Hospital keeps secret DNA File

Crazy_marble

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Why does one hospital in Dublin have DNA samples for "the entire country" ?

Were other hospitals sending the stuff there for some reason or is it it just a general assumption that there is nothing outside of Dublin ?

Temple Street do the heel prick tests for the entire country, AFAIK.

oppenheimer1

Stupid sensationalist media, it isn't a DNA database, its a blood test database, the dna information hasn't been extracted from it. Its quite useless in its current form apart from for research. You can't wander down and request a dna comparison test in the hospital.

Personally I cannot see anything wrong with it, its typical busybodys making a fuss over nothing as usual

phantom_lord

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Thats a rather big "if" is it not ?

no i don't think so?

My name is URL

Bit of a follow up in yesterdays Times - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6982446.ece

Two computer servers containing the records of almost 1m patients were stolen from the Children’s University hospital in Temple Street in 2007 and have never been recovered.

Patients’ details, including names, date of birth and reason for admission are thought to have been included.

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InReality

1984 eh ?

do.ob

InReality wrote: »

1984 eh ?

At least in Oceania there were no scumbags.

What's the point of privacy and liberty when there are people wearing tracksuits and claiming the dole and getting away with it. If giving up all my rights helps us fight the scum then sign me up!

Mike 1972

do.ob wrote: »

If giving up all my rights helps us fight the scum then sign me up!

So you would happily have me enslave you sieze all your worldly goods and eventually kill you If it can be shown that this will somehow help us fight the scum ?

Rented Mule

do.ob wrote: »

If giving up all my rights helps us fight the scum then sign me up!

The day you give up all of your rights....the scum win.

do.ob

Mike 1972 wrote: »

So you would happily have me enslave you sieze all your worldly goods and eventually kill you If it can be shown that this will somehow help us fight the scum ?

Yes. I'd gladly live in a much crapper and more unfair world for the fleeting satisfaction I'd feel every time i hear of a scumbag being shown who's boss. I realise that with no human rights I might end up on the recieving end of such punishments (unfairly), but then i am providing satisfaction to all the other citizens when they hear of another "scumbag" getting his comeuppance. In fact they may even show the video of me being abused by the prison gaurds to further enhance the happiness my humiliation brings the people.

As a bleeding-heart pinko liberal you just can't understand how important this sentiment is to people like me.

Mike 1972

do.ob wrote: »

Yes. I'd gladly live in a much crapper and more unfair world for the fleeting satisfaction I'd feel every time i hear of a scumbag being shown who's boss. I realise that with no human rights I might end up on the recieving end of such punishments (unfairly), but then i am providing satisfaction to all the other citizens when they hear of another "scumbag" getting his comeuppance. In fact they may even show the video of me being abused by the prison gaurds to further enhance the happiness my humiliation brings the people.

There are countries where you would probably feel a lot more at home.

You should give some of them a try.

Let us know how you get on (In the unklikely event that you are able to......)

My name is URL

do.ob wrote: »

As a bleeding-heart pinko liberal you just can't understand how important this sentiment is to people like me.

So anyone that wants to stand up for their own rights is a pinko liberal then? wtf are you on?!

And what do you mean by "people like me"..? What are you?

humanji

brianthebard wrote: »

If you read the part you bolded yourself you'd see it said 'born in the country since 1984'.

I'm not getting what you mean.

do.ob

My name is URL wrote: »

So anyone that wants to stand up for their own rights is a pinko liberal then? wtf are you on?!

It depends. Are you also standing up for the rights of scumbags?

And what do you mean by "people like me"..? What are you?

I am one of the common people of ireland. The people who base their political philosophy solely on their hatred of the scum (a middle class tree-hugger like yourself couldn't understand because you don't have to deal with the scum on a day to day basis). People who want to bring back the death penalty, torture, sterilisation and castration as appropriate punishments. People who want prisoners to suffer dire conditions and rejoice at the thought of prisoners being physically,psychologically and sexually abused by fellow inmates and gaurds.
People who's view on privacy is "if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide" and who's view on liberty is that if you want to do something the majority of people don't want to do then you can **** off to another country untill you learn to live like us.

Most importantly we realise that scumbags are an inferior subhuman species and that rights do little more than protect them from the suffering they deserve.

My name is URL

do.ob wrote: »

It depends. Are you also standing up for the rights of scumbags?





I am one of the common people of ireland. The people who base their political philosophy solely on their hatred of the scum (a middle class tree-hugger like yourself couldn't understand because you don't have to deal with the scum on a day to day basis). People who want to bring back the death penalty, torture, sterilisation and castration as appropriate punishments. People who want prisoners to suffer dire conditions and rejoice at the thought of prisoners being physically,psychologically and sexually abused by fellow inmates and gaurds.

I guess most importantly we're people who are prepared to look past the fact that we all have a completley different definition of "scum" because we are united be the fact that we see those who fall under our category of "scum" as inferior subhuman beings undeserving of rights and want nothing more than to make them suffer.

So basically you want to perpetuate scummery in order to tackle the problem?

I'm not middle class btw, not by a long shot. And I do have to deal with unscrupulous people on a regular basis. I live in Dundalk, it's far from a crime-less utopia!

Also what's your definition of a scumbag? Someone that breaks the law, or just someone that doesn't fit into your own views on what society should be?

Or maybe you're just trolling

do.ob

My name is URL wrote: »

So basically you want to perpetuate scummery in order to tackle the problem?

It's not scummery if the person at the recieving end is a scumbag, It's justice. See, scumbags aren't really people so they don't really deserve to be treated like people. It's this pinko liberal bull**** of treating them like people that has us in this mess.

Like batman said; "Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding".

brianthebard

humanji wrote: »

I'm not getting what you mean.

You said the numbers mentioned couldn't represent everyone born in the country, but the article never claimed they did.

phantom_lord

do.ob wrote: »

I am one of the common people of ireland. The people who base their political philosophy solely on their hatred of the scum (a middle class tree-hugger like yourself couldn't understand because you don't have to deal with the scum on a day to day basis). People who want to bring back the death penalty, torture, sterilisation and castration as appropriate punishments. People who want prisoners to suffer dire conditions and rejoice at the thought of prisoners being physically,psychologically and sexually abused by fellow inmates and gaurds.
People who's view on privacy is "if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide" and who's view on liberty is that if you want to do something the majority of people don't want to do then you can **** off to another country untill you learn to live like us.

Most importantly we realise that scumbags are an inferior subhuman species and that rights do little more than protect them from the suffering they deserve.

i don't think you're one of the common people of ireland tbh.

lucernarian

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Stupid sensationalist media, it isn't a DNA database, its a blood test database, the dna information hasn't been extracted from it. Its quite useless in its current form apart from for research. You can't wander down and request a dna comparison test in the hospital.

Personally I cannot see anything wrong with it, its typical busybodys making a fuss over nothing as usual

The sound of reason. Some dried up drops of blood do not a DNA database make. It's quite tricky just to find out the presence of a certain sequence of DNA, let alone their genome...

I do think it was illegal, based on my limited understanding of the '88 DP act. But when I want to find out if something is right or wrong, I consider more than just the statute book:rolleyes: I think it was harmless and it is indeed a storm in a teacup. It will be resolved in due course and I don't think a tribunal will be needed for this.

do.ob

phantom_lord wrote: »

i don't think you're one of the common people of ireland tbh.

Of course I am. Stroll into any thread on crime and punishment or civil liberties and you will see my kind. As someone who wants to give the government the power of a DNA database I would have thought you'd agree with me. Maybe you just have yet to embrace the power of the word "scum", you should try it out. You'd be surprised at how readily people will agree with the most radical right-wing of ideas simply because of one word.

@my_name_is_url.

It doesn't really matter who is labelled as "scum", it's more about the collective idea of there being "scum" out there who deserve to be treated worse than dogs. It's something to unite the nation and give us a sense of community, our collective desire to purge society of the scum.

For example a guy I know now sells cannabis, ecstacy and cocaine to a relatively small number of people. To some people he is scum, to others he is a sound guy who takes the risks so they can have fun at the weekend.
Personally, I guess I would feel bad if he got arrested, but I'll still rejoice any time I hear of other dealers being locked up.

Either way, as i said it doesn't matter. The suffering him and those close to him would suffer is nothing compared to the overall satisfaction people like me feel when they read of another scumbag being shown who's boss (particularly if it's in a violent fashion).

hooradiation

do.ob is either doing a pretty good lampooning of the "street justice" crazies that infest these threads OR he's bat**** loco.

I hope it's the former, tbh.