Are 'snow' days taken from your annual leave or wages deducted?

musicfan

If you couldn't get in to work today because of the weather, is the day taken from your annual leave entitlement or are you docked pay or what?

Just wondering what the general consensus is? I know its nobodies fault you couldn't get in but what is the story where you work?

kim_eire

We would have to take an annual leave day.

meditraitor

musicfan wrote: »

If you couldn't get in to work today because of the weather, is the day taken from your annual leave entitlement or are you docked pay or what?

Just wondering what the general consensus is? I know its nobodies fault you couldn't get in but what is the story where you work?

This will be at the discretion of your employer...

AARRRGH

Well it's not your employers fault you didn't make it into work, so I would expect it to be taken as a holiday, or maybe as time you need to work back at some stage in the future.

Where I work there were three options:

Work from home
Work the hours back at some stage
Take a day off

But I work for a nice employer.

messrs

we have to take it as days hols, not givin the option to take it as unpaid leave, oh and we also get the pleasure of been called to HR and getting a verbal warning aswell for not comin in!

AARRRGH

messrs wrote: »

we have to take it as days hols, not givin the option to take it as unpaid leave, oh and we also get the pleasure of been called to HR and getting a verbal warning aswell for not comin in!

Do you work in a call centre or somewhere like that?

musicfan

I know its not the employers fault the staff couldn't get in and I have no problems with not being paid or taken out of my hols but was just wondering what the situation was with most employers....

Messrs, thats a bit harsh getting a verbal warning for not coming in - I mean if it is coming out of your annual holidays its not like the employer is losing out.....

Welease

I just work from home, no vacation used or pay docked.

jimmmy

musicfan wrote: »

If you couldn't get in to work today because of the weather, is the day taken from your annual leave entitlement or are you docked pay or what?

Annual leave or docked pay. Most people can get to work if they really want. In countries used to snow they are laughing at us here in Ireland being so amateurish.

musicfan

jimmmy wrote: »

Annual leave or docked pay. Most people can get to work if they really want. In countries used to snow they are laughing at us here in Ireland being so amateurish.

Agree that other countries are probably laughing at us but we are not used to snow so we cannot cope - it would be different if we had weeks/months of it every year.

Also agree that most people can get to work if they really want but at what cost?

The AA and Gardai are advising people not to make unnecessary journeys and while I know work is necessary, if I am not being paid or am using holidays the company is not losing out. Is it worth the risk of being involved in a serious accident because of the dreadful road conditions or not being able to get home because the buses have been pulled from service. I'm not talking about people living within walking distance of work but some people commute 60/70 miles a day.....

chocgirl

I've to take an annual leave day, annoying when if you make it in for 5 minutes and go straight home you get paid!

pow wow

We're expected to make 'reasonable' efforts to get in, which includes walking if we live within 3 miles of our office. Outside of that, if they're confident we're not taking the mick and are genuine, we get paid as normal.

Everywhere else I've worked we haven't got paid but I'm in the public sector just now.

Dutchie

3 of my staff who live within 8km of the office did not turn up today because of the "snow"
Other staff travelled from Kildare, Meath and Wicklow to the office located in Clondalkin.

The 3 staff who did not turn up will be not be paid.

People will have to start getting real in this country. 1" of snow does not necessitate a day or any time off work.

helimachoptor

I've been off the last 2 days for study leave for an exam tonight which was cancelled:mad:

I am able to work from home, and may do tomorrow but tbh I prefer being in the office so I will probably go in.

messrs

AARRRGH wrote: »

Do you work in a call centre or somewhere like that?

no dont work in call centre, work in office for company based in the service industry, we were told if no busses running, we were expected to get someone to give us lift or get taxi in

messrs

Dutchie wrote: »

3 of my staff who live within 8km of the office did not turn up today because of the "snow"
Other staff travelled from Kildare, Meath and Wicklow to the office located in Clondalkin.

The 3 staff who did not turn up will be not be paid.

People will have to start getting real in this country. 1" of snow does not necessitate a day or any time off work.

so would you expect someone who lives 8km from your office to walk in if there was no busses, clondalkin was not been serviced by DB this mrn, 151 only went to Walkinstown, and the 51's were only going to Red cow

chocgirl

pow wow wrote: »

We're expected to make 'reasonable' efforts to get in, which includes walking if we live within 3 miles of our office. Outside of that, if they're confident we're not taking the mick and are genuine, we get paid as normal.

Everywhere else I've worked we haven't got paid but I'm in the public sector just now.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, I work in the public sector too, HSE. We definitely have to take an annual leave day if we can't get in. It was the same last year! If you've no days left, pay is docked!

dvpower

musicfan wrote: »

Just wondering what the general consensus is? I know its nobodies fault you couldn't get in but what is the story where you work?

Exactly. Its not the employers fault, so no reason that the company should take the hit.

I'd imagine that most places would require that you take a days leave, but wouldn't quibble about making it in an hour late because of the weather.

John Mason

i took today as an annual leave day, emailed work at 7.30am to say not a hope.

am going to attempt to drive in tomorrow and then take the rest of next week off, as annual leave

pow wow

chocgirl wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about that, I work in the public sector too, HSE. We definitely have to take an annual leave day if we can't get in. It was the same last year! If you've no days left, pay is docked!

NI public sector here :P The directive came out this morning to clarify.

chocgirl

pow wow wrote: »

NI public sector here :P The directive came out this morning to clarify.

Ok, lucky, skated all the way into work today, probably will do the same tomorrow!

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

pow wow wrote: »

NI public sector here :P The directive came out this morning to clarify.

I was thinking! Im a civil servant and there isn't a cat in hell's chance we'd be allowed a day off cos of bad roads or whatever - as chocgirl, a days annual leave or go without pay if no leave left

mood

Some people depend on buses. Not all buses were running.

Some other people may be driving on gritted roads where as other my live in places where roads have not been treated at all so I don't think distance is the fairest way to compare.

Some others may have had to stay at home to mind kids as not all schools opened.

Also not everyone who lives near work can walk due to health conditions ie asthmatics, people who have heart problem etc. I also wouldn't expect a woman expecting a baby to walk anywhere in snow/ice and rise falling.

sold

Yep for sure at my workplace, its a holiday as far as my employer is concerned.

bongi69

My partner's boss rang her and told her not to come in, even though she was perfectly capable of making it to work.
Just wondering, what is the legal situation there regarding pay. Is she paid for the hours she was meant to work, or does she take the hit?

flo2009

bongi69 wrote: »

My partner's boss rang her and told her not to come in, even though she was perfectly capable of making it to work.
Just wondering, what is the legal situation there regarding pay. Is she paid for the hours she was meant to work, or does she take the hit?

If they tell her not to come in (which is really decent) then they have to pay her, well thats the way it works for us. Also if we are sent home, then we get paid. I missed stephens day and the following tuesday not cause of the snow but the ice and he paid me for both but it is at his own discretion.. In general i think when the boss knows you are not pulling the piss then they are fair enough..:):):)

For the person that is expected to get a life regardless and get a verbal warning, I pity you, I would hate to work for that company!:mad::mad:

eth0_

Dutchie wrote: »

3 of my staff who live within 8km of the office did not turn up today because of the "snow"
Other staff travelled from Kildare, Meath and Wicklow to the office located in Clondalkin.

The 3 staff who did not turn up will be not be paid.

People will have to start getting real in this country. 1" of snow does not necessitate a day or any time off work.

*thank god I don't work for someone like you*

testicle

chocgirl wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about that, I work in the public sector too, HSE. We definitely have to take an annual leave day if we can't get in. It was the same last year! If you've no days left, pay is docked!

Can't you take a day USL?

mood

testicle wrote: »

Can't you take a day USL?

What is USL?

dingding

Uncertified Sick Leave.

eth0_

dingding wrote: »

Uncertified Sick Leave.

Your employer is under no obligation to pay you for sick days, though.

annmarie55

musicfan wrote: »

If you couldn't get in to work today because of the weather, is the day taken from your annual leave entitlement or are you docked pay or what?

Just wondering what the general consensus is? I know its nobodies fault you couldn't get in but what is the story where you work?

the way we have to do it where i work is
No Work = No Pay :mad:

sold

messrs wrote: »

so would you expect someone who lives 8km from your office to walk in if there was no busses, clondalkin was not been serviced by DB this mrn, 151 only went to Walkinstown, and the 51's were only going to Red cow

Hey, is it your employers fault you live 8 km from work.

jimmmy

People who only live 8km / 5 miles from work can easily walk, get a taxi, bus, stay closer to work, get a lift from someone or whatever. If they cannot get to work they should not be paid. That is how it works in the real world. They should not be paid for not working.

mood

I agree it's ok not to pay in such situations but it's not fair to hold it against the person.

For example I know someone who has had a few heart attacks. They have been told to avoid extremes in tempatures as this forces the heart to work harder which could result in another heart attack. There are a lot of other conditions like this which means someone could not walk to work.

Also I would give anyone a lift in this weather.

And if you live outside Dublin there most likely are no buses.

sharms

jimmmy wrote: »

Annual leave or docked pay. Most people can get to work if they really want. In countries used to snow they are laughing at us here in Ireland being so amateurish.

agree with u there left my house at 6.45 to walk for an hour in the ice just to get to the dart station, meanwhile my boss who lives 5mins away from me took the day off...f***in disgrave it makes me so angry

mood

Well, we need to remember that countries like Germany and Poland where they get snow every winter they are prepared. They have proper gritting, I think they put special tires on car for the snow etc. We have County Councils who can't/won't even grit roads. We can't carry on as normal without being properly prepared.

Dyr

jimmmy wrote: »

If they cannot get to work they should not be paid. That is how it works in the real world. They should not be paid for not working.

As opposed to where? Narnia, where everyone else lives?

jimmmy

jimmmy wrote: »

People who only live 8km / 5 miles from work can easily walk, get a taxi...

I'd make a point of not doing business with you.

Mr. Presentable

sharms wrote: »

agree with u there left my house at 6.45 to walk for an hour in the ice just to get to the dart station, meanwhile my boss who lives 5mins away from me took the day off...f***in disgrave it makes me so angry

Why does it make you angry? Does it p you off every time she takes a day off?

She owns the company, pays the wages, can do as she pleases as far as you are concerned.

Kudos for making the effort to get to work though, many other lazy b's haven't bothered.

How did you know it was a "she"? (I'm no way involved, just wondering )

sharms

nipplenuts wrote: »

Why does it make you angry? Does it p you off every time she takes a day off?

She owns the company, pays the wages, can do as she pleases as far as you are concerned.

Kudos for making the effort to get to work though, many other lazy b's haven't bothered.

nah i work in a solicitors office, she the manager, not partner. It's just annoying when she has her own rules for herself. Still I suppose only makes her look bad when I'm here bright and early

GreeBo

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd make a point of not doing business with you.

Why?
5 miles is hardly the end of the world?
Paths are fine in most places bar the city centre where the foot traffic has turned them to ice.

thirtythirty

musicfan wrote: »

If you couldn't get in to work today because of the weather, is the day taken from your annual leave entitlement or are you docked pay or what?

Just wondering what the general consensus is? I know its nobodies fault you couldn't get in but what is the story where you work?

As a matter of interest, where do you live? Not looking for exact address! Just the general area.

messrs

sold wrote: »

Hey, is it your employers fault you live 8 km from work.

so you reckon we should all move house and buy one next door to our jobs then?????

musicfan

spottyelephant wrote: »

As a matter of interest, where do you live? Not looking for exact address! Just the general area.

North east..........

Penn

sharms wrote: »

Still I suppose only makes her look bad when I'm here bright and early

Exactly. A few years ago I worked mornings in a hotel and used to cycle to work (about 2.5 miles). It was my day off, but got a call at half 7 asking me could I come in to cover for one of the other lads who couldn't make it in because it had been snowing etc (not as bad as we have now, but still pretty bad)

So even though it was meant to be my day off, I ended up cycling 2.5 miles in the snow and ice to cover for the other guy, who only lives 2 miles away (opposite direction)

A week later, one of us was fired and the other got a €50 bonus. I won't say which was which

Nody

mood wrote: »

Well, we need to remember that countries like Germany and Poland where they get snow every winter they are prepared. They have proper gritting, I think they put special tires on car for the snow etc. We have County Councils who can't/won't even grit roads. We can't carry on as normal without being properly prepared.

Sorry but that is only a half truth at best. Having lived (and driven) in countries where "snow comes every winter" I can assure you that driving on summer tires is very much possible (not recommended but possible) on most roads outside the mountains (and even there if you got a decent enough diesel for low growel shuffling depending on the incline). Yes, it is slower then usual and yes you actually need to give proper room to the car in front of you but needing winter tires and salted roads to drive with some snow? Sorry, no.

If it is slippery what you need to do is drive a lot more careful though and not go down the route at 100+ expecting to be able to break as quickly as on dry summer road. As a driver you need to actually have a feel for how your grip is (and these days with anti spin and anti slide systems it is even easier) and break earlier and make wider turn accordingly. Having said that if you got a big parking lot you have a lot of fun with summer tires and the first snow as well though .

Where I work it's taken out of my annual leave which I think is perfectly acceptable. As is deducting pay. I agree that you should not get paid if you're not there.

To those people saying that most people can make it to work, you are not entirely correct.

I see one person suggesting walking 8km to work. Are you serious? 8 Km would take me about 1hr 15 minutes in good weather. In this it may take 2 1/2 hours plus broken bones.

Then there are people with kids, do you expect them to walk their kids to wherever they have to go prior to getting to work? On a good day it would take me 1 hour to walk to my mams house and from there at least another hour to work (double those for ice). Would you expect my 5 year old daughter to walk that 1-2 hours in ice just so I can get to work?
I don't think so.

For some people it's just not veasible. I don't think people will take the mick here so I really think that companies who discipline their staff should be made an example of.

Thankfully I have felt confident enough to drive, and so far no problems. But there are definitely people that can't get to work without risking serious injury.

AARRRGH

I think part of the reason HR has to be strict on snow days is due to the usual suspects using them as an excuse for a day off work.

Honestly I could have predicted the people who wouldn't be in my office yesterday and today...

doctor_gonzo

jimmmy wrote: »

Annual leave or docked pay. Most people can get to work if they really want. In countries used to snow they are laughing at us here in Ireland being so amateurish.

How simplistic. I work in Wicklow and live in North Dublin, an hour's drive into work on a normal day now taking 2-3 hours to commute each way!! Wicklow is thick with snow on the N11. It's not amateurish in fairness, it's unprecedented conditions that I haven't seen to this extent in my working lifetime.

That said I haven't missed a day yet. But if Sunday's promised heavy snow materialises I simply won't be chancing it next Monday. If an employer hires someone they know is dependent on their car, they simply must make allowances, or allow that person work from home.