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Worst car for these conditions
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07-01-2010 10:56am#1
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510bhp you say ??
Yup, about 450bhp too much in these conditions to be honest!
However, I can report that the wipers on the XJ are top notch (in case anyone was wondering) as I sat in with about 5 inches of snow on the windscreen and they managed to clear it all. I was expecting a whirr and nothing, or a snap maybe. Damn fine wipers.0 -
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saw a transit with 3 big lads in the front not going anywhere, trying to get up a slope I wouldnt consider any steeper then an average driveway
Should have put 2 of them in the back
Seen an idiot in an M3 trying to get up constitution hill yesterday...foot to the floor you could hear the rev limiter kicking in...0 -
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Anything RWD with auto must be the worst, was listening to Ryan Tubridy, who drives such a machine describe his attempts to get to a function last night. He gave up, and today got a taxi to work.
Keep hearing that but dont get it. Our 530i Auto is no great shakes (Im rather critical of it actually) and the tyres on the front are totally crap (Nexxens..), but its not that hard to drive at all. The Auto box by its nature doesnt dump power unless you kick down and presumably BMW DSC and Auto work together, in an intelligent manner.
I would say, from my experience, RWD and manual is harder (and I really like manuals). Auto is point and shoot, get into trouble and its 2 less things to even think about (clutch and gear).
Your story on Ryan Tubridy doesnt nothing to lift him from my impression of him as a "talentless tool" either. Cant drive an Auto in Ice? Good man.. 0 -
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Matt Simis wrote: »Keep hearing that but dont get it. Our 530i Auto is no great shakes (Im rather critical of it actually) and the tyres on the front are totally crap (Nexxens..), but its not that hard to drive at all. The Auto box by its nature doesnt dump power unless you kick down and presumably BMW DSC and Auto work together, in an intelligent manner.
Have to say, my 520i is an absolute joke and would never get one again.
In this weather I would prefer to have my Skoda Octavia back. Never had issues with it driving in weather like this.
The RWD with auto is just pointless. If you switch to manual, it just tells you that you shouldn't use that gear when you really know you want to and switches to whatever it feels is the best one...
The ESP (or ASC as they call it on BMW's) absolute waste of time, I have to turn it off to get up even the smallest slope!!! Otherwise the thing just cancels each other out and you get nowhere at all.
So my conclusion is.... RWD, Auto and ESP that can't be turned off.... definitely the worst.
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But we never had weather like this! Not recently anyway!Have to say, my 520i is an absolute joke and would never get one again.
In this weather I would prefer to have my Skoda Octavia back. Never had issues with it driving in weather like this.
The RWD with auto is just pointless. If you switch to manual, it just tells you that you shouldn't use that gear when you really know you want to and switches to whatever it feels is the best one...
The ESP (or ASC as they call it on BMW's) absolute waste of time, I have to turn it off to get up even the smallest slope!!! Otherwise the thing just cancels each other out and you get nowhere at all.
So my conclusion is.... RWD, Auto and ESP that can't be turned off.... definitely the worst.0 -
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My Octavia Auto is great.
Turn on the window demister and it rev's a little more, perfect for creeping off. When it comes time to stop I put it in tip-tronic and drop the gears manually.
As for the "women are better drivers then men" thing.
Point to note. If the wheels spin with a little power its not your cue to rev the crap out of it. 0 -
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Have to say, my 520i is an absolute joke and would never get one again.
In this weather I would prefer to have my Skoda Octavia back. Never had issues with it driving in weather like this.
The RWD with auto is just pointless. If you switch to manual, it just tells you that you shouldn't use that gear when you really know you want to and switches to whatever it feels is the best one...
The ESP (or ASC as they call it on BMW's) absolute waste of time, I have to turn it off to get up even the smallest slope!!! Otherwise the thing just cancels each other out and you get nowhere at all.
So my conclusion is.... RWD, Auto and ESP that can't be turned off.... definitely the worst.
Hmm... Im not trying to be argumentative and we each have our own experiences and all, but come on man, so much of that is simply incorrect.
"The RWD with auto is just pointless. If you switch to manual, it just tells you that you shouldn't use that gear when you really know you want to and switches to whatever it feels is the best one..."
Dont switch to manual then, let the auto box do its job. If you feel you have to, something wrong with the car (box, tyres etc) or your driving style
The ESP (or ASC as they call it on BMW's) absolute waste of time, I have to turn it off to get up even the smallest slope!!! Otherwise the thing just cancels each other out and you get nowhere at all.
ESP / ASC are stability control systems. BMW retired ASC years ago, its DSC now. You have described a situation where Traction Control (TC) needed to be deactivated. Regardless of the system you are referring to, again thats not "right". Have a look at Tiff trying to drive a FWD car up an ice slope without TC on (mid way through, whole video worth watching):
The other old chestnut is covered to, the idea that ABS is worse to have on in the Ice and no ABS (its not, you need it).0 -
Linky Vidy no worky?Matt Simis wrote: »Hmm... Im not trying to be argumentative and we each have our own experiences and all, but come on man, so much of that is simply incorrect.
"The RWD with auto is just pointless. If you switch to manual, it just tells you that you shouldn't use that gear when you really know you want to and switches to whatever it feels is the best one..."
Dont switch to manual then, let the auto box do its job. If you feel you have to, something wrong with the car (box, tyres etc) or your driving style
The ESP (or ASC as they call it on BMW's) absolute waste of time, I have to turn it off to get up even the smallest slope!!! Otherwise the thing just cancels each other out and you get nowhere at all.
ESP / ASC are stability control systems. BMW retired ASC years ago, its DSC now. You have described a situation where Traction Control (TC) needed to be deactivated. Regardless of the system you are referring to, again thats not "right". Have a look at Tiff trying to drive a FWD car up an ice slope without TC on (mid way through, whole video worth watching):
The other old chestnut is covered to, the idea that ABS is worse to have on in the Ice and no ABS (its not, you need it).
OOOOOOO I got it workin in my quote 0 -
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Matt Simis wrote: »Hmm... Im not trying to be argumentative and we each have our own experiences and all, but come on man, so much of that is simply incorrect.
Be argumentative away man, I don't mind! That's what a discussion is all about!Matt Simis wrote: »Dont switch to manual then, let the auto box do its job. If you feel you have to, something wrong with the car (box, tyres etc) or your driving style
The auto leaves the car in to high revs, so you just end up in wheel spin.Matt Simis wrote: »ESP / ASC are stability control systems. You have described a situation where Traction Control (TC) needed to be deactivated. Regardless of the system you are referring to, again thats not "right".
A quick example, I got stuck on a hill in the last bout of snow. The traction control kicked in and cancelled everything out. In other words none of the wheels were stable and the car wouldn't move.
Completely agree, it's there to stabilise - that's fine when you are moving... when you're stuck it's pointless.
The only way I could get out of that situation was to turn off traction control and let one of the wheels grab. And as you can see, others have turned off ASC too to get the car going....Matt Simis wrote: »The other old chestnut is covered to, the idea that ABS is worse to have on in the Ice and no ABS (its not, you need it).
Completely agree that you need it, but have personally found avoiding using brakes at all is best plan of action.
So overall, I agree with what you are saying in terms of what "should" work - but that's only in certain conditions. The car is very stable when ON the road - trying to get out of a sticky patch or climb a hill... forget about it.
Oh and you're more than welcome to come prove me wrong and get my car out of this housing estate!!! Could do with getting out today!!! 0 -
Matt Simis wrote: »Hmm... Im not trying to be argumentative and we each have our own experiences and all, but come on man, so much of that is simply incorrect.
"The RWD with auto is just pointless. If you switch to manual, it just tells you that you shouldn't use that gear when you really know you want to and switches to whatever it feels is the best one..."
Dont switch to manual then, let the auto box do its job. If you feel you have to, something wrong with the car (box, tyres etc) or your driving style
The ESP (or ASC as they call it on BMW's) absolute waste of time, I have to turn it off to get up even the smallest slope!!! Otherwise the thing just cancels each other out and you get nowhere at all.
ESP / ASC are stability control systems. BMW retired ASC years ago, its DSC now. You have described a situation where Traction Control (TC) needed to be deactivated. Regardless of the system you are referring to, again thats not "right". Have a look at Tiff trying to drive a FWD car up an ice slope without TC on (mid way through, whole video worth watching):
The other old chestnut is covered to, the idea that ABS is worse to have on in the Ice and no ABS (its not, you need it).
what idiot is gonna do 70mph on sheet ice??0 -
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what idiot is gonna do 70mph on sheet ice??
Man, its weird how some people miss the point this experiment entirely.
They arent showing you have great 70mph is, they are making the Industry standard 50mph test more dangerous to really push the electronic systems.
Well, that may be the difference. The 530i Auto doesnt go rev crazy, its pretty lazy actually (though other people call it rev happy, in my opinion its slow). So in my case, the Auto keeps the Revs lower than I would and TC comes in rarely. Maybe the E39 had a better setup than the E46?The auto leaves the car in to high revs, so you just end up in wheel spin.
Oh and you're more than welcome to come prove me wrong and get my car out of this housing estate!!! Could do with getting out today!!!
I drive ours, as I said, 150km, from little grass up the middle lane ways where I live, to wrecked backroads to the M50, so Ive covered basically the gamut and its been very well behaved.0 -
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