Larry Murphy reported to be moving back to carlow.(MOD WARNINGS, SEE POSTS #2 AND 28)

questioner

http://www.carlowpeople.ie/news/rapist-to-come-live-in-carlow-1999298.html

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Super-Rush

I'm locking this for now. PM sent to the op.

ShayK1

after consultation we have agreed to re-open this thread but be warned.

We will not be tolerating any speculation or non-factual content on this one. It will be heavily moderated and if anyone steps out of line I will hand out 2 week bans and I will close the thread.

wheres me jumpa

Right, before testicle gets this thread locked, I am going to have my say.

Having read some of the articles, I was amazed to see The Nationalist claim that 16 detectives would be employed to protect Murphy. Im surprised somebody can make a decision that endangers themselves and costs the state money. Never mind the potential impact it could cause to those involved in the case.

TheZohanS

I hope he's banned out of every licenced estalishment and every single business in the town.

homerhop

wheres me jumpa wrote: »

Right, before testicle gets this thread locked, I am going to have my say.

Having read some of the articles, I was amazed to see The Nationalist claim that 16 detectives would be employed to protect Murphy. Im surprised somebody can make a decision that endangers themselves and costs the state money. Never mind the potential impact it could cause to those involved in the case.

I would take everything reported by papers with a grain of salt,journalists are not renound for looking up the actual facts before writing their articles.

Maximilian

Yeah I love the way the article says he is "expected" to live in Carlow. Why not go the whole hog and say "could potentially".

I'm surprised they didn't hand out free pitchforks with that newspaper.

DO'Carlo/Wex

Maximilian wrote: »

Yeah I love the way the article says he is "expected" to live in Carlow. Why not go the whole hog and say "could potentially".

I'm surprised they didn't hand out free pitchforks with that newspaper.

He could potentially live ANYWHERE in Ireland, Europe or The World.
Thought it a bit of a non-story tbh when I saw headline.
Not sure if he still with wifey or not but couldn't say Wickla People have reported same story ondly using he is expected to live/stay/remain on in Balto (where he from originally no?)?
It smacks me of nothing much to write about journalism.
With the Weather way it is, a "story" like this could've waited til closer time he was released.
Later this year could mean Enda December ffs.

seanybiker

I hate all that getting off early for good behaviour crap. I cant see the local people being happy wherever he moves to.

The Gish

I would imagine that he will be banned from local establishments as the owners would be afraid of "others" taking the law into their own hands thus causing conflict.
Residents in Carlow, or whatever town / area he decides to live in, will be monitoring his every movements I would imagine.
"Good Behaviour" I wish someone could explain this term to me. I steal a "loaf of bread", I get 3 months in prision and because I am "Good" I get out early ???? The law itself has a lot to answer for?
There are people sitting in high office handing out minor sentences for major crimes and because they have armed protection from the state or they live in so called "posh" areas of the country where crime is low, they loose the reality of the situation.
I have been as PC as I could with this thread. Oh I had to bite my tongue.

homerhop

DO'Carlo/Wex wrote: »

Not sure if he still with wifey or not

No, and i do feel sorry for her and her children, they will go through the rest of their lives known by the gossip mongers as the wife or children of LM which is a terrible pity as they are very decent people.

Establishments will have a problem banning him if he is released, no different than places tryiing to ban people just because they are from the traveling community. Regardless of what we may think once he is released he is starting a clean sheet as he cannot be retried on previous evidence and even if he is found guilty of another crime his previous ones can not be brought to bear on future hearings.

testicle

wheres me jumpa wrote: »

Right, before testicle gets this thread locked, I am going to have my say.

I was banned from here for calling the Mods Nazis, I was unable to get in before you.

Sully

testicle wrote: »

I was banned from here for calling the Mods Nazis, I was unable to get in before you.

Oh hello. Just reminding you that we are still alive and kicking my dear old friend. Threading on very thin ice. Just a tip.

Now, lets swing this back on topic thank you all.

Fighting Irish

"HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR GOOD!!!!111"

We should all join that facebook page "don't let larry out", maybe then they'll reconsider and lock him up for life

testicle

Sully wrote: »

Oh hello. Just reminding you that we are still alive and kicking my dear old friend.

So am I my ould flower, so am I :rolleyes:

shotgun mike

Fighting Irish wrote: »

"HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR GOOD!!!!111"

We should all join that facebook page "don't let larry out", maybe then they'll reconsider and lock him up for life

yes, the minister for justice is going to circumvent a judge's and prison board's decision because people joined a facebook page. that, i'm really sorry to say, ranks as more a naive statement (and indeed campaign) than the whole thierry henry thing.

People commit crimes, people are convicted of crimes, judges weigh up all the evidence and attempt to impose an unbiased sentence. After serving time in prison, people are judged on those years and if they have not caused much, or any, trouble in prison, fulfilled certain obligations they are rewarded with time taken off their sentence.

This is not a new system introduced for larry murphy, it is a fact of the irish legal system... and as much as we all love to bitch and moan about the irish prison system, ireland is still ranked as one of the safer countries and europe and so the world.

get over it.

Fighting Irish

shotgun mike wrote: »

yes, the minister for justice is going to circumvent a judge's and prison board's decision because people joined a facebook page. that, i'm really sorry to say, ranks as more a naive statement (and indeed campaign) than the whole thierry henry thing.

People commit crimes, people are convicted of crimes, judges weigh up all the evidence and attempt to impose an unbiased sentence. After serving time in prison, people are judged on those years and if they have not caused much, or any, trouble in prison, fulfilled certain obligations they are rewarded with time taken off their sentence.

This is not a new system introduced for larry murphy, it is a fact of the irish legal system... and as much as we all love to bitch and moan about the irish prison system, ireland is still ranked as one of the safer countries and europe and so the world.

get over it.

I'm on your side, there was a lot of sarcasm in my post

MrStuffins

Fighting Irish wrote: »

"HE SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR GOOD!!!!111"

We should all join that facebook page "don't let larry out", maybe then they'll reconsider and lock him up for life

"If we get 1,000,000 members, the Department for Justice will keep Larry Murphy locked up for good"

God i hate those Facebook pages. And i hate people who believe them even more.

On topic, i would NOT be happy having this guy live anywhere near me. IMO, 8-9 years sitting in a prison cell is not rehabilitation for a rapist.

shotgun mike

Fighting Irish wrote: »

I'm on your side, there was a lot of sarcasm in my post

Ah Touche!!

did you use the main road? No, we came round by southern Yemen

Super-Rush

I could never understand why people like him are allowed back to their home town or neighbouring town after their release.

shotgun mike

super-rush wrote: »

I could never understand why people like him are allowed back to their home town or neighbouring town after their release.

people serve time, repay their 'debt to society' and so, thoretically, in this country at least, their slate is wiped clean. unless convicted after june 2001, in which case they have to sign a sex offenders register.

The Gish

My God there is a lot I would love to say about some of the posts above but I am sad to say that people cannot always speak their mind without feeling the wrath.
Just because it is the law dosent mean it is correct. Sometimes the law can be wrong, maybe not legally but maybe morally ???
Its amazing what people in high offie will decide when they are not affected by the crime.

Fighting Irish

The Gish wrote: »

My God there is a lot I would love to say about some of the posts above but I am sad to say that people cannot always speak their mind without feeling the wrath.
Just because it is the law dosent mean it is correct. Sometimes the law can be wrong, maybe not legally but maybe morally ???
Its amazing what people in high offie will decide when they are not affected by the crime.

Do you wanna foot the bill to keep all these crims locked up for life?

homerhop

I am a firm follower of the long drop short rope for his ilk but sadly the bleeding hearts and tree huggers have put an end to it in this country.

testicle

homerhop wrote: »

I am a firm follower of the long drop short rope for his ilk but sadly the bleeding hearts and tree huggers have put an end to it in this country.

You mean the EU have? It's a condition of membership.

pure johnage

shotgun mike wrote: »

get over it.

Get over it? tell that to his family and the family of his victims.He committed sick sick crimes and should not ever be let out.

I hate to think how someone mite decide to take the law into his own hands with a few pints in thier system and yet another life could potentialy be ruined by this p.r.i.c.k.

let him rot where he is.

homerhop

testicle wrote: »

You mean the EU have? It's a condition of membership.

More is the pity, perhaps we should suggest bringing it back and see what fellow eu member state kicks up the most fuss, stick him on a plane and let them deal with him

ShayK1

Warning number 1.

This is not the place to discuss bringing back the Death Penalty.
Stay on topic or this Thread goes in the bin.

ShayK1
Carlow Mod

The Gish

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Do you wanna foot the bill to keep all these crims locked up for life?

Maybe this can be moved to a new thread if it is off topic ??

but to reply to the question. I AM paying for it. With my taxes. I am paying to keep the community safe and my children protected. Is that not enough? Or does the government want blood too? Oh wait they have got it !!
As for keeping people out of pubs and clubs. That can happen. You do need a valid reason to stop someone from entering a place of business and maybe, just maybe the fact that a person entering the club or pub may cause friction an/or trouble in place is reason enough???

shotgun mike

ShayK1 wrote: »

Warning number 1.

This is not the place to discuss bringing back the Death Penalty.
Stay on topic or this Thread goes in the bin.

ShayK1
Carlow Mod

God forbid that a conversation actually flows, and people discuss what they want to discuss. Obviously while discussing Larry Murphy, his original sentence will come up, and people have opinions on what sentence that should be, or should be free to suggest another one - and if so, what obstacles could be in the way to that sentence.

Its been mentioned previously on this tread, but there is a shocking abuse of mod powers in this forum imo. Mods seem to be in a constant defensive, or confrontational, mode. Its not the way to run a forum. imo. I've read the charter, and like everything else, its open to intrepretation. Just because a mod doesn't like where a conversation goes, doesn't mean he has to start handing out warnings like snuff at a wake.

Maximilian

shotgun mike wrote: »

God forbid that a conversation actually flows, and people discuss what they want to discuss. Obviously while discussing Larry Murphy, his original sentence will come up, and people have opinions on what sentence that should be, or should be free to suggest another one - and if so, what obstacles could be in the way to that sentence.

Its been mentioned previously on this tread, but there is a shocking abuse of mod powers in this forum imo. Mods seem to be in a constant defensive, or confrontational, mode. Its not the way to run a forum. imo. I've read the charter, and like everything else, its open to intrepretation. Just because a mod doesn't like where a conversation goes, doesn't mean he has to start handing out warnings like snuff at a wake.

You really couldn't be more wrong. Discussions like these have a strong tendency to descend into libelfests. When this thread was initially locked & referred to the legal moderators for their opinion, the recommendation was to shut it down. The mods of this forum argued to keep it open on the promise to monitor it closely, so people could have their say.

To my mind, you owe them an apology (but nobody ever admits they're wrong on the internet)

shotgun mike

Maximilian wrote: »

You really couldn't be more wrong. Discussions like these have a strong tendency to descend into libelfests. When this thread was initially locked & referred to the legal moderators for their opinion, the recommendation was to shut it down. The mods of this forum argued to keep it open on the promise to monitor it closely, so people could have their say.

To my mind, you owe them an apology (but nobody ever admits they're wrong on the internet)

if a mod saying he is 'still alive and kicking' and issueing a warning saying someone is 'treading on thin ice' simply because someone issued an explaination why he didn't post a comment earlier (banned for calling mods Nazis I believe) - that to me is defensive and confrontational.

From what I know about libel law, and I have studied it, it would be very, very hard, nigh on impossibleto libel someone by expressing an opinion on what punishment should have been meted out, and why it is not possible to do so, under current eu and irish law.

I'd happily apologise, but i was under the impression that a mod should facilitate conversation, not both stymie it and steer it.

Maximilian

shotgun mike wrote: »

if a mod saying he is 'still alive and kicking' and issueing a warning saying someone is 'treading on thin ice' simply because someone issued an explaination why he didn't post a comment earlier (banned for calling mods Nazis I believe) - that to me is defensive and confrontational.

An issue with a particular user - nothing to do with you whatsoever. Why bother?

shotgun mike wrote: »

From what I know about libel law, and I have studied it, it would be very, very hard, nigh on impossibleto libel someone by expressing an opinion on what punishment should have been meted out, and why it is not possible to do so, under current eu and irish law.

Who said we had a problem with that kind of discussion?

shotgun mike wrote: »

I'd happily apologise, but i was under the impression that a mod should facilitate conversation, not both stymie it and steer it.

I doubt it to be honest. As for the rest, I refer you to my earlier post. It is due to the mods of this forum that this thread is still open. You're just more interested in having a go at the mods though.

Super-Rush

shotgun mike wrote: »

God forbid that a conversation actually flows, and people discuss what they want to discuss. Obviously while discussing Larry Murphy, his original sentence will come up, and people have opinions on what sentence that should be, or should be free to suggest another one - and if so, what obstacles could be in the way to that sentence.

Its been mentioned previously on this tread, but there is a shocking abuse of mod powers in this forum imo. Mods seem to be in a constant defensive, or confrontational, mode. Its not the way to run a forum. imo. I've read the charter, and like everything else, its open to intrepretation. Just because a mod doesn't like where a conversation goes, doesn't mean he has to start handing out warnings like snuff at a wake.

Where has it been mentioned? I can't see it.

If you have a problem with a moderator(s) then address it via the proper channels, not on this thread.

shotgun mike wrote: »

if a mod saying he is 'still alive and kicking' and issueing a warning saying someone is 'treading on thin ice' simply because someone issued an explaination why he didn't post a comment earlier (banned for calling mods Nazis I believe) - that to me is defensive and confrontational.

I'd happily apologise, but i was under the impression that a mod should facilitate conversation, not both stymie it and steer it.

What is said between a mod and a poster is between the mod and the poster only

Warning Number 2

Read post number 3 and post number 28 before posting in this thread.

If anyone has a problem with the guidelines set out in these posts then maybe this is not the thread for you. There are 6 mods assigned to this forum and all are available to take pm's if people have any further issues.

Failure to adhere to these warnings will result in a ban.

homerhop

Well since i seem to have stirred up a hornets nest here, I would like to state that my opinion expressed was just a personal one. It is no diferent than those of posters who suggest that the shoud be locked up for life or should be banned from every establishment, they are all personal views which is what posting on a form are about.
As for my reply to testicle, there was a wink face posted which i do believe while posting on other forums means not to be taken literally.

Fighting Irish

pure johnage wrote: »

Get over it? tell that to his family and the family of his victims.He committed sick sick crimes and should not ever be let out.

I hate to think how someone mite decide to take the law into his own hands with a few pints in thier system and yet another life could potentialy be ruined by this p.r.i.c.k.

let him rot where he is.

I'm not defending larry murphy here, but it woudln't be his fault if someone killed him and got life for doing so

shotgun mike wrote: »

God forbid that a conversation actually flows, and people discuss what they want to discuss. Obviously while discussing Larry Murphy, his original sentence will come up, and people have opinions on what sentence that should be, or should be free to suggest another one - and if so, what obstacles could be in the way to that sentence.

Its been mentioned previously on this tread, but there is a shocking abuse of mod powers in this forum imo. Mods seem to be in a constant defensive, or confrontational, mode. Its not the way to run a forum. imo. I've read the charter, and like everything else, its open to intrepretation. Just because a mod doesn't like where a conversation goes, doesn't mean he has to start handing out warnings like snuff at a wake.

If only

shotgun mike

pure johnage wrote: »

Get over it? tell that to his family and the family of his victims.He committed sick sick crimes and should not ever be let out.

I hate to think how someone mite decide to take the law into his own hands with a few pints in thier system and yet another life could potentialy be ruined by this p.r.i.c.k.

let him rot where he is.

Why would i tell anyone closely involved in these horrible crimes to get over it? they have to deal with the pain and horror of what this man did in their own way.

I was telling all the people, who my opinion feel some compulsive need to project this public persona of outrage, who jump on a bandwagon and click 'become a fan' on a facebook page, or who simply just want other people to join them in one long collective tut, to get over it.

like it or not, a man has been sentenced, and served his time. all that a lot of people here are talking about is some mob rule, or a completely subjective legal system

foggy_lad

The Gish wrote: »

As for keeping people out of pubs and clubs. That can happen. You do need a valid reason to stop someone from entering a place of business and maybe, just maybe the fact that a person entering the club or pub may cause friction an/or trouble in place is reason enough???

surely if a publican feels that some persons presence is likely to lead to a breach of the paece or any other crime then they have an obligation to keep an orderly house by removing the person(s) or barring their entry??

The Gish

So who bans the mods for taking a thread off topic?????? Just asking now. This post dosent deserve a ban.

I do understand where the mods are coming from when it comes to ensuring that the boards are maintained at a high legal standing but I have looked at numerous posts on this thread that are off topic?????

Thats why I asked the mods in a previous post to move the conversation to another thread if need be !!

ShayK1

The Gish wrote: »

So who bans the mods for taking a thread off topic?????? Just asking now. This post dosent deserve a ban.

I do understand where the mods are coming from when it comes to ensuring that the boards are maintained at a high legal standing but I have looked at numerous posts on this thread that are off topic?????

Thats why I asked the mods in a previous post to move the conversation to another thread if need be !!

This is not the place for that discussion. Use the proper channels if you wish but leave those type of posts out of this thread.

This is my final warning. If there are anymore posts in this thread about the moderating of this thread or of this forum in general I will issue a ban. Use the proper channels. Either PM a mod or Cmod or take it to the feedback forum.

stick-dan

Lads, this thread is on course to be a bandwagon thread also like them groups on facebook (which i do detest). The fact as previously said is a man was sentenced for a crime, served his time whilst exhibiting good behavior, and subsequently was left out to society a free man earlier than his original sentence had planned. I have never got why people get the idea to post their grievances online like this over such serious matters. In the past I have contacted various authorities with regard to the safety of local swans being put in danger in our parks, I've have looked up and researched into various things people were concerned about such as a poster moving to carlow who had a certain medical condition and she needed to know if appropriate services were available in carlow. These things are not just done by me and im not praising myself, but the core posters of the forum exhibit these qualities and concern for their communities frequently, recent examples being BRILLIANT people offering their services in times of need to their communities, during the snow and floods.

People should run along the same train of thought this time with their concerns. Now i'm not familiar with authorities that you could contact with this particular set of concerns but shouldn't that be what people are doing now, instead of uselessly posting up their anger here in the hope to provoke an online vigilante group to assemble. It is not going to help your communities by posting angry thoughts online, get active and do something about it. It could be debated that some of the posts here are as useless as the groups on facebook because in fairness how many people do you expect to come on here and say "i think he didn't do anything wrong". We all know he is a hated figure of society as the man must know himself so there is no need for "i hope he dies", "he should be given the death penalty" responses.This thread has degraded and is now a thread where people are provoking an online argument between the posters and the moderators over a serious legal subject. Quit this online bickering and repay the moderators efforts to keep the thread open by displaying some factual constructive conversation on the "rumoured" movements of Larry Murphy.

sorry shay didn't mean to go off topic was writing it as you posted

The Gish

I think people do appreciate the work the mods do on the forum. Well I do anyway. I was the Irish moderator on an American chat room for years and I do understand that mods have conditions to abide by.
As for usless online chat ? I think some people are using the boards to voice their concerns and opinins, and no matter how wrong you or I think they are I do believe that it is a good thing that people are voicing their opinions here and NOT on the streets.
Like you, I realise that nothing will come form this chat ONLY the fact that people are getting it off their chest and surely that is a good thing.
The boards and chat rooms alike are a usefull tool in society but they can provoke conversation. Is that a bad thing?
He done the crime and he done the time. (Some of it anyway) Do I like that he got out early? No. What can I do about it? Nothing except tell everyone here that I am not happy. Do I feel good after getting it off of my chest? Bloody sure I do.

Sully

Mod Note:

Seems that the mod warnings are being ignored so lets make this post the absolute final warning.

This topic is a touchy one, yes. This topic could bring up lots of very interesting discussions, yes. But this forum is for discussion about Carlow. Not if the death penalty should be brought in because a Carlow man raped someone. Just because Carlow is connected does not mean it should be discussed. The topic itself is questionable but is going ahead under a little stricter supervision then normal (due to the nature of the topic). If someone has a problem with the moderation or a particular post breaching the charter - report the post. Talking about anything else bar the actual topic will see bans/infractions issued and probably thread closure. Why? Because it is bringing it off topic and disrupting what should be a proper discussion.

Carlow mods and CMods will issue warnings and notices here - which is what we are supposed to do. Thats not going off topic. Some individuals are indeed on thin ice based on previous comments/issues not related to anybody but those users.

So a simple re-cap:: Problems with a post or moderation - please contact myself or the other moderators and we can work to resolve the issue if possible. Ranting about it here will see you infracted/banned. Final Warning

So... back on topics. From this point on, bans will be issued.

stick-dan

Whilst on this topic,does anyone think that this man would actually venture into the location being discussed about banning him from? I know he is a convicted rapist, but he ain't stupid, he knows people are after his blood.

And besides all of this is questionable really considering the story has to be confirmed first.

testicle

The man was convicted and served his time. He now has a clean slate with the Criminal Justice system. He can live where he likes as far as I'm concerned.

This isn't the 1800s with witch hunts, lynch mobs, and generally people taking the law into their own hands.

homerhop

stick-dan wrote: »

Whilst on this topic,does anyone think that this man would actually venture into the location being discussed about banning him from?

Animal instinct...bolt for ground you are familiar with.

Sully

testicle wrote: »

The man was convicted and served his time. He now has a clean slate with the Criminal Justice system. He can live where he likes as far as I'm concerned.

This isn't the 1800s with witch hunts, lynch mobs, and generally people taking the law into their own hands.

For once, I agree with you on this one. He has been convicted, he was punished and now he should be allowed continue with his life. If people do not respect him, then they need not speak with him and can just ignore him.

He is fully entitled to live where he wants as long as he abides by the law. Its not going to be easy. Its not going to be easy on his victim or their family either, and I feel sorry for them. But you cant just expect him to leave where is home is.

stick-dan

testicle wrote: »

The man was convicted and served his time. He now has a clean slate with the Criminal Justice system. He can live where he likes as far as I'm concerned.

This isn't the 1800s with witch hunts, lynch mobs, and generally people taking the law into their own hands.

In an ideal world that would be the case but you still often hear that criminals are viciously attacked after their release.

The Gish

While I agree in part to a criminal being released after doing his time for a crime I also believe that where a sentence has been given out that sentence should be completed fully no matter what the person did while inside to earn early release.
God love the people who were the victims of any crime. Do they get any form of early release?
Whether the crime is murder or stealing a car. You do the crime you do the time. Fully I think.

As for this particular post heading I personally dont think that early release is warranted especially in this case because of the nature of the crime and the impact on the victims and indeed the community at large.

With regards to a criminal leaving prison and returning to soceity before the end of his/her sentence, I think that an order should be set whereby the criminal must not live or venture near any know area where his or her victims were living or working. At least this would erase any potential for meeting on the street.

Over the past 10 years I have spent many weeks searching the surrounding areas of Carlow and Kildare for missing persons and to see the impact on families due to a family member going missing is heart wrenching and must be seen to half understand. Imagine what impact there would be to meet a convicted sriminal on the street as you do your weekly shopping or are attending Mass on Sunday morning !!

ShayK1

The Gish wrote: »

While I agree in part to a criminal being released after doing his time for a crime I also believe that where a sentence has been given out that sentence should be completed fully no matter what the person did while inside to earn early release.
God love the people who were the victims of any crime. Do they get any form of early release?
Whether the crime is murder or stealing a car. You do the crime you do the time. Fully I think.

As for this particular post heading I personally dont think that early release is warranted especially in this case because of the nature of the crime and the impact on the victims and indeed the community at large.

I'd completely agree with that.

The Gish wrote: »

With regards to a criminal leaving prison and returning to soceity before the end of his/her sentence, I think that an order should be set whereby the criminal must not live or venture near any know area where his or her victims were living or working. At least this would erase any potential for meeting on the street.

Not in agreement on that one though. Once the full term of a sentence is served, I guess that person is free to live whereever they please.

stick-dan

I do not know how good behaviour can apply to a rapist, it absolutely escapes me because its a contradiction. In sentences as serious as those involving rape, murder, etc good behaviour should not apply, and LM should still be inside.

On the other hand i think someone who shoplifts or cant pay their mortgage, both relating to the fact that they have no money which is frequent in this environment, good baheviour should apply to these people. It's not by choice they perform these acts, its for survival, for their families. There should be different cases.