it causes if I lose because I can't take being beat so much. Don't get me wrong i don't mind losing if it's a good fight whatever it is but it's consistent decisive losses that send me over the edge into manic rage ye know.

I know what most people will say and that is "When I lose I just try to learn from it and move on and I don't let it bother me really cuz I know I'll get better" etc, etc. I'm well aware of that mentality and I strive to develop it but I've tried and tried yet I'm still overwhelmingly bothered by the losses that I can't position my train of thought in that way at all.

Anyway thoughts on how you guys deal with losing would be a start thanks!

When I start getting hammered by a player in Player matches, I love it! Why? Because I find myself in a position where I am playing a player that is far superior to me and I will learn a ton by doing so.

I would advise to keep a notebook beside you when playing. Wrie down any ideas on why you lost/won etc and review at the end of a session. Identify where you are losing games and try to get eliminate it from your game. How are people getting lots of damage...learn and copy what they are doing right.

Please add me (Garak001). I'm not the best player here my a mile but I do have a better outlook on losing. We can play and have a chat if you're up for it and I could give you pointers.

joconnell

homemadextc wrote: »

Pick akuma teleport like crazy and hado the opponent to their grave, you will obviously learn to take advantage of certain openings as you opponent becomes sloppy in their attempt to catch you and learn to ultra trap people ............akuma has the best wakeup game , combos ,ultra etc etc **** that akuma has got teleport and the best fireballs in the game stay way back and hado your heart out

I quite like your play style - you're waiting for someone else to do something and countering most stages - looks really calm and solid. You on pc or ps3?

ayjayirl

joconnell wrote: »

Originally Posted by homemadextc View Post

Pick akuma teleport like crazy and hado the opponent to their grave, you will obviously learn to take advantage of certain openings as you opponent becomes sloppy in their attempt to catch you and learn to ultra trap people ............akuma has the best wakeup game , combos ,ultra etc etc **** that akuma has got teleport and the best fireballs in the game stay way back and hado your heart out

I quite like your play style - you're waiting for someone else to do something and countering most stages - looks really calm and solid. You on pc or ps3?

In the interest of Ry not following this advice (just my opinion with a view to helping a community member out) I must pick this strategy apart a little. If you want to reduce your rage there are many options outside of SF4 but in the interest of stopping the cause (losing) you should take a serious look at what alot of the guys on here already know. Playing to Win! There is already a thread about that so I am not going into it in detail (someone help me with the link) but a couple of points about the above strategy

"Pick akuma teleport like crazy and hado the opponent to their grave" - When akuma teleports he has a recover time just after it where your opponent can attack and with akumas health this is not something you want. Also, for the hado game there is always jumping over them of focus-cancel through them.

"obviously learn to take advantage of certain openings as you opponent becomes sloppy in their attempt to catch you" - relying on your opponent to **** up or get frustrated is not anyway to improve your game. Thats a matter par for the course, if your opponent messes up, destroy him. But in order to imrpove your game you should be more creative in 'making' them mess it up

"best wake-up" - ??????? The best wake up is the one that works. There is always block/throw which every character has.

"best fireballs in the game" - Terry, feel free to take this one....

Just my 2 cents and I am not trying to just pick at homemadextc's opinion but Ry posted genuinely looking for advice and I felt that given I didn't agree with one posted I thought I should post a reply.

Xinkai

It's like my friend always says 'The Only Way To Become Good Is Be Consistently Raped Until You Become The Rapist'

Or do what i did... quit **** fighter 4 and play blazblue

Ry

Placebo wrote: »

I think you need to change character btw,
this Ry Ryu connection you have in your head is not only disturbing but its just not working out for you. Besides everyone knows Ryu's moves inside out, i know what youre gonna do next before even you know it. :eek:

Also i take complete full fledge responsibility for making Ry feel this way. I assumed a fierce constant day after day beating would make him tough but instead it has resulted in him having a complete breakdown, im sorry pal. My bad.

The Ry Ryu thing is not actually connected at all as you know. Ry is an abbreviation of Ryan (my name obviously) which I've been called since birth thanks.
The fact I play Ryu is the same reason so many people do. It's the one everyone knows and started with. Secondly I actually hate playing as Ryu because everyone know's how to play against him and everyone uses him too or has done at some stage and I am trying to move away from him to a character I actually like more as a whole rather than just playing him out of circumstance. I'm tired of the mirror matches but he's the only one I can win with which adds to my frustration.

Yes you did hammer me for a long time but the tables definitely turned on that one and It's been you who's been receiving the beatings and screaming wildly at your HORI 3 as of late iirc . I'm definitely trying to move away from Ryu to Viper and I know before people say it. Viper's Execution is x, y and z difficult but to be honest I'm not having too bad a time with her at all pulling off her stuff and I can see that practice will allow me to use her though implementing it into a fight is proving tough but again that's just a matter of repetition of input so that it becomes second nature as so many of Ryu's bread and butter's have become.

The problem is the rage and dealing with losing not what character to use. I can win if I practice and play more as I've found from playing you Farz but when I lose why can't I accept it and deal with the loss calmly rather than smashing **** or roaring like an idiot!? This is fundamentally what I'm trying to seek info or experience from others who've had similar reactions to it like what Bush was saying about stamping his controller ha!

Sairus

Mainly the only times I actually get really frustrated is when I'm being beaten by someone that I know I should be able to beat, and am just going down because I'm not responding intelligently enough. To overcome that sort of anger I find it's very useful to have someone sitting beside you, even if you're not playing against them, just so you can vent to them about what's going on in the match - ie saying stuff like, "man, I shouldn't have jumped there, should have focus attacked". If you dont have anyone you can use as a verbal sparring dummy, open up MSN or whatever and give some random guy a running commentary of what's going on.
Even if the responses are just 'lol' and 'damn you suck', venting generally helps sort out my frustration.

Alternatively, if you're losing a long series of matches because of bad playing on your part, you've probably been playing too long and just need a break.

EDIT: And yet another alternative: Just crank out Dan and have a joke Player Match with some random dude. Even if you lose spectacularly, it doesn't mean anything and can get you back in the mood.

homemadextc

yes ajay as you pointed out good players will bait out your teleport and punish it, sure it wont improve your game but as the majority of people online arent good [and these are the people hes losing too] it will work on them unless pc players differ from xbox but anyway

and sure i was just biggin up akuma mostly there but you cant apply the type off mind games, mix ups, tic throws to poeple online that you want to because they suck for the large part [6 out of ten people you play online will fall under this category] they will play the most random way, not being skillfully unpredictable, just feckin random you need to out scrub them with the abuse of your characters safest moves in akumas case

and yes ajay akumas vortex is the best wake up game in my opinion, teleport does have recovery but unless your opponent has an ultra they will not reach the furthest edge of the screen after jumping in on you to apply wakeup pressure .........and as for best fireball, in a spam war his will beat everyone elses forcing them to jump first not to mention he can cross up with them, sonic boom is pretty sweet but only because of its recovery the fact akuma will make anyone jump or get knocked down makes them vunerable

homemadextc

joconnell wrote: »

I quite like your play style - you're waiting for someone else to do something and countering most stages - looks really calm and solid. You on pc or ps3?

no i assure you its pretty gay and im xbox

bush

I think switching to viper is really bad idea. Learning a new character is frustrating, nevermind learning the hardest character to use.

animaX

You know, its a real coincidence that you bring this up now because I got really angry myself for the first time EVER last night. Now that I've almost entirely switched to rufus, I'm not as confident with some of the matchups. Which is fine usually but i don't know what I was thinking last nite.

I wanted to win one more championship before quitting for the night. I got to a final and lost but that was ok. Got to another final and lost. Got annoyed. Lost another final and was enraged! The thing is, I kept playing and I could see that my play was getting a lot worse. I was impatient and wanted a quick finish. Playing with rage is just not good. I vowed never to let that happen again.

bush

Some of my worst rage moments were learning rufus :pac:

Sagat06

My advice is play a long session against bush or azza, you will get so mad you will just break and everything else will be fine after that!!

agree with bush though picking viper will not help your rage, even trying to do her trials nearly had me punching the tele!

If I'm getting frustrated with my Blanka I change to a shoto just to mix it up a bit, it's like playing a different game.

Jumpy

bush wrote: »

Some of my worst rage moments were learning rufus :pac:

Gah, I usually want to let people who play Rufus win. That way I dont have to see his belly wobble when he hits the ground on a KO. Blech.

Cunny-Funt

homemadextc wrote: »

There are other options ie the ken scrub, the sagat scrub or the cammy scrub but these all require timing and the ability to block cross ups etc. not with akuma teleport has a 0 frame start up so wakeup pressure is gone

I think flowchart is the word your looking for rather than scrub








Ry I've spoken to you about this before, I'm not sure what else to add. As a player you've gotta a lot better a lot faster then most but I suppose you'd still lack a lot of experience. I would also say its actually the rage itself thats costing you some loses.

I think the issue here with Street Fighter is that its a very adrenaline pumping game that has you on the limit of fast reactions and fast thinking. We get into a state of mind that as humans would normally be the equivalent to playing a sport, or just physical activity in general.

We build up a lot of energy inside, energy that's not going anywhere.

So when that trigger happens that sets us off , whether its losing, lag, missing inputs etc, that built up energy will flow right into that area. So instead of being miffed or, a little frustrated... we get enraged. Then comes the urge to release that energy by hitting things or letting out a roar of curses or whatever.

So with that being said, what bush said about some of the american players doing a quick few push ups before the match actually makes sense.

So maybe you need to find some little thing like that where when you feel the rage come on , you can tackle it early, thus play better. Close your eyes and take 10 deeo breaths or some shit.


& as for getting better with viper, play close attention her section on SRK, try and find a really good viper player, add them and play them as much as possible to pick up things.

Since her combos are so important, I'd maybe do some training drills on all her b&b, and so on.


Anyway that's my advice, has for my own experiences with rage in the game well I've already talked about that with Ry but I'll add here anyway since others have done so, even though this post is too long as it is.

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I'd be most like bush here. I don't mind losing at all. Its missed inputs that drive me up the wall.

I've no issue with losing at all i've always seen it as a learning experience because well, losing was actually my main way of learning back when I started in 3s. There was no training mode in 3s either.

With 3s I had this niche of people who were generally on a pretty high level, and I went in head 1st to online play, not even knowing how to cancel or super cancel. Never mind anything about the game. & I was raped constantly. never had a problem with it, why should I? I felt proud of myself looking at their health bars and how close I was to koing them, even if I didnt.

Cause in my mind, they should be double perfecting me over and over, I knew nothing about the game. 3s was great as after the loss you were straight into the next fight, no messing around, so you'd get LOADS of rounds in, I'd never pay attention to the win loss ratio it wasn't in your face like it is in SF4.

Anyway I got to the stage where I'd could kick the crap out of people a lot of people, was only then that rage became an issue. As now I could give these guys a high level fight,

-but wtf is this? Ken didnt do that bad ass move I told him to do, no, instead he's gona and done something retarded, now I've been Koed and made look like a scub who doesnt know how to play the game- and I'd start to lose it.

It'd build up slowly, but once I got that one bit annoyed, t'was always a slippy slope and the more things that went wrong, even small things, the angrier I'd get.

When I lose it I get very vocal "FUCK SAKE" and "DO THE FUCKING MOVE I TOLD YOU TO DO" or "what the FUUUUUUUUUUUCK?" as my character does something totally opposite to what I wanted.

This could be happening and I;d be otherwise really enjoying the fight. & after the fight was over I'd be thinking that was great, the rage would be instantly gone. Other times though I might not have thought it was a GG at all but still, I found the rage would go the second I finished fighting.

Thing is people in the gaf are not happy with this at all obviously, and can't understand why someone would be so angry just sitting in a chair playing a game, and why they'd continue to play it if it makes them angry, no way could they be having fun.

Thing is when I used to play football I was the same, if I missed a shot and the ball went wide I'd be vocal and shout FUCK but that's fine cause im on a field running around and so its seen as normal.

Anyway I'm not as bad as I used to be at all but still let off a few shouts every now and then, on stick its started happening. I don't break things though although I've slammed my stick off my knee a little, its not hard and just pent up energy needing to go somewhere.

But I do get frustrated easily and this kills my game so I do still need to overcome that.

bush wrote: »

I didnt have my stick for ages awhile back and went back to playing on the saturn pad. It made me even madder than before. I would try throw with chun and somehow end up with ex hasan shu. This cost me meter and the match a load of times and sent me wrong.

this is me on stick so much.

Anyway sorry this is yet again another long arse post, always happens when I get to a thread late , sigh lol.

SoupyNorman

RopeDrink wrote: »

No, you'll be an ArP stacked full Furious Geared Arms Warrior scrub who kill things in 2hits after they Heirloom power levelled to 80 in two days not knowing what to press so they decide to roll their face on the keyboard.

Keep WoW analogies out of this, dude, WoW PvP will give you nothing regarding SF4 PvP - I've been a dedicated WoW PvP'er for going on 6 years and I've done it all, but no, I can play that all day and not get in the least bit angry but a single session of SF4 can potentially infuriate me.

I dont agree, some of my post was in jest but WOW PvP is some of the most intense PvP you can engage in. SF4 is PvP, no matter what way you cut it and the key to PvP is being able react to the millisecond...If I knew that a SF4 player was an experienced WoW PvPer then my money would be on the WoWer...of any class.

Cunny-Funt

I dunno do you get much mind games an such in wow pvp? I.....can't....believe.....I'm talking about wow....




For me sf is like an RTS in fast motion. I was playing a lot of rts's before I got into SF properly, not felt the need to play an rts since :pac:

Ry

Appreciate all input so far. I'm reading them all and trying to implement them into my way of thinking or play.

On this,

Sagat06 wrote: »

...agree with bush though picking viper will not help your rage, even trying to do her trials nearly had me punching the tele!

If I'm getting frustrated with my Blanka I change to a shoto just to mix it up a bit, it's like playing a different game.

I'm not as bothered by a missed input or a combo I mess up as I know it's my own fault and I can accept that. I've reached her hard 4th trial without much problem bar hard 2 and the thing holding me back on the 4th is her bread and butter cr.FP to EX Seismo Silly I know cuz this is such a basic cornerstone to a large part of her gameplay. I've been reading a lot on SRK and gaining a lot of insight into commands and shortcut commands for a lot of her moves. I'm pretty confident I'll manage with practice. Course I get peeved if I miss a combo or an opening due to failed inputs but I'm usually just aware I ****ed it up and need to practice it.

The rage comes from decisively losing when I know or believed I had a chance to offer much more of a fight than I might have. I don't know if there's a solution at this stage really.

I am trying to think more along the lines of "You made a mistake here or there and he took advantage, that's all, move on". Hopefully this will allow me to keep calmer after an irritating loss.

Placebo

Ry wrote: »

Appreciate all input so far. I'm reading them all and trying to implement them into my way of thinking or play.


I'm not as bothered by a missed input or a combo I mess up as I know it's my own fault and I can accept that.

No you cant accept that, you rave on about your missed combo link and blame it on the pad / stick or the dog barking outside. Which in turn leads to you losing the match. Quit being a loser and practice more

Ry

Placebo wrote: »

... Quit being a loser and practice more

Very constructive thanks.

Placebo

No problem,I cant tell you how to practice, playing online is always frustration. I remember how it was when i first started playing sf3, youre lucky you can play people at your own level in SF4 using championship mode. Maybe its a psychological issue, see a shrink. We can have a proper sit down when youre over this weekend and il print this thread and we can highlight important points everyones made.

ayjayirl

joconnell wrote: »

I quite like your play style - you're waiting for someone else to do something and countering most stages - looks really calm and solid. You on pc or ps3?

Ry wrote: »

Very constructive thanks.

Don't be listening to scrubs like Farz =p

I find that its best in a match to keep your concentration, a bit obvious I know, but you get hit or miss something you should immediately thinking about either how to re-group or what to do next. The best thing to try is to starting thinking about zoning - Especially as Ryu. By thinking like this constantly through the match your focus might not linger on any mistake/miss and lead you to be less affected by them

Ry

ayjayirl wrote: »

Don't be listening to scrubs like Farz =p

I find that its best in a match to keep your concentration, a bit obvious I know, but you get hit or miss something you should immediately thinking about either how to re-group or what to do next. The best thing to try is to starting thinking about zoning - Especially as Ryu. By thinking like this constantly through the match your focus might not linger on any mistake/miss and lead you to be less affected by them

Yeh I'm definitely finding I'm more noticeable of spacing and zoning rather than the all out attack I've been used to which often lands me getting punished if I've been careless.

Placebo

also btw the stick you were using SFAC arcade had stock parts and those buttons are huge/thick and i always seen that as a disadvantage - sensitivity issue.

Scavenger XIII

Sagat06 wrote: »

My advice is play a long session against bush or azza, you will get so mad you will just break and everything else will be fine after that!!

Ha! I played a handful of matches against Azza the other week and I'm glad he didn't have a headset on or he'd have heard the sheer amount of effing and blinding I was doing because the game just felt wrong and I couldn't get into it at all (never played a lot of SF4 for that very reason).

But, after a while I kinda passed through the rage into some kind of tranquil fury (like how I usually beat cheap-ass bosses) and started playing pretty decent out of nowhere.

Will have to do it again sometime.

On the topic of anger management, having a punchbag or something to vent on helps me out, people tend to think lashing out is bad (depends where you direct it really) a couple minutes hitting it with everything I've got calms me down a hell of a lot. Not all that suitable for between rounds of SF though.

Having somebody listen to your griping helps too I find. A friend of mine always gets annoyed with my griping and complains or disagrees with me which just pisses me off more, whereas if he'd just stay silent or give a random guesture of agreement (like I do when he complains ) I'd stay calmer. I kinda noticed this effect not that long ago when he was watching me play ST and I was griping away about the computers cheating, but generally staying calm, after he wandered off though I quickly started to lose the head with it.