New Ross Hemp Shop

Magaa

Right ive heard about this on the radio today and im shocked how long it took for some person to ring up and complain about it..

sorry head shop**

Dinkie

Was that on Joe Duffy? i heard part of a conversation on the effects the stuff has on some people.

I was really surprised. i've never been in one, but had assumed the stuff they sold were all fairly harmless!

There is one near me in Wexford, but have never even seen anyone go into it!

Magaa

Dinkie wrote: »

Was that on Joe Duffy? i heard part of a conversation on the effects the stuff has on some people.

I was really surprised. i've never been in one, but had assumed the stuff they sold were all fairly harmless!

There is one near me in Wexford, but have never even seen anyone go into it!

yeah joe duffy

the stuff is bad but it shouldent be there since it sells stuff that can kill ya :P

Leo Demidov

where is its alleged location.

Magaa

wexfjord wrote: »

where is its alleged location.

eerr... read the title again :rolleyes:

Leo Demidov

I know its not a big town but was looking for a rough location, wasnt aware of its existence. If you dont know the answer then be mature and keep schtum:P.

Was listening to an interview with a family member of a guy who died having taken magic mushrooms purchased from one of these shops a number of years ago, (Last Word, Today FM.). While the shrooms are banned, its frightening the range of products that they can legally sell, "bath salts", "plant food" etc, all of which produce the same effects as cocaine, amphetamines etc.

It wont be long before the illicit dealers try and push some of these head shops out of town and regain their hard earned monopolies.

Magaa

wexfjord wrote: »

I know its not a big town but was looking for a rough location, wasnt aware of its existence. If you dont know the answer then be mature and keep schtum:P.

Was listening to an interview with a family member of a guy who died having taken magic mushrooms purchased from one of these shops a number of years ago, (Last Word, Today FM.). While the shrooms are banned, its frightening the range of products that they can legally sell, "bath salts", "plant food" etc, all of which produce the same effects as cocaine, amphetamines etc.

It wont be long before the illicit dealers try and push some of these head shops out of town and regain their hard earned monopolies.

sorry for being a smart @ss
uhh if you know ann mcdonalds go up that hill cross the road and its a shop called tinkerton or something like that theres all spray paints etc in the front
ssorry again:rolleyes:

1966

wexfjord wrote: »

It wont be long before the illicit dealers try and push some of these head shops out of town and regain their hard earned monopolies.

yeah totally agree but tbh don't think anyone would really care who pushes these people out of our towns.

whatever loopholes allow these business trade should be sorted out before more young people die!

Leo Demidov

Magaa wrote: »

sorry for being a smart @ss
uhh if you know ann mcdonalds go up that hill cross the road and its a shop called tinkerton or something like that theres all spray paints etc in the front
ssorry again:rolleyes:

You're alright, I too was being a smart a**e,

I think I know where youre on about, thanks.

Leo Demidov

1966 wrote: »

yeah totally agree but tbh don't think anyone would really care who pushes these people out of our towns.

whatever loopholes allow these business trade should be sorted out before more young people die!

Theyre able to evade regulation by selling them as food supplements among other things. The various other guises under which they sell their wares advise that they are not for human consumption or other such disclaimer. Medicines board are after them, as are Gardai, Revenue and department of health. Should only take a few years!

I'd sooner chance a bottle of poitin, at least you know that the man who made it will have sampled his wares. Any of this junk, along with counterfeit ciggies and alcohol is pure poison and should be avoided at all costs.

RMD

Magaa wrote: »

Right ive heard about this on the radio today and im shocked how long it took for some person to ring up and complain about it..

sorry head shop**

Why not do some actual research than the general spectacular bull**** Joe spouts on about?

1966 wrote: »

yeah totally agree but tbh don't think anyone would really care who pushes these people out of our towns.



whatever loopholes allow these business trade should be sorted out before more young people die!

Link to a reliable source other than the almighty Joe showing the products sold can kill please.

AntoSRFC

Have to agree, someone on another thread said that since this is on Joe Duffy politicians will push to get this closed down with the lynch mob. Reading this thread im worried he might be right. Before anyone starts thinking they are experts after listening to people who are clueless ramble on about things they dont understand cant you maybe do a little research and maybe get an opinion of your own?

Mahatma coat

Jaysus there seem to be a fair few Armchair Experts on the dangers of these substances, can anyone actually back up thir argument with something more than
'I heard it on Joe Duffy'
?????????????

Magaa

RMD wrote: »

Why not do some actual research than the general spectacular bull**** Joe spouts on about?

my god whats your problem?!

im simply making a chat about it ...

ZzubZzub

Awwww I read the title and thought someone opened a head store called "Ross Hemp." Not interested now!!

Leo Demidov

Seeing as we have experts on both sides of the debate, lets here from the joe duffy deniers. "Joe said it so it must not be true" is about as down right stupid as it gets, well done lads and thanks for keeping us amused with you well considered arguments.

(Not a fan of joe by the way)

OK, lets ease off on the sentiment here.

This could be a really good discussion, I'd just like to see a little more reasoned debate rather then tending towards personal attacks..

funkyouup

Has it been open long? Have passed by there a few times lately and didnt notice it.
I dont listen to joe duffy as i believe him to be the greatest danger to Ireland since the famine.
so heres my 2 pence, if your gonna try out these legal highs do some research before you go out wasting money, most if not all is over priced crap.
To the people that seem to think that shops like this will piss off drug dealers and run them out of town, well you have to come back down to earth.

RMD

wexfjord wrote: »

Seeing as we have experts on both sides of the debate, lets here from the joe duffy deniers. "Joe said it so it must not be true" is about as down right stupid as it gets, well done lads and thanks for keeping us amused with you well considered arguments.

(Not a fan of joe by the way)

Yes, I would laugh at someone who bases their facts on "Joe said so it musn't be true", but that's what the people claiming they need to be shut down is doing as well "Joe said so it must be true". So ye, by your logic that's down right stupid as well.

I've used many of these substances before sold in head shops, different ones designed to simulate Cannabis, MDMA, Ecstasy and Cocaine. Some have been amazing some have been ****e, I wont write what I recommend, I'll let the people who want to research that.

From the quite in depth research I've done so far that's available over the internet, there has been no reported cases of overdoses, assaults or murders caused by these head shop substances. Having tried cocaine substitutes from there, it gives the same energy buzz and europhic feeling, but I've never felt twitchy or aggressive from it.

The cannabis substitutes have never done more than give me a barely noticeable sedative high to a full blown high compareable or even better than that of Cannabis available in Ireland.

The current problem is there's been very little research done into these products for their effects on humans both mentally and physically. Many come laballed with "not for human consumption" which means they don't have to undergo a toxocology test or list their ingredients. This has led to illegal substances being found in products before, most noticeably ketamine.

So for now, I say let them remain legal, let those who use them use them, they don't create mad habits that lead to crime, there's nobody killing eachother to put these things into shops and if the cocaine substitute purchases continue to boom like they are right now, violent drug related crime could fall since theres less demand for illegal drugs.

Magaa

Deleted User wrote: »

OK, lets ease off on the sentiment here.

This could be a really good discussion, I'd just like to see a little more reasoned debate rather then tending towards personal attacks..

thank you..




They try to sell the entire shop as an sort of spraypaint type shop in the front
you have to be 18 to get in the back so i suppose its aleast the shop owners are taking into consideration the fact that 10 year old kids have been trying this stuff.

I myself im in school at the moment and from what ive heard around my school this shop is gettin some serious bussiness in the factor of buying cheaper legal weed type herbs cheaper and give the same buzz.

Magaa

funkyouup wrote: »

Has it been open long? Have passed by there a few times lately and didnt notice it.
I dont listen to joe duffy as i believe him to be the greatest danger to Ireland since the famine.
so heres my 2 pence, if your gonna try out these legal highs do some research before you go out wasting money, most if not all is over priced crap.
To the people that seem to think that shops like this will piss off drug dealers and run them out of town, well you have to come back down to earth.

yeah i think its being closed for the past 2 weeks for christmas holidays

Magaa

must have scared every one off :O

wreckless

head shops is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFGymtOLXUw

Magaa

wreckless wrote: »

head shops is it?

yeah and no!


some people call them hemp and others head so yeah

Effluo

RMD wrote: »

The current problem is there's been very little research done into these products for their effects on humans both mentally and physically. Many come laballed with "not for human consumption" which means they don't have to undergo a toxocology test or list their ingredients. This has led to illegal substances being found in products before, most noticeably ketamine.

Ok so here's some good news for all the worried parents and thrill seekers.

Not sure if anyone keeps up with international news, but a couple of months ago there was a big furore about Gordon Brown and the government drug advisory team he employed.
He basically got the best chemist in Britain to form a team and conduct research into all the common place drugs that are sold and consumed in Britain today.

His findings were that Extecy in it's purest form(MDMA) and Cannibas were less harmful o the human body than Tabacco and Alcohol(why can i not spell this morning?).
That wasn't the answer Mr. Brown was looking for...
So he disregarded one of the worlds best chemists' work and kept cannibas + MDMA as Grade B drugs. He also made a big long statement on the "dangers of them"

This made the whole scientific community very, lets say... P**sed!
The scientist along with most of his team criticised the government publicly and were then sacked(for doing their job!). So finally some independent research is done on the harmfulness of these drugs, which people are gonna take anyway and it's completely ignored.

But wait there is a silver lining. The researcher in question has decided to go on alone with his research without gov funding, he has got most of his team and has brought together more of Britains top people to work on it.

here's the first story http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8334774.stm

I love this quote, Mr Huhne said if the government did not want to take expert scientific advice, it might as well have "a committee of tabloid newspaper editors to advise on drugs policy"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/nov/02/david-nutt-dangerous-drug-list
Here's another article about his research very interesting stuff, I'm not big into drugs, I'm not "on one side" so to speak. But it's very dissapointing that The UK government would put their own political image ahead of keeping the public safe.
Oh well, that's politics for ya!

Looks like the debate is over!
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0126/breaking61.htm

Effluo

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like the debate is over!
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0126/breaking61.htm

lol
I love the great reporting rte do!
Just a few days ago this was international news and they miss the connection completely.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100126/tsc-uk-cannabis-policies-011ccfa.html

IMO the ministers threats are hollow although I agree with banning those substitutes, any studies that have been conducted on them show them to be more dangerous than their illegal equivalent!

Looking at reports like this are more than enough of a reason to make these things which some are going to do no matter what go through some kind of channel where their quality can be screened.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100123/tts-uk-anthrax-europe-ca02f96.html


And then you see a doctor on the Late Late saying how cannabis is causing knife crime in Ireland... You'd think a doctor would know better lol

Hoffmans

RMD wrote: »

So for now, I say let them remain legal, let those who use them use them, they don't create mad habits that lead to crime, there's nobody killing eachother to put these things into shops and if the cocaine substitute purchases continue to boom like they are right now, violent drug related crime could fall since theres less demand for illegal drugs.

not entirely true a guy was shot in derry last night for selling/putting them in his shop....

Magaa

i was also shocked when i heard on RTE news they basicly said the drug lords are going to shut down these shops?

the drug bussiness is killing people

hemp shops let them do what they want we dont pester people for smoking.. that much anyway.

Judgement Day

Why would the drug lords close down Head shops since they are probably behind many of them?

Effluo

Judgement Day wrote: »

Why would the drug lords close down Head shops since they are probably behind many of them?

Probably?

This is a ridiculous assumption, anyone stupid enough to deal drugs illegally when they also have a nose in a legal high shop will be caught straight away!

Judgement Day

I would have thought it would be an ideal way to move from the illegal drug business into a more 'legitimate' business.

Effluo

Judgement Day wrote: »

I would have thought it would be an ideal way to move from the illegal drug business into a more 'legitimate' business.

Yeah I guess, but there's no expertise involved in drug dealing. Although it might seem like a natural enough progression, Drug dealers if they wanted to break free I'd presume they'd be looking for something less obvious. If you know what I mean?

The only reason why they'd get out of a business in which they're making huge amounts of money on would be to get the monkey off their shoulder.
Or at least that's what I think anyway

Judgement Day

The latest on the Enniscorthy 'Head' shop scene....http://www.countywexford.blogspot.com

Leo Demidov

funkyouup wrote: »

To the people that seem to think that shops like this will piss off drug dealers and run them out of town, well you have to come back down to earth.

The term "up in smoke" has taken a literal meaning in recent days with supposedly republican interests burning out two head shops. Are they vigilantes or are they safeguarding the drug dealing organisations for which they volunteer.

drunkmonkey

This whole thing is getting out of hand, our government and public service media outlets are more or less backing mob rule, it's a disgrace.

Hammer of Thor

We're going backwards....

drunkmonkey

Hammer of Thor wrote: »

We're going backwards....

But now quick enough, if we could just rewind 70 years this thread wouldn't exist and neither would our self imposed stupid laws. :rolleyes:

Korvanica

1966 wrote: »

yeah totally agree but tbh don't think anyone would really care who pushes these people out of our towns.

whatever loopholes allow these business trade should be sorted out before more young people die!

So you would prefer drug dealers to be selling this stuff then? Drug dealers who dont care who they sell to, (head shops only sell to over 18s). Money from head shops goes to the government in the form of taxes. When have you seen a dealer paying taxes?

Also basically EVERY SINGLE case where some "poor innocent young lad" died after taking something he bought in a head shop involved alcohol. The guy who died a few months ago after taking a few of these pills, was drinking excessively aswell, these things are not meant to be mixed. They are completely harmless on their own. Fair enough long term side affects are not established for a lot of the products. But why not research it instead of banning them straight away?

The only reason the Joe Duffy crowd go after the head shops is because they don't have the balls to go after dealers. and most of these people have not even tried anything from a head shop, they are just going on what they have heard. This bloody old mentality of all drugs are bad should be done away with. (and hopefully it will when the majority of the duffy brigade dies out)

Head shops are not the problem.

IGNORANCE IS

Bolt82

Has anyone tried anything out of one of these shops? I havent personally as i dont do that stuff but alot of my friends would. Looking at the stuff they are taking i couldnt believe it, every single thing they have bought has wrote on the back of the packet "Not for human consumption"

We have asked the people in the head shop what the stuff is and he mainly said its things like bath salts, popuri, etc. This is why it is not illegal! So if these shops were closed down id love to know the reasoning behind it. The warning is on the packets not to consume them but people still do.

I know they are designed to look like hash, coke, etc but every packet i have seen always has that warning on it. Everyone i know that has tried it wasnt drinking alcohol at the time too.

So im just wondering has anyone on here tried them and what they tried and their expierances with them was like?

Auvers

Bolt82 wrote: »

every single thing they have bought has wrote on the back of the packet "Not for human consumption"

who are you to say people cant ingest such a substance if they fancy it

Bolt82 wrote: »

So im just wondering has anyone on here tried them and what they tried and their expierances with them was like?

why not answer that question yourself

Bolt82

Peglegged wrote: »

who are you to say people cant ingest such a substance if they fancy it



why not answer that question yourself

Did you read anything i wrote??? As i said its wrote on the back of all the packets i have seen. Im not saying it!!

And again try reading what i wrote. I dont do any of that stuff! Really is it that hard to spend 1 minute actually lets make it 4 mins for you and read everything i wrote!! :rolleyes:

c0ldfyr3

The only reason that these drugs are labelled as 'Bath Salts' and 'Not For Human Consumption' is because the last time the Joe Duffy brigade got in a huff and the politicos followed the baying mob and made BZP illegal there were also amendments made to the law to outlaw advertising any drugs or provide dosages on the packet unless it's registered as a medicine.

This means when someone now goes into a headshop and buys a 'Bath Salt' they are buying one of the drugs either Mephedrone or MDVP and they are not allowed to be instructed on the safe dosage or legaly be told what the active ingredients are. Way to go eh?

It's ok, lets ban them and then people will be buying the bath salts from drug dealers only there'll be 5% of the 'bath salt' and 95% crap. And when lots of young people start dieing as a direct result of the horrendous crap they're ingesting with the drugs then who will we blame?

Bolt82

for me thats the big problem is that no one really knows whats in them as they are not regulated. Everyone has their own opinion as to whats in them but we just dont know and for me thats the big problem. People say they are legal they must be ok. But as you said they are legal because they are being sold as bath salts and they put on the back of them that they are not for human consumption but after all we just dont know whats in them really

c0ldfyr3

wexfjord wrote: »

Was listening to an interview with a family member of a guy who died having taken magic mushrooms purchased from one of these shops a number of years ago, (Last Word, Today FM.). While the shrooms are banned, its frightening the range of products that they can legally sell, "bath salts", "plant food" etc, all of which produce the same effects as cocaine, amphetamines etc.

You can pick one of the most potent strains of magic mushrooms in the wild Ireland for around 4 months of the year, no preperation needed, are they going to arrest people for picking them and ingesting them? I think the mushrooms were here before us...

As for that guy that died after taking mushrooms, I feel truly sorry for him and his family, may he rest in piece, but there's a lot of that story that no one knows except the people that were at that party. The official story is 10 minutes after he ingested them he seemed to go crazy and throw himself from a balcony.
I present to you Erowid.org, an actual fact based website on drugs and their effects: http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_basics.shtml. I know a lot of people who regularily enjoy magic mushrooms and none of them have ever reported onset of effects that early let alone a full blown trip that early and even in a trip, you are not out of your mind, you simply see things differently. The mind wonders.

Do you know what the effect of cocaine or amphetamine is? Apart from the crap you've read in the tabloids, I mean actual effect, personal experience or research? If not then, seriously, how can you have an opinion on it? Do you tell Stock Brokers your opinion on the stock market on any given day?

1966 wrote: »

whatever loopholes allow these business trade should be sorted out before more young people die!

What do you mean more? The only people who have died with suspicion of taking the drugs from the head shops were taking a cocktail of other drugs too.
Ketamine, a horse tranquiliser which effectively acts as a general anaesthetic was taken in the case of one of the most media popular incidences. Hands up here who thinks it's a good idea to take something which gives you energy and something which puts you to sleep at the same time? What do you think might have prevented his death? An outright ban on the substance in question or maybe, just maybe, a little education on the subject?

c0ldfyr3

Bolt82 wrote: »

for me thats the big problem is that no one really knows whats in them as they are not regulated. Everyone has their own opinion as to whats in them but we just dont know and for me thats the big problem. People say they are legal they must be ok. But as you said they are legal because they are being sold as bath salts and they put on the back of them that they are not for human consumption but after all we just dont know whats in them really

And how does making them illegal solve that? At least the head shop owners might value you as a customer, how much value do you think drug dealers have on your life? Cocaine in Ireland has been tested to contain a maximum of 9% Cocaine, what do you think the rest is? I can tell you actual Bath Salts might be the best thing you'd get in it. The same will happen to the stuff the head shops are selling right now.

And I'm fairly certain the trinity college student who tested them on the tv documentary about the head shop drugs would have jumped at the chance to reveal anything out of the ordinary about the contents of the sachets but she didn't, she simply quoted wikipedia about the effects of the drugs.

DirksDiggler

Back on topic, the shop in New Ross was burned out last night.

Effluo

DirksDiggler wrote: »

Back on topic, the shop in New Ross was burned out last night.

That would be the drug dealers

Judgement Day

DirksDiggler wrote: »

Back on topic, the shop in New Ross was burned out last night.

Great news - a total write off hopefully.

Ledger

ive heard the gardai are (alledgedly) lookin for somebody from the abbey hall/ abbeyview area.Ledger

DirksDiggler

Looks to be a write off. The staff and filthy chav scum that infest the place day and night were packing what little could be salvaged into the back of a removal van this afternoon.

Good riddance, nothing worse than the sight of scrawny acne plagued 15 year old ratboys hanging around on the street hassling any and everybody to go in and buy stuff for them.