whats "the ban"

pump

whats "the ban" cumming in?
is it an import ban on airsoft suff ??

Puding

there is a sticky thread about the new laws at the top of the forum you posted this in http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055771105

in a nut shell, you will not be able to buy/import any RIF (replica/realistic imitation firearm) from outside of the republic of ireland without a licence

Leftyflip

*Listens as every member of the Irish airsoft world headdesks simultaneously*

deco nate

Leftyflip wrote: »

*Listens as every member of the Irish airsoft world headdesks simultaneously*

lol:D

pump

so i couldnt buy a new aeg from the uk ? why would that b ?

thebillynator

because of the new far stricter importation laws:rolleyes::rolleyes:...................:rolleyes:

Leftyflip

pump wrote: »

so i couldnt buy a new aeg from the uk ? why would that b ?

You can't purchase an airsoft device from anywhere outside of Ireland due to the new legislation, how ever many Irish retailers will be able to source what you want. Eirsoft have their "Partner Products" range and other retailers often do special orders for customers.

Puding

pump wrote: »

so i couldnt buy a new aeg from the uk ? why would that b ?

that is correct, you would not be able to buy an AEG from the UK, the reason is simple airsoft became law by mistake when the law was changed a few years back to make anything sud 1 joule legal, letting people play airsoft was not there aim, the change in laws are control/regulation what ever you want to call them, meant to stop idiot importing RIFs

...but makes no sence as they can still buy them at any shop without issue, but that for another debate :rolleyes:

deco nate

jayus,hope the powers that be dont come on here,an see the mistake they made!(jokin)

pump

What a load of ****, I bought a t.m. sopmod from fire support in the uk, irish retailers wanted mad money for the same thing.
So what do the government think that will do/change if you can still buy in a irish shop? Am a bit lost on that bit ? a tax thing ?

Leftyflip

You bought said AEG, before said ban was implemented. Irish VAT is higher than VAT in the UK. Airsoft is also much bigger over there than it is here. To be honest I think that some people still see it as a taboo thing...

Puding

So what do the government think that will do/change if you can still buy in a irish shop? Am a bit lost on that bit ?

ding ding give that man a shot prize, join the club really, this debate has been had a lot over the last year or so since the restriction on importation was put out there

pump

so is the ban in ?

Puding

the bill has passed but at the moment it is not being enforced, the licensing system for retailers is not in place yet, a date of the 1/1/10 was given but iaa or doj have not given anything else yet so your guess is as good as anyone else at the moment

pump

now now puding b nice im new to the airsoft world, trying to find mt feet lol

pump

ow ok that is bloody mad, but at least now i know

Puding

pump wrote: »

now now puding b nice im new to the airsoft world, trying to find mt feet lol

sorry i was trying to complementing you in a fun way , your instant thought are the same as most people when there trying to understand the regulations, its difficult to see what the aim is and how that aim is accomplished with what is on the table

sorry if it came over wrong i was infact being playful as it where

pump

your grand puding sorry about that!

god its a mad law. so another question ....

why are people talking bad about e hobby asia on this ?

The Master

pump wrote: »

why are people talking bad about e hobby asia on this ?

Where are people doing this?

Puding

no idea about that one, i think there could be some crossed wires

ehobby asia where banned from posting on boards due to some unpaid bills it would seem :rolleyes: , but ehobby asia is one of the best retailers you can shop with from by experience, so i would not let this boards ban effect shopping with them

Where are people doing this?

i would say confusion being new regulation ban on importing and ban from posting on boards

Podge2k7

Can you still import parts?(mags,scopes,bbs etc)

Leftyflip

People were talking bad about Ehobby? Holy smokes Batman!
/Batman and Robin.
Are you sure it wasn't Ebaybanned?
I've never ever had a problem with Ehobby, top notch service and prices.

Podge: As far as we all know yes, its only AEG's and the likes you can't import.

Puding

Podge2k7 wrote: »

Can you still import parts?(mags,scopes,bbs etc)

yes you will still be able to import accessory's see the FAQ for what we know so far http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055771105

pump

was defo them, didnt take much notice. i used them once and stuff was here in 3 days was great.

so that other place uncompany.com what they like?

Puding

uncompany in a nut shell slow and normally the stock levels on the site are way off, but this is off topic for the thread, these questions are better off asked http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054978008&page=168

pump

ok lads thanks for the help

Spooky-Vinny

this is all oh so very confusing ='(
xXx

pump

what is confusing ?

Gatling

Nothing has changed for the moment regarding "personal imports" of airsoft aegs or accessories

there 's no need to panic airsoft hasnt stopped or been banned

Graham Darcy IAA Vice chair

Spooky-Vinny

i just kinda fear the loosing out on nice and unique guns if you know what i mean!
an some people say parts can be imported and some people say they cant =s
xXx

Puding

an some people say parts can be imported and some people say they cant

who is saying you will not be able to import parts?

Spooky-Vinny

just read it on other forums about this whole situation =s
so will parts be able to come through with no problems?
for example stocks, mags, dot sights, bodys, will they get through?
then theres inners, barrels, etc, will they get through?
if theyr all able to all come through will i be able to order in enough parts to build a AEG?
an if thats the case is it only whole fully assembled AEGs that arnt able tto get through?
xXx

Puding

external parts - stay the same as it is know, customs may take an interest as they do know with stock/optics and all that stuff normal there just looking to confirm there for airsoft

internal parts- no change

the only items that will be restricted will be things that look like firearms, so this will more than likely include grenade launchers and frames for things like pistols are areas that jump to mind, the exact definition of a RIF ( replica/realistic imitation firearm ) has not been release yet )

Spooky-Vinny

Puding wrote: »

the exact definition of a RIF ( replica/realistic imitation firearm ) has not been release yet )

thanks puding, i realy wana read this definition of the RIF when it comes up.

but if i cant import a full assembled AEG why can i still import all the parts where they all still look like the real thing. where a AEG can easily be identified as a AEG in customs as easy as parts that would go through.
xXx

Inari

@spooky-Vinny: Eirsoft have a partner products scheme that enables you to buy anything from Redwolf, EhobbyAsia and a good few others such as fire support after the ban has been introduced. There's a small percentage of commission, but you can email them for more information. Hobby Airsoft can order in anything from the Cybergun catalogue, and SEAirsoft are more than happy to fill out special orders...so your range is far from limited.

hitman_

Spooky-Vinny wrote: »

thanks puding, i realy wana read this definition of the RIF when it comes up.

but if i cant import a full assembled AEG why can i still import all the parts where they all still look like the real thing. where a AEG can easily be identified as a AEG in customs as easy as parts that would go through.
xXx

Because the government has decided to prohibit the PERSONAL importation of Realistic Imitation Firearms (RIF's) ... for the moment, to be implemented at some future date.
They only have to add "or parts thereof:" to close the possible half+half/parts loophole.
IMO If a Customs Officer forms an opinion that a part could possibly be used in a real firearm, they will take appropriate action.

AFAIK there will be nothing to stop one importing all the parts for an AEG or Pistol subject to the above, then reassembling it, even if that's possibly technically illegal also.
We just have to wait for the magic definition of an RIF and an implementation date for the prohibition.

Spooky-Vinny

@Inari & hitman_
thank you for your help.
i cant wait to read the definition of a RIF
xXx

pyrokasey

In fairness to the government, with banning personal imports they should keep control of the retailers, I'm already noticing little hikes in prices, this is going to kill the game here if its exacerbated. Whats to stop us going to the uk to buy n carry back? Its not that hard n for some equipment would still be cheaper than paying the full irish price.

Leftyflip

pyrokasey wrote: »

In fairness to the government, with banning personal imports they should keep control of the retailers, I'm already noticing little hikes in prices, this is going to kill the game here if its exacerbated. Whats to stop us going to the uk to buy n carry back? Its not that hard n for some equipment would still be cheaper than paying the full irish price.

UKARA and VCRA, that's what, unless you want a two tone AEG.
And it will be ultimately more expensive than buying Irish...

Witcher

pyrokasey wrote: »

In fairness to the government, with banning personal imports they should keep control of the retailers, I'm already noticing little hikes in prices, this is going to kill the game here if its exacerbated. Whats to stop us going to the uk to buy n carry back? Its not that hard n for some equipment would still be cheaper than paying the full irish price.

Have I missed something...? Are we commies now?:eek:

Retailers can charge what they like, dont like it..don't buy from them get it off someone else.

Gatling

retailers are business's they invested there own money or others in some cases.
prices will go up and down over the fiscal year as the cost of buying ,shipping and rents on warehouses and shops go up and down with rates of interest and so on ,
its not always about making mark ups to fill personal bank balances,
our retailers are not rip off merchants

and as pointed out you cant just purchase an aeg or gbb unless your registered with with a skirmish site in the uk read ukara vcra as already posted restricts you to two tone aegs or gbb ,
it would still be classed as personal imporation under irish law

Masada

Who's hiking up prices? I haven't seen any of that.,

deco nate

their are so many shops around now,if anything the prices are are goin down

cormac128

i dont think stores are putting up prices but im worried about their suppliers puting up prices

Puding

tbh not going to happen, wholesale prices are not going to be effect by the restriction on importing

thecornflake

The new law says you won't be able to import anything which resembles a firearm ie airsoft , without a licence.

Would this be the licence already out for firearms ?, or would there be a new one available for airsoft ?An airsoft specific licence it would allow control over who imports aeg's , and who buys them in irish retail stores. I thought this would be a beter idea as people still get to airsoft and control is implemented as only people with this new licence can purchase them ( ie. responsible people) ,

or is it that they give a monopoly to the stores and we must pay whatever prices they set or not play airsoft at all, thus numbers decline and airsoft dies out ( mostly) .

Captain Chaos

You can't licence airsoft replicas as their is no way to trace or track them and they are not firearms as they are under 1J and as they are essentially toys. The ''Licence'' refears to a retail licence to sell airsoft replicas.

Only licenced retailers can import and sell them.

Captain Chaos

thecornflake wrote: »

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or is it that they give a monopoly to the stores and we must pay whatever prices they set or not play airsoft at all, thus numbers decline and airsoft dies out ( mostly) .

Topic has been discussed at great length months ago and has been nullified. The retailers in this country know the situation and are in competition with each other, it would be silly for any one of them to start charging over the odds because they know they can because we have got to a stage where there is just enough for varied market variety. That and the fact most of them love the sport and don't want to see it die out as it is their livelyhood at stake.

thecornflake

Captain Chaos wrote: »

You can't licence airsoft replicas as their is no way to trace or track them and they are not firearms as they are under 1J and as they are essentially toys. The ''Licence'' refears to a retail licence to sell airsoft replicas.

Only licenced retailers can import and sell them.

I know that , but if you needed a licence (not the licence for a shop to sell them , i mean personal licence ) to buy an aeg from an irish shop , or online , then it would help control the sport as nobody approved for the licence should have an aeg and if they are caught with one , they are prosecuted. Thus everybody who is genuinely interested and responsible would have their licence and free to purchase aeg's , and those without one cant't purchase them form irish retailers or import. Just helps regulate the sport.

I know in the laws eyes they are viewed as toys , but the law is now changing , and the personal licence idea i thought seemed a bit beter.

Gatling

Licences would never work and to be honest requiring a licence would kill the sport ,
for instance if you go down the whole requirements ie firearms you need a licence, purchase orders then you need a gunsafe ,house alarm wired to a garda station and extra insuance premiums ,
now take the average player ,collector , and so on eg
i want to play airsoft once a month ohh i need garda vetting , licence ,gunsafe ,alarm system crap il go find another sport /hobby that too much hassle
younger players dad .mum i want an aeg for my birthday or xmas im very intrested in playing airsoft hmmmm and as above gunsafe garda vetting answer ok this airsoft must be very dangerous if you need to go through all that sorry son you can have a baseball bat instead,
Retailers arent stupid and most have a back round in airsoft here they dont just sell to any errrrrrrr bud does this look cool in meee trousers belt im a gangsta ,
airsofts are toys and yes we cant keep them out of everybody hands if somebody really wants one they will find a way regardless of requiring a licence,

thecornflake

Gatling wrote: »

Licences would never work and to be honest requiring a licence would kill the sport ,
for instance if you go down the whole requirements ie firearms you need a licence, purchase orders then you need a gunsafe ,house alarm wired to a garda station and extra insuance premiums ,
now take the average player ,collector , and so on eg
i want to play airsoft once a month ohh i need garda vetting , licence ,gunsafe ,alarm system crap il go find another sport /hobby that too much hassle
younger players dad .mum i want an aeg for my birthday or xmas im very intrested in playing airsoft hmmmm and as above gunsafe garda vetting answer ok this airsoft must be very dangerous if you need to go through all that sorry son you can have a baseball bat instead,
Retailers arent stupid and most have a back round in airsoft here they dont just sell to any errrrrrrr bud does this look cool in meee trousers belt im a gangsta ,
airsofts are toys and yes we cant keep them out of everybody hands if somebody really wants one they will find a way regardless of requiring a licence,

i see what you mean , good point , but it wouldn't count as a firearm , thus you would not require all the above.With this new law , all it is doing is changing how we buy them , and that'll do sweet f - all to regulate them.