nissan tiida vs nissan note

sharpeg

Hi,
After much searching I've come down to two cars i'm undecided about. The nissan note 1.4l petrol or a nissan tidia hatchback 1.3diesel. (both are 09 models and in the same tax band) Now i know the tiida is the more expensive car new but the spec on this particular note is excellent. I'm being asked for the same price for both. I'm leaning towards the note but would the diesel car be more economical in the long run. Its a second car so the kids etc will be in the other one more often and I'm not expecting to be putting up serous mileage on it (maybe 15-20 k per year). any help would be greatly received.

Note: please don't recommend any other types of cars because I've being in to nearly every dealer in the county at this stage and have being changing my mind constantly for the last 3-4 days!!!

TheColl

sharpeg wrote: »

Note: please don't recommend any other types of cars because I've being in to nearly every dealer in the county at this stage and have being changing my mind constantly for the last 3-4 days!!!

damn, there goes my idea!

personally, if i had to, it would be the tiida but only beacause i think the note is an awful looking car. the tiida hatchback ok looking, cant believe im sayin that about a modern nissan!

given the fact that you're not goin to be doing much mileage then i wouldnt put too much weight on the economy of a diesel engine.

Damien360

sharpeg wrote: »

Note: please don't recommend any other types of cars because I've being in to nearly every dealer in the county at this stage and have being changing my mind constantly for the last 3-4 days!!!

Both cars are ugly as sin. I know a long time nissan all the way man, who drove almeras and primeras only. He was waiting for the new tilda to come out until he saw it in the flesh. Never heard a man curse so much in my life. He got an amazing deal on a quasqui for being a long term customer of a particular garage and that was the only thing that made him stick to the nissan brand.

Please change your mind.

andrew1977

Damien360 wrote: »

Both cars are ugly as sin. I know a long time nissan all the way man, who drove almeras and primeras only. He was waiting for the new tilda to come out until he saw it in the flesh. Never heard a man curse so much in my life. He got an amazing deal on a quasqui for being a long term customer of a particular garage and that was the only thing that made him stick to the nissan brand.

Please change your mind.

I agree with you there, horrible horrible looking cars,

Victor_M

Can you please tell us how much your are planning to spend on the Nissan bland and the other Nissan Bland and I'd bet we can suggest at least 1000 cars that are as cheap, better, more interesting.

colm_mcm

Please change your mind as you have picked 2 woeful cars.

If you could give us your criteria I'm sure we can democratically give you and idea of the best car for the money,

How much do you have to spend?
How many people will the car be carrying?
Is there and particular spec items you need?
How long do you intend to keep the car
Is there a trade in involved?

sharpeg

:D:D:D never realized they were that bad looking (ok the note is bad but i thought the tiida hatchback was fine). I've about 14000-14500 with a 03 206 to trade (each garage i've gone to is giving me about 2500 for it) but would prefer not to spend all of the money if possible. I'm not that keen on the new 207, liked the corsa and fiesta. My main purpose for car is getting from a to b. not interested in flash high speed things. I would like a car thats economical.

I'm getting the feeling I'll be spending a few more days doing my head in

colm_mcm

I'd be considering the following:

2010 SEAT Leon 1.4 Costa @ €15,235 (Tax band C)
If you like extras then the 1.4 Sport is only a few hundred € extra.

Not massively economical but not hard on juice either.

The new model VW Polo is definitely worth a look. also there are a good few 09 ones starting around €13k.

mickdw

Please dont buy the nissans. I at first thought you were referring to 2010 cars but you say that both nissans are 2009. Seeing as you are happy with a 2009 car, there are loads of options well within your price range. You could have a 2009 focus plus a holiday for your money or anything like hyundia i30, Mazda 3. Looking at smaller stuff - corsa, 207 etc, you would have even more choice. THe nissan would not be on any list of mine regardless of price. The note is poor design but the Tiida is just UGLY

cvisser

Dont forget the Kia Cee'd CRDI, same car as I30 but has 7 year Warranty from reg date!

Stevie Dakota

Note? Tiida? That is like deciding which arm to chop off.

bf

If you are hell bent on getting a Tiida/Note you might be better off going to the EP Mooney auction - plenty of them there:

http://www.eauctions.ie/pages/currentsales/ep-mooney-in-liquidation.php

Sell your own car privately then

I wouldnt pay more than €7 - €8k for a 08/09 Tiida, they depreciate horrendously & are very hard to shift on. If you want a car to get you from A to B then fine, but as other posters note if you have the remotest interest in driving, then there are better cars out there!!

Victor_M

bf wrote: »

If you are hell bent on getting a Tiida/Note you might be better off going to the EP Mooney auction - plenty of them there:

http://www.eauctions.ie/pages/currentsales/ep-mooney-in-liquidation.php

Sell your own car privately then

I wouldnt pay more than €7 - €8k for a 08/09 Tiida, they depreciate horrendously & are very hard to shift on. If you want a car to get you from A to B then fine, but as other posters note if you have the remotest interest in driving, then there are better cars out there!!

Don't be encouraging him! Would you not get a nice Civic or Focus for that sort of money 14K + the 206 so around 16-17K in total.

Mailman

In the US you can buy a Tiida badged as a Versa for €9990 dollars brand new which is less than €7K at current exchange rates.

The Tiida appears to be a re-skinned Dacia Sandero/Logan which of itself isn't a bad thing but it is in no way a competitor to an Astra or a Focus.

sharpeg

Mmmmmm I think I get the message!!! No note or tilda then. Missus doesn't like 207, I don't like Hyundai. Renault, ford dealer have not got back to me on prices after 4 days so not going near them. I've been offered a 2009 diesel corsa for 12000 with my car. It's the top spec design with a/c half
leather, alloys, Bluetooth phone kit and tons more (design model). 28000km. Have driven it and feels fine. Anything against opels??

Stevie Dakota

Here's an option for you. 2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec, great car, nearly new. €14,200 all in after VRT (€1926), so under your budget. Sell you car privately and pocket whatever you get for it! I'd take it over a Corsa any day.

http://www.motorpoint.co.uk/(S(f4s54u55tfbgwi45prmpcs55))/Search/VehicleDetails.aspx?vehicle=247761&diesel=yes&maxprice=11000

EPM

sharpeg wrote: »

Mmmmmm I think I get the message!!! No note or tilda then. Missus doesn't like 207, I don't like Hyundai. Renault, ford dealer have not got back to me on prices after 4 days so not going near them. I've been offered a 2009 diesel corsa for 12000 with my car. It's the top spec design with a/c half
leather, alloys, Bluetooth phone kit and tons more (design model). 28000km. Have driven it and feels fine. Anything against opels??

Great engine if it's the 1.3. Decent spec too...and it's not a Tiidugh

sharpeg

It is the 1.3 disel engine (the 90 bhs version).

colm_mcm

nice engine. very good car too. way better than the Note or Tiida.

EPM

sharpeg wrote: »

It is the 1.3 disel engine (the 90 bhs version).

All the better as there's also a 75 brake version. Comes in under budget too. Win win

sharpeg

Thanks for all the advice. I think I will go for the corsa.

VolvoMan

Mailman wrote: »

In the US you can buy a Tiida badged as a Versa for €9990 dollars brand new which is less than €7K at current exchange rates.

We're not in America though, are we?

The Tiida appears to be a re-skinned Dacia Sandero/Logan which of itself isn't a bad thing but it is in no way a competitor to an Astra or a Focus.

No it's not.

colm_mcm

The Dacia Logan is based on the Renault Thalia/Renault Symbol which themselves are based on the Clio. It's a good bit taller and longer. (200mm in the difference of the wheelbases)

The Tiida also shares a stretched version of the platform. (Nissan B Platform which is used for the Cube, Note and JDM Bluebird)
Nissan do sell a variant of the Logan (well, a version of the Thalia) - it's called the Platina.

Mailman

It's a platform B/B0 car. In the same way as an A3 and Octavia are a reskinned Golf, the Dacia is a reskinned Nissan/Renault.

Main complaint I've seen about the Tiida is that because it is based on Clio platform it is more a 4.5 seater than a true 5 seater. If it were a 5 seater it would become in a few years a Hackney favourite.

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colm_mcm

Volvoman is right on both counts though

Mailman

US market sells a Saturn and a Ford Focus that were considerably more expensive than the Nissan Versa.
Nissan Ireland tried to pitch this car in the same class as the Focus and the Astra and the Corolla.

B and B0 are essentially the same.
Nissan Versa/Tiida was never meant to be sold in Western Europe but Irish demand for Small Saloon forced Nissan to market it here.
It's as much a reskinned Dacia Logan as the last model Skoda Superb is a reskinned long wheelbase VW Passat.
So I'm right on both points.

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colm_mcm

The difference with the Passat/Superb thing is that VW actually sell a badge engineered version of the Skoda as the Passat Lingyu. It's not even reskinned!



I had a rental Tiida last year, it was woeful. It's closely related to the Logan, but I got a spin in a Logan when I was in Romania, my gosh they're basic

TheColl

this has gone way off topic!

OP, so ur goin for the corsa? have u considered the fiesta as suggested at the above?

Mailman

colm_mcm wrote: »

The difference with the Passat/Superb thing is that VW actually sell a badge engineered version of the Skoda as the Passat Lingyu. It's not even reskinned!



I had a rental Tiida last year, it was woeful. It's closely related to the Logan, but I got a spin in a Logan when I was in Romania, my gosh they're basic

you're stretching a point here. I was aware of the Skoda Superb being a VW sold in China to Party officials but that is not common knowledge to most people frequenting a forum like this as opposed to the the Dacia Logan/Sandero which get made fun of weekly on Top Gear.

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sharpeg

TheColl wrote: »

this has gone way off topic!

OP, so ur goin for the corsa? have u considered the fiesta as suggested at the above?

Yeah i did consider the fiesta. As a (I cant stress this enough!!!) non-motor enthusiast I find the fiesta and the corsa I'm going for much of a muchness and as I stated in a previous post I still have not got a reply from the ford garage on prices 4 days after asking for them so If they don't want my business thats up to them so the corsa it is. The opel dealer even threw in a years tax after i said i was taking it (I know its only €150ish but he didnt need to.)
Maybe off the point but I can't understand both the renault and ford dealers not coming back to me. From newspaper reports and people like Bill cullen on the radio the motor business is in trouble and any business they could get i thought they would jump at. I have found the last week interesting in the approaches of the main dealer garages. Only really the Nissan and Opel garages were really willing to do deals and bend over backwards to help me.

VolvoMan

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Dacia Logan is based on the Renault Thalia/Renault Symbol which themselves are based on the Clio. It's a good bit taller and longer. (200mm in the difference of the wheelbases)

It's the last generation Clio that it's based on though, and if you look at them side by side, you will see a resemblance:






The Tiida/Versa is based on a stretched version of the present generation Clio's platform.

sharpeg

Maybe one last question. Is everybody's impression of the note purely based on the fact that its not the best looking (the back that is) or other things. I have to say when I test drove it i found it extremely comfortable and nippy too (1.4l engine version). good spec too.

VolvoMan

sharpeg wrote: »

Maybe one last question. Is everybody's impression of the note purely based on the fact that its not the best looking (the back that is) or other things. I have to say when I test drove it i found it extremely comfortable and nippy too (1.4l engine version). good spec too.

The Note is not a bad car at all and it's getting quite a hard time on this thread. They are very versatile apparently.

The Tiida though is a horrible thing and is to be avoided at all costs.

TheColl

sharpeg wrote: »

Maybe one last question. Is everybody's impression of the note purely based on the fact that its not the best looking (the back that is) or other things. I have to say when I test drove it i found it extremely comfortable and nippy too (1.4l engine version). good spec too.

my opinion is purely basewd on its looks anyway as i have never driven one.

sharpeg

VolvoMan wrote: »

The Tiida though is a horrible thing and is to be avoided at all costs.

Yes I actually found it terrible to drive.

bf

sharpeg wrote: »

Maybe one last question. Is everybody's impression of the note purely based on the fact that its not the best looking (the back that is) or other things. I have to say when I test drove it i found it extremely comfortable and nippy too (1.4l engine version). good spec too.

If as you say you aren't that interested in cars, then the Note will be a reliable car from getting you about.

Noz

So sharpeg, what car did you go with in the end?!

Andrew33

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Note? Tiida? That is like deciding which arm to chop off.

Hahahahaha! and just to add insult to injury BOTH cars are built on the Micra platform and pretending to be from the next class up. Hateful cars, both of them.

Andrew33

sharpeg wrote: »

Mmmmmm I think I get the message!!! No note or tilda then. Missus doesn't like 207, I don't like Hyundai. Renault, ford dealer have not got back to me on prices after 4 days so not going near them. I've been offered a 2009 diesel corsa for 12000 with my car. It's the top spec design with a/c half
leather, alloys, Bluetooth phone kit and tons more (design model). 28000km. Have driven it and feels fine. Anything against opels??

Go and test drive a Skoda Fabia, I dare you to be different, one of the best cars on the road (build quality would put a lexus to shame) and they last for ever. they're a proper little tank of a car.

-Chris-

Andrew33 wrote: »

Hahahahaha!

Really? :rolleyes:

Andrew33 wrote: »

Go and test drive a Skoda Fabia, I dare you to be different, one of the best cars on the road (build quality would put a lexus to shame) and they last for ever. they're a proper little tank of a car.

Praising the build quality of a VAG product, this should be interesting....

Andrew33

-Chris- wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:




Praising the build quality of a VAG product, this should be interesting....

Not sure where you're going with this, I know Skoda is a VAG product but then again so are SEAT etc. SKODA are probably one of the best built of the lot (AUDI included) and if all you want is a good reliable workaday car there really is nothing else. We've 2 in our household so I'm completely unbiased:D

Leonard Hofstadter

The weird thing is that Skodas seem to do much better in reliability surveys than VW or Audi, whether it's down to the old stereotypes of those makes and how much the reality has changed I have no idea though.

-Chris-

I'd personally feel that the customer's expectations are set by the brand to a large extent.

If your Alfa or Renault breaks down you're probably going to be less upset than if your Lexus breaks down.
Also what's acceptable will vary too - a rattle in the dash of an Octavia is less likely to make a customer upset than the same rattle in an A3.


Of course there should be an expectation of higher build quality in more expensive goods, but the reality is different.
You'll get a bigger car with more expensive plastics, higher quality materials and more "prestigious" badge, but it's probably just as likely to develop a rattle in the dash...

Andrew33

captainspeed wrote: »

The weird thing is that Skodas seem to do much better in reliability surveys than VW or Audi, whether it's down to the old stereotypes of those makes and how much the reality has changed I have no idea though.

There's nothing weird about it, they're just better built!

Andrew33

-Chris- wrote: »

I'd personally feel that the customer's expectations are set by the brand to a large extent.

If your Alfa or Renault breaks down you're probably going to be less upset than if your Lexus breaks down.
Also what's acceptable will vary too - a rattle in the dash of an Octavia is less likely to make a customer upset than the same rattle in an A3.


Of course there should be an expectation of higher build quality in more expensive goods, but the reality is different.
You'll get a bigger car with more expensive plastics, higher quality materials and more "prestigious" badge, but it's probably just as likely to develop a rattle in the dash...

What a crock of ****e! thats just the thing! you DON'T get rattles in a skoda. its nothing to do with owners having lower expectations. its cold hard facts about how many times a model breaks down or lets an owner down. I did have an irritating rattle in mine and after much searching it turned out to be a 2 cent coin in the passenger door pocket! I was in a mk1 Octavia taxi in Portugal last year and it had 650,000kms and it still felt tight and rattle free. I know a person who traded in her Octavia for a Megane and she cries every day for her Skoda.

EPM

Andrew33 wrote: »

What a crock of ****e! thats just the thing! you DON'T get rattles in a skoda. its nothing to do with owners having lower expectations. its cold hard facts about how many times a model breaks down or lets an owner down. I did have an irritating rattle in mine and after much searching it turned out to be a 2 cent coin in the passenger door pocket! I was in a mk1 Octavia taxi in Portugal last year and it had 650,000kms and it still felt tight and rattle free. I know a person who traded in her Octavia for a Megane and she cries every day for her Skoda.

Wow, Skoda must have cracked the car building thing. Everyone else should just pack up shop:D

Your expectations are of course related the cost of the car. That's not to say a cheaper car will be less reliable but I'd be pretty annoyed if I was left stranded at the side of the road in a €100k Merc. I might get over it in a Clio I'd imagine

Andrew33

EPM wrote: »

Wow, Skoda must have cracked the car building thing. Everyone else should just pack up shop:D

Your expectations are of course related the cost of the car. That's not to say a cheaper car will be less reliable but I'd be pretty annoyed if I was left stranded at the side of the road in a €100k Merc. I might get over it in a Clio I'd imagine

This thread is getting pointless, but I'll say this, cost of vehicle has absolutely nothing to do with build quality or reliability,
Where does Mercedes/BMW/Jaguar(improved lately I believe) fall in the JD POWER surveys for reliability??

Wifes Fabia was bought new in 2003 for €15k, has never failed to start (even after being left parked for 7 weeks without being started) or broken down or left us stranded.

My Octavia was bought new in 2006 for €33k and the same applies.
Say what you like about taxi drivers the world over but they know whats what when it comes to comfort and reliability.

And to your last statement, you're probably more likely to be stranded by your 100k merc than by a 10k skoda.

I'm really glad you don't get the Skoda thing.

EPM

Andrew33 wrote: »

This thread is getting pointless, but I'll say this, cost of vehicle has absolutely nothing to do with build quality or reliability,
Where does Mercedes/BMW/Jaguar(improved lately I believe) fall in the JD POWER surveys for reliability??

Wifes Fabia was bought new in 2003 for €15k, has never failed to start (even after being left parked for 7 weeks without being started) or broken down or left us stranded.

My Octavia was bought new in 2006 for €33k and the same applies.
Say what you like about taxi drivers the world over but they know whats what when it comes to comfort and reliability.

And to your last statement, you're probably more likely to be stranded by your 100k merc than by a 10k skoda.

But from Chris's post we were talking about expectations regarding cars people buy and I think I said exactly the above in my last post.

Andrew33 wrote: »

I'm really glad you don't get the Skoda thing.

I'm not arguing with you or being anti-Skoda so don't bother doing the whole fan boy Skoda thing on me. I've stood up for them enough around here. With the amount of threads here on them I think the whole funkin place gets it by now

Leonard Hofstadter

Are Skoda owners now taking over from Toyota owners in terms of how delusional they are about their cars:)?

Skodas are good and everything and I would have a Superb in a heartbeat if I was doing big mileage and wanted a nice comfy barge but they are not that good.

SV

A skoda with a 1.9tdi engine...now there's a weapon and a half

Andrew33

captainspeed wrote: »

Are Skoda owners now taking over from Toyota owners in terms of how delusional they are about their cars:)?

Skodas are good and everything and I would have a Superb in a heartbeat if I was doing big mileage and wanted a nice comfy barge but they are not that good.

Sorry Captain but they are that good!