Islam4uk to march in Wootten Bassett

junder

Islam4uk to march in Wootten Bassett

http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affa...-bassett-march



Islam4UK, a platform for the global front Al-Muhajiroun, would like to announce the launch of a momentous march that is scheduled to take place in the following weeks, details of which will be released shortly inshaa'allah (God willing).

The destination of this very special event is the small market town of Wootton Bassett, located 6 miles Southwest of Swindon, in northern Wiltshire; Wootton Bassett, is currently famous for its public mourning processions held in memory of British soldiers killed whilst on military service in Afghanistan; coffins containing the dismembered bodies of these soldiers are usually draped in union jack flags and driven through the town centre from RAF Lyneham, as a tribute to their ‘sacrifice'.

The proposed march by members of Islam4UK is however of a very different venture, held not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military, but rather the real war dead who have been shunned by the Western media and general public as they were and continue to be horrifically murdered in the name of Democracy and Freedom - the innocent Muslim men, women and children.

It is quite extraordinary, that with well over 100,000 Muslims killed in Afghanistan in the last 8 years that those military serviceman who have directly or indirectly contributed to their death are paraded as war heroes and moreover honoured for what is ultimately genocide.

We at Islam4UK find this totally unacceptable and as a result have decided to launch the ‘Wootton Bassett March' to highlight the real casualties of this brutal Crusade.

If you would like more information about the ‘Wootton Bassett March' or are Muslim and would like to take part in it please contact the following numbers:

General Enquiries: 07961 577 221



Media Enquiries: 07956 600 569

A deliberate attempt to stir up trouble or just a meaningful attempt at freedom of speech? My personnel opinion is this is a exercise in provocation, If it was just a anti war march why not have it in London why not take it to number 10 were the decisions are made, why pick the this town. I have actually met the group behind this site before, tunnel visiosn does not even begin to describe their beliefs. When ever you asked them a particular hard question like the one i asked them ie you have just said that is against the Koran to kill muslims and yet the very groups you have just expressed support for are blowing muslims up on a daily basis's with their suicide bombs, their response is to reply in Arabic allegedly quoting from the Koran, not speaking Arabic for i know they could have been telling me what they had for breakfast

aurelius79

junder wrote: »

A deliberate attempt to stir up trouble or just a meaningful attempt at freedom of speech?

Or maybe it is an attempt to inform the citizens of the UK of the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who have lost their lives in these recent invasions. I don't see how this demonstration would stir up trouble, unless of course the BNP/NF decided to show up.

super_furry

OK fair enough they should march to make a point, but why do it in such a provocative place? It's like an Orangeman march in a Catholic area, without the tradition behind it.

They're fully aware of the anger it will create and are in fact, counting on it.

The Saint

Shit stirring tbh. It is their democratic right to do so however. Quite ironic since, from that I can gather, they are opposed to democracy. :rolleyes:

junder

If its just a march to protest against the war, why have it in wooten basset, the very place were the bodies of soldiers are brought through. How is this going to go down with the rest of the UK if the march is allowed to go ahead, chances are it could provoke a backlash against muslims which is exactly what the group behind this parade is hoping to provokeso inorder to justify its own existance

junder

aurelius79 wrote: »

Or maybe it is an attempt to inform the citizens of the UK of the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians who have lost their lives in these recent invasions. I don't see how this demonstration would stir up trouble, unless of course the BNP/NF decided to show up.

Everytime a body of a British soldier dies his body is driven through wooten basset, each time crowds line route to pay their respects to the soldiers, these people are not BNP/NF people but your normal everyday people of the UK

Eliot Rosewater

Britain under Sharia Law. Hmm, perhaps we got a preview of what that would be like last night:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0102/breaking3.htm

Irish Times wrote:

A Somalian man has appeared in court on two charges of attempted murder after he allegedly tried to enter the home of a cartoonist who outraged many Muslims with his depiction of the Prophet Mohammed.

Kurt Westergaard (74), took refuge in a safe room in his Aarhus home after alerting police to an attempted break-in by the man who, police said, was carrying an axe and a knife.

Ill take free speech thank you.

aurelius79

super_furry wrote: »

OK fair enough they should march to make a point, but why do it in such a provocative place? It's like an Orangeman march in a Catholic area, without the tradition behind it.

They're fully aware of the anger it will create and are in fact, counting on it.

First, you can't compare the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan to the nonsense that goes on north of the border.

Second, yes they are aware of the anger it may cause. They are probably hoping that people will direct that anger towards the U.S. and British military/government. After all, it is the military who is directly responsible for these hundreds of thousands of deaths, not Muslims.

aurelius79

junder wrote: »

Everytime a body of a British soldier dies his body is driven through wooten basset, each time crowds line route to pay their respects to the soldiers, these people are not BNP/NF people but your normal everyday people of the UK

These people are also aware of the true cost of war. Perhaps they would embrace the opportunity to mourn the loss of so many innocent Muslim lives.

bmaxi

Nothing but rabble rousing. This is a very sensitive area for the British and no doubt this will be a bandwagon for the National Front.
I can just see the photos now, of cracked "innocent" marchers' heads, spread all over the Muslim world.
If you remember the result of the "Love Ulster" debacle a couple of years ago, multiply it one hundred fold.

junder

aurelius79 wrote: »

These people are also aware of the true cost of war. Perhaps they would embrace the opportunity to mourn the loss of so many innocent Muslim lives.

I really don't think the group behind this march gives a toss about Muslim lives.

junder

aurelius79 wrote: »

First, you can't compare the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan to the nonsense that goes on north of the border.

Second, yes they are aware of the anger it may cause. They are probably hoping that people will direct that anger towards the U.S. and British military/government. After all, it is the military who is directly responsible for these hundreds of thousands of deaths, not Muslims.

of course you can since it essence it comes down to the right to protest.

And is it just the American/ British Forces that have been responsible for the deaths of innocent people?

super_furry

aurelius79 wrote: »

First, you can't compare the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan to the nonsense that goes on north of the border.

I'm not, I'm comparing marches - one in England, one in Northern Ireland.

aurelius79 wrote: »

Second, yes they are aware of the anger it may cause. They are probably hoping that people will direct that anger towards the U.S. and British military/government. After all, it is the military who is directly responsible for these hundreds of thousands of deaths, not Muslims.

If you say so, I personally don't believe there's goals are loftier than "let's piss people off and maybe kick-off a riot". Regardless, if they want to get people to direct they're anger at governments, this march is about as wrong as you can get. The anger will be adressed at the marchers and muslims in general and will further entrench support for soldiers and the war.

pablomakaveli

It's clear that this is an attempt to stir up trouble. If they were really doing this to protest the war and raise awareness of lost civilian lives they would do it in London or somewhere more high profile. They've picked this particular location because they know it will upset people.

I hope there will be a peaceful counter demonstration but the best thing would be to ignore it and deprive them of the reaction they are looking for.

eamo127

How about a muslims for volleyball march?

junder

during the troubles both loyalists and republicans need the atrocites caused by the other to exist, you could say the there was a symbiotic relationship between the two, an alleged atrocity against one group would increase support and recruitment for the offended group, so each side needed to provoke the other to commit these atrocity's, in essence you have the same relationship between this miltant islamic group behind the protest parade and the likes of the BNP

cnocbui

Be tragic if they were all blown to smithereens by a IED while they were making their point.

FlutterinBantam

These guys are just shít stirring, nothing more, nothing less.

The fellow travellers of these people are very quiet when a suicide bomber kills 90 innocents in Pakistan.


Time people woke up to the fact that these people are extremely dangerous.

dlofnep

junder wrote: »

during the troubles both loyalists and republicans need the atrocites caused by the other to exist, you could say the there was a symbiotic relationship between the two, an alleged atrocity against one group would increase support and recruitment for the offended group, so each side needed to provoke the other to commit these atrocity's, in essence you have the same relationship between this miltant islamic group behind the protest parade and the likes of the BNP

Republicans were bonded together very tightly, not because of loyalist terrorism - but because of British terrorism by British state forces, and because of civil & cultural inequality which existed there. Don't pretend it was fueled as a reactionary cause to loyalism. It wasn't.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Time people woke up to the fact that these people are extremely dangerous.

Who are these people who are "extremely dangerous"? Muslims? Muslims who wish to highlight the mass murder of their fellow muslims? Or something else?

The location selection is obviously symbolic, and there is a political statement behind it. Providing that they are respectful and not violent, I don't see what the problem is. Unless someone has an issue with highlighting the needless loss of civilian deaths.

FlutterinBantam

Maybe they should concentrate their 'highlighting' in NW Pakistan where 90 innocent people were murdered yesterday.

Sand

The choice of location is deliberately provocative: by marching in a location *they* highlight for its honouring of military dead as a protest against what *they* portray as the murder of muslims, they are attempting to paint those dead as murderers by association.

This is about as logically sound as stating muslims are all terrorists by association. It is also a deliberate insult to the memories of those dead and their families. Some agendas will appreciate that.

Its also fairly disgusting idealogy - as noted, perhaps the biggest killers of people (muslim or otherwise, though this group seems only to mourn muslim casualties - killing Iraqi Christians is probably a good deed in their eyes) are the various fanatical strands of self-declared Islamic terrorist groups murdering anyone they view as an obstacle or simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. This group seems unwilling or idealogically unprepared to formulate any opposition to those murders.

As it is, theyre not much better than the Westboro Church group.

They have their right to free speech though, a right won and maintained by better people than they are - perhaps the best response is a big turnout with their backs turned on their march to show their contempt for their message and idealogy.

Bottle_of_Smoke

I guess they're doing it where they'll get the most attention. They'll be pretty much a sidenote in the press if they march on downing street.

Think its half provocation, half they feel the soldiers shouldn't be honored for participating in the war.

Like the Love Ulster parade in Dublin. I'm sure some, probably most took part out of genuine compassion for victims of republican violence, there was definitely an element of "its going to cause outrage and therefore lots of publicity if we imply the free state was responsible for the IRA"

junder

dlofnep wrote: »

Republicans were bonded together very tightly, not because of loyalist terrorism - but because of British terrorism by British state forces, and because of civil & cultural inequality which existed there. Don't pretend it was fueled as a reactionary cause to loyalism. It wasn't.




Who are these people who are "extremely dangerous"? Muslims? Muslims who wish to highlight the mass murder of their fellow muslims? Or something else?

The location selection is obviously symbolic, and there is a political statement behind it. Providing that they are respectful and not violent, I don't see what the problem is. Unless someone has an issue with highlighting the needless loss of civilian deaths.

Maybe in your world but in the world of people who actully lived through the troubles and were not blinded by all the ideological bull****, we saw it for what it really was.
As for the group behind this planned march they have no problem justifying the death of innocent infidels which to them is anybody who does not believe in Islam regardless of wether or not they are wearing a uniform, i hardly think their motivations are merely to highlight the death of innocent Muslims. Parhaps if the march was to highlight the deaths of all innocents regardless of religion we would be less suspicious of their intentions

junder

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I guess they're doing it where they'll get the most attention. They'll be pretty much a sidenote in the press if they march on downing street.

Think its half provocation, half they feel the soldiers shouldn't be celebrated for participating in the war.

Like the Love Ulster parade in Dublin. I'm sure some, probably most took part out of genuine compassion for victims of republican violence, there was definitely an element of "its going to cause outrage and therefore lots of publicity if we imply the free state was responsible for the IRA"

As somebody who will be going to afghan in the not to distant future i for one do not see the people turning out in Wooten basset as a 'celebration' of anything. People turn out to honor the fallen soldiers and to salute their sacrifice but certainly not to celebrate. I think they would only be celebrating if the soldiers in those coffins were coming home alive

Bottle_of_Smoke

junder wrote: »

As somebody who will be going to afghan in the not to distant future i for one do not see the people turning out in Wooten basset as a 'celebration' of anything. People turn out to honor the fallen soldiers and to salute their sacrifice but certainly not to celebrate. I think they would only be celebrating if the soldiers in those coffins were coming home alive

I actually meant that sense of the word celebrate when I posted that "they feel the soldiers shouldn't be celebrated" I didn't mean like celebrating a party. Honour would have been a better word.

junder

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I actually meant that sense of the word celebrate when I posted that "they feel the soldiers shouldn't be celebrated" I didn't mean like celebrating a party. Honour would have been a better word.

fair enough

Nodin

junder wrote: »

My personnel opinion is this is a exercise in provocation, .......

......completely unlike that lovely bunch of lads the English Defence League's marches, non of which seem to have merited a thread from your good self.

eamo127

dlofnep wrote: »

Providing that they are respectful and not violent, I don't see what the problem is. Unless someone has an issue with highlighting the needless loss of civilian deaths.

Respectful? Definitely no. Non violent - rarely. But they certainly support violent groups and give active support and comfort to islamic terror groups. Proof? its as plain as the nose on your face - only fools are codded by these terrorist supporting scumbags.

junder

Nodin wrote: »

......completely unlike that lovely bunch of lads the English Defence League's marches, non of which seem to have merited a thread from your good self.

Sorry i wasn't aware that in order to have an opinion on this march i must first find a smiler march by an opposing group and comment on that at as well, further more i was unaware that by failing to post comments on groups like the English defense league that it would be taken as support of said groups.
For the Record i have no time for the BNP/NF are any other far right group and should you show me any evidence of such groups planning to organize a march with the explicit aim of provoking people(say by marching through a muslim area) i will not hesitate in condemning them

Buffy the bitch

junder wrote: »

If its just a march to protest against the war, why have it in wooten basset, the very place were the bodies of soldiers are brought through. How is this going to go down with the rest of the UK if the march is allowed to go ahead, chances are it could provoke a backlash against muslims which is exactly what the group behind this parade is hoping to provokeso inorder to justify its own existance

Look I know your in the army but most in the UK probably don't give a **** about the soliders dying over there.

Have a good 2010

But they certainly support violent groups and give active support and comfort to islamic terror groups.

You never heard of one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

junder

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

Look I know your in the army but most in the UK probably don't give a **** about the soliders dying over there.

Have a good 2010



You never heard of one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

if that was the case then there would be no need for these islmaic group to march through Wooten basset since nobody would be going there to honor the troops and Wooten basset would just be another sleepy English town.
And thanks i intend to have a very good 2010

dlofnep

junder wrote: »

Maybe in your world but in the world of people who actully lived through the troubles and were not blinded by all the ideological bull****, we saw it for what it really was.

Nonsense.

Gerrymandering, state murder, collusion between loyalist terrorists and british security forces, internment, suppression of culture and civil inequality. All these do no equate to ideological bull**** and were the hard reality that nationalists had to face in an orange state. You can't sweep the above under the carpet as if it did not occur, and you cannot equate the nationalist's anger to purely a reactionary movement to loyalist actions. It was and is a movement for independence, that would be free from the ongoing nonsense that they had to live through.

Don't you dare downplay the struggle that nationalists had, and still do live through.

sceptre

So are you chaps going to talk about this march or revisit another one of those crap threads about the Northern Ireland kerfuffles?

The moderator strongly hints that it's going to be the first one and isn't too impressed with the tangential hjijacking.

Make it the first one, eh folks? Less idiocy, more constructive on-topic discussion.

/mod

FlutterinBantam

I doubt if the good people of Wooten Basset will tolerate these coat tail draggers besmirching the honour and dignity shown to their fallen troops.

Up to now these ceremonies were conducted with human sympathy and proper decorum

Despite freedom of speech and democracy etc, I'm sure the police have laws to ban such an obvious and distasteful charade, and deliberately provocotive event.

bmaxi

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Despite freedom of speech and democracy etc, I'm sure the police have laws to ban such an obvious and distasteful charade, and deliberately provocotive event.

I'm sure they do, I'm also sure that would play into the hands of these guys. "No freedom of speech for ....... ( enter sect, race, etc) ", "Police State" and all the usual c*ap. Better to set them a route and keep them to it.

eamo127

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

You never heard of one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

If your idea of a freedom fighter is blowing up a passenger plane in mid flight or car bombing a bunch of folks watching a volleyball match, then good for you.

Have a good 2010

mike65

Islam4uk would like nothing more than a crackdown on them by either the state or by the likes of the BNP, but what would be their wet dream senario? That the ordinary people turned on them as that would signal the start of a 'war of civilisations' in the UK. Thats what these fuppwits are angling for.

Manic Moran

First, you can't compare the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan to the nonsense that goes on north of the border.

Given that most of the killing of civilians in all three locations tended to be by one non-State ideological group against another non-State ideological group, I'm not sure that the differences are all that huge.

NTM

MysticalRain

Interesting stuff on their about page...

"Our aim is simple: Izhaar ud Deen (Domination of Al-Islam worldwide)."
http://www.islam4uk.com/about-us

They should kindly go fcuk themselves.

bmaxi

MysticalRain wrote: »

Interesting stuff on their about page...

"Our aim is simple: Izhaar ud Deen (Domination of Al-Islam worldwide)."
http://www.islam4uk.com/about-us

They should kindly go fcuk themselves.

To be fair, that was pretty much the aim of Christianity too.

pablomakaveli

bmaxi wrote: »

To be fair, that was pretty much the aim of Christianity too.

So what are you saying. That all christians are as bad as the guys in this organization?

Tbh i have'nt heard of any christian groups organizing provocative marches through muslim area recently.

anonymous_joe

bmaxi wrote: »

To be fair, that was pretty much the aim of Christianity too.

Christianity gave up on it though. And in fairness, both sides have been attempting to wipe each other out since Islam began.

JeanClaude

containing the dismembered bodies of these soldiers

Why put that in the statement?? just ****stirring, no need for it I.M.H.O. Just shows the mentality of these people.:rolleyes:

AlekSmart

"Our aim is simple: Izhaar ud Deen (Domination of Al-Islam worldwide)."
http://www.islam4uk.com/about-us

They should kindly go fcuk themselves.

Ah but...they have many goats.

To be fair, that was pretty much the aim of Christianity too.

Hmmmmm...but the Christians don`t have as many goats !

Can we be sure this stuff is`nt just some deluded teenager sitting in a damp flat in Banglatown...or could it be the CIA !!! (Do they have damp flat`s in Langley)

bmaxi

pablomakaveli wrote: »

So what are you saying. That all christians are as bad as the guys in this organization?

Tbh i have'nt heard of any christian groups organizing provocative marches through muslim area recently.

I'm saying that the aim of Christianity, from the time of St. Paul has been to convert the world to our way of thinking, so no difference there.
The fact there are "Christian" armies on Muslim soil, particularly near the Holy sites, is ongoing provocation to Muslims.
Christianity was spread by whatever means was expedient at the time. It's a pity there are no Incas or Aztecs or the like around to ask how they felt about the methods employed.
I'm not making excuses for these guys but I do remember a passage from the Bible which went along the lines of " cast the beam out of your own eye before you criticise your brother for the splinter in his"

wes

These guys are professional **** stirrers ala the EDL.

They are doing this to piss people off, and if there march is banned, they will claim to be victims and there is no free speech, and point to provocative marches organized by the EDL and there ilk outside Mosques.

The group is a really small one, and changed there name recently to there current one. Not too sure why they changed it, but I guess people got annoyed with there idiocy.

Incidentally the last time they tried to organize a march in London, they canceled it, as there were far too many counter protest groups going to show up.

What these guys want is attention. The worst thing that could happen to them, is if people just completely ignored them.

The Saint

It would appear that this group "describes itself as a “platform” for the radical group Al-Muhajiroun"

From their Wiki page it states:

Abu Hamza al-Masri created the Islamic Council of Britain to "implement sharia law in Britain," on 11 September 2002, the first anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks, primarily through funding from Al-Muhajiroun. Masri celebrated the establishment of the ICB and the 9/11 attacks by holding a conference in Finsbury Park mosque in North London entitled "September the 11th 2001: A Towering Day in History." Bakri, who attended the conference, said, that attendees "look at September 11 like a battle, as a great achievement by the mujahideen against the evil superpower. I never praised September 11 after it happened but now I can see why they did it." Flyers distributed at the conference referred to the 9/11hijackers as the "Magnificent 19."

They are a radical bunch of fucknuts preteding to be somewhat moderate. They are going to protest to shitstir and little else I'd think. I think it's completely legitmate to seek to highlight the civilian casualties in Afghanistan but I'd doubt that this is the primary objective of the protest.

irish_bob

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

Look I know your in the army but most in the UK probably don't give a **** about the soliders dying over there.

Have a good 2010



You never heard of one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

trust me , al majhoudoun or whatever thier called , do not care about freedom , they have nothing but contempt for it

Flamed Diving

bmaxi wrote: »

I'm saying that the aim of Christianity, from the time of St. Paul has been to convert the world to our way of thinking, so no difference there.
The fact there are "Christian" armies on Muslim soil, particularly near the Holy sites, is ongoing provocation to Muslims.
Christianity was spread by whatever means was expedient at the time. It's a pity there are no Incas or Aztecs or the like around to ask how they felt about the methods employed.
I'm not making excuses for these guys but I do remember a passage from the Bible which went along the lines of " cast the beam out of your own eye before you criticise your brother for the splinter in his"

You have an over-simplistic way of thinking.

BlaasForRafa

bmaxi wrote: »

I'm saying that the aim of Christianity, from the time of St. Paul has been to convert the world to our way of thinking, so no difference there.
The fact there are "Christian" armies on Muslim soil, particularly near the Holy sites, is ongoing provocation to Muslims.
Christianity was spread by whatever means was expedient at the time. It's a pity there are no Incas or Aztecs or the like around to ask how they felt about the methods employed.
I'm not making excuses for these guys but I do remember a passage from the Bible which went along the lines of " cast the beam out of your own eye before you criticise your brother for the splinter in his"

You obviously have zero idea about how islam spread.

dan_d

It's totally true what the bible says.
To me, however, it comes down to one question.
Would you or me or the ordinary British people be allowed to organise and carry out such a march in peace in any of the Muslim countries associated with these deaths, for the fallen British soldiers?
My gut feeling says, I think not. When in Rome...
Just a thought.