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is PRE-FATIGUING muscle groups a good idea??

  • 09-01-2010 6:39pm
    #1
    trapsagenius
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    just wondering.a lot of muscle mags recomend it.for those who don't know what pre-fatiguing is it involves dont a single muscle exercise before a compound muscle exercise so that the desired muscle receives maximum stress.for example, using a pec dec machine before bench pressing so that the chest receives maximum stress.all comments welcome.thanks


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  • #2
    MrPain
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    Funny enough I read an article in Muscular Development on this just the other day, basically it conclusion was pre-fatiguing is not effective.
    This statement was based on a study done on chest exercises, with dumbbell flys at a relatively low weight used to pre-exaust the pectoralis major and then use bench press's to maxiumally work the pec's.
    The activity of the muscles were measured via electrodes.
    They found the pec's were less active versus the control group as the triceps were compensating for the pec's weakness.
    I rushed typing this, hope it makes sense.


  • #3
    trapsagenius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    ok appreciate the comment.i tried it myself and i have to say i thought it was fairly effective!Also Muscle and Fitness is a keen supporter which was why i tried it in the 1st place.
    http://www.muscleandfitness.com/pre_exhaust_principle/training/263


  • #4
    itsallaboutheL
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    I really don't see how this works, never have...

    I mean you pre-exhaust your chest using a pec-dec.... then go bench

    That just means your triceps and delts are gonna kick in big style to compensate..

    IMO if one were to do it then it would make more sense to pre-exhaust your triceps.

    But even at that you'll get a helluva lot more bang for your buck doing the heavy compound movememnts when fresh..

    + MandF isnn't worth the paper it's written on with regards to your averge gym user....

    the only proper uselful thing i've discovered from it was the Pendlay Row..


  • #5
    fatal
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    Dorian Yates used(and still does) that approach for years and it worked wonders for him.I've tried it with my arms and it works well.However,for things like Chest and Legs,I'm happy enough to get the compounds out the way before isolation.


  • #6
    cardio,shoot me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭cardio,shoot me


    Dorian yates isnt your typical gym user...


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  • #7
    Roper
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    Why don't people just lift anymore?


  • #8
    Brian?
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    Roper wrote: »
    Why don't people just lift anymore?

    It's not complicated enough. It also doesn't have pre, post or peri in front of it, so how could be any good?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #9
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    fatal wrote: »
    Dorian Yates used(and still does) that approach for years and it worked wonders for him.I've tried it with my arms and it works well.However,for things like Chest and Legs,I'm happy enough to get the compounds out the way before isolation.

    yate's approach was far removed from what the OP was talking about..

    also re-read my post.


  • #10
    d'Oracle
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    Roper wrote: »
    Why don't people just lift anymore?

    Cos lifting isn't functional.


  • #11
    trapsagenius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭trapsagenius


    Roper wrote: »
    Why don't people just lift anymore?
    I decided to give pre-fatiguing a try for that reason-i'd hit a plateau on the bench press.I'll probably move back to doing compound exercises first in a few weeks.I have noticed a bit of an improvement though over the last 2 and a half weeks...just thought i needed a few second opinions.


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  • #12
    fatal
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    itsallaboutheL wrote: »
    yate's approach was far removed from what the OP was talking about..

    also re-read my post.

    No,Yates' approach was exactly what the OP is talking about-pre-exhaustion before compounds.He really emphasises it in "a week in the dungeon". Although,for the reasons you outlines in your first post,i don't use the approach for my chest or legs.With arms its given me good results.


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