European Parliament to Investigate WHO & Swine Flu "Pandemic"

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European Parliament to investigate WHO & Swine Flu “Pandemic”

First of all could I just let the Mod’s know that I have read the guidelines for starting new topics on any swine-flu related issues for want of better words and I’m hoping this will be ok.

This thread is not intended to be a thread about any scientific aspect of either the H1NI virus or the vaccines available.

Some people believe that the virus is a natural mutation and the vaccine a logical weapon to counter it.

Some people believe that the virus is manmade and the vaccine/s a concerted effort by main stream Pharma companies to infect people with H1N1 and or profit financially from a manufactured health scare on a world-wide scale.

On the basis that the Swine flu "Pandemic" is a conspiracy by the Pharma companies to generate massive profits at the expense of people’s health, through mass vaccination regardless of where and how the virus originated, and not wanting to discuss any scientific aspect of either the virus or vaccine, I would like to start this thread.
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The Council of European member states will launch an inquiry sometime this January to ascertain the extent of Pharmaceutical company influence in the swine-flu outbreak, specifically its influence over the World Health Organisation. The Health committee of the European Union unanimously passed a resolution calling for an inquiry.

The parliament motion was introduced by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, former member of the German Bundestag and current chairman of the Health committee of PACE (Parliamentary assembly of the Council of Europe). Wodarg is a medical doctor and epidemiologist who reckons the swine flu “saga” to be “one of the greatest medical scandals of the century”.

The text of the resolution, states among others,

“In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards to alarm governments worldwide and make them squander tight health resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly expose millions of healthy people to the risk of an unknown amount of side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines. The "bird-flu"-campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu"-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health-budgets, but to the credibility and accountability of important international health-agencies.”[2]

The inquiry will look into the following issue, among others:

ØThat the WHO declared a “falsified” pandemic in June 2009 on the advice of its group of academic experts, SAGE, many of whose members have documented ties with the major Pharmaceutical companies including GlaxoSmsithKline,
Roche and Novartis, makers of the swine flu vaccine

In his official statement to the committee, Wodarg criticised the influence of the Pharmaceutical Industry on Scientists and officials of WHO, stating that it has led to the situation where "unnecessarily millions of healthy people are exposed to the risk of poorly tested vaccines" and that for a flu strain that is "vastly less harmful" than all previous "epidemics".

The inquiry is to be given “urgent” priority in the general assembly. Maybe now some of the many outstanding questions will be addressed and answered, it will be very interesting to see how this inquiry unfolds.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16667
http://www.wodarg.de/english/2948146.html

uprising

Great post, mods this is serious information and should not be suppressed here.

grenache

I've been waiting for something like this to happen, for some governmental agency or body to stick it to the pharmaceutical companies and WHO and start asking them some testing questions.

Great post!

humanji

I assume you saw this question coming a long way off, but is there anything in the mainstream media about it? I can only find info from anti-vaccine sites.

Also, wasn't the EP part of the group trying to force the vaccine on people? Why would they suddenly try and investigate it? Or would this just be a kind of show investigation, designed to make people think that their fears are being addressed?

drkpower

uprising wrote: »

Great post, mods this is serious information and should not be suppressed here.

Yes, lets not suppress it but perhaps all of you truth-seekers would like to verify it, yes? So, lets look at this 'serious information'.....:rolleyes:

Funnily enough, the 'Health Committee of the EU Parliament', which according to the OP, has supposedly unanimously passed this resolution does not exist. The Environment, Public Health and Food Safety Committee does exist but there is no reference to this suposed unanimous resolution on its website.

The European Parliament has no reference to this inquiry on its website.

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (which Dr Wodarg claims has already signed and supported his Motion) has no reference to this inquiry on its website.

There has been no reference to this supposed inquiry in any mainstream media that I am aware of.

The multitude of websites that have run this story have run the exact same text (as posted above) that they have clearly cut & pasted from one original source.

Looks like a hoax or at least a gross exageration by Dr Wodarg that all the anti-vax usual suspects have fallen for. So, truth-seekers, I presume you all want to find out the real truth behind this so-called 'inquiry'....? I await your deep investigations into the actual truth of this story.

Firewalkwithme

drkpower wrote: »

Funnily enough, the 'Health Committee of the EU Parliament', which according to the OP, has supposedly unanimously passed this resolution does not exist. The Environment, Public Health and Food Safety Committee does exist but there is no reference to this suposed unanimous resolution on its website.

There is a Sub-Committee on Health of the Social, Health and Family Affairs Committee which Wolfgang Wodarg chairs, you can find the link here:

Health Sub-Committee

I can't find any reference to a resolution calling for an inquiry on that site though but you could always contact Mr Wodarg if you are interested. His contact details are listed here:

Wolfgang Wodarg

Still, I have to wonder why this is being welcomed by the CT community since they are always so eager to discount anything that comes from a 'government' source.

uprising

drkpower wrote: »

Yes, lets not suppress it but perhaps all of you truth-seekers would like to verify it, yes? So, lets look at this 'serious information'.....:rolleyes:

Funnily enough, the 'Health Committee of the EU Parliament', which according to the OP, has supposedly unanimously passed this resolution does not exist. The Environment, Public Health and Food Safety Committee does exist but there is no reference to this suposed unanimous resolution on its website.

The European Parliament has no reference to this inquiry on its website.

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (which Dr Wodarg claims has already signed and supported his Motion) has no reference to this inquiry on its website.

There has been no reference to this supposed inquiry in any mainstream media that I am aware of.

The multitude of websites that have run this story have run the exact same text (as posted above) that they have clearly cut & pasted from one original source.

Looks like a hoax or at least a gross exageration by Dr Wodarg that all the anti-vax usual suspects have fallen for. So, truth-seekers, I presume you all want to find out the real truth behind this so-called 'inquiry'....? I await your deep investigations into the actual truth of this story.

Why are you so lazy?, you can't find it...... so it's a hoax?, maybe if you looked properly you'd find something, typical attitude, that's exactly why you havent a clue about what's going on around you, ignorance, denial and lazyness, always wanting it handed up on a plate for inspection.

EU to investigate AH1N1 "false pandemic" scandal caused by WHO.
http://www.bucharestherald.com/health/36-health/8657-eu-to-investigate-who-qfalse-pandemicq-scandal


"THIS "PANDEMIC" IS ONE OF THE GREATEST MEDICAL SCANDALS OF THE CENTURY"
http://www.wodarg.de/english/3013320.html
http://www.information.dk/219754 (original, translate!)



His own site (english)
http://www.wodarg.de/english/index.html

WHO advisors paid by H1N1 vaccine makers profiting on fear?(RT video)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=349_1259155101

H1N1 vaccinations under scrutiny (with Dr Damien Downing and HERE on Aljazera)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b0e_1258986592

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlqWFV098xw

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4fe_1257632088

bikeblues

wow ,

alot of us posted swine flu as a conspiracy ,

and Guess what !

IT IS !

drkpower

uprising wrote: »

Why are you so lazy?, you can't find it...... so it's a hoax?, maybe if you looked properly you'd find something, typical attitude, that's exactly why you havent a clue about what's going on around you, ignorance, denial and lazyness, always wanting it handed up on a plate for inspection.

Aside from the 'Bucharest Herald', (the other publications you cite are either Dr Wodarg's own site, dont deal with the issue or are, eh, suspect), no other mainstream media, and most unusually, no European Parliament websites have picked up on this story which, if true, is a pretty massive story. Dont you think that is unusual? Doesnt that give you pause for thought? Ypu like to question unusual occurences - isnt this unusual?

In any case, I actually would be delighted if the EP investigated this issue, so that the reality can be revealed. I presume you would be happy to abide by its findings?

uprising

drkpower wrote: »

Aside from the 'Bucharest Herald', (the other publications you cite are either Dr Wodarg's own site or other, eh, suspect sites), no other mainstream media, and most unusually, no European Parliament websites have picked up on this story which, if true, is a pretty massive story. Dont you think that is unusual? Doesnt that give you pause for thought? Ypu like to question unusual occurences - isnt this unusual?

In any case, I actually would be delighted if the EP investigated this issue, so that the reality can be revealed. I presume you would be happy to abide by its findings?

I would if it is fair and truthful, Not a whitewash like the hutton enquiry or like the U.S. govt case against blackwater killers last week.......because the prosecuter (US govt) overstepped the mark, the case was thrown out.....how convenient!, or the laugh that was the 9/11 report, I won't even go there. But there is a lot to come out, whether it does or not is a different matter, all avenues should be looked into, all motives sought.

Oh and take the time to study the links provided for you, don't be put off by the messanger, listen to the message and check the links to Dr Damien Downing who was interviewed on Aljazera, if he was interviewed

bonkey

uprising wrote: »

I would if it is fair and truthful, Not a whitewash

Before any such enquiry started, could you define what would be required for it to be fair and truthful?

I ask because I often get the impression from various things that it is the conclusions reached which make people decide if something was fair or not. "I agree with the result" == "it was fair", and "I don't agree with the result" == "corrupt whitewash".

Personally, I think the EU will carry out such an enquiry, even if they haven't carried one out yet.

On a parallel note, in teh Swiss papers, its been interesting to not the change in tune. Initially, the papers were absolutely scathing of how slowly the Swiss government and system in general were moving. Heads should roll, because approval of some drugs was taking so long, which meant that the vaccination rollout wouldn't be possible before the pandemic hit. Now that the (current) wave has peaked, the media are churning out articles about how the government moved too quickly, and as a result were reckless with taxpayer's money.

I would expect, that regardless of whether or not they did have a hand in overhyping things, the big pharma companies are going to come under pressure from some governments...if only so that the governments can try and divert some of the media's attention from them (and thus the public's).

drkpower

uprising wrote: »

I would if it is fair and truthful, Not a whitewash like the hutton enquiry or like the U.S. govt case against blackwater killers last week.......because the prosecuter (US govt) overstepped the mark, the case was thrown out.....how convenient!, or the laugh that was the 9/11 report, I won't even go there. But there is a lot to come out, whether it does or not is a different matter, all avenues should be looked into, all motives sought.

Oh and take the time to study the links provided for you, don't be put off by the messanger, listen to the message and check the links to Dr Damien Downing who was interviewed on Aljazera, if he was interviewed

Of course, you will decide what is 'fair and truthful', wont you....?! After any Inquiry may be held, if it finds in your favour, it was 'fair and truthful', if it fins against you, it was a 'whitewash'.....:rolleyes: How convenient.....:p

Ah yes, the comfort of the conspiracy position; you never have to actually put your position on the line, you just shift it (and the conspiracy) depending on the events....!!

But, in any case, it appears no such Inquiry is to be held unless you believe that a fairly ground-breaking decision by the European Parliament isnt beng reported by themselves or any other mainstream media (with the except, of course, of the Bucharest Herald). Dont you find that unusual though, uprising, that the EP wouldnt even make any press release/pit a notice on their website of their supposed unanimoius decison to hold this Inquiry? You migt go forth and find the truth on his particular quandry rather than believe the unconfirmed reporting of many fringe websites.

constance tench

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242147/The-false-pandemic-Drug-firms-cashed-scare-swine-flu-claims-Euro-health-chief.html

Undergod

constance tench wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242147/The-false-pandemic-Drug-firms-cashed-scare-swine-flu-claims-Euro-health-chief.html

While not what the OP was reporting, or what most of the CTs were claiming, that's kinda what I thought any swine-flu related CT would be.

But to be honest, that's what happens if you take medical advice from a pharmaceutical company.

uprising

Yes it seem's there is/was a conspiracy, here's a few more links, the "news" is a little behind us here, or they couldn't ignore it any longer when people start asking questions.

H1N1 Flu Is a False Pandemic, Health Expert Claims (FOX)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582749,00.html?mep

EU to probe pharma over “false pandemic” (Pharma Times)
http://www.pharmatimes.com/WorldNews/article.aspx?id=17147

Pandemic puts pharma under scrutiny (Pharm Tech)
http://blog.pharmtech.com/2010/01/07/pandemic-puts-pharma-under-scrutiny/

Probe into “false pandemic”

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) has passed a resolution that calls for an inquiry into the relationship between pharmaceutical companies and official agencies throughout the H1N1 outbreak.
Wolfgang Wodarg, chairman of the PACE Health Committee, claims that the WHO, in cooperation with some big pharma companies, redefined the term ‘pandemic’.
http://www.in-pharmatechnologist.com/On-your-radar/Globalisation/Zydus-begins-H1N1-trials

http://news.google.ie/news?sourceid=navclient&hl=en-GB&rlz=1T4GGLL_en-GBIE360IE360&q=Wolfgang%20Wodarg&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

thecommander

uprising wrote: »

Yes it seem's there is/was a conspiracy, here's a few more links, the "news" is a little behind us here, or they couldn't ignore it any longer when people start asking questions.

Thought it was about Mexicans being genetically targeted?

Eoghan_84

The following motion, which has received virtually press coverage, was submitted to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Strasbourg.

The sponsors from 11 European member countries represent a cross-section of political parties represented in the Council of Europe. To access the official document click below

TEXT OF MOTION (PDF)


Doc. 12110

18 December 2009

Faked Pandemics - a threat for health

Motion for a recommendation
presented by Mr Wodarg and others
This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it

In order to promote their patented drugs and vaccines against flu, pharmaceutical companies have influenced scientists and official agencies, responsible for public health standards, to alarm governments worldwide. They have made them squander tight health care resources for inefficient vaccine strategies and needlessly exposed millions of healthy people to the risk of unknown side-effects of insufficiently tested vaccines.
The "birds-flu“-campaign (2005/06) combined with the "swine-flu“-campaign seem to have caused a great deal of damage not only to some vaccinated patients and to public health budgets, but also to the credibility and accountability of important international health agencies. The definition of an alarming pandemic must not be under the influence of drug-sellers.
The member states of the Council of Europe should ask for immediate investigations on the consequences at national as well as European level.

Signed 1:

WODARG Wolfgang, Germany, SOC
ABURTO BASELGA Fátima, Spain, SOC
AYVA Lokman, Turkey, EPP/CD
CONDE BAJÉN Agustín, Spain, EPP/CD
CZINEGE Imre, Hungary, SOC
FLYNN Paul, United Kingdom, SOC
GROZDANOVA Dzhema, Bulgaria, EPP/CD
HANCOCK Michael, United Kingdom, ALDE
HUSS Jean, Luxembourg, SOC
MARQUET Bernard, Monaco, ALDE
McCAFFERTY Christine, United Kingdom, SOC
OHLSSON Carina, Sweden, SOC
ÜNAL Mustafa, Turkey, EPP/CD
VOLONTE' Luca, Italy, EPP/CD
1 EPP/CD: Group of the European People’s Party
SOC: Socialist Group
ALDE: Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
EDG: European Democratic Group
UEL: Group of the Unified European Left

NR: not registered in a group

TEXT OF MOTION (PDF)



http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16911

drkpower

Eoghan_84 wrote: »

The following motion, which has received virtually press coverage, was submitted to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, Strasbourg.
This motion has not been discussed in the Assembly and commits only the members who have signed it [/font]

What I have been unable to ascertain is what does this mean? Certain sites have suggested that a wholescale investigation is to be launched by the EU but the text you have pointed to suggests that it is far more limited in its effect than that. It seems that, at most, the consequences of this is that the possibility of an investigation will be debated by the EP in late January. If anyone has a more enlightened (and realistic) analysis, I would welcome it.

namloc1980

I think it's important to note that the PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe) is not the same as the European Parliament. They are completely different bodies. In fact PACE is not even a part of the EU. It is in the Council of Europe, which is a totally seperate organisation to the European Union.

This distinction should be made clear in the thread title as it is misleading.

uprising

Strasbourg, 12.01.2010 – “False pandemics: a threat to health” will be one of the major themes of the next plenary session of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), to be held in Strasbourg from 25 to 29 January. The PACE Social Affairs Committee has proposed the holding of an urgent debate on this subject. If the Assembly agrees when it adopts its agenda on the opening day, the debate is likely to be held on the morning of Thursday 28 January.

The committee will be holding a closed hearing on the same subject on Tuesday 26 January at 8.30 am, attended by representatives of the World Health Organisation (WHO), the European pharmaceutical industry and experts on the subject.

http://assembly.coe.int/ASP/NewsManager/EMB_NewsManagerView.asp?ID=5175&L=2

Closed hearing?, I smell a fukking "brush it under the carpet" coming on, a game of charades, what will be said that the general public should not be entitled to hear?, what is there to hide?, after all it was Joe public who got these great life saving toxins injected into them.
Will people be allowed sue for adverse reactions to a fukking experimental cocktail of sh1t that they were brainwashed into getting, that was not needed, that may cause all sorts of illness's in the future, once again the sheep have been led to a mock slaughter.


Dec. 22 (Bloomberg) -- At least 60 million Americans have received the swine flu vaccine
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aLU1SHriIVyI&pos=9

The new H1N1 virus, which has targeted children and younger adults, has so far resulted in fewer deaths than attributed to seasonal strains, which kills mostly the frail elderly.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-01-12/who-to-review-swine-flu-response-amid-false-pandemics-debate.html

Ohh seems it does kill less people than normal seasonal flu, but us people who claimed that a few months ago here were ridiculed.

It's a fukking joke, the hype, the bullsh1t, the scaremongering.


After this awful fiasco over swine flu, we should never believe the State scare machine again


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1242479/CHRISTOPHER-BOOKER-After-awful-fiasco-swine-flu-believe-State-scare-machine-again.html#ixzz0cSrAF56Q

humanji

And it wasn't that long ago that some users here were telling us that swine flu was going to wipe out humanity. Strange how things change.

uprising

humanji wrote: »

And it wasn't that long ago that some users here were telling us that swine flu was going to wipe out humanity. Strange how things change.

Who are these "some users"?, it certainly wasn't me, I was hoping to be infected to prove it was no worse than any other flu if you remember correctly, go check a few of the locked threads and see what's what.

Edit:
And I also stressed that "if" mandatory vaccinations were introduced I die before I'd allow anybody inject my children with this cocktail of crap.
Actually can the locked threads be reopened, since it was good medical advice urging others not to get the jab, the storm has passed, unlock the other threads.

Run_to_da_hills

uprising wrote: »

And I also stressed that "if" mandatory vaccinations were introduced I die before I'd allow anybody inject my children with this cocktail of crap.
Actually can the locked threads be reopened, since it was good medical advice urging others not to get the jab, the storm has passed, unlock the other threads.

+1 and threads in other forums on this topic that had some valid points.

humanji

uprising wrote: »

Who are these "some users"?, it certainly wasn't me, I was hoping to be infected to prove it was no worse than any other flu if you remember correctly, go check a few of the locked threads and see what's what.

Edit:
And I also stressed that "if" mandatory vaccinations were introduced I die before I'd allow anybody inject my children with this cocktail of crap.
Actually can the locked threads be reopened, since it was good medical advice urging others not to get the jab, the storm has passed, unlock the other threads.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you of anything. I meant there were users on this forum who kept changing what the conspiracy was at the blink of an eye. It's kind of funny to think of the progression.

There were quite a few users who claimed at first it was designed to kill the Mexicans and then they moved the goal posts to say it was designed to kill everyone and only a select few wouldn't die form it because they'd take a different vaccine that actually worked. Then it was the vaccine that was designed to kill everyone. Then the vaccine was to be forced on everyone. And now it's just a case of corporate greed.

Also, it wasn't good medical advice to urge people not to get the vaccine. And no, we won't be opening any of those threads as they give medical advice. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, you don't do that on this forum.

uprising

Some more links exposing what the conspiracy nuts were saying all along!
I hope "some users here" can finally accept they were scammed, and what's still not known is if the "vaccine", the untested vaccine will have any long term affects considering the sh1t that was put into this cocktail "to save us".
Some users here should take a lesson from the nuts here, we weren't wrong to question and examine motive.

Can I quote here from locked threads or will I be banned for that?, also this site was complicit in the whole scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQN1to3C2U

Swine flu caused madness
Well it seems we've all been suckered by the swine flu hysteria. Surprise, surprise!
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/swine-flu-caused-madness-14632727.html#ixzz0cULMmEcO

Mexican flu “largest medical scandal of 21st century” 13 Jan 2010
http://www.allaboutfeed.net/news/mexican-flu-%E2%80%9Clargest-medical-scandal-of-21st-century%E2%80%9D-4007.html

Netherlands tries to sell excess flu vaccine
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/01/netherlands_tries_to_sell_exce.php

And the fukking scaremongering continues
Health officials make renewed push on swine flu vaccine
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/health/2010/01/swine_flu_vaccine_and_third_wa.html

bonkey

humanji wrote: »

Also, it wasn't good medical advice to urge people not to get the vaccine. And no, we won't be opening any of those threads as they give medical advice. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad, you don't do that on this forum.

As you say...its not a question of whether or not its good or bad advice.

There's a boards-wide guideline about medical advice, and we will hold to that in this forum.

humanji

uprising wrote: »

Some more links exposing what the conspiracy nuts were saying all along!
I hope "some users here" can finally accept they were scammed, and what's still not known is if the "vaccine", the untested vaccine will have any long term affects considering the sh1t that was put into this cocktail "to save us".
Some users here should take a lesson from the nuts here, we weren't wrong to question and examine motive.

The vaccine has not been proven to be dangerous. The pharmacutical companies have not been proven to have been behind everything. The Swine Flu has not been proven to have been a hoax. Maybe you should think about that instead of jumping on a bandwagon?

Nobody ever said you were wrong to question and examine motives, but you're wrong to state things as fact simply because you feel they are. A lot of the conspiracies that appeared since the beginning of the outbreak have fallen to the wayside. Can you really be sure that the latest one won't do the same? You've no proof at all. You're just taking the word of someone you don't know. Why don't you question them and their motives?

uprising wrote: »

Can I quote here from locked threads or will I be banned for that?,

You can quote as long as it's not medical advice, not breaking the charter and keep this thread in mind.

uprising wrote: »

also this site was complicit in the whole scam.

You want to elaborate on that? Because it's a hell of a claim.

uprising wrote: »

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/gail-walker/swine-flu-caused-madness-14632727.html#ixzz0cULMmEcO

It's an opinion piece. Would you give it the same amount of creedence if it said the opposite of what you believe?

uprising wrote: »

http://www.allaboutfeed.net/news/mexican-flu-%E2%80%9Clargest-medical-scandal-of-21st-century%E2%80%9D-4007.html

An anti-pharmacutical website that's against pharmacuticals? Well I never.

uprising wrote: »

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/01/netherlands_tries_to_sell_exce.php

Not sure what that's supposed to prove, other than when you have too much of something, it's an idea to sell of surplus to those who want to buy it.

uprising wrote: »

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/health/2010/01/swine_flu_vaccine_and_third_wa.html

And that's pointing out that the flu hasn't fully gone away (which it hasn't) and that it could come back with a bang (which it could), so if you want to get the vaccine it's available.

Scaremongering would be saying things like the vaccine is untested, will kill you, that it's all a conspiracy against you. That sort of thing.

bonkey

uprising wrote: »

Can I quote here from locked threads or will I be banned for that?,

You can quote stuff if you like. If what you quote means your new posts violates the rules, you'll be sanctioned for it. If what you post doesn't break the rules, you're fine.

So, a quote from a locked thread about how someone thought the whole thing was a scam would probably be fine. A quote containing medical advice would not.

also this site was complicit in the whole scam.

From the charter:


Snide remarks and bitching will not be tolerated, nor will accusations thrown at other members of the Boards.ie community


Given that its unlikely you're suggesting that the hardware and software which form this site were complicit, it it hard to see how you're doing anything other than making accusations about other members of the community.

uprising

thecommander wrote: »

Thought it was about Mexicans being genetically targeted?

You quoted me, then wrote this, are you trying to imply that I ever said it was about mexicans being targeted, if you are can you please quote me where I said that.

I think theres a lot that has been said on this "hoax" and maybe we can backtrack and see who said what, who was fooled and who was not, the people who were claimed it was a hoax from the start were right, the "yes men" were the one's fooled, they were the one's with science on their side, now can they accept they were fooled.

bonkey

humanji wrote: »

You want to elaborate on that? Because it's a hell of a claim.

As per my previous post, I'd suggest that uprising not elaborate on that.

uprising

bonkey wrote: »

You can quote stuff if you like. If what you quote means your new posts violates the rules, you'll be sanctioned for it. If what you post doesn't break the rules, you're fine.

So, a quote from a locked thread about how someone thought the whole thing was a scam would probably be fine. A quote containing medical advice would not.


From the charter:


Snide remarks and bitching will not be tolerated, nor will accusations thrown at other members of the Boards.ie community


Given that its unlikely you're suggesting that the hardware and software which form this site were complicit, it it hard to see how you're doing anything other than making accusations about other members of the community.

Ok thanks for clearing that up concerning quotes, theres lots of things (not medical advice) that should be brought back from the dead.

I was suggesting that when anybody even hinted that this swine flu was a scam, it was ridiculed, laughed at, and locked, leaving no way for people to respond to accusations.

It wasn't a snide remark.

humanji

uprising wrote: »

I think theres a lot that has been said on this "hoax" and maybe we can backtrack and see who said what, who was fooled and who was not, the people who were claimed it was a hoax from the start were right, the "yes men" were the one's fooled, they were the one's with science on their side, now can they accept they were fooled.

Who was fooled? There was a swine flu. It did kill people. It was particularly dangerous against certain groups. And there were vaccines that worked against it. So what's been proven wrong?

uprising

humanji wrote: »

Who was fooled? There was a swine flu. It did kill people. It was particularly dangerous against certain groups. And there were vaccines that worked against it. So what's been proven wrong?

It was hyped up bollox, thats what's wrong, the normal seasonal flu is a bigger killer, I don't remember seeing such bollox every year for that.
Is your memory fading, do you not remember the hype?

Who was fooled?, anybody who got the cocktail of sh1te, they were fooled, the people who died from the vaccine they were fooled, the people that will develop other conditions from this vaccine they were fooled, don't ask for links that I can provide easily, just as easily as you can seek them.

This vaccine is and was a scam from the day they released the H1N1 virus, again don't ask me to provide links that you can find just as easily as me, what I've found here is everybody wanting proof and links, then when posters waste their time providing them they are ignored.

bonkey

uprising wrote: »

I was suggesting that when anybody even hinted that this swine flu was a scam, it was ridiculed, laughed at, and locked, leaving no way for people to respond to accusations.

Care to link to one of these threads? I'm willing to bet that no thread was locked because someone suggested that the whole affair was a scam.

It wasn't a snide remark.

I underlined the relevant bit.

Black Uhlan

uprising wrote: »

Who was fooled?, anybody who got the cocktail of sh1te, they were fooled, the people who died from the vaccine they were fooled, the people that will develop other conditions from this vaccine they were fooled, don't ask for links that I can provide easily, just as easily as you can seek them.

You hit the nail on the head here. Must be nice to have been right all along - maybe you have a clearer mind for not taking the vaccine:D

First climategate, then the sloppiest false-flag on Christmas day, now this hoax wonder whats next?...The pharma companies should be shut down and everyone involved from lowest scientist, compliant hacks hyping up this nonsense to government leaders should be locked up have waterboarding used on them - a good reason to keep open Guantanamo.

bikeblues

humanji wrote: »

And it wasn't that long ago that some users here were telling us that swine flu was going to wipe out humanity. Strange how things change.

whats strange is that you as a moderator should not be making statements intended to get a rise out of the forum that you mod - yet you do ?

bonkey

If you have a problem with a post, report it.

squod

humanji wrote: »

Also, it wasn't good medical advice to urge people not to get the vaccine.

This is big news, any links to back this stance up?

humanji

uprising wrote: »

It was hyped up bollox, thats what's wrong, the normal seasonal flu is a bigger killer, I don't remember seeing such bollox every year for that.
Is your memory fading, do you not remember the hype?

If memory serves, it was conspiracy theorists who originally hyped up the lethality of the flu. Then they hyped up the lethality of the vaccine to the point where governments had to come out and correct the misinformation.

You're completely ignoring the fact that the swine flu was incredibly deadly to those in the danger groups. More so than the standard flu. And also, it wasn't the governments who were hyping up the flu. It was the media, because it sold papers. The governments had no choice but to placate the easily swayed masses.

uprising wrote: »

Who was fooled?, anybody who got the cocktail of sh1te,

How so? You're just assuming it's bad for them with no proof. Can you tell me how many people would have died if they hadn't taken the vaccine? No, you can't because we don't know. They're just more assumptions.

uprising wrote: »

the people who died from the vaccine they were fooled,

How so? They died of unforseen reactions to the vaccine. Unforseen reactions happen with all vaccines. Should we stop all vaccines, no matter how well they are tested, just in case someone reacts poorly? And what about those who died from the flu? Were they not fooled by believing the hype around the so called deadly vaccine?

uprising wrote: »

the people that will develop other conditions from this vaccine they were fooled,

What conditions are they certain to develop? Are we seeing into the future now?

uprising wrote: »

This vaccine is and was a scam from the day they released the H1N1 virus, again don't ask me to provide links that you can find just as easily as me, what I've found here is everybody wanting proof and links, then when posters waste their time providing them they are ignored.

There has never been proof of what you claim on this site or any other. If there was we'd have no choice but to believe it. All that there has been is circumstantial evidence that can be taken a number of ways and wild baseless accusations.

bikeblues wrote: »

whats strange is that you as a moderator should not be making statements intended to get a rise out of the forum that you mod - yet you do ?

I stated a fact that many of the previous conspiracies have been conveniently forgotten about and new conspiracies have arisen. Am I wrong? It brings up an importan point that I already said: if these other conspiracies fell to the wayside, what makes people certain the newest one won't? Maybe it won't and the pharmacutical companies really are behind it all, but no one here knows this yet many assume it must be true.

humanji

squod wrote: »

This is big news, any links to back this stance up?

???

Unqualified and anonymous people on the internet giving out medical advice is not a good thing. Do you honestly think it is?

Black Uhlan

humanji wrote: »

They died of unforseen reactions to the vaccine. Unforseen reactions happen with all vaccines.

Exactly why the crime is greater: People dying before their time to line the pockets of criminals.

Unneccessary vaccinations leading to unneccesary deaths

humanji wrote: »

And also, it wasn't the governments who were hyping up the flu. It was the media, because it sold papers. The governments had no choice but to placate the easily swayed.

Not in Ireland at least. You will see from the link that year on year circulation for April when the hype was at its peak sales were down by 40,000 copies across the board. So it didn't sell newspapers. http://www.ilevel.ie/irish-newspaper-circulation-april-2009/newspaper-circulation

You make it sound like the people fearing for their own health were zombies banging at the gates of Dail Eireann looking for the antidote. The "easily swayed" imo are unfortunately some of those who died from the vaccine. The government did have a choice - that is if they were honest and truly representational of the citizens - TELL THE TRUTH.

humanji

Black Uhlan wrote: »

Exactly why the crime is greater: People dying before their time to line the pockets of criminals.

Unneccessary vaccinations leading to unneccesary deaths



Not in Ireland at least. You will see from the link that year on year circulation for April when the hype was at its peak sales were down by 40,000 copies across the board. So it didn't sell newspapers. http://www.ilevel.ie/irish-newspaper-circulation-april-2009/newspaper-circulation

You make it sound like the people fearing for their own health were zombies banging at the gates of Dail Eireann looking for the antidote. The "easily swayed" imo are unfortunately some of those who died from the vaccine. The government did have a choice - that is if they were honest and truly representational of the citizens - TELL THE TRUTH.

Firstly, who are the criminals and what crime did they commit? You're assuming pharmacutical companies did all this on purpose, but at the moment it's just your opinion. As I said before, it may turn out that you're right, but you've no way of knowing that right now. It's just an assumption of guilt, which isn't a good thing in a society.

Secondly, can you really be sure people died simply because of greed? Again, you're assuming that the pharmacutical companies had an agenda to defraud the world. And again, it may come out that it was true. But again, you're assuming guilt.

And considering people have reactions to vaccines of all types, is this really the fault of the pharmacutical companies that they don't test these vaccines against every single person on the planet in case someone has an adverse reaction? It'd be fantastic if they could, but it's completely impractical.

Thirdly, can you really claim that all those vaccines were unnecesary? The normal flu vaccine works every year for millions. Why would this vaccine be any different for those who were in danger?


Edit: Sorry, I replied while you were editing, so I missed the last part or your post:

Not in Ireland at least. You will see from the link that year on year circulation for April when the hype was at its peak sales were down by 40,000 copies across the board. So it didn't sell newspapers. http://www.ilevel.ie/irish-newspaper...er-circulation

Did you mean on average down 4000 and not 40,000? Sorry if I'm missing the obvious, but I don't see where the 40,000 is coming from. But I'm quite surprised at how poorly sales were doing, even during the other months. But surely you agree the media had a huge influence on people during the whole affair? You had some sources saying the vaccine was safe and others saying it was dangerous. It was a worldwide event that had the percieved possibility of killing millions. It was mana from heaven for the news business. It wasn't some boring story from somewhere else on the planet, it could affect anyone at any time. They would of been insane not to cash in on it.

You make it sound like the people fearing for their own health were zombies banging at the gates of Dail Eireann looking for the antidote. The "easily swayed" imo are unfortunately some of those who died from the vaccine. The government did have a choice - that is if they were honest and truly representational of the citizens - TELL THE TRUTH.

What should the government have done then? They have to sway with the will of the people because the people are the ones who put them there. If the people want vaccines then the government has to give them vaccines, otherwise their opinion polls go down. The government couldnt' be seen as doing nothing. If they did, you'd have half the populace complaining that they failed to act. They can't really win. They just have to go with the majority.

humanji

humanji wrote: »

Secondly, can you really be sure people died simply because of greed? Again, you're assuming that the pharmacutical companies had an agenda to defraud the world. And again, it may come out that it was true. But again, you're assuming guilt.

And considering people have reactions to vaccines of all types, is this really the fault of the pharmacutical companies that they don't test these vaccines against every single person on the planet in case someone has an adverse reaction? It'd be fantastic if they could, but it's completely impractical.

You know humanji, I don't think there's even been one case of someone dying from the vaccine at all, make this whole argument moot.

I remember when it was claimed that there were deaths of nurses in Sweden and it was only the start. Soon we'd all be dropping like flies.
What happened to that prediction I wonder?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

You know humanji, I don't think there's even been one case of someone dying from the vaccine at all, make this whole argument moot.

I don't think there's even been one case of someone being saved by vaccine at all, make this whole argument moot.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't think there's even been one case of someone being saved by vaccine at all, make this whole argument moot.

Besides the fact of the proven effectiveness of this vaccine and others?

So we agree that there's not a single case of a person dying from the vaccine?

RoboClam

Here's a table of reported deaths after vaccine administration.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58e1204a1.htm?s_cid=mm58e1204a1_x#tab2

Many had underlying diseases already and there is no pattern in their autopsy reports. Seems to me that there is no link between the vaccine and their deaths.

humanji

RoboClam wrote: »

Here's a table of reported deaths after vaccine administration.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58e1204a1.htm?s_cid=mm58e1204a1_x#tab2

Many had underlying diseases already and there is no pattern in their autopsy reports. Seems to me that there is no link between the vaccine and their deaths.

Although technically I'm siding with the vaccine being reasonably safe, it could also be said that if those who died after taking the vaccine hadn't taken it, they'd most likely still be alive. So that could be argued to be a big link.

My point is not so much as the vaccine being harmless, but rather that there will always be unforseen circumstances with any time of medicine. Pharmacutical companies shouldn't really be blamed for things they can't possibly do anything about (unless of course this conspiracy is true and they were behind it all).

Black Uhlan

King Mob wrote: »

Besides the fact of the proven effectiveness of this vaccine and others?

So we agree that there's not a single case of a person dying from the vaccine?

Here is people dying after getting the vaccine. Do you regret blindly following dishonest "experts"?

RoboClam

RoboClam wrote: »

Here's a table of reported deaths after vaccine administration.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm58e1204a1.htm?s_cid=mm58e1204a1_x#tab2

Many had underlying diseases already and there is no pattern in their autopsy reports. Seems to me that there is no link between the vaccine and their deaths.

Ah. It's possible that the vaccine aggravated the underlying conditions on some of these patients. It's possible that any immune reaction would have set it off.

That link also has another interesting chart.

According to it, there were 3,783 reports of adverse effects for the H1N1 vaccine. of which 204 where considered serious and 13 where fatal.
Where as the seasonal vaccine had an average of 4,672 reports of adverse effects of which 283 where serious and 13 deaths.

The seasonal vaccine is worse than the H1N1 vaccine and the swine flu is way worse than both.

I get the feeling though we won't be seeing any complainants about the over hyping of the dangers of vaccines.

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I don't think there's even been one case of someone being saved by vaccine at all, make this whole argument moot.

I don't believe there is any way to test someone who has been vaccinated, and to know that they would have died, had they not received the vaccine.

On the other hand, if someone dies after receiving the vaccine, it is possible (in some cases) to determine whether or not the vaccine was a factor. It is, however, impossible to say definitively that they would still be alive had they not taken the vaccine.

Consequently, the comparison you're suggesting is somewhat invalid.

Black Uhlan

Black Uhlan wrote: »

Here is people dying after getting the vaccine. Do you regret blindly following dishonest "experts"?

I'm not blindly following anyone.

And what about people who died for the swine after refusing to get the vaccine because they listened to all the scaremongering about them?
Do they regret blindly following dishonest "experts"?
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