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The Defender thread

  • 11-01-2010 9:36am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭


    Hey guys.

    Haven't noticed a thread about Land Rover Defenders in general so thought I'd start this one up :)

    About my Defender

    Bought this last year and it was in a bit of a rough and ready condition. The RAC inspected it and the engines a good-un. :p
    It's got the 300 TDI engine in it (despite being a 2001 model) so I know it's not got the potential of being a nightmare to work on compared to the newer Td5.

    A few niggles here and there.

    The bodywork was a bit dented and needed some work

    P1050214.jpg

    Nice views, you feel like master and commander up in the cab :)

    P1050233.jpg

    Bit 'o damage here:

    P1050221.jpg

    The landrover was previously owned by a drilling company and has a nice open space in the back that is stripped out and is great for stowage. I've got big plans for in here:

    P1050228.jpg

    Theses are really handy for letting fresh outside air in. When you are at speed you don't need any fans drawing air away from the engine either :)

    P1050225.jpg

    Need to see about getting a padlock on here.

    P1050227.jpg

    I've also started a web-page featuring Defenders from the early days up to the present here:

    http://www.squidoo.com/land-roverdefender

    Please if you can spare the time take a quick look and let me know what you think of it.

    Over the next few days I'll be posting the project work carried out so far...

    Friendly feedback appreciated :)


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    Well done on your thread re Landrover defenders.....the only thing i'll say is you mention 32mpg attainable on motorways......not on the ones I've driven.

    I'm looking at a commercial td5 next week as a gate keeper. Have had a td5 and a hybrid v8 90 in the past. As daily drivers, no but as a hack, pulling trailers, heading off up the mountains, etc....brilliant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Nice Defender and nice site, I'll have a proper look later.

    Here's my Td5 CSW (old picture, got decent tyres and winch bumper fitted now)

    IMG_0095-1.jpg

    Nothing wrong with Td5s, they are very reliable. Having a Nanocom ECU tool helps with servicing. Get 25 - 28mpg out of mine.

    My previous 110, 1984 factory registered military demonstrator

    110.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    Further to Seans comments and he is a die hard Defender man, re chipping the ecu's in the TD5.....i had a disaster here with a plug in piggy back chip. Suddenly you'd be at 60mph and bang it would revert to safe mode and no power....not what you want in the fast lane at night.....only way to get power back was to flick ignition on/off.......made night driving interesting. I ended up getting my ecu properly flashed, took out the cat, put an allie intercooler it and by god was my td5 fast......I sold it stupidly. Next td5 I'm not going to chip, all I'll put into it will be an overdrive.

    Anyway back in the hunt for a commercial td5 90......even bringing the td 5 to a shopping centre....hillarous as the way only one person going to come off better re car park rash.....the old landie. As for off road capability it was superb to only shaded by the G wagens.....their complicated diff locks have the edge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    Although some people might call me crazy I use my Defender as a daily driver (it's either that or the Nissan Skyline!) as it's pretty practical in its own way.

    Anyway I've got time to show a bit of the project history so far:

    As you can see the back and front bumpers are pretty rusty looking and faded. The rust isn't deep though and is mostly surface stuff.

    P1050215.jpg


    P1050220.jpg

    So with a grinder and a smooth disc I set about grinding down the worst rust bits and sanding down the rest.

    P1050235.jpg

    This done I used a few coats of rust eater. Once this had dried I started applying black hammerite paint. This stuff is quite expensive but it is specifically designed for metal application and doesn't need any undercoats. You just slap dash it on. You know the saying 'If you can p&ss, you can paint' :D Only kidding there painter-folk :)

    P1050249.jpg

    I took off the towing array and gave that a good going over too.

    P1050242.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 hplp


    I use a 110 every day and wouldnt use anything else, and have been driving land rovers everyday for the past 6 years.

    32 is attainable and thats what my 90 (200tdi tweeked) used to always get and lots more (ive had a gps'd 42mpg).

    My 110 on the other hand is more like 26-28.

    H


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Mine's a daily driver as well, had Land Rovers for nearly 30 years now :eek:

    WRT tuning, piggy back black boxes are a bad idea on Td5s as Bearcat found. If you want a tune get a proper one off Ian (porny on many forums) at IRB. I've thought about it but mine goes pretty well anyway :D

    You can make a 200/300Tdi go a lot better with some judicious pump tweaks, not done it to one myself but it's well documented on some of the forums.

    I have a GKN overdrive on mine and have loads of trouble with it, probably going to remove if and fit 1.22 disco gearing. Others have had 1000's of miles of use with no problems though.

    Keeping the rear crossmember looking tidy is a pain alright, I repaint mine and spray waxoil every couple of years.

    Just fitted Gwyn Lewis suspension kit to mine, already have a 2" lift but kept knocking shock bushes out. Was just going to fit new shock mounts and longer shocks but ended up going the whole hog :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    i really want to buy a defender, always loved the shape. It would be for daily driving and the ocassional weekend off-road excursion/ camping trip!
    I know absolutly nothing about them! have looked at carzone and seen a good few for the 6/7 grand mark, this is my budget range.

    where should i start?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    101sean wrote: »
    Nice Defender and nice site, I'll have a proper look later.

    Here's my Td5 CSW (old picture, got decent tyres and winch bumper fitted now)

    IMG_0095-1.jpg

    Thats a fine looking beast there 101sean. Always liked the shape of the defender.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    Just as a matter of interest.. do any of the Defender owners here ever had to deal with serious rust between the rear axle and back panel on the chassis legs?

    I heard that you can buy the full chassis leg from the rear to directly over the axle, any truth in that?

    Also, what is the life span for the first ball joint down from the steering box?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭O.A.P


    Slidey wrote: »
    Just as a matter of interest.. do any of the Defender owners here ever had to deal with serious rust between the rear axle and back panel on the chassis legs?

    I heard that you can buy the full chassis leg from the rear to directly over the axle, any truth in that?

    Also, what is the life span for the first ball joint down from the steering box?
    Mine has over 90000miles done anyway
    If you mean rear out rigers yeah thats a fact.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Every Land Rover ever made suffer from rotten rear crossmembers :rolleyes:

    For series Landies you get rear quarter and half chassis. Defenders aren't quite as bad and replacement rear xmembers come with a section of chassis to sleeve over the original, only about the rear 2-300mm is usually affected. Easy on a 110 (that green one of mine had the xmember replaced) bit harder on a 90.

    You can buy just about any part of a Land Rover chassis but sometimes it's more economical to stick a cherished motor on a new galvanised chassis.

    You can get a repair kit for drop arm ball joints, life varies, I've never had one go. If anyone ever needs to replace a steering box, get one with the drop arm and joint on it, the drop arms are a nightmare to remove off the box (but being Land Rover I've also seen them drop off:rolleyes:)

    Skelliser, not sure where you should start here, there are a few around but not the choice you'd get in the UK. For your money you are probably looking at a v good pre 98 300tdi or OK pre 02 Td5, newer may have been abused for that sort of sum. Buy on condition, not age. There may be bargains around though, some don't know the value of what they have. Values are skewed here because of the tax regime, in the UK you'd get a far newer Discovery or an OK Td5 for the same money. Worth keeping an eye on the Ireland section of Landroveraddicts forum and read through Watch Ryder's site. Have you driven one before, not everyone will deal with the culture shock if they're used to cars ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    Well said Sean.

    When I first got the defender the first thing I did was get underneath it and have a good root!

    Under the arches and the nooks and crannies. Lots of mud stuck underneath there!
    I got it all out and thankfully all the rust is just surface rust.

    From my army days I'm glad I got used to the 'unique experience' of driving on day to day. They may seem like a cumbersome war-horse compared to the 'gazelle-like' swiftness of a 'modern' car or SUV but they'll still be driving around long after they've gone to junk (in most cases). But once you've adjusted and like the style of driving one you won't be that bothered by the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    skelliser wrote: »
    i really want to buy a defender, always loved the shape. It would be for daily driving and the ocassional weekend off-road excursion/ camping trip!
    I know absolutly nothing about them! have looked at carzone and seen a good few for the 6/7 grand mark, this is my budget range.

    where should i start?

    That sort of money should get you a fairly decent defender. Don't be put off too much if there's light / cosmetic damage, trust me these things can shrug off a lot more!
    The main thing to check is if the engine is in good nick and everything works ok.
    For what you want I'd say a 110 300TDI would be pretty useful, allowing you tons of room for kit and sleeping in.
    For a big city like Dublin or London etc a 90 would be more practical for it's fuel economy and size. Ironically the 90s have a slight edge when it comes to offroad performance (power to weight advantage).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 985 ✭✭✭spadder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭gofaster_s13


    Slidey wrote: »
    what is the life span for the first ball joint down from the steering box?


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see:D

    * Gofaster has entered the witness protection program* :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see

    I'll be sending the Hillbillys round with highlift jack handles! :mad:

    Careful what you say, some Landie fanatics can be very touchy! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 hplp


    About 4 weeks as far as I can see:D


    Well it all depends if you use Sh*tpart!


    H


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭dantastic


    Glad I found this thread, you might be the people to ask!

    I want a Defender (badly)... I'm looking to buy a 110 panel van type currently taxed as a commercial. I don't have a business or anything, I just want the car for some weekend fun. How does this work? Can I keep taxing it as commercial? How does it work with insurance? What do ye guys do?

    Know of any good 110's around that aren't being advertised by friends from Lagos?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    thanks for the advice watch ryder!

    it will likely be the summer before i get the euros together for it, friend of mine bought a english reg 110 from england, havent driven one yet but had a spin in it, i was giddy like a little child! the commanding view of the road is awesome!

    Answers to dantastics post would be much appreciated!

    i am partial to the 90's tho...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    There's been loads of other threads on this forum about VRT and road tax on imports by more knowledgeable people but as far as I can work out a 110 van or pick up will pay £50 VRT and you will get commercial road tax OK once it's DOE'd. The complications arise with 110 double cabs or utility station wagons which incur 13.5% VRT (as will 90s) and questions may be asked why you need the extra seats in a commercial when it comes to road tax it. Commercial VRT and commercial road tax are totally seperate issues that confuse a lot of people.

    Buying one already here will be simpler but limits your choice and you don't get the fun of confusing the VRO with something unusual :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    thanks for the heads up. will have to have a look into it
    im not to bothered with seats in the back anyhow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    The Next Step

    The landrovers interior was a mess from its previous owners.
    It was covered in this fine cement dust that would not sweep out nor wipe out easily.
    In the end I soaked up as much as I could and bought some green exterior wood paint and gave it the real slap-dash treatment :)

    Just prior to painting I got some filler going to repair the plywood floor. Obviously those heavy bags of cement had taken their toll previously :)

    P1050262-1.jpg

    Then it's down to business and I get painting.
    Although it's roomy inside the positions you've got to get into for painting are awkward in places. I even paint the underneath of the overhang near the bulkhead
    After a few sessions and multiple coats it's ready.

    It's green green green inside the rear cargo area now. :D
    From this dusty place:

    P1050228.jpg

    To this:

    P1050463.jpg

    No longer is dust ever present and getting on clothes and kit etc. With the gloss finish on now any muck or debris just wipes off :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    The towing array I remounted.

    P1050246.jpg

    I also used copperslip on the split-pins, locking pin and swivel. There's nothing worse when you're about to recover someone than having seized-up parts on your tow-bar.

    P1050247.jpg

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    series2a.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    series2afr.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭Slidey


    Thats looks like a clean defender for its age.

    Well done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭greenpeter


    40euro tax 260euro insurance cause its classic so happy days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Hi,

    Im a musician and I currently use a 2000 jeep cherokee sport to lug around all our gear around mayo and sligo and galway in all weathers and roads. BUT, Its getting a bit tired and someone mentioned that a good buy would be a landrover defender LWB. Any tips about what, where and how much should I be looking to spend. Should i buy in the UK???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭O.A.P


    greenpeter wrote: »
    series2afr.jpg
    Thats one good looking landrover, pm me if you want to sell her:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Greenpilot, I posted a bit about buying a Defender further up this thread. Sounds like you want a 110 hard top but what you can get depends on your budget, give us an idea and we can advise. Yoi]u may want to consider a Discovery commercial as well. With either, you'll be buying on condition, not age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    While on the move to work I had a blowout. I steered safety over to the hard-shoulder and tried self-recovery.

    Out came the 2 tonne jack I’d bought from Halfords but no dice. It wasn’t big enough and kept slipping off the lifting point. It’d be too dangerous to continue with that.

    I called out recovery and learned my lesson, next time I’d have to get a bigger jack.
    My tyres were pretty worn too and I vowed to get a full set of new tyres.
    So once at the nearest tyre place I got myself some all-singing, all-dancing ‘Grabber’ All terrain tyres.
    Although it wasn’t the tyre wear that caused the blowout I learned that it was from running over a roofing bolt. These, I’m told by the mechy, are the leading cause of blowouts on the motorways.

    Here’s one of the new tyres.

    P1050224.jpg

    The spare tyre mounted on the bonnet is the real deal, a proper one and not a space saver either.

    Now a bit of a niggle with Defenders is that they are prone to leakage. Mine was no exception. On the inside of the passenger door and the drivers side along with the cargo door it leaked. Drip, drip everytime it rained hard.

    If you left the vent flaps open and it rained there’d be leaks from their too but closing them prevented that.
    It was time to fix the leaks.
    The drivers side leak I fixed by treating the metalwork where the rubber weather seal joined with some rust eater and touch-up paint.
    The roof was where the real work was needed though and I needed something to match the white roof.

    P1050230.jpg

    My local mechy Tom advised me that the best stuff was the window sealant used by double glazing firms. Car accessory places also supplied it.
    After a few sagas I sourced some of the stuff – Tiger Seal!

    P1050468.jpg

    I was warned not to tarry when applying it. Once it the stuff dries, it grips like a tiger and there’s no going back.

    Well I attached the grease gun frame and it didn’t work. Not good as it means I’ve no way of applying the sealent to the roof seam 
    In the end I just cut the neck off and stuck a big ole thin rod in and pulled it out. Then with some rubber gloves on I just finger applied it into the groove.
    Took a while let me tell you but after about an hour I’d just managed to get both sides plus the cross groove done when the stuff set hard!
    No leaks from the roof now, just a little bit from the door seal near the ground. But that’s nothing really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Mr.Boots


    My La(n)dy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Nice job, Tiger Seal certainly sticks like sh!te to a blanket! Those tubes have a funny seal at the push end, takes a fair bit of force to break it but once it's broken they work ok.

    The water will of course find another way in! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


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    My defender :p

    1993 200tdi.

    In my opinion there hasnt been a better diesel fitted to a defender yet :D

    Recently upgraded the all the rubber bushings to polybushes, they make a huge difference. Much better handling on the road.

    And it now has some big scorpions with the wolf alloys, very cool :cool:

    Will post some other pics up later as im on the lappy :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Bearcat


    you can brag when you have an offender....4,0 v8 hybrid. TBH 9mpg was for the birds and sold it on. Looking at a td5 commercial...being a second car I can it it for peanuts on comm insurance so...........very fond of the landys.....not as daily though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    Landyman,

    Is the 300 TDI not better than the 200?!
    Thoughts appreciated...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    There both very similar engines spec wise, performance wise and reliability wise. However the 200tdi is a little noiser and a little less refined then the 300 but i always found the 200 tdi to have a little more grunt the 300.

    Mechanically ther quite different engines with only a few interchangeable parts between the engines. The cambelt was different on the 300 and all the auxilary belts were replaced with a single serpentine belt. The injectors and fuel pump are different too.

    Both engines are very diy friendly, with no electronics in the 200tdi engine whatsoever. The 300tdi had an ecu by 98 (i think) and a fly by wire throttle system, however its still a very diy engine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    I thought it was only discos that had fly by wire throttle? If there's an ecu on a Defender 300Tdi it's for th EGR valve which is best chucked in the skip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    101sean wrote: »
    Greenpilot, I posted a bit about buying a Defender further up this thread. Sounds like you want a 110 hard top but what you can get depends on your budget, give us an idea and we can advise. Yoi]u may want to consider a Discovery commercial as well. With either, you'll be buying on condition, not age.

    Hi,

    It would have to be a defender 110 about 4-5000 euro. as long is the engine is good, the rest I can manage myself.

    Thanks, Paul


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Should get you a fairly good 300Tdi for that or a scruffy Td5. Look at the Ireland section of the Landroveraddicts forum, ocassionaly some for sale on there. Otherwise keep trawling the trade mags and websites, sometimes there are real bargains there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    101sean wrote: »
    I thought it was only discos that had fly by wire throttle? If there's an ecu on a Defender 300Tdi it's for th EGR valve which is best chucked in the skip.


    Maybe it was...


    We had a blue 97 disco a few years ago that im sure it didnt have a cable
    throttle....

    Though I'd personally have a 300tdi over the td5 as its so easy to work on :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Watch Ryder


    101sean wrote: »
    I thought it was only discos that had fly by wire throttle? If there's an ecu on a Defender 300Tdi it's for th EGR valve which is best chucked in the skip.

    I really don't want anything ecu wise on my landy.
    Will look into that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    You can get kits on ebay to do away with EGRs on most vehicles. Improves breathing slightly and can't be picked up on NCT/DOE. Seems a pretty dum idea feeding dirty exhaust back in to inlet manifold just to drop NOx levels slightly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Deer Hunter DL


    heres my landy 2004 Td5 wheels are free style tyres are insa turbo special track 265/75/16 took the tyres off and put on 235/85/16 BF MT km2 as the insas were catching on full lock

    SL370448.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Nice 90.

    265/75s are a standard Defender size, just need to adjust the steering stops but you'll lose turning circle. 235/85s are same diameter though, just not as wide. I have 255/85 R16 BFG MTs on mine with 30mm spacers to keep a decent turning circle. If you don't like spacers, wolf rims have as much offset, just aren't as bling :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    101sean wrote: »
    Nice 90.

    265/75s are a standard Defender size, just need to adjust the steering stops but you'll lose turning circle. 235/85s are same diameter though, just not as wide. I have 255/85 R16 BFG MTs on mine with 30mm spacers to keep a decent turning circle. If you don't like spacers, wolf rims have as much offset, just aren't as bling :D

    Wolf rims are as cool as they get :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    101sean wrote: »
    You can get kits on ebay to do away with EGRs on most vehicles. Improves breathing slightly and can't be picked up on NCT/DOE. Seems a pretty dum idea feeding dirty exhaust back in to inlet manifold just to drop NOx levels slightly.

    blame the EU. sure they killed off the 200tdi, the 300tdi and finally there killing of the defender itself :mad: baahhh im never voting pro europe again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Wolf rims are as cool as they get

    especially in black :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,946 ✭✭✭BeardyGit


    I've a late '98 300 TDi Disco....mechanical throttle all the way - No ECU.


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